Just when you think you understand anything about the Bible, you'll find another verse that proves otherwise. Below are some examples;

1.God is one and there's no one else beside him.

2. There are 3 that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the word and the Spirit and all three are one

3. Faith is the most important thing.

4. Works are the most important.

5. Love is the most important.

6. Tithing is for Jews. For a Christian, giving is as he cheerfully wills.

7. Jesus is God.

8. Every Christian should speak in tongues.

9. Once saved is forever saved.

10. Grace abolishes the Law.

11. Grace is without works/Grace is with works.

12. There is sin in heaven.

There are no uncertainties in the Bible. The Bible is the certain-tiest book ever written or compiled. It is more advanced than any computer ever devised than man. It is more current than tomorrow's news

If you do not understand anything, ask.

Myer:
Just when you think you understand anything about the Bible, you'll find another verse that proves otherwise. Below are some examples;

1.God is one and there's no one else beside him.

2. There are 3 that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the word and the Spirit and all three are one

3. Faith is the most important thing.

4. Works are the most important.

5. Love is the most important.

6. Patience is the most important virtue.

7. Jesus is God.

8. Every Christian should speak in tongues.

9. Once saved is forever saved.

10. race abolishes the Law.

11. Grace is without works.

12. There is no sin in heaven.

Is it possible that your confusion stems mostly from your giving ear to the doctrines and traditions of men Instead of the teachings that are in fact the Truth of God as taught you by Jesus Christ Himself?

Kobojunkie:
Is it possible that your confusion stems mostly from your giving ear to the doctrines and traditions of men Instead of the teachings that are in fact the Truth of God as taught you by Jesus Christ Himself?

Well, there are teachings of Jesus Christ and there are teachings of the Apostles.
Both contradicting each other on some doctrines.

Yet Jesus Christ himself there are things he could not share until the Holyspirit was given, after his death.

How then do we know that these things he could not share are what the Holyspirit revealed to his disciples especially Paul who seemed to contradict him the most?

MrPresident1:
There are no uncertainties in the Bible. The Bible is the certain-tiest book ever written or compiled. It is more advanced than any computer ever devised than man. It is more current than tomorrow's news

If you do not understand anything, ask.

According to your knowledge. Until you study other verses and become exposed to the contradictions.

Does Grace abolish the Law?

Can a Christian still commit sin?

Does Faith only save or Faith without works is dead?

Is once saved forever saved? Or can a Christian lose his salvation?

Is Jesus Son of God or God?

Does every Christian receive the Holyspirit?

Are you a Christian if you do not have the gifts of the Holyspirit?

Can you have the gifts of the Spirit and not have the fruit of the spirit?

Should a Christian drink alcohol?

Should a Christian participate in Politics?

Are women allowed to speak in the church or even become leaders in the church?

Just to mention few. Answer this convincingly with scriptures and we'll continue from there.

Myer:


According to your knowledge. Until you study other verses and become exposed to the contradictions.

Does Grace abolish the Law?

Can a Christian still commit sin?

Does Faith only save or Faith without works is dead?

Is once saved forever saved? Or can a Christian lose his salvation?

Is Jesus Son of God or God?

Does every Christian receive the Holyspirit?

Are you a Christian if you do not have the gifts of the Holyspirit?

Can you have the gifts of the Spirit and not have the fruit of the spirit?

Should a Christian drink alcohol?

Should a Christian participate in Politics?

Are women allowed to speak in the church or even become leaders in the church?

Just to mention few. Answer this convincingly with scriptures and we'll continue from there.

I don't have any knowledge. If you have any challenges with understanding the Bible, pray to the One that commissioned it and ask for understanding.

Myer:

Well, there are teachings of Jesus Christ and there are teachings of the Apostles.
Both contradicting each other on some doctrines.

Yet Jesus Christ himself there are things he could not share until the Holyspirit was given, after his death.

How then do we know that these things he could not share are what the Holyspirit revealed to his disciples especially Paul who seemed to contradict him the most?

