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Zeeknow3245:


I had quote you. Don't talk like you care about violence. Hitler was wicked and the Kristanallacht was deadly compared to the capitol hill Attack. Read George Orwell's 1984.

I read 1984. I was not comparing Hitler's wickedness or Kristanallacht's deadliness to the Capitol Hill invasion.....this is all about the use of SM phlatforms to promote unrest.

Valkrie:


Is that not what is happening here on nairaland too..? When you write or comment about something they don't like they quickly remove it and ban you...it has been happening and not new...!!

Yeah bro, it's so unfortunate that is why we need presidents like trump to fight for free speech. But unfortunately the Democrats are using the Big Tech to censor him because he only has few days in office.

lagosrd:


Very terrible set if people. Anything democrats are devilish. They are always tagging Donald trump post as fake and untrue. They suck

And the funniest thing is that admits all these things he is still thriving.

nextstep:


You're right about we needing to understand our own history and not believe what we've been spoonfed. However, I need to respond to the comparisons you made between EndSars and this terrorist act.

There's a BIG difference between the people petitioning their government via protest, and the people invading the seat of government. There's a BIG difference between organizing a peaceful protest against maltreatment by government officials, and a President actively encouraging an insurrection to harm the country and its officials. Please don't conflate the two.

Sorry I do not agree with you. Censorship is censorship. I really do not have an answer to what or who should be censored and who should not. Trump did no more to encourage the protesters than FK or Savvy Rinu did during EndSARS. Let me first clearly again state that I don't like Trump and I still supported EndSARS and for once Nigerian youths made me proud (although I'm yet to see the benefits of the protest)

However, since Trump's legal channels of contesting the election all failed, he simply incited his army of Trumpers (Don't forget that 70 million people were counted to vote for this man). I believe he should be charged for this. And possibly prosecuted because I believe inciting the public is a crime. But is it really? If you look at EndSARS forgetting that FG may have pushed in touts to disrupt it, we can say FemCo also incited the public which led to a riot. And they could be held accountable as well. But they were never banned by twitter even after the destruction of lives and property by people most of us now believe to govt paid hoodlums. They were even supported with Bitcoins by Jack of twitter.

How does twitter become the judge, jury and executioner of who is allowed to air their grievances and who is not. Such a system with no check and balances is bound to be mismanaged, unjust and fraudulent.

The other option is to just be like China where the govt just controls everything. But the heck, isn't that we are all wearing masks now since nobody could blow the alarm on Covid early?

Summary: I don't know the answer to this problem. In a free press system I'd expect such decision is made by a law court. But the way information spreads nowadays will mandate at an instant would mandate that judgement to censor or not to censor can be give on the fly. No system is perfect

Originalsly:


He used the platform to instigate the insurrection. Earlier he had asked his followers to stand down .... that was an issue because it is code to be ready for the call to attack. He later used the platform to send the message for those standing down to invade the Capitol.

It was not violence. Brainwashed?... a brainwashed person cannot defend his statements..... I defended mine. Can you now defend your above statement that Middle East leaders instigated wars? What wars were instigated by Iran... Iraq or Pakistan?

Show me the tweets or the link to any video of him inciting violence.

Hongkog:
Pure truth.
The democrats used Twitter and Facebook to Influence the elections, they're going to pay for it .

If the President's account can be banned then we're not safe. Anytime we say something that Jack or Mark Zurg ain't okay with they can sensor us without a second thought.

For those who don't believe that the ILLUMINATI exist what happened in the US should make you understand that they control all the Big companies and are everywhere. All the popular social media can't barn 1 person for some false accusation except for the fact that everything is engineered by the illuminati, truth be told trump didn't encourage any violence. Anyways God will not let his servant see disgrace. CALAMITY WILL SURELY OVERTAKE THE WICKED AND THOSE WHO HATE THE RIGHTEOUS WILL BE PUNISHED.

Let the world keep mocking him till. The day of reckoning is almost here.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkPXIrUSrf8

God will bless you in a thousand fold.

Hongkog:
Pure truth.
The democrats used Twitter and Facebook to Influence the elections, they're going to pay for it .

If the President's account can be banned then we're not safe. Anytime we say something that Jack or Mark Zurg ain't okay with they can sensor us without a second thought.

For those who don't believe that the ILLUMINATI exist what happened in the US should make you understand that they control all the Big companies and are everywhere. All the popular social media can't barn 1 person for some false accusation except for the fact that everything is engineered by the illuminati, truth be told trump didn't encourage any violence. Anyways God will not let his servant see disgrace. CALAMITY WILL SURELY OVERTAKE THE WICKED AND THOSE WHO HATE THE RIGHTEOUS WILL BE PUNISHED.

