poverty is a scourge. that i know. poverty spirit to me doesnt really involve a demonic being. some people just dont think they deserve good things of life. even when they can afford it. i like to tell my friends to treat thdmselves good cos once they close their eyes in death, its all over. infact your body wont even 'block' in the mortuary before people will start sharing your worldly posessions left behind.

redsun and olubori has said it all. i agree that there a spirits but i would say that those spirits only manifest when man has the mentality of poverty. like the bible says as a man thinketh in his heart so he is. if you believe that this country is hard then it will be hard for you, if you believe you are poor then you can never be rich,  it all has to do with how you think and how you look at life.

for example only people you think spirit of pverty are chasing are poor, some poeple don't even consider it and they are the ones that make it.

what we africans have is poverty mentality!!!
and also there is spirit of poverty because when you look at Jesus first message was to preach the good news to the poor.

[

frosbel:

Not true really except you believe that amassing debt is equal to true riches.

The truth is that westerners are living on borrowed time and heading towards an economic crash. Almost everything done here is on credit except you want to settle for old banger cars etc etc . But generally people buy on credit and pay installments with high interest rates .

Since when did debt becomes prosperity ? Do not be deceived, this is only a temporary farce.

And how do you justify buying a house , semi detacched worth supposedly about £110,000 due to high demand and subsequent inflation. But we know the true worth of these houses are in the 40,000 to 60,000 pound margin in terms of real value. And then you have not talked about the interest on the mortgage which will come to about 70,000 pounds, so alltogether you are paying £180,000 for a house worth only £60,000 and then the house is not even yours until you complete payment which means that you can have your house repossessed if you miss mopre than two payments and lose out on all the thousands of pounds you have paid over the years.

If you call this prosperity then I am astounded, infact this is more of a curse than a blessing.

You and me know very well that though it is supposed to work on paper like that in the west it doesnt work that way. Houses do appreciate and a lot of people dont stay in a house all their lives. if you buy a $200K house on mortgage. After 10 years you definitely sell if for that $200K unless something drastic happen to the neighbourhood. Even a lot of people get to sell their house at twice the value and can even go ahead and pay for a cheaper house then. The good thing in the west is that if you have a good head on your shoulder you can handle ur finances very well that there wont be any spirit of poverty close to you even if you are bloody atheist!

The whole concept of "spirits of poverty" is a wrong use of word. Poverty cannot b a quality of a true spirit. Poverty is activated via d mentality of d people n so pple wld continue 2 experience poverty as long as they think in dat way. And we really shld stop looking 4 d cause of our problems wit others we can & should b masters of our fate.

[size=15pt]Poverty[/size] = [size=15pt]Poor Mentality + Laziness[/size]

Spirit Of Poverty? I could be wrong but wasn't that the spirit that told a rich man to give up all his possessions and mentioned something about needles and camels?

Interesting obsevation @topic

spirit of poorverty is a thing of the pass if only you no the right thing to do. thats why am here

I am not a scholar but I do know that Jesus did not play with demons or Satan. I am reminded of the story where the woman gave her 2 mites in the offering, she was not turned away nor was demons cast out of her, Satan was not rebuked either. I currently have a blogtalk radio program on the internet and the Lord has given me a message about Mystery Babylon and there is a scripture that says that she has become a hide out for demons. She was luxurious and was buying this world good including food. The early church started a food program, that did not appear to be sin or demonic and when the famine was predicted in Jerusalem I believe by prophet it was another church that sent relief. There was no mention of demonic activity or sin for not having sufficiency of themselves. Jesus never cast out poverty in fact he said Mark 14:7
For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always. Jesus our precious Lord and savior is indeed true riches. He did not say cast devils out of them. I think this kind of logic and now doctrine is a deceptive thing pushing the agenda of Mystery Babylon when we are challenged to come out of her and rejoice at her judgment because she is judged for our sakes. The bible says in Peter that because the end time is near to be disciplined and earnest in our prayer lives and to be hospitible and offer food to those in need. But because some people are so covetous and blind by the deceitfulness of riches as proclaimed by Paul in Timothy in the last day they will be lovers of themselves and there money and are saying to people who are less fortunate that they must be demon possessed and are in sin, I beg to differ. Further more Paul told the Thessalonian church that if any are facing hardship then they should pray. James told us that it is not enough for those who claim to be faith filled to speak affirmations over needy people lives saying be warm and fed like is going on today in the pulpit with all the "repeat after mes" and "tell your neighbor this" but if one really had faith in God, biblical faith, one would participate in blessing others. I forgot to mention that the reason I am here is because I heard some one binding up the spirit of poverty on an internet program but it just did not agree with me so I was surfing the 'net and I found this forum, be blessed
You must know I am a female because I am going on and on. Somethings are a condition of the flesh such as laziness, sleep. Those are not spirits your flesh needs to be bought under subjection and Jesus has power all flesh that is why he was healing limbs, deafness, blindness, lameness, deformities. Those things were not demons in all cases and some were not caused as a result of sin although we all have sin because he did not forgive every one's sin that he healed them.

The scripture is clear of what being rich is all about

Jesus was very clear on what being rich is and was all about.
He knew what poverty is because he lived a poor man life.