So you were indeed giving ear to the doctrines and traditions of men(the teachings of the apostles included) instead paying more attention to the teachings of Jesus Christ Himself, the one who is our only Master and Teacher.

It is my understanding that unless you gain a full understanding of the teaching of Jesus Christ Himself, you can only appreciate any of the writings of the apostles(Paul included).

We know from God Himself that God is True, and God is Love, God is Life and also God is Spirit. Jesus Christ who is born of the Spirit of God, is the Truth of God meaning His teaching is Spirit .i.e. the teachings that leads to spiritual truth that we seek.
Jesus Christ is the Life, the Way back to the Father, and the Truth of God package as a Covenant for all those who will believe in Him.

Jesus Christ is in Heaven seated at the right hand side of God Himself, whereas the apostles and Paul and all believers who are dead, are still in their graves, waiting, for when Jesus Christ returns to judge them all for the works the have each done in His done. So, it should be no question you should choose above all else - always validate what you read against Jesus Christ, the truth of God.

Kobojunkie:
So you were indeed giving ear to the doctrines and traditions of men(the teachings of the apostles included) instead paying more attention to the teachings of Jesus Christ Himself, the one who is our only Master and Teacher.

It is my understanding that unless you gain a full understanding of the teaching of Jesus Christ Himself, you can only appreciate any of the writings of the apostles(Paul included).

We know from God Himself that God is True, and God is Love, God is Life and also God is Spirit. Jesus Christ who is born of the Spirit of God, is the Truth of God meaning His teaching is Spirit .i.e. the teachings that leads to spiritual truth that we seek.
Jesus Christ is the Life, the Way back to the Father, and the Truth of God package as a Covenant for all those who will believe in Him.

Jesus Christ is in Heaven seated at the right hand side of God Himself, whereas the apostles and Paul and all believers who are dead, are still in their graves, waiting, for when Jesus Christ returns to judge them all for the works the have each done in His done. So, it should be no question you should choose above all else - always validate what you read against Jesus Christ, the truth of God.

Do you believe that the Bible is God's word?
Do you believe that all scripture is inspired by God? 2 Tim 3:16
Even the things Jesus taught were inspired by the Holy Spirit.
Likewise the things the Apostoes taught were inspired by the Holyspirit? 2 Peter 1:21

The only difference may be the measure of the Holyspirit and Grace given to them.

So to denounce the teachings of the Apostles and only hold that on Jesus true is to denounce the inspirations of God through the Holy spirit.

That said, if JesusChrist himself said there are things he wished to tell the disciples but could not because they could not yet bear them until the Holyspirit was given, then how do you denounce what they taught when it may have been the thing Jesus himself wanted to share but could not?

MrPresident1:


I don't have any knowledge. If you have any challenges with understanding the Bible, pray to the One that commissioned it and ask for understanding.

You have simply said according to scriptures that
- You're a fool who has no fear of God. Proverbs 1:7
- You're perishing due to your lack of knowledge. Hosea 4:6

Myer:

Do you believe that the Bible is God's word?
Do you believe that all scripture is inspired by the Holyspirit?
Even the things Jesus taught were inspired by the Holyspirit?
Likewise the things the Apostoes taught were inspired by the Holyspirit?

The only difference may be the measure of the Holyspirit and Grace given to them.

So to denounce the teachings of the Apostles and only hold that on Jesus true is to denounce the inspirations of God through the Holy spirit.

That said, if JesusChrist himself said there are things he wished to tell the disciples but could not because they could not yet bear them until the Holyspirit was given, then how do you denounce what they taught when it may have been the thing Jesus himself wanted to share but could not?

Most of those beliefs are themselves inspired by the doctrines and traditions of men to begin with.

You will it written nowhere in any of the books of the prophets that the Bible is the word of God. So why do people believe in such?

In his letter to timothy, Paul supposedly writes that All scripture is inspired by the Spirit of God, but that entry fails the test set by God in both His Old Covenant and New Covenant - the law of two or three witnesses. The test demands that by the accounts of two or three witnesses can a matter be established. In this case, this claim is only found in that letter by Paul and nowhere else in all of the books that comprise what we know as scripture today.

