budaatum:

Can you all see how some twist what is written to serve their own agenda?
Now imagine what it would have been like if there were no book!
The following, I think, is an adequate response, though my own hypocrisy must be noted.

MaxInDHouse:

Jesus is invisibly present now and JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are working with him the end is very close as in around the corner!

budaatum:


[url=https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+9%3A33-34&version=KJV]And he came to Capernaum: and being in the house he asked them, What was it that ye disputed among yourselves by the way?[/url]

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MaxInDHouse:
I love this!
Whosoever shall give true Christians a cup of water to drink......shall not loose his reward!

Do you agree that JWs are God's sent to TEACH you what you must do to be saved?

Dtruthspeaker:


The Bible is a Documentary Evidence so it Speaks and Must Speak for itself!....

budaatum:


Do you agree orangutan's are God sent to teach you what you must do to be saved?

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Dtruthspeaker:


The Bible is a Documentary Evidence...

budaatum:


You like? So how do you differ from anyone else who calls their God whatever they like?

Please know this. buda does not do divine, and buda definitely does not do "source of creation", as it implies a creator, which buda has no evidence whatsoever for, except for seun (with apologies for the repeated mentions), who created the Garden of Nairaland in which buda dwells and feasts on Fruits of Knowledge and Life.

Amujale:
It's pretty simple we, MUST bin all these foreign extremist ideologies (this includes Christianity) and concentrate our focus on reality.

sonmvayina:

Its up to you if you dont want to believe in the creator...

sonmvayina:


Its up to you if you dont want to believe in the creator...

MaxInDHouse:
Go and force it out of their heads!

MaxInDHouse:
Off point!

When did you also join emotional blackmailers who after running off points begin emotional talks?

Amujale:

Brother neighbour It's as much my responsibility as it is yours.

Amujale:


No, it isn't, the Christian bible is a combination of fakery and falsehood.

Amujale:

Assuming you have any proof to the contrary, kindly provide them here.

Remember, it's proof that is being asked of you and not inconsequential gibberish.

budaatum:

Regarding the Bible

Not all! And it has definitely been corrupted since it is in no way in its original form it started out as.

The Torah is the result of a long process of editing (or redaction, as it is called by scholars). This means that there is no one date that one can be pointed to as the date of composition. Most scholars think that the final major redactions took place after 539 BCE when Cyrus the Great conquered the Neo-Babylonian Empire.
https://member.ancient.eu/Torah/

The books of the Christian Bible were arranged in the sequence one finds them in today to tell the story of the creation of the world by a supreme deity, the fall of man from paradise, and humanity's redemption by the Son of God but these books were not written in that sequence nor would the original authors of the Old Testament works have had that particular story in mind.
https://member.ancient.eu/bible/

..the Hebrew Bible did not begin as a single book; rather, it developed over time through the compilation of many Judean texts. The texts, though, were not always understood as divinely inspired, authoritative, holy texts; the role of Judean texts in religious expression developed between the 6th century BCE and 1st century CE.
https://member.ancient.eu/article/1139/early-judaism/

budaatum:


Off point that [url=https://classic.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+10%3A30-37&version=AMP]Jesus said "Go and do likewise" as a pagan no God worshipping Samaritan[/url], Max, or you just not willing to learn from Christ because JW is the your God?

I must admit I'm glad your emotions were touched by the Words of God.

MaxInDHouse:
"Go and do likewise" was a statement from Jesus to a none believer not a Christian!

Dtruthspeaker:


The Law is "He who alleges must Prove". Thus, you have alleged Falsehood...

Dtruthspeaker:


The Bible is a Documentary Evidence...

Amujale:


No, it isn't, the Christian bible is a combination of fakery and falsehood.

Assuming you have any proof to the contrary, kindly provide them here.

Remember, it's proof that is being asked of you and not inconsequential gibberish.

MaxInDHouse:

Secondly i believe in Jesus Christ..

MaxInDHouse:
You amuse me a lot walahi talahi!

I thought you said your preaching is working among Igbos and Jews, why not present the proof so that people can see and disown their own tribes to join either Igbos or Jews?

