At10tion:
They are right!
Earth is just a reflection of heaven.
Although polluted with evil.

At10tion:
They are right!
Earth is just a reflection of heaven.
Although polluted with evil.

Kobojunkie:
Where do you get this from?

seyi360:

The Bible says there are mansions in heaven and the streets in heaven are made of gold. If that is true and I believe you have no doubt in you that it is, I put this question to you;

Are houses and streets not suggestive of a city settings?
Are streets not meant for driving cars , chariots and walking?
Are markets and schools not part of a city setting?

Heaven is a city like Lagos, Abuja and the likes
The difference is that over there, no night, no time, no sin, no corruption, everything is perfect.

lecturer50:
I have been reading accounts of people who died due to accidents,illness, etc.

When they reached heaven, they were told to come back to the earth that it was not yet their time to die.

Most of them are allowed to have a tour of heaven before coming back to the earth.

After coming back to the earth and being revived, they discribed heaven saying there are Universities, schools, markets, industries, companies,houses(with bedrooms, toilets, parlours, kitchens, etc), villages, towns, cities, countries,and continents in heaven.

There are also businesses and business centers in towns and cities of heaven where people engage in buying and selling as we do here on earth.

According to them, the only difference between heaven and earth is that in heaven there is no sorrow, illness, sadness, poverty, decay,hatred,evil and all things that are bad as experienced on this earth.

Instead there is immeasurable love,joy, happiness and peace in heaven, according to them.

Also in heaven, all buildings/structures are so beautiful and fine to the extent that nothing can be more beautiful than them.
Even in your wildest imagination, you cannot imagine anything more beautiful.

What do you have to say on this?

Uyi168:
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Hope there will be sports center, Bet9ja shops, bars and restaurants in Heaven too.?

lecturer50:


Places like sport centers, shops,bars and restaurants,stadium are there.

But places that are specifically designed to promote sins and immorality are not there.

Things like prostitutes brothels, Betting shops,cult groups are not there.

Such places are being replaced by places which promote righteousness, love,joy and happiness.

lecturer50:


Places like sport centers, shops,bars and restaurants,stadium, hotels are there.

But places that are specifically designed to promote sins and immorality are not there.

Things like prostitutes brothels, Betting shops,cult groups are not there.

Such places are being replaced by places which promote righteousness, love,joy and happiness.

oteneaaron:
As above, so below.

As below, so above.

The principle of correspondence - one of the great hermetic principles.

They are greater planes of existence, our lives here on earth are only a reflection of what happens in these other planes.

As simple as that.

LordReed:


Hotels in heaven? For what exactly?

BTW what is wrong with betting?

Kobojunkie:
So, because Jesus Christ mentioned that there are mansions and streets in Heaven, it is safe to assume or add that there are also markets, cars, companies etc as well?

Because cities exist on earth means cities in heaven mirror cities on earth? Since when did the earth become the standard for Heaven? I guess that will be my other question to you at this point.

lecturer50:


Places like sport centers, shops,bars and restaurants,stadium, hotels are there.

But places that are specifically designed to promote sins and immorality are not there.

Things like prostitutes brothels, Betting shops,cult groups are not there.

Such places are being replaced by places which promote righteousness, love,joy and happiness.

seyi360:


Meditate on the scriptures below, they should broaden your horizon and expand your parochial understanding of what heaven is about.

Revelation 21:14-27
[14]And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
[15]And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
[16]And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
[17]And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
[18]And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
[19]And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
[20]The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
[21]And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
[22]And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
[23]And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.
[24]And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
[25]And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
[26]And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
[27]And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

lecturer50:
I have been reading accounts of people who died due to accidents,illness, etc.

When they reached heaven, they were told to come back to the earth that it was not yet their time to die.

Most of them are allowed to have a tour of heaven before coming back to the earth.

After coming back to the earth and being revived, they discribed heaven saying there are Universities, schools, markets, industries, companies,houses(with bedrooms, toilets, parlours, kitchens, etc), villages, towns, cities, countries,and continents in heaven.

There are also businesses and business centers in towns and cities of heaven where people engage in buying and selling as we do here on earth.

According to them, the only difference between heaven and earth is that in heaven there is no sorrow, illness, sadness, poverty, decay,hatred,evil and all things that are bad as experienced on this earth.

Instead there is immeasurable love,joy, happiness and peace in heaven, according to them.

Also in heaven, all buildings/structures are so beautiful and fine to the extent that nothing can be more beautiful than them.
Even in your wildest imagination, you cannot imagine anything more beautiful.