We however know through the writings of the prophets that all knowledge(Good and Evil alike) belong to God, so it is safe that all knowledge(not just that contained in scripture) is inspired(belongs) to God.

Jesus Christ was born of the Spirit of God and Jesus Christ is the Word of God Himself in human body, the words of God is the very Truth out of God's mouth and is the teaching of the Spirit itself.

The big difference between the Word of God and the words of men is that the Word of God is the Truth of God, compared to that, the words of men(their doctrines and opinions) are lies.

To denounce all that which does not agree with that which emits out of God Himself is common sense(Wisdom). God is the one who worship and to whom the contract which you have through Jesus Christ belongs to. So it is common sense to obey His teachings over those of any other man, no matter their claims.

Kobojunkie:
Most of those beliefs are themselves inspired by the doctrines and traditions of men to begin with.

You will it written nowhere in any of the books of the prophets that the Bible is the word of God. So why do people believe in such?

In his letter to timothy, Paul supposedly writes that All scripture is inspired by the Spirit of God, but that entry fails the test set by God in both His Old Covenant and New Covenant - the law of two or three witnesses. The test demands that by the accounts of two or three witnesses can a matter be established. In this case, this claim is only found in that letter by Paul and nowhere else in all of the books that comprise what we know as scripture today.

We however know through the writings of the prophets that all knowledge(Good and Evil alike) belong to God, so it is safe that all knowledge(not just that contained in scripture) is inspired(belongs) to God.

Jesus Christ was born of the Spirit of God and Jesus Christ is the Word of God Himself in human body, the words of God is the very Truth out of God's mouth and is the teaching of the Spirit itself.

The big difference between the Word of God and the words of men is that the Word of God is the Truth of God, compared to that, the words of men(their doctrines and opinions) are lies.

To denounce all that which does not agree with that which emits out of God Himself is common sense(Wisdom). God is the one who worship and to whom the contract which you have through Jesus Christ belongs to. So it is common sense to obey His teachings over those of any other man, no matter their claims.

Read my quoted comment again. I've taken the effort to add the corresponding verses.

Jesus himself being driven by the Holyspirit (Luke 4:1).

He only spoke what his Father (the Holyspirit) revealed to him. John 5:19

Myer:

Read my quoted comment again. I've taken the effort to add the corresponding verses.

Jesus himself being driven by the Holyspirit (Luke 4:1).

He only spoke what his Father (the Holyspirit) revealed to him. John 5:19

What part of my response to you contradicts what is written in both Luke 4 vs 1 and John 5 vs 19?

Kobojunkie:
What part of my response to you contradicts what is written in both Luke 4 vs 1 and John 5 vs 19?

You claim that only Jesus' teachings were inspired by God. I'm simply letting you know that just like the Apostles, Jesus was being used by the Hokyspirit.

That Jesus, the man was God because he was driven and being used by the Holyspirit.

So the Apostles were also products of the Holyspirit working through them. And as such you cannot discard their teachings as teaching of men when they were inspired by the same Holyspirit that worked through Jesus Christ.

Myer:

You claim that only Jesus' teachings were inspired by God. I'm simply letting you know that just like the Apostles, Jesus was being used by the Hokyspirit.

That Jesus, the man was God because he was driven and being used by the Holyspirit.

So the Apostles were also products of the Holyspirit working through them. And as such you cannot discard their teachings as teaching of men when they were inspired by the same Holyspirit that worked through Jesus Christ.

Am persuaded to believe you do not still understand who Jesus Christ is by your statement that His words are inspired by the Spirit of God. Jesus Christ was born of the Spirit of God i.e. His roots are not from God Himself so yes, Jesus Christ spoke of the Truth of God as a result.

However, unlike the apostles, Jesus Christ happens to be of the God, something your apostles are not as their root is from the loins of men and so it is erroneous to then declare that their word is the Truth If God. The only Truth of God is Jesus Christ, again I stress that God is True and the Word of God Himself is God's Truth.

Since the apostles do not share the very essence of God as Jesus Christ, the embodiment of God's own New Covenant, there words which remain the words of men needs to be verified against the truth of God.

