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| Re: What Made Satan Disobey God? by maclatunji: 10:44pm On Apr 01, 2011 |
You are not funny anymore, if you think you do not have a conscience, too bad for you. By the way, George Foreman kept hitting his target, perhaps you watched the fight on a TV powered with coal. |
| Re: What Made Satan Disobey God? by usisky(m): 7:37pm On Apr 03, 2011 |
THE TRUTH This is the truth from GOD in which both the christians and the muslims continue to conjecture about. The so-called muslims, in spite of being in possession of an infallible scripture(Quran), they remain blind to it. All these because they failed to uphold it alone and have adopted traditional teachings that never had anything to do with the Quran, just like the people(jews and christians) before them. before i answer the question, i think it is necessary that we know what Led to our creation : Now, this is what truly happened and what led to our creation: Why Were We Created ? We are in this world because we committed a horrendous crime, and this life is our chance to redeem ourselves, denounce our crime, and rejoin God's kingdom. It all began a few billion years ago when "a feud arose in the Heavenly Society" (38:69). One of the high-ranking creatures, Satan, entertained supercilious thoughts that his God-given powers qualified him to be a god besides God. He thus challenged God's absolute authority. Not only was Satan's idea blasphemous, it was wrong - only God, and no one else, possesses the qualifications and ability to be a god. Consequent to Satan's blasphemy, a division occurred in the Heavenly Society, and all constituents of God's kingdom became classified into four categories: 1. Angels: Creatures who upheld God's absolute authority. 2. Animals: Creatures who rebelled but then accepted God's invitation to repent. 3. Jinns: Creatures who agreed with Satan; that he is capable of being a "god." 4. Humans: Creatures who did not make up their minds; they failed to make a firm stand with God's absolute authority. The Most Merciful The angels expected God to banish the creatures who did not uphold His absolute authority (2:30). But God is Most Merciful; He decided to give us a chance to denounce our mistake, and informed the angels that He knew what they did not know (2:30). God knew that some creatures deserved a chance to be redeemed. If you claim the ability to fly a plane, the best way to test your claim is to give you a plane and ask you to fly it. This is precisely what God decided to do in response to Satan's claim. God created seven vast universes, then informed the angels that He was appointing Satan as a god on the tiny mote called "Earth" (2:30). The Quranic accounts related to appointing Satan as a temporary "god" (36:60) confirm the previous scripture. You ,Lucifer, said in your heart,"I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High." ISAIAH 14 : 13-14 The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. 6And he said to him, "I will give you all their authority and splendor, for it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. 7So if you worship me, it will all be yours."Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.'" Matthew 4:8-10 and Luke 4: 5-8 God's plan called for creating death (67:1-2), then bringing humans and jinns into this world. Thus, they start over without any biases, and exercise full freedom to uphold God's absolute authority or Satan's polytheistic theory. To make this crucial decision,every human being receives a message from God advocating His absolute authority, as well as a message from Satan pushing his polytheistic principles. To give us a headstart, the Most merciful gathered all the human beings before Him, prior to sending us to this world, and we bore witness that He alone is our Lord and Master (7:172). Thus, upholding God's absolute authority is a natural instinct that is an integral part of every human being. After putting the rebels to death,the souls of humans and jinns were placed in a special depository. God then created the appropriate bodies to house the souls of jinns and humans during the test period. The first jinn body was made from fire,and Satan was assigned to that body (15:27). The first human body was created from earthly material, clay (15:26), and God assigned the first human soul to that body. The divine plan called for the angels to serve the humans on earth - guard them, drive the wind and rain for them, distribute provisions, etc. This fact is stated in the Quran allegorically: "Your Lord said to the angels, `Fall prostrate before Adam.'" Satan of course refused to have anything to do with serving the human race (2:34, 7:11, 17:61, 18:50, 20:116). While Adam's body remained on earth, the real person, the soul, was admitted into Heaven in the outermost universe. God gave Adam certain commandments, represented by the forbidden tree, and Satan was appointed as Adam's companion to deliver to Adam his satanic message. The rest is history. Every time a human being is born, a human person is assigned to the