In a sense, the Yoruba slave descendants are a lot like the Fulani:

1) they do not originate from our region
2) their ancestors were slaves
3) they hijacked the land, the history and political life of the region in which they live
4) they are total sell outs to an ethnic group which they see as their master ( in case of fulanii, it is whites and Arabs but mostly Arabs, in the case of Yoruba slave descendants it is whites and fulani)

Truthshots:
In a sense, the Yoruba slave descendants are a lot like the Fulani:

1) they do not originate from our region
2) their ancestors were slaves
3) they hijacked the land, the history and political life of the region in which they live
4) they are total sell outs to an ethnic group which they see as their master ( in case of fulanii, it is whites and Arabs but mostly Arabs, in the case of Yoruba slave descendants it is whites and fulani)

You can now see why Nigeria have been unable to make meaningful progress. Those whose ancestors are foreigners have little allegiance to the nation and the original owners of the land who would have done a better job at governing the country are being conspired against.

The struggle between these two groups will inevitably lead to the restructuring of the country, those that want to siphon their region and people's wealth to Dubai, Europe and America can continue to do so while those that want to use their regions resources for development of their land and people are also allowed to do so.

LMAO! So, both Jude Igbinoba and @samuk are still nursing the hangover of the terrible flogging I inflicted on their respective bald-heads since yesterday?? Wonderful!

Anyways, although it may take time, both of you will surely eventually get over the hangover, or get used to it. Buhaha!

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Truthshots:
[s]Someone speaking the truth about Yoruba:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIporKrPsbU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2hU-ibkPfg[/s]

samuk:
[s]
You can now see why Nigeria have been unable to make meaningful progress. Those whose ancestors are foreigners have little allegiance to the nation and the original owners of the land who would have done a better job at governing the country are being conspired against.

The struggle between these two groups will inevitably lead to the restructuring of the country, those that want to siphon their region and people's wealth to Dubai, Europe and America can continue to do so while those that want to use their regions resources for development of their land and people are also allowed to do so.[/s]

Truthshots:
[s]that is one of the problems Nigeria has had since inception.
And postcolonial Nigeria is quite the reverse of postcolonial Algeria in which the traitors and uncle Toms got punished and the heroes got elevated[/s]

Truthshots:
[s]In a sense, the Yoruba slave descendants are a lot like the Fulani:

1) they do not originate from our region
2) their ancestors were slaves
3) they hijacked the land, the history and political life of the region in which they live
4) they are total sell outs to an ethnic group which they see as their master ( in case of fulanii, it is whites and Arabs but mostly Arabs, in the case of Yoruba slave descendants it is whites and fulani)[/s]

Your propaganda video as well as your own personal hallucinations have all been debunked on the other thread.

I will do it here again for the sake of completeness. Read below:

(1) Regarding your bitter lies about the trans-Atlantic slave trade, the following piece-by-piece devastating refutation should make you consider suicide again:

(A) Contrary to your ignorance, slaves were not taken from “all across Africa”. Rather, slaves were taken from Central Africa and West Africa — including Edo people raided by Ibadan invaders).

(B) Contrary to your ignorance, the Yoruba people have
been known by the name “Yoruba” in their present home for centuries prior to the commencement of the return of ex-slaves.

We know this because the process of returning ex-slaves back to West Africa didn’t begin until the late-1700s.

Whereas, there are manuscripts from the early-1600s which list Yorubas (by their name “Yoruba” ) among some of the ethnic groups of our region.

This manuscript written by Ahmed Baba in 1615 is attached below; and the name “Yoruba” is shown in red highlight among the other ethnic groups as can be seen in the original and the translation.

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This translation was prepared by John Hunwick and Fatima Harrak for The Institute of African Studies Rabat, Morocco

Oh, I should add that we know that this manuscript was written by Ahmad Baba in the year 1615 because he himself penned his date as highlighted (in the attached verso) below:

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The highlight here literally shows the wording “(the year) one thousand and twenty four (of the Hijrah)”.

When converted from this Hijri “AH” calendar into our Gregorian “AD” calendar; the year 1024 AH falls into the year 1615 AD

The formula “D = 0.9692*H + 622” proves practically useful for this conversion.

In sum, your falsehood that returned-slaves (from all across Africa) are what became known as Yorubas is nothing but a but-hurt lie from a depressed bald-head.


(C) These ex-slaves who were of West African descent and Central African descent were repatriated directly to Sierra-Leone and Liberia.

Some began a new life there, while some decided to go back to their actual homeland from which they were originally taken.