Jesus was in need but He is God in man form and had to follow the laid down principles of getting his NEEDS Met.
people tend to think that we as christians should be all about getting and getting.
Matthew 19:23
23Then Jesus said to his disciples, "I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 19:24
Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

WHAT IS BEING EVIL RICH(RICH) AND HOLY RICH(POOR)


A man that has a business and makes a living of the business is blessed but withholds the money from doing Good and stores it up and his heart is in this Store. Everyday he sees the NEEDS of people and Shuts his eyes. He says in his heart they have hands they should work hard. He goes to church pays his offering and tithes, he pays church dues and church building pledges, in his heart he does this so that he can get more and store more. he has houses that he can't live in he charges the people that live in it higher his heart is money money money. He sees only profit in all things he does. His god is gain. This is the story of a rich fool.

Jeremiah 17:11
As the partridge sitteth on eggs, and hatcheth them not; so he that getteth riches, and not by right, shall leave them in the midst of his days, and at his end shall be a fool.

Whilst there is a man that has a business and makes a living of it. His business is blessed and he stores little money and pays his workers Well. He sees people with lack and spend his money and time. He looks for the needy and blesses them. He goes to church and pay his due. His money is the publics money. He raises men that do good. (ABRAHAMIC BLESSING)people are happy he is blessed because he is the source of blessing. Through him the people of the earth know what Grace is (UNDESERVED FAVOR). He loses his wealth to undeserving people because his God gave his precious son for him he must give his best to God and to people that wont say thank you. This is an wise man.

I know a man John Wesley He sent missionaries to the world with his money he built churches and schools to people that will not say thank to unworthy sinners. We were in the dark God used Wesley with his money he made. He lived a simple live people of the world will say he died poor. But I say he died a soldier full of grace divine. Wesley died with six pounds in his pocket a cloak he wore about and a silver spoon. He left churches all over the world with schools also hospitals.



Look at you pastor they are in the Gain business "Give to gain" is what they say

Here is a question for the poster. Why do you believe there is no SPIRIT OF POVERTY @VicJustice. Would the answer be any of the following
1) Just because you say so or do not believe it ??

2) You have never seen one and so there is none??

3) Because since your uncle changed his mind means it does not exist??

Please fill us in as to how you arrived at their not being one in the world you live in @VicJustice,

Kobojunkie:

Here is a question for the poster. Why do you believe there is no SPIRIT OF POVERTY @VicJustice. Would the answer be any of the following
1) Just because you say so or do not believe it ??

2) You have never seen one and so there is none??

3) Because since your uncle changed his mind means it does not exist??

Please fill us in as to how you arrived at their not being one in the world you live in @VicJustice,

  My answer to you question is: because there is no such spirit in the western world, so i don't accept that it opperate only in Africa. Mind you, i'm a christian.

Vicjustice:

My answer to you question is: because there is no such spirit in the western world, so i don't accept that it opperate only in Africa. Mind you, i'm a christian.

Which western world are you refering to?? I have never been to any city where there are no poor people at all. Which western world would that be please

I really don't believe in spirits and stuff seems like BS to me, but I know that there's is poverty everywhere, it's just more evident in Africa.

Kobojunkie:

Which western world are you refering to?? I have never been to any city where there are no poor people at all. Which western world would that be please

So poor that they can't afford food to eat? I've not seen such in the west.

Vicjustice:

So poor that they can't afford food to eat? I've not seen such in the west.

Maybe you need to ACTUALLY take a trip to the west then cause they are in the millions even in the west @VicJustice

Kobojunkie:

Maybe you need to ACTUALLY take a trip to the west then cause they are in the millions even in the west @VicJustice

Unlike in Nigeria where hard work doesn't guarantee freedom from poverty, a poor man in the west is responsible for his own poverty; in other word, NO normal person in the west can be so poor that he can't afford essential things in life. The only wayward people i've seen so far are either junkies or drunkards.
NO RESPONSIBLE PERSON IN THE WEST CAN BE SO POOR THAT HE CAN'T LIVE UP TO THE STANDARD OF AN AVERAGE MAN IN NIGERIA

Vicjustice:

Unlike in Nigeria where hard work doesn't guarantee freedom from poverty, a poor man in the west is responsible for his own poverty; in other word, NO normal person in the west can be so poor that he can't afford essential things in life. The only wayward people i've seen so far are either junkies or drunkards.
NO RESPONSIBLE PERSON IN THE WEST CAN BE SO POOR THAT HE CAN'T LIVE UP TO THE STANDARD OF AN AVERAGE MAN IN NIGERIA

That is where you have gone wrong. Notice how you have given an excuse to the poor in Nigeria but have not made the same for those in the west? It does not work that way in the real world though. There are hard working people here who, no matter how they work, do not get part where they are for years to were they want to be. They do not choose to be poor. There are also those in the west and even in nigeria who choose to settle in poverty out of laziness. Notice how in both cases, the same thing is involved?? "POVERTY". Regardless of how you try to slice and dice it. Poverty, contrary to your claim exists everywhere you go. Some Choose it, some try hard to escape it but regardless of where one lives, it exists.

Some time ago, i spoke with a relative of mine who used to campaign to people in Nigeria about the existence of the "spirits of poverty" and their activities in people's lives, he used to recommend them to pray and "cast" out these "demons" from their families.

Your friend was partially right in that He acknowledge a Spirit behind Poverty. But in the way to cast the Spirit, I will only want to put few things right.

First and foremost, "Devourer" is the Spirit of Poverty = Malachi 3 vs 5-12

Secondly the only known way out of it is "Obdience" to the Commandment of God. Then Prayers could then be applied. The first must come first.

;DShallom1

But most rich people don't even know God, so, how come they are free from the spirit of poverty where-as, those who know God are bound by it's chains?