12inchess:
Sorry I do not agree with you. Censorship is censorship. I really do not have an answer to what or who should be censored and who should not. Trump did no more to encourage the protesters than FK or Savvy Rinu did during EndSARS. Let me first clearly again state that I don't like Trump and I still supported EndSARS and for once Nigerian youths made me proud (although I'm yet to see the benefits of the protest)

However, since Trump's legal channels of contesting the election all failed, he simply incited his army of Trumpers (Don't forget that 70 million people were counted to vote for this man). I believe he should be charged for this. And possibly prosecuted because I believe inciting the public is a crime. But is it really? If you look at EndSARS forgetting that FG may have pushed in touts to disrupt it, we can say FemCo also incited the public which led to a riot. And they could be held accountable as well. But they were never banned by twitter even after the destruction of lives and property by people most of us now believe to govt paid hoodlums. They were even supported with Bitcoins by Jack of twitter.

How does twitter become the judge, jury and executioner of who is allowed to air their grievances and who is not. Such a system with no check and balances is bound to be mismanaged, unjust and fraudulent.

The other option is to just be like China where the govt just controls everything. But the heck, isn't that we are all wearing masks now since nobody could blow the alarm on Covid early?

Summary: I don't know the answer to this problem. In a free press system I'd expect such decision is made by a law court. But the way information spreads nowadays will mandate at an instant would mandate that judgement to censor or not to censor can be give on the fly. No system is perfect

1. You're absolutely right: Censorship is censorship, but to be fair, twitter has been quite reasonable for so long. If I owned a forum, I would totally censor adult content, child abuse, the incitement of violence, among other things that I, personally, find objectionable. It remains the right of private business to decide who they do business with as long as they do not discriminate based on race, class, religion, origin, disability, and a short list of other criteria.

When users sign up to private forums like twitter, they agree to self-censor: they agree to a set of terms and conditions where they promise to be good and not do what will upset twitter. To wit:

"We reserve the right to remove Content that violates the User Agreement, including for example, copyright or trademark violations or other intellectual property misappropriation, impersonation, unlawful conduct, or harassment. ...

We may also remove or refuse to distribute any Content on the Services, limit distribution or visibility of any Content on the service, suspend or terminate users, and reclaim usernames without liability to you."

These same terms apply to Nairaland, and have applied to practically every forum out there, going back to IRC and BBS over dial up modem. One can't agree to the terms, then bitch about censorship, when they get kicked off for actions going against the user agreement. Just move one's business elsewhere. The company is a private-sector entity, and is not required to allow people to continue misusing their forum, any more than you - a private citizen - be compelled to give me your pen so I can express myself freely.


2. I cannot equate the calls for EndSARS with the calls to "take over congress". If you take both at face value, FemCo says "let's protest against maltreatment". It was peacful for weeks, then touts came in. Should we stop all protests because of the potential for them to turn violent? Should we stop supporting protesters and their right to protest when there's violence? I don't recall Nigerians using twitter saying: "let's go and hurt some people and organize a looting spree". I hate to say this but, would we have supported MLK (Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.) for his non-violent marches even though some elements fomented violence? Are we then to equate the civil rights movement with the violence on the Capitol, based on a President's call for coup? That sounds like where the equation is going, in my opinion.

If the mob instigated by Trump had merely camped out outside the Capitol with their placards and held marches for two-three weeks, it would be a different matter. Even if it were to eventually turn violent, we would be able to say, no, no the aim of this protest was to call attention to the (false) claims of election rigging. However, from the get-go this was a call to insurrection.

We can agree to disagree. In 1969, the US Supreme Court held that inflammatory speech is protected under the First Amendment, unless the speech "is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action"
I submit that Trump's use of twitter produced imminent lawless action, and thus is subject to censure.
I also submit that the calls for a peacful EndSARS protest did not produce imminent lawless action, and is thus not subject to censure.

Once again, the right to free speech does not apply to private enterprises - especially when a contract/agreement has been entered into by the user. It refers only to a government's restriction on what its citizens can say:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

There's no such guarantee that a private company shall make no law, hence twitter is well within its authority to be judge, jury, and executioner on its own platform. Just as you can say: "I didn't like you using my pen to write all that stuff I don't agree with, give me back my pen".

There's no provision for citizens to usurp their government... Trump and his followers are welcome to start a civil war if they feel strongly that this Republic should be overturned, but cannot claim to be doing so within the framework of the Constitution. Afterall, this Republic started as an overthrow of the authority of King George III in the Colonies, and those rebels are now called "founding fathers".

On a second thought, this is a dangerous precedent. Putin, China Museveni, etc and other world leaders who are not comfortable with alternative views will use the Twitter ban of President Trump to silence their political enemies.

You can take my word to the bank. Opposition in third world countries are in trouble now.

emecheboy2:
God will bless you in a thousand fold.