An important example here is the Bishop Samuel Adjai Crowther who was taken from Oṣoogun in present-day Oyo state.

Nobody was repatriated to south-West Nigeria, bald-head.

A number of Yorubas among the returnees chose to return back to Yorubaland — just as many others did.

(2) The only ethnic-group that I know of who were too weak to fight their way to freedom and be returned to Africa are the Edos.

And I know this is precisely where your bitterness and misery comes from. Your people were subjected fully in the Americas as the natural slaves that they are.

They couldn’t think of returning until about 400 years later when their descendants took it upon themselves to leverage on the science of Genetics as a guide to finding their way back to Benin Kingdom. See embedded video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxDve0rwQbM

The two attachments below also shows some earlier corroborative confessions made available to Bradbury by the Edos themselves.

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Cheers!

Cc: Kayberg

samuk:


You can now see why Nigeria have been unable to make meaningful progress. Those whose ancestors are foreigners have little allegiance to the nation and the original owners of the land who would have done a better job at governing the country are being conspired against.

The struggle between these two groups will inevitably lead to the restructuring of the country, those that want to siphon their region and people's wealth to Dubai, Europe and America can continue to do so while those that want to use their regions resources for development of their land and people are also allowed to do so.

that is one of the problems Nigeria has had since inception.
And postcolonial Nigeria is quite the reverse of postcolonial Algeria in which the traitors and uncle Toms got punished and the heroes got elevated.

I can say with a huge amount of confidence that Nigeria will one day be the least developed country in this world.

Truthshots:
[s]that is one of the problems Nigeria has had since inception.
And postcolonial Nigeria is quite the reverse of postcolonial Algeria in which the traitors and uncle Toms got punished and the heroes got elevated.

I can say with a huge amount of confidence that Nigeria will one day be the least developed country in this world.[/s]

Refer to my above comment for a thorough refutation of your hallucinations.

I have devastatingly debunked your fictional LIES, LIES, LIES.

samuk and his Edo miscreants on the beat....
Una don miss me abi...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7O4Ee_xSrAQ

I noticed that the timing of the ethnic desperados on nairaland trying to vent their frustration by harassing Edo people online always coincides with news like the one above. This led me to conclude the jealous desperados are only acting out their jealousy.

Descendants of slaves (yoruba) are not happy to be reminded of the nobility and authenticity of the true emperor (Oba of Benin) and his people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZswT8MYMhQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JWYQjx5teA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFZyqSULj-k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPb08VRQZvQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWuhmuQBhpA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPRYLBXKPDc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pooejD3FPm4

SuperBold:
Onitsha and Obi of Onitsha are product of Benin and by that case related to Ife.


Oni of Ife title is Onirrisha(which means owners of orishas) , there was cultural exchange between Ife and Benin.

Benin Prince founded Onitsha

Oni + Osha = Onitsha - owner of oshas(orishas)

Did the Benin Prince name the place in honor of his paternal great grandfather title (Onirrisha)?

Can we say Onitsha and Anioma are part of lost Yoruba kingdom?

This is a grey area of our history we need to study!

Tao11 tao12 Gbagura legendhero

We have Onicha in Ebonyi, Abia, Enugu and Imo

EzeNri:

We have Onicha in Ebonyi, Abia, Enugu and Imo

The problem with you and the yoribas is that you are so backward and unintelligent. It is as if logics never discovered you guys.
Quite frankly it feels like I am insulting myself by talking to people who reason like toddlers and seem to believe they are professors.

Nobody migrated from Ife, actually Ife was a small village until 1912 when the British started urbanizing it. The palace of the Oni of Ife was a dirty shrine until the 1930's when the current structure was built. All this legend around Ife is just a stupid story which all started in the 1930's. Lack of education is the only reason why some Nigerians are still talking about these cock and bull stories.
The Oni of IFA is a native doctor who the British propped up since he was ready to slave himself to them.

Truthshots:
Nobody migrated from Ife, actually Ife was a small village until 1912 when the British started urbanizing it. The palace of the Oni of Ife was a dirty shrine until the 1930's when the current structure was built. All this legend around Ife is just a stupid story which all started in the 1930's. Lack of education is the only reason why some Nigerians are still talking about these cock and bull stories.
The Oni of IFA is a native doctor who the British propped up since he was ready to slave himself to them.

These guys are not tired of their duck and bull stories. Oyo which the Yoruba like to tell us was an empire didn't receive Europeans visitors until 1826. The Alaafin of Oyo even told the white man how his predecessors paid tributes to Benin and rely on the Oba of Benin and Benin war machine to protect him and his people from their neighbours.