It is important to know who Jesus Christ different his apostles or the prophets of old. That is why I reiterate it is essential to have a full understanding of His teachings( found in the 4 gospels) before trying to digest any of the words of his apostles(his servants).

Jesus Christ is the Master and His is the one born of the Spirit of God who lived without sin and died to redeem all who will follow Him( love Him -not His apostles - and obey His commandments. A servant can never be as great as His Master.

Myer:
Just when you think you understand anything about the Bible, you'll find another verse that proves otherwise. Below are some examples;

1.God is one and there's no one else beside him.

2. There are 3 that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the word and the Spirit and all three are one

3. Faith is the most important thing.

4. Works are the most important.

5. Love is the most important.

6. Patience is the most important virtue.

7. Jesus is God.

8. Every Christian should speak in tongues.

9. Once saved is forever saved.

10. race abolishes the Law.

11. Grace is without works.

12. There is no sin in heaven.

Brother. Myer , again?

You have so many things rolling on your mind but haven't taken time to look at them properly.

The way you drop snippet of words from scriptures shows where the issue lies: a wholesome study of the scriptures is missing.

When this is done, you will know that no other place you can find such consistency in writing than the scriptures.

hoopernikao:


Brother. Myer , again?

You have so many things rolling on your mind but haven't taken time to look at them properly.

The way you drop snippet of words from scriptures shows where the issue lies: a wholesome study of the scriptures is missing.

When this is done, you will know that no other place you can find such consistency in writing than the scriptures.

Why not help us all out by answering them scripturally for the benefit of us all? Unless of course you confirm the Bible's inconsistencies on these.

I'm sure that if any intelligent person wants to invest in crude oil here in Nigeria he knows which part of the country he needs to go and learn about the good and bad side of the business: Niger Delta
If you want to invest in Cow milk, meat or skin you know where to go first: Northern Nigeria
So if you're interested in God's word the first thing to do is observe intelligently all those claiming they are preaching and teaching God's word then as you contemplate how their conduct turns out "IMITATE THEIR FAITH" Hebrews 13:7
That's the most intelligent thing to do!

Myer:
Just when you think you understand anything about the Bible, you'll find another verse that proves otherwise. Below are some examples;

1.God is one and there's no one else beside him.

2. There are 3 that bear witness in heaven, the Father, the word and the Spirit and all three are one

3. Faith is the most important thing.

4. Works are the most important.

5. Love is the most important.

6. Tithing is for Jews. For a Christian, giving is as he cheerfully wills.

7. Jesus is God.

8. Every Christian should speak in tongues.

9. Once saved is forever saved.

10. Grace abolishes the Law.

11. Grace is without works/Grace is with works.

12. There is sin in heaven.

Hello.

It would be easier to deal with your post if you made your complaint a little clearer.

I get that the 12 items that you listed out are supposed to be examples of inconsistencies in the Bible. It's not clear how they are though.

What are the Bible verses that give you reason to believe that these are inconsistencies?

Ihedinobi3:


Hello.

It would be easier to deal with your post if you made your complaint a little clearer.

I get that the 12 items that you listed out are supposed to be examples of inconsistencies in the Bible. It's not clear how they are though.

What are the Bible verses that give you reason to believe that these are inconsistencies?

The uncertainties stem from how you cant be certain about the Bible's stand on most issues.

Trinity.
Is God one God or Three Gods in One?
If God is one God, then Jesus can only be the Son of God and not God himself. Likewise the Holyspirit is God's active force and not God himself

Which is the Most important?
Faith, Love, Hope, Works or Patience?
While 1 Cor 13 tells us Love is the most important.
Tells us Faith is.
Revelations 2/3 tells us it is our works God would judge.

Tithing was part of the Laws. If the new covenant we are no longer under Law, just as circumcision and sacrifices are no longer required, tithes are no longer a requirement. Only cheerful giving as one desires is encouraged.

Speaking in tongues is supposed to be the primary evidence of baptism of the Holyspirit. Does that mean a Christian who doesn't speak in tongues does not have the Holyspirit?