Dtruthspeaker:


The Law is "He who alleges must Prove". Thus, you have alleged Falsehood, it is your duty to Prove, which is a waste of your time for your betters raised this allegations and sought to prove them, but they were all cut down and burnt.

So, you would not be saying something new, therefore you have lost already.

And if you say something new, you have lost already for it is clearly a Fresh Fabrication, therefore, it is not True. Why?

Because Truth is very very very Old!

So you can leave me alone and enjoy holding your book against a table and turning it left and right, humming/screaming "vroooom, vroooom", while using your Torch to change gears and your legs pressed against the legs of your table as though a pedal.

It is your Natural power to deceive yourself that you are driving a car and going to Lagos meanwhile we see you seated at a table in your house with a book pressed against the table mimicking the noise of an engine!

But it is your inalienable right and power to do so which I do not like nterfering with.

So keep your product (judgement) after all it is your own.



I am not insulting you but I am only describing what I see, you are blind and you therefore you know nothing about Evidence and Proof and neither can you see them.

so even if someone takes you to Calabar to show you the Atlantic Ocean, you would not see it!

sonmvayina:


Your crase never cure finish....i think you should increase the dose.....or maybe you should change the prescription..either way see a doctor first...

You dont just make any sense at all....

Dtruthspeaker:


The Bible is a Documentary Evidence so it Speaks and Must Speak for itself! And the Proof of its contents is seen all around the world eg Egypt and Israel, the Major players in the Bible are there for all to see.

Thus, when you were in school you were told about the stories of the Tortoise and the Hare, why the Tortoise's shell is cracked, why the tortoise is bald, the good son vs the bad son, the good wife vs the bad wife, and other stories.etc

What was the point or gain of those stories? To guide our way so that we do not make the same errors or mistakes they did on one hand and to obtain the similar Goodnesses they obtained on the other hand.

So whether it is a History Book or a Scary Fictional Novel, the most important thing is whether you use the information contained therein to improve yourself (and others) or destroy yourself (and others) or you can ultimately discard it as when a teacher was teaching in front of the class.

For me the lessons in the Bible are as if I eat Life giving Fruits and Foods everyday, keeping me refreshed, strong, healthy and wealthy!

budaatum:

The evidence for gods (not existence, mind), is the vast amount of written word that exists on the topic. It's probably insufficient for you if you expect physical material evidence that you can weigh and measure. The tortoise and the hare in Aesop Fables does not exist, yet we learn quite a lot from the fables about them. Philosophy too cannot be measured or weighed, yet no sane person would claim philosophy does not exist.

"Disbelief (and belief) is not at all in the business of searching or knowing". It is about making things up in ones head usually with very little attempt to understand before believing or disbelieving it, and is what I've called "intellectually lazy and unequivocally dishonest". An "intellectually robust and unequivocally honest" person would first seek an understanding of what is meant instead of discarding it as you are so swift to do. It is afterall in no way intellectually sound to reject (or accept) claims one does not understand. And asking 'Christians' and 'Muslims', who can only proclaim what they believe, is like asking random people in the street about calculus. But then, your question is about "exist", so you're probably asking the right people. You'd go elsewhere if you were seeking to understand.

As to straw, I'm relying on the fact that unlike your belief about me, you yourself "know the meaning of the words you use". If you did, you'd see this thread is all about strawmanning, as in stating the beliefs of some and equating it to the understanding of all then whacking it all down. Nowhere have I found you seeking to understand the obfuscated complex issue called gods which have existed even since humans have reflected.

And yes, "not good enough" for someone of your intellectual ability. Though I confess that's just a belief of mine.

budaatum:


It is with immense pleasure that though Dtruthspeaker and I hardly ever agree on anything, he makes total sense to me.

sonmvayina:


He keeps relapsing from reality to fantasy world. I dont know where to shoot him....

Piss for one place make them see the foam.. He is pissing everywhere..

budaatum:


I piss everywhere!

Humans who piss in one place will stink and be malnourished!

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budaatum:
Besides, he obviously does not live for the pleasure of being shot by you since you are not his God!