What do you have to say on this?

lecturer50:


Exactly what hotels on earth are meant for.

Betting is not good because it involves so many people losing money while a few people win money at any particular time.

It makes many people sad when they lose money.

Also it is somehow addictive.Some people cannot stay without betting, spending so much money with the hope that they could win.

Anything that is addictive is not good.

If it had involved everyone always winning whenever they bet,it would have been ok.

LordReed:


If every one has a mansion in heaven what will the hotel be for?

You say there are sports arenas meaning there will be sports played which in turn means there will be winners and losers. How is that different from losing or winning a bet?

lecturer50:
There is this testimony I heard of a woman who had a heart attack and found herself in heaven.
She met all her relatives at the gate of heaven waiving at her.
They were all filled with immeasurable joy, peace and love.
She heard music which blew over her as air so much so that she felt so much peace, love and joy.
It was like the air was music.Music of love, peace and joy.
She saw beautiful valleys, mountains and rivers.
She saw her son whom she miscarriage,40 years before then.
He was a very small boy in heaven.If he were on the earth,he would have been a 40 years old man.
He was still an infant in heaven because heaven's is different than the Earth's time.
I read this today on the internet and I feel the need to share.

Kobojunkie:
The woman most likely had a psychological episode of sorts but she most definitely did not see her relatives in Heaven, not the same Heaven described by Jesus Christ at least.

Jesus Christ, the Truth of God, made it known to all, that no one, dead or alive, would be admitted into Heaven until after His return, when He will weigh the works of every man and give them their just rewards.

According to your story, this woman claims to have been to Heaven and seen her relatives in it. The problem is, according to the Gospel of the Kingdom of God, her relatives, if they all believed in Jesus Christ before their deaths, should still be in their graves, sleeping, just like all those who left this earth before them, even the apostles - all of them waiting for Jesus Christ's return and judgment .

lecturer50:
Even Jesus Christ spoke of Lazarus in heaven and the rich man in hell.
It shows that we don't just sleep inside the grave till Christ returns.
Lazarus is in heaven even till today.
The soul is still alive when the body is death and buried, but the soul lives on.
The idea concerning the coming of Jesus Christ is that the souls will come with Jesus Christ from heaven and will be reunited with their bodies from the grave.

1 Thessalonians 4:14 says that "them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him"

John 11 vs 1-16 (ERV)
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1. There was a man named Lazarus who was sick. He lived in the town of Bethany, where Mary and her sister Martha lived.
2. (Mary is the same woman who put perfume on the Lord and wiped his feet with her hair.) Mary’s brother was Lazarus, the man who was now sick.
3. So Mary and Martha sent someone to tell Jesus, “Lord, your dear friend Lazarus is sick.”
4. When Jesus heard this he said, “The end of this sickness will not be death. No, this sickness is for the glory of God. This has happened to bring glory to the Son of God.”
5. Jesus loved Martha and her sister and Lazarus.
6. So when he heard that Lazarus was sick, he stayed where he was two more days
7. and then said to his followers, “We should go back to Judea.”
8. They answered, “But Teacher, those Jews there tried to stone you to death. That was only a short time ago. Now you want to go back there?”
9. Jesus answered, “There are twelve hours of light in the day. Whoever walks in the day will not stumble and fall because they can see with the light from the sun.[a]
10. But whoever walks at night will stumble because there is no light.”
11. Then Jesus said, “Our friend Lazarus is now sleeping, but I am going there to wake him.”
12. The followers answered, “But, Lord, if he can sleep, he will get well.”
13. They thought Jesus meant that Lazarus was literally sleeping, but he really meant that Lazarus was dead.
14. So then Jesus said plainly, “Lazarus is dead.
15. And I am glad I was not there. I am happy for you because now you will believe in me. We will go to him now.”
16. Then Thomas, the one called “Twin,” said to the other followers, “We will go too. We will die there with Jesus.”

lecturer50:
Those Christians that died are in heaven now with Jesus Christ.
At Christ coming, they will come with Christ from heaven, according to that verse above.
Their bodies would be resurrected so that they would enter their glorified, resurrected bodies.
It shows that at death, the soul( which is the real you) will make it to heaven.
At the coming of Jesus Christ,we will also come with Him to be united with our bodies because after the destruction of the Antichrist,we need the bodies to reign with Christ on the Earth.