AMEN

@nextstep.Along your argument you contradicted yourself. I will reply you with your own words. "Should we because of the possibility that protests will turn violent, make all protests illegal? " You seem to know about the U. S law a lot which is great. However, I'm also good with logic as well. There is no record of anywhere of Trump saying the word coup or asking for an insurrection atleast explicitly. He is smart enough to know not to do that because of the potential legal consequences. However, did he instigate the violence at Capitol Hill. Certainly! I watched the video when he appeared and he simply told his supporters to March on the Capitol, demand for their rights and ensure "The Steal" is not successful albeit in a very sesecionist and aggressive tone. He knew what he was doing! At the end of the day it turned violent. ENDSARS was similar. We had people on Social media spurring people on. At the end it turned violent as well. Should we now hold Femco accountable for the violence too regardless of if their intentions were altruistic or not. Is there anywhere Femco told pple to start looting?Are we even sure if Femcos motives? I'm very proud of Femco even though we may never know what they stand for but they gave many people a voice. Trump may give the same argument but this is not even my contention. My contention is that Twitter, Facebook, Tiktok etc which are for profit companies now have so much power. This is why they are not allowed in China. Every thinking govt must know how to deal with them. If twitter had blocked Endsars after a few days the protests would have died a premature death and may not have resulted into violence. Of course, they will lose their credibility but.... However in Trump's case, they were quick to censor Trump citing that he is instigating violence. Why the double standards? Is breakdown of law and order in Nigeria inconsequential?

If a country like China or Russia doesn't allow such companies now you can clearly see why. As advanced countries as well, they had seen the hand writing on the wall early on and nationalized social media. Essentially with the way social media is now, a foreign country can instigate another foreign country's citizen against its own govt thru social Media. You don't even have to put boots on ground anymore like in Iraq or Afghanistan. You just have to instigate them on social media and supply them funds thru bitcoins to "destroy/build" (however you look at it) with their own hands without firing a shot. It's way cheaper and easier to absolve yourself of any fall out.

The pen is mightier than the sword they said. Moreso in the 21st century. Even Herbert Macaulay knew this over a generation ago. Any thinking non western country can't completely leave this power of the pen in the hands of for profit western tech companies whose alegiance is only to dollars and the western society. It could be a severe breach of national security. PS: By right thinking a country like Nigeria is not what I have in mind.

Hongkog:



Show me the tweets or the link to any video of him inciting violence.

Read what you quoted.... the answer is in the first sentence. Do you realize you're asking the same question again? The answer remains the same. I am waiting for you to defend your statement.... can't you?

One should think of blockchain technology (decentralized application) as a possible solution to free speech in the present world.

But presently, no single government wants this technology to succeed, they still want to control it and this is the big issue right now with the law and the owner of tech.

and also the tokenomics of it is a big issue since it creates opportunities for millions to make money without 5 to 7 jobs.
NO GOVERNMENT WANTS THAT. THE OPPRESSORS DON'T WANT THAT SINCE THEY CAN'T BLOCK YOUR ACCOUNT

THE WOMAN THAT IS CRYING TODAY, SHE FORGOT ALL THEIR EFFORT TO KILL (LISK) IN HER COUNTRY

rontolo:
These companies have a responsibility to censure views that encourage violence. That is an obligation. Without this control, what stops anyone from promoting murder, drug distribution on such public platforms?

Hongkog:


It is either you're with God or with the devil, it was God's will that trump became president. If he belonged to the illuminati he would have been loved by people like Obama, Hillary Clinton, Biden, Pelosi, Gates, Mark Zuckerberg and many but a few illuminati members to mention.

It's all a hoax, nobody becomes USA president by mistake or because of God.

Even God left the world for the devil control (since man fell to devil sins)

Illuminati don't need trump to be loved, it is their game just to deceive people that everything works naturally in USA without hidden control, to make some feel like the people are the ones voting the leaders.

It's like ogboni cult politicians can argue outside, curse themselves but in the night they are one.

let alone a satanic cult that controls the world with guidance from lucifer

Hongkog:


You're the one that lack wisdom, not everybody like the things of the world or loves the devil.

You are the world! Your inability to have anything doesn't mean you don't like them

Short sighted people won't know how bad these decision to ban trump is,oppressive government all over the world will use this stupidity as a precedent in the implementation of oppressive policies. The censorship that is coming for endears protesters and biafra agitators nor go easy.

Minjim:






I'm fully aware of the role Trump's tweets played.
What I am saying is that, even the @POTUS account. All tweets Trump made from it are being deleted. He has over 33m followers and that's his medium of reaching them.
I know he violated Twitter's term but deleting tweets from the @POTUS account shouldn't be the decision of a private company. It should be that of the Parliament

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/trump-tweets-from-potus-account-after-suspension-they-got-deleted-2021-1%3famp

whatever comes from the @POTUS account is seen as an official statement. What Trump tweeted from the account after his own was banned bordered on inciting violence again. That's a luxury that can be permitted for a private individual not the @POTUS. The sanity of the office must be protected or don't you think so?