The doctrine of eternal salvation.
John 3:16 speaks of eternal life in Christ.
Yet Revelations speaks of the fact that those who continue in sin would end up in hell fire.

Grace Vs Law
Does being under Grace abolish the Law? Should a Christian still be bound by Laws?

Faith Vs Works
Does Faith alone guarantee heaven or Faith without works is dead?

Myer:


The uncertainties stem from how you cant be certain about the Bible's stand on most issues.

Trinity.
Is God one God or Three Gods in One?
If God is one God, then Jesus can only be the Son of God and not God himself. Likewise the Holyspirit is God's active force and not God himself

Which is the Most important?
Faith, Love, Hope, Works or Patience?
While 1 Cor 13 tells us Love is the most important.
Tells us Faith is.
Revelations 2/3 tells us it is our works God would judge.

Tithing was part of the Laws. If the new covenant we are no longer under Law, just as circumcision and sacrifices are no longer required, tithes are no longer a requirement. Only cheerful giving as one desires is encouraged.

Speaking in tongues is supposed to be the primary evidence of baptism of the Holyspirit. Does that mean a Christian who doesn't speak in tongues does not have the Holyspirit?

The doctrine of eternal salvation.
John 3:16 speaks of eternal life in Christ.
Yet Revelations speaks of the fact that those who continue in sin would end up in hell fire.

Grace Vs Law
Does being under Grace abolish the Law? Should a Christian still be bound by Laws?

Faith Vs Works
Does Faith alone guarantee heaven or Faith without works is dead?

I'm not sure that I understand why you claim that one can't be certain of the Bible's stand on any issue.

To be clear, I see your examples and I understand that they are part of your argument. But as you yourself said, they are only a sampling of issues that you believe that the Bible is inconsistent or at least unclear about.

My concern then is to address the root rather than the symptoms. If I explained each of these things as I read them in the Bible, it will not solve the problem. The problem is that you are convinced that the Bible's position on things such as the examples you have provided cannot be known.

Therefore, my question is why do you have this conviction? Why is it not possible rather that it is just not easy to understand the Bible's position on any of these things?

Myer:


The uncertainties stem from how you cant be certain about the Bible's stand on most issues.

Trinity.
Is God one God or Three Gods in One?
If God is one God, then Jesus can only be the Son of God and not God himself. Likewise the Holyspirit is God's active force and not God himself

Which is the Most important?
Faith, Love, Hope, Works or Patience?
While 1 Cor 13 tells us Love is the most important.
Tells us Faith is.
Revelations 2/3 tells us it is our works God would judge.

Tithing was part of the Laws. If the new covenant we are no longer under Law, just as circumcision and sacrifices are no longer required, tithes are no longer a requirement. Only cheerful giving as one desires is encouraged.

Speaking in tongues is supposed to be the primary evidence of baptism of the Holyspirit. Does that mean a Christian who doesn't speak in tongues does not have the Holyspirit?

The doctrine of eternal salvation.
John 3:16 speaks of eternal life in Christ.
Yet Revelations speaks of the fact that those who continue in sin would end up in hell fire.

Grace Vs Law
Does being under Grace abolish the Law? Should a Christian still be bound by Laws?

Faith Vs Works
Does Faith alone guarantee heaven or Faith without works is dead?

The Bible is a baseless compilation of unnecessary/false statements.

Concerning the understanding of it,I am aware that it's the same English we use everyday.
I understand the English in the Bible that's written in today's English.
I also understand the English of King James.
I can deduce that the Bible is just another book that's filled with bla bla bla.
My name is Hell.
But that's a coincidence because I didn't choose to be born in a world where such word is used.
If the word never existed,I could have been someone else or someone that doesn't have to call himself Hell.

Ihedinobi3:


I'm not sure that I understand why you claim that one can't be certain of the Bible's stand on any issue.

To be clear, I see your examples and I understand that they are part of your argument. But as you yourself said, they are only a sampling of issues that you believe that the Bible is inconsistent or at least unclear about.