new baby from the depository of souls. God assigns the souls in accordance with His knowledge (28:68). Every soul deserves to be assigned to a certain body, and live under certain circumstances. God alone knows which souls are good and which souls are evil. Our children are assigned to our homes in accordance with God's plan. An independent jinn soul is also assigned to the new human being to represent Satan's point of view. While the physical body of any jinn is reproduced from the parent jinns, the jinn soul is that of an independent individual. Jinns are descendants of Satan (7:27, 18:50). The assigned jinn remains with the human being from birth to death, and serves as the main witness on the Day of Judgment (50:23). A continuous debate takes place in our heads between the human soul and the jinn soul until both of them are convinced of one point of view. The Original Sin Contrary to common belief, the "Original Sin" was not Adam's violation of God's law when he ate from the forbidden tree. The original sin was our failure to uphold God's absolute authority during the Great Feud. If the human person convinces his or her jinn companion to denounce that original sin, and uphold God's absolute authority, both creatures are redeemed to God's eternal kingdom on the Day of Judgment. But if the jinn companion convinces the human being to uphold Satan's idolatrous views, then both creatures are exiled forever from God's kingdom. To promote his point of view, Satan and his representatives advocate the idolization of such powerless creatures as Muhammad, Jesus, Mary, and the saints. Since we are here due to our polytheistic tendencies, most of us are easy prey for Satan. Satan's incompetence as a "god" has already been proven by the prevalence of chaos, disease, accidents, misery, and war throughout his dominion (36:66). On the other hand, the human beings who denounce Satan, uphold God's absolute authority, and refrain from idolizing powerless and dead creatures like Jesus and Muhammad, are restored to God's protection - they enjoy a perfect life here in this world and forever. Because our life in this world is a series of tests designed to expose our polytheistic ideas, idol worship is the only unforgivable offense (4:48, 116). The world is divinely designed to manifest our decision to uphold either God's absolute authority, or Satan's idolatrous views (67:1-2). The day and the night change constantly to test our willingness to uphold God's laws by observing the Dawn Prayer and fasting during the hottest and longest days. Only those who are totally certain about God's absolute authority are redeemed (26:89). [url=http://Satan: Fallen Angel] Satan: Fallen Angel[/url] In God's kingdom, certain creatures are necessarily given the powers needed to perform their duties. Satan believed that his God-given powers qualified him to function as an independent god. As evidenced by the prevalence of misery, disease, accidents, and war in his dominion, we now know that Satan is incompetent. The Quran clearly states that Satan was an angel, by virtue of the immense powers and rank bestowed upon him. This is why he is addressed as an angel (2:34, 7:11, 15:29, 17:61, 18:50, 20:116, 38:71) prior to his fall. By definition, a jinn is a fallen angel (18:50). Satan's rebellion teaches us that the angels were created with minds of their own, and absolute freedom of choice (2:34). This is the truth from GOD that peoeple continue to conjecture about. GOD is all wise and all knowing. HE does not want to create robots, and thats why HE gave us freedom of choice. GOD Knew that SATAN would develop such a superlicilious thought, so GOD let that happen so HE can set-up SATAN as an EXAMPLE to all who decide to abuse their freedom of choice and GOD given powers(as in the case of SATAN). People fail to understand that the test we are facing today is no different from that given to our Fathers, Adam and Eve. The test for them was, that they should not feed from a certain tree. The truth is, it was not about the tree in itself, as it was just a plain, ordinary tree with no special benefits whatsoever. But, it was a test of SUBMISSION to GODs absolute authority. They failed the test by listening to SATAN when he deceived them to feed from the tree thereof, as they were told it has special benefits. Consequently, that constitutes disobedience to GODs absolute authority, and even worse, they commit to idolatry(they beleived SATAN istead of GOD). It is unfortunate that virtually all of mankind has fallen victims of SATANs schemes. GOD sends messengers and scriptures so we may know HIM better and devote our lives to worshipping HIM ALONE. But the humans thought it better to idolize these powerless creatures(jesus, muhammad, mary etc) istead of following the messages they brought. It is not about you been a muslim ,christian, jew, Hindu, Seekh, Bahai,Bhudist and even atheist. But is is about denouncing idolatry and worshipping GOD alone without associating any other entity besides HIM before your interim expires in this life. Minimum Requirements