Matthew 25 vs 31-40 (ESV)
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31. “The Son of Man will come again with divine greatness, and all his angels will come with him. He will sit as king on his great and glorious throne.
32. All the people of the world will be gathered before him. Then he will separate everyone into two groups. It will be like a shepherd separating his sheep from his goats.
33. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
34. “Then the king will say to the godly people on his right, ‘Come, my Father has great blessings for you. The kingdom he promised is now yours. It has been prepared for you since the world was made.
35. It is yours because when I was hungry, you gave me food to eat. When I was thirsty, you gave me something to drink. When I had no place to stay, you welcomed me into your home.
36. When I was without clothes, you gave me something to wear. When I was sick, you cared for me. When I was in prison, you came to visit me.’
37. “Then the godly people will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and give you food? When did we see you thirsty and give you something to drink?
38. When did we see you with no place to stay and welcome you into our home? When did we see you without clothes and give you something to wear?
[b] 39. When did we see you sick or in prison and care for you?’
40. “Then the king will answer, ‘The truth is, anything you did for any of my people here,[b] you also did for me.’
41. “Then the king will say to the evil people on his left, ‘Get away from me. God has already decided that you will be punished. Go into the fire that burns forever—the fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels.
42. You must go away because when I was hungry, you gave me nothing to eat. When I was thirsty, you gave me nothing to drink.
43. When I had no place to stay, you did not welcome me into your home. When I was without clothes, you gave me nothing to wear. When I was sick and in prison, you did not care for me.’
44. “Then those people will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty? When did we see you without a place to stay? Or when did we see you without clothes or sick or in prison? When did we see any of this and not help you?’
45. “The king will answer, ‘The truth is, anything you refused to do for any of my people here, you refused to do for me.’
46. “Then these evil people will go away to be punished forever. But the godly people will go and enjoy eternal life.”

lecturer50:
Also we need to learn from people who have been declared dead, but later came back to life.
We cannot just say 'This is how it is' when we have not been there.
People who have been declared dead but miraculously revived, have more authority to say than people who believe they are following what the bible says.
The reason is that you can misinterprete what you are quoting from the bible or there could be a truth in the bible you are not observing, but you only observe the part you are standing on.

lecturer50:
To better understand the bible,it is good to look at it from all angles and to look at the belief of the ancient Israel which shapes the bible.That is why I went to bible school to really understand what the Israelites believed which helped to shape the bible.
From my study, Israelites believed that there is an underground hell where sinners are tomented and a paradise for the righteous.
That is also why the bible says that hell would deliver up the dead in it to be judged on the judgement day.

Kobojunkie:
Wrong! The Story Jesus Christ told of Lazarus was a Parable, like a parable He told of the Good Samaritan or the Prodigal Son. He told us a lot of those!

Jesus Christ, Himself told you that those who are in their graves are sleeping, and will be awakened when He returns again. He explained this very phenom to you when He dealt with the actual case of Lazarus, brother of Martha and Mary

Lazarus was dead, but Jesus Christ said He was sleeping, and eventually woke Him up.
Jesus Christ, through many of His teachings, including parables, told you that it would not be until the end when He returns that those who are dead will be raised from the grave and judged for Heaven and Hell.

Unless you are about to declare Jesus Christ a Liar and deceiver next, I suggest you open that bible to the Gospels to start learning instead of the teachings of Jesus Christ Himself.
The Paradise the Israelites believed in has nothing to do with the Kingdom of God that Jesus Christ promised to His followers.

lecturer50:

Are you a Jehovah witness member?

Kobojunkie:
So instead of paying attention to the Truth in the information presented,you think labeling my person will make it all fo away?

lecturer50:

Guy, you seem to be a very quarrelsome person.

Just a simple question and you call it labeling of your person.

Anyway, there is nothing you would say that will make me depart from what I know is true.

Just like there is nothing I would say that will make you believe me.

lecturer50:
I have been reading accounts of people who died due to accidents,illness, etc.

When they reached heaven, they were told to come back to the earth that it was not yet their time to die.

Most of them are allowed to have a tour of heaven before coming back to the earth.

After coming back to the earth and being revived, they discribed heaven saying there are Universities, schools, markets, industries, companies,houses(with bedrooms, toilets, parlours, kitchens, etc), villages, towns, cities, countries,and continents in heaven.

There are also businesses and business centers in towns and cities of heaven where people engage in buying and selling as we do here on earth.

According to them, the only difference between heaven and earth is that in heaven there is no sorrow, illness, sadness, poverty, decay,hatred,evil and all things that are bad as experienced on this earth.

Instead there is immeasurable love,joy, happiness and peace in heaven, according to them.

Also in heaven, all buildings/structures are so beautiful and fine to the extent that nothing can be more beautiful than them.
Even in your wildest imagination, you cannot imagine anything more beautiful.

What do you have to say on this?