My concern then is to address the root rather than the symptoms. If I explained each of these things as I read them in the Bible, it will not solve the problem. The problem is that you are convinced that the Bible's position on things such as the examples you have provided cannot be known.

Therefore, my question is why do you have this conviction? Why is it not possible rather that it is just not easy to understand the Bible's position on any of these things?

I understand English.
So, I can determine that the Bible's contents don't add up.

HellVictorinho:

I understand English.
So, I can determine that the Bible's contents don't add up.

Hey there.

We have not yet had even one productive engagement up to this point. You don't often put in the effort for a meaningful conversation. Do you really think that there is any great prospect of gain in a new conversation with me?

Anyway, my answer is this: unless you're a physicist, I doubt that you would understand much in that subject even though it is written and taught in English in many books and universities.

Access to a language in which a certain kind of knowledge is conveyed is not guaranteed to be access to that knowledge itself.

Ihedinobi3:


Hey there.

We have not yet had even one productive engagement up to this point. You don't often put in the effort for a meaningful conversation. Do you really think that there is any great prospect of gain in a new conversation with me?

Anyway, my answer is this: unless you're a physicist, I doubt that you would understand much in that subject even though it is written and taught in English in many books and universities.

Access to a language in which a certain kind of knowledge is conveyed is not guaranteed to be access to that knowledge itself.

Actually,we have not agreed towards anything.
Stop deceiving yourself.

Ihedinobi3:


Hey there.

We have not yet had even one productive engagement up to this point. You don't often put in the effort for a meaningful conversation. Do you really think that there is any great prospect of gain in a new conversation with me?

Anyway, my answer is this: unless you're a physicist, I doubt that you would understand much in that subject even though it is written and taught in English in many books and universities.

Access to a language in which a certain kind of knowledge is conveyed is not guaranteed to be access to that knowledge itself.

Stop the baseless comparisons.
Why compare religion to Physics?

Ihedinobi3:


Hey there.

We have not yet had even one productive engagement up to this point. You don't often put in the effort for a meaningful conversation. Do you really think that there is any great prospect of gain in a new conversation with me?

Anyway, my answer is this: unless you're a physicist, I doubt that you would understand much in that subject even though it is written and taught in English in many books and universities.

Access to a language in which a certain kind of knowledge is conveyed is not guaranteed to be access to that knowledge itself.

In other words, the conversation is only meaningful when we agree.
Furk your philosophy!!!!!!

Myer:
Does Grace abolish the Law?

Grace(embodied in the person of Jesus Christ) itself is a LAW, a Covenant/Contract much like the Old Law, except with fewer laws/rules/commandments, a different set of blessings and curses, promises, Covenant Seal, and stipulations for obtaining and keeping the seal.

Myer:
Can a Christian still commit sin?

Yes, however, a Christian can also choose not to sin... by obeying the commandments of Jesus Christ. In the Law of Grace, Sin takes on a whole different definition from that which is known in the Old Covenant.

Myer:
Does Faith only save or Faith without works is dead?

You have to first understand what Faith really is in order to understand how it saves. And yes, it is through Faith(set of works a result of your obedience to the commandment of Jesus Christ) that you are saved. Jesus Christ declares that those who believe in Him are those who are saved from Death(I bet you did not know that this is what Salvation is from), so all you need is to obey ( You have to believe in Him, get baptized, eat his body and drink his blood) and voila, you are saved.

Myer:
Is once saved forever saved? Or can a Christian lose his salvation?

A Christian cannot lose his/her Salvation because there is no way provided by God by which to undo the contract(the Covenant of Grace), which you become tied to when you obey Jesus Christ's command that you believe in Him.

Myer:
Is Jesus Son of God or God?

Well, in human terms He is the Son of God, but technically He is the Word of God - Every word that God has ever spoken is Jesus Christ and since God is True, His word, Jesus Christ, is the Truth of God, born of God's very essence.

Myer:
Does every Christian receive the Holyspirit?