For Salvation [2:62] Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the converts; anyone who (1) believes in GOD, and (2) believes in the Last Day, and (3) leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve. [5:69] Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the converts, and the Christians; any of them who (1) believe in GOD and (2) believe in the Last Day, and (3) lead a righteous life, have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve. It is our EGO that stands beteween us and the truth in this life. To solve the mysteries of life, you must kill your EGO. GOD has sent to us a message from outer space for over 1400 years ago now, but we disregarded it. A message mathematically composed in such a manner far beyond human capabilities. The only message that can withstand scientific scrutiny. It mentions the most critical scientific discoveries even before there was science in the form it is today. From the initial state of the universe before its creation(Big bang theory), time dilation phenomenon, Stages fetus development, invisible barrier between sweet and salty water and countless of other evidences. you just go on and verify the evidence from GOD. Learn the truth today: visit the following websites: www.miracleof19.com www.submission.org www.quranmiracle.com www.masjidtucson.org GOD help us ALL!!!!!!!! |
| Re: What Made Satan Disobey God? by maclatunji: 1:10pm On Apr 04, 2011 |
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| Re: What Made Satan Disobey God? by maclatunji: 1:17pm On Apr 04, 2011 |
@Usisky, your post is funny. Oga you are rolling with some very complex pseudo-ideologies and religion. Your teachers are from a obscure Jewish sect I am 100 per cent sure. What you have there is utter rubbish. |
| Re: What Made Satan Disobey God? by usisky(m): 2:57pm On Apr 04, 2011 |
^^^^^^^^^^ @maclatunji you said: "Dude you are seriously confused, God does not punish Mr. A for Mr. B's Sins okay. So the concept of Original sin is dead-on-arrival. However, I must commend your effort at research. Abeg do that research very well again and get better informed." Thanks for your kind words. Lets analyze who is confused or not. This is what i mentioned about the original sin: Contrary to common belief, the "Original Sin" was not Adam's violation of God's law when he ate from the forbidden tree. The original sin was our failure to uphold God's absolute authority during the Great Feud. As you can see, you fail to read my post carefully, while you draw a false conclusion from it. We're all responsible for the original sin. therefore no one bares another person's burden. So who appears to be confused? you!!! you Said: "Animals do not come into the equation at all. Those ones are free to do their thing, okay! It is we the 2 heavy ones (Man and Jinn) that are accountable for our actions." This is what i mentioned regarding animals: Animals: Creatures who rebelled but then accepted God's invitation to repent. The animals initially rebelled, but once granted the opportunity to repent and reform, they accepted it. therefore they are automatically redeemed. Once again, i wonder who got confused? you or me? You!!! maclatunji: It is utter rubbish, yet you don't have a better answer. Jewish you say my friend? read the post again and tell me if it seem to come from a jew. I am a submitter(muslim in arabic) , and a true one for that matter. I uphold the Quran(infallible scripture) Alone. I worship GOD ALone, and do not associate creatures ,dead or Alive, Human or otherwise besides HIM. For if i ever did that, i would have failed the test and i fear that i may be condemned to eternal damnation. Compare that to the Fake muslims, those who uphold other teachings besides Quran, in spite of the quran condemning such(6:112, 6:114-116, 6:38, 45:6-7, 7:185, 31:6, 77:50). These teachings, they the so-called muslims have adopted is what has lead them astray, and have made them to become the most intolerant people on earth(Barbarians). Even worse, it has lead them to the idolization of prophet muhammad against his will, just like the people(jew and christians) before them idolized their prophets. Little wonder why even the prophet will say to GOD on judgment day that his people abandoned the Quran(25:30). I am a true submitter(muslim in arabic) and value Humanity as preached in the infallible scriprute(Quran). verify the proof form GOD almighty: visit: www.quranmiracles.com www.miralceof19.com www.submission.org |
| Re: What Made Satan Disobey God? by maclatunji: 4:17pm On Apr 04, 2011 |