Donald Trump's Twitter account will be restored after Biden's inauguration... That time they know he will pose little or no threat..

emae009:


whatever comes from the @POTUS account is seen as an official statement. What Trump tweeted from the account after his own was banned bordered on inciting violence again. That's a luxury that can be permitted for a private individual not the @POTUS. The sanity of the office must be protected or don't you think so?

Protected by a private company with vested profit interest and that can be influenced politically?
I'm not holding for Trump.
But that power shouldn't be vested on a private company- to control what a president says.

Minjim:


Protected by a private company with vested profit interest and that can be influenced politically?
I'm not holding for Trump.
But that power shouldn't be vested on a private company- to control what a president says.

How many tweets from the @POTUS has been deleted by twitter since it was created?
A President can't be inciting violence. Donald Trump can. The tweet was only deleted because it was inciting further violence after the attack on the Capitol.
That's is more about preserving America's democracy than controlling what the President says.
Like the Ambassadors cacus said to the state department, you can't be preaching democracy and dishing out sanctions on foreign states and people while you're condoning the same thing.
That aside... what about the job of the Press secretary that write speeches for the President or stop the President from answering some impromptu questions from journalist. Does that also qualify as controlling what the President says.

emae009:


How many tweets from the @POTUS has been deleted by twitter since it was created?
A President can't be inciting violence. Donald Trump can. The tweet was only deleted because it was inciting further violence after the attack on the Capitol.
That's is more about preserving America's democracy than controlling what the President says.
Like the Ambassadors cacus said to the state department, you can't be preaching democracy and dishing out sanctions on foreign states and people while you're condoning the same thing.
That aside... what about the job of the Press secretary that write speeches for the President or stop the President from answering some impromptu questions from journalist. Does that also qualify as controlling what the President says.

Well, I'm just saying. Since Angela Merkel feeling different about it.
But you can compare writing of speech.
No writer can force a president to read what he doesn't want to. They can only advise.
Anyway, the sanity of a nation is even more than that of the presidency

Mikehot:
It's all a hoax, nobody becomes USA president by mistake or because of God.

Even God left the world for the devil control (since man fell to devil sins)

Illuminati don't need trump to be loved, it is their game just to deceive people that everything works naturally in USA without hidden control, to make some feel like the people are the ones voting the leaders.

It's like ogboni cult politicians can argue outside, curse themselves but in the night they are one.

let alone a satanic cult that controls the world with guidance from lucifer

You got the point in your second 3 writing, that is what just happened they're using the Democrats to deceive people that everything works normally, and that TRUMP is a bad person. So they can get into office a move on with thier plans.

If trump was an illuminati member they wound not paint him black like they are now doing.

Hongkog:


You got the point in your second 3 writing, that is what just happened they're using the Democrats to deceive people that everything works normally, and that TRUMP is a bad person. So they can get into office a move on with thier plans.

If trump was an illuminati member they wound not paint him black like they are now doing.

All this drama na just script.

They make you believe trump is hated or he is fighting the establishment.

It's all a distraction it's just two sides of same coin

Minjim:


Well, I'm just saying. Since Angela Merkel feeling different about it.
But you can compare writing of speech.
No writer can force a president to read what he doesn't want to. They can only advise.
Anyway, the sanity of a nation is even more than that of the presidency

Do you know what Angela Merkel and other people would say if America descended into chaos?
"We condemn", " Our thoughts are.....". By then the damage has already been done.
Public officer holders rarely make personal official statements. What is written down after the advisers has vetted the statement is what he will read but once in a while they do go off-script

Mikehot:
All this drama na just script.

They make you believe trump is hated or he is fighting the establishment.

It's all a distraction it's just two sides of same coin

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Nah mah Donald Trump is on another level altogether. Okay if you said they're working together what do you think is thier aim?

PatriotExact:



[s]So says a man that is typing from his one room apartment in a compound situated in a slum in Ajegunle.

lolzz[/s]

How is that your problem, rvbbish post

Hongkog:
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Nah mah Donald Trump is on another level altogether. Okay if you said they're working together what do you think is thier aim?

To enforce the Antichrist era, and deceive the audience while at it.

The Shriners for example is an arm of the Illuminati (they tell you they are for humanitarian purposes) but at the depth of it they carry out satanic schemes.

Americans would never agree for example that Illuminati controls who becomes president or not they think it's them just like they can't explain the all seeing eye symbol in their dollar

Goldmaxx:
but protected by section 230 of a law passed by the US government giving them coverage as they are not editors.

Section 230 only protects them within america, outside america it doesn't apply

American law only applies within it's border.