If we are to assume, and rightly, that a Christian is simply one who believes in Jesus Christ then the answer is No! See, only those "Christians" who love Him, Jesus Christ, and obey His commandments will go on to receiving the Spirit of God. The rest of the "Christians" who have no interest in surrendering to His lead, will not get the Spirit of God but they get to keep the gift they received when they were saved from Death(gift of eternal life).

Myer:
Are you a Christian if you do not have the gifts of the Holyspirit?

Going by the definition established earlier, yes! So long as you believe in Him, you belong to Him.

Myer:
Can you have the gifts of the Spirit and not have the fruit of the spirit?

Paul, we read in his letter, is clear on his opinion on that which he classifies as the "gifts of the Spirit" and the "Fruits of the Spirit", and that is his opinion. But according to Jesus Christ, those who belong to Him will do that which He did and more.

Myer:
Should a Christian drink alcohol?

Should? I wouldn't say should. Yes, a Christian can drink Alcohol... our Master, Jesus Christ did drink, so why can't we?

Myer:
Should a Christian participate in Politics?

Jesus Christ commanded His followers against occupying seats of authority and taking on leadership roles over their brethren, so that would be a No.

Matthew 20 vs 24-28 (ESV)
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24. The other ten followers heard this and were angry with the two brothers.
25. So Jesus called the followers together. He said, “You know that the rulers of the non-Jewish people love to show their power over the people. And their important leaders love to use all their authority over the people.
26. But it should not be that way with you. Whoever wants to be your leader must be your servant.
27. Whoever wants to be first must serve the rest of you like a slave.
28. Do as I did: The Son of Man did not come for people to serve him. He came to serve others and to give his life to save many people.”

Christians are commanded against occupying political seats and practicing the politics of this world in any shape and form.

Myer:
Are women allowed to speak in the church or even become leaders in the church?

The Church of Jesus Christ or the Church as defined by Paul in His letters? In the Church of Jesus Christ, there are no gender-specific roles for every follower of Jesus Christ is equal in the eyes of God i.e. a Son of God.

Myer:
Just to mention a few. Answer this convincingly with scriptures and we'll continue from there.

This is the interesting part... [b]All you have to do is read the entirety of the Gospel according to John. [/b]Start there to learn where all of the answers that Jesus Christ Himself gave you more than 2000 years ago are written down for you to glean for yourself.

HellVictorinho:


Actually,we have not agreed towards anything.
Stop deceiving yourself.

HellVictorinho:

Stop the baseless comparisons.
Why compare religion to Physics?

HellVictorinho:

In other words, the conversation is only meaningful when we agree.
Furk your philosophy!!!!!!

Very well then. This will be my last answer to you. I cannot guarantee that I will ever respond to any comment that you make in my direction again after this.

First, I did not even suggest that we either have agreed on anything or that we needed to in order to have a meaningful conversation. You are quite mistaken about both thoughts. A meaningful conversation is only one where reasonable discourse is had. I have not had such a thing with you. You don't demonstrate much thoughtfulness in your responses.

Second, I did not compare religion to physics. I don't hold any brief for religion. I am a Christian. I only demonstrated the error in your thinking. If all that is required for competence in a particular area of knowledge is ability to understand the language in which that knowledge is conveyed, then of course your point is valid. If it isn't, then it isn't. That is all.

Cheers.

Ihedinobi3:




Very well then. This will be my last answer to you. I cannot guarantee that I will ever respond to any comment that you make in my direction again after this.

First, I did not even suggest that we either have agreed on anything or that we needed to in order to have a meaningful conversation. You are quite mistaken about both thoughts. A meaningful conversation is only one where reasonable discourse is had. I have not had such a thing with you. You don't demonstrate much thoughtfulness in your responses.

Second, I did not compare religion to physics. I don't hold any brief for religion. I am a Christian. I only demonstrated the error in your thinking. If all that is required for competence in a particular area of knowledge is ability to understand the language in which that knowledge is conveyed, then of course your point is valid. If it isn't, then it isn't. That is all.

Cheers.