I never said you were talking about Adam in the context of original sin. Whether it is Adam (AS) or king kong you are talking about, original Sin as a concept is rubbish. Animals as a rule cannot rebel against God. In case you do not get my point, I am questioning the basic premise(s) of your submission. Therefore, I am rubbishing whatever you bring that is based on it. "Contrary to common belief, the "Original Sin" was not Adam's violation of God's law when he ate from the forbidden tree. The original sin was our failure to uphold God's absolute authority during the Great Feud." Rubbish! "Animals: Creatures who rebelled but then accepted God's invitation to repent. The animals initially rebelled, but once granted the opportunity to repent and reform, they accepted it. therefore they are automatically redeemed. Once again, i wonder who got confused? you or me? You!!!" Even more rubbish! Nobody/Nothing can feud with God. Man and Jinn may disobey him, but that is different from saying there was/is a feud somewhere. Even when Satan refused to bow to Adam, he did not dispute God's Sovereignty but felt he was better than Adam (AS). Animals and plants were created for the sustenance of man. Those we do not eat, help to balance the ecosystem thereby helping to make earth a liveable home for us, until the time for it to end comes. There is a lot of beautiful non-sense being peddled as knowledge out there but you should think with a clear-head sir. Answer this, if the devil according to you could "feud with God", why hasn't someone else done the same after him? I say the devil was the first to disobey God. After him there are billions still doing it. If something can happen once, it will happen again. History repeats itself. God has power over all his creatures and he has promised hell as a wretched home for those who reject his guidance and laws. Just as he has promised paradise for those who follow his guidance and way. Peaceout! |
| Re: What Made Satan Disobey God? by usisky(m): 7:13pm On Apr 04, 2011 |
maclatunji: pardon me MR. if the post wasn't clear enough to you. Please read the following, i have edited it for better understanding. www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-638805.0.html#msg8051489 |
| Re: What Made Satan Disobey God? by yommyuk: 1:02am On Apr 05, 2011 |
Christian theology has never definitively clarified and articulated a Christian doctrine of theodicy (an understanding of the origin, source, judgment of evil). The doctrines of satanology or diabology have been weak, ambiguous and inconsistent. However reading the bible, we do come accross satan various times and we have learnt to understand what/who it/he is. Satan is like a charmeleon. He appears in different ways. It is up to you to recognise him/it when it/he appears. The bible tells us that Satan is a spirit being I Cor. 2:11-12 No one can know a person's thoughts except that person's own spirit, and no one can know God's thoughts except God's own spirit. And we have recieved God's Spirit (not the world's spirit), so we know the wonderful things God has freely given us. God has not revealed all things to human beings. God's deep secrets cannot be understood by human wisdom. It is the power of God. That is why he is God. God is the only one who knows what made satan sin. However we know that Satan is damned. He is active and looking for THOSE who will share in his suffering. Therefore as a believer, your major concern is to recognise satan's objective which is to steal and destroy you, which will lead you joyfully to HELL. He is the spirit at work behind whatever you may wish to do that is contrary to the will of God. 1 John 3:8 states that "When people keep on sinning, it shows that they belong to the devil who has been sinning since the begining." Satan the source of sin. But we thank God , Christ came to destroy the works of the devil. ADVISE Don't let it/him enslave and dominate your thoughts. He is a liar. Satan has set the trap. pls don't get trapped. Recognize conflict of spiritual warfare with this spiritual enemy. Avoid idleness which makes your mind wander. Resist his schemes. Overcome the flesh and be in spirit. Affirm your identity in Christ. Confess that he that is in you is greater than he that is in the world. Christ is more than able to keep you save from the evil one. FRET NOT |
| Re: What Made Satan Disobey God? by Sweetnecta: 8:11pm On Apr 05, 2011 |
Usisky and the rashid kalifah concept; they are probably equal to nigerian chrislam. the #s 2 to 4 of why we were created above, from him or them, cant be supported by Quran or Hadith. this is from the late kalifah, different from what we find in Quran, and the Hadith of the messenger [as]. Are there any muslims among the jinns? yes there are. for example all the jinns created with 240,000 prophets [as] are made to be muslims. they are suppressed from being means of disobedience of God, the reasons islam take the prophets to be sinless. |
| Re: What Made Satan Disobey God? by Eskdale(m): 7:18pm On Feb 02, 2016 |
VPersiee:oga wat re you waiting for ? loose ur faith and damn in hell |
| Re: What Made Satan Disobey God? by Tejiriseth(m): 11:51pm On Jul 17, 2018 |
My broda, you never need that faith in the first place.. Just become a freethinker or an atheist and free yourself from religious bondage.! . . . . . VPersiee: |
| Re: What Made Satan Disobey God? by Tejiriseth(m): 11:55pm On Jul 17, 2018 |
typical brainwashed Idiot spotted. When you cant answer a question, you resort to threat.. Bleep you.! . . . . Eskdale: |
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