You have not demonstrated anything that is true.
The use of the word "if" doesn't change anything.
It is your thinking that is incorrect.
In fact,you haven't made any sense.
So,go and ask budaatum if I keep silent when people say rubbish towards me.
Even if Albert Einstein were the one saying I am wrong for no reason that I agree with,I would have told him that his brain is faulty.
Physics doesn't belong to anyone.
Being a scientist doesn't mean you have the ability to insult Hell Victorinho and remain without a verbal condemnation from him in return.
I have told budaatum that insulting me doesn't change anything.
I have described some of budaatum's posts as baseless.
If all you can do is to claim knowledge,then teach your children your goddamn claims.

Ihedinobi3, can I please require you to inform HellVictorinho of what you think of budaatum so he stops using budaatum as an indicator of that which you must accept as if budaatum were God.

buda will be most grateful. And accept my apologies for bothering you.

budaatum:
Ihedinobi3, can I please require you to inform HellVictorinho of what you think of budaatum so he stops using budaatum as an indicator of that which you must accept as if budaatum were God.

buda will be most grateful. And accept my apologies for bothering you.

I'm very sorry that you got dragged into this, but I'm quite certain that it would make no difference if I responded to him. He's not a reasonable interlocutor.

If I could offer my counsel, I would advise that you ignore him. I find that in time people like him stop bothering with you if you don't respond to them.

Myer:
The uncertainties stem from how you cant be certain about the Bible's stand on most issues.
Trinity.
Is God one God or Three Gods in One?
If God is one God, then Jesus can only be the Son of God and not God himself. Likewise the Holyspirit is God's active force and not God himself

Forget the doctrine of Trinity which itself is a doctrine put together by men, something Jesus Christ calls a lie. Instead, learn of God from the Word of God.

According to Jesus Christ, He is the Word of God... The Truth of God, the one through which God spoke everything into being that was created. You can read up on this by carefully reading through the Gospels.

Myer:
Which is the Most important?
Faith, Love, Hope, Works or Patience?
While 1 Cor 13 tells us Love is the most important.

Most important in what sense? You forgot to specify a context.

Anyways, we know that God Himself is Love and every one of His acts is Love in action.
And as far as opinions on these things go, Paul's opinion, on what is most important, is his opinion. If you do not agree, that is fine too. But where Jesus Christ is concerned, when it comes to His commandments for His followers, He spoke of love as most important when it comes to the things of God...

Matthew 22 vs 37-40(NKJV)
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37. Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’
38. This is the first and great commandment.
39. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’
40. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

...and since God Himself is Love , Jesus Christ commands love for one's enemies(going the extra mile to appease them) so that by doing so, one becomes perfect even as the Father is Perfect.

Matthew 5 vs 43-48 (ERV)
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43. “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[k] and hate your enemy.’
44. But I tell you, love your enemies. Pray for those who treat you badly.
45. If you do this, you will be children who are truly like your Father in heaven. He lets the sun rise for all people, whether they are good or bad. He sends rain to those who do right and to those who do wrong.
46. If you love only those who love you, why should you get a reward for that? Even the tax collectors do that.
47. And if you are nice only to your friends, you are no better than anyone else. Even the people who don’t know God are nice to their friends.
48. What I am saying is that you must be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

Myer:
Tells us Faith is.
Revelations 2/3 tells us it is our works God would judge.

Here is what I have personally learned in my walk so far with God. Faith is not some mental gymnastics as is popularly believed. Instead, faith is instead a collection of all the good works done in obedience to the commandments of Jesus Christ, trusting fully in the Father's lead.

God has work for everyone who believes in Him to do, and Jesus Christ never hid this fact from His followers in any way. He told them parable after parable explaining that there is indeed work to be done and every worker will be judged according to how well they do the work given them. So, yes, Faith is just as important as your works since they are not as independent of each other as many have, and continue to assume to this very moment.

Heaven is a reward available only to do who submit to the lead of the Spirit of God, obeying His commandments as a result. So, to everyone who wants to make it into the Kingdom of Heaven, that is very important.

P.S. All of Paul's letters were directed at those in the specified churches who already believed and had the Spirit of God living in them. Trying to understand one as one who has yet to understand the truth of God is like trying to climb over a high wall while in a wheelchair.