After the British displaced Benin in 1897, the Yorubas quickly replaced Benin with the British for their protection and became the stooge they became until the British handed over to the Hausa/Fulani. The Yoruba once again deceive their Igbo rivals into war in other to become Hausa/Fulani stooge.

The Yoruba were once under Benin, then British and now Hausa/Fulani.

Jude (aka @Truthshots), thanks for reminding us that Benin had bronzes.

Benin bronzes are unable to stand a worthy comparison with the bests from the pre-modern world.

Only the Ife bronzes can do that on the (‘black’) African continent.

Cheers!
————————
(1) William Bascom on The Ife Sculptures:
“How, in a comparatively obscure corner of this vast and backward continent, could an art and a technique have flowered that take their stand beside the best ever evolved by the elaborate civilizations of Europe and Asia?" ~ W. R. Bascom, “The Illustrated London News,” (8 April 1939), p. 592.

(2) Frank Willet on The Ife Sculptures:
“The heads were unlike any known African art, and being in a style of quasi-mensurational naturalism, had an immediate appeal to those trained in the canons of European taste. These works could be judged without condescension as works of art in their own right; they would stand comparison with anything which Ancient Egypt, Classical Greece and Rome, or Renaissance Europe had to offer". ~ Frank Willett, “Ife and Its Archaeology,” The Journal of African History, Vol. 1, No. 2 (1960), p. 239.

(3) Leo Frobenius on The Ife Sculptures:
“These meagre relics were eloquent of a symmetry, a vitality, a delicacy of form directly reminiscent of ancient Greece and a proof that, once upon a time, a race, far superior in strain to the negro, had been settled here. Here was an indication of something unquestionably exotic and the existence of an extremely ancient civilization. From the moment of this discovery onward I knew that my task in llifé [Ile-Ife] was turned in a direction I had hardly dared to expect." ~ L. Frobenius, “The Voice of Africa,” 1913, pp. 88-89.

Truthshots:
[s]Nobody migrated from Ife, actually Ife was a small village until 1912 when the British started urbanizing it. The palace of the Oni of Ife was a dirty shrine until the 1930's when the current structure was built. All this legend around Ife is just a stupid story which all started in the 1930's. Lack of education is the only reason why some Nigerians are still talking about these cock and bull stories.
The Oni of IFA is a native doctor who the British propped up since he was ready to slave himself to them.[/s]

The paper below (which depicts the Ooni as the leader of some of the most important kings in the south) was published in 1903.

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Reference:
The Editor, “Native Crowns,” Journal of the Royal African Society, Vol. 2, No. 7 (Apr., 1903), pp. 312-314.


In summary, the year 1903 is earlier than the years 1912 or 1930.

Cheers!

samuk:
These guys are not tired of their duck and bull stories. Oyo which the Yoruba like to tell us was an empire didn't receive Europeans visitors until 1826.

Anyone with, at least, one brain cell knows that Oyo-Ile was deep in the hinterland; no where near the coast; and as such poses more risk for the Europeans to access in the early centuries.

The risk here being the risk of death from such illnesses that are characteristic feature of the deep expanse of forest which they must navigate.

I have disgraced you on this before. Do you like to be disgraced repeatedly?

The Alaafin of Oyo even told the white man how his predecessors paid tributes to Benin and rely on the Oba of Benin and Benin war machine to protect him and his people from their neighbours.

This has been thoroughly debunked as an aberrantly false interpretation by Dennett. See link for details.

https://www.nairaland.com/6291440/benin-remain-center-west-africa/1#96792413

After the British displaced Benin in 1897, the Yorubas quickly replaced Benin with the British for their protection and became the stooge they became until the British handed over to the Hausa/Fulani. The Yoruba once again deceive their Igbo rivals into war in other to become Hausa/Fulani stooge.

The Yoruba were once under Benin, then British and now Hausa/Fulani.

Benin hallucinations are allowed.

To any Yoruba whom is tired of being lied to by his kinsmen. I can answer your questions truthfully and educate you on the true passed of your ancestors. You can't honour the latter if you don't know their true history.
You can't unbound yourself from your slave mentality and bloodline unless you learn the true history of your people and stop hiding behind crooked story tellers whom are selling you a pipe dream.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2hU-ibkPfg

TAO11:
Anyone with at least, one brain cell knows that Oyo-Ile was deep in the hinterland; no where near the coast; and as such poses more risk for the Europeans to access in the early centuries.

The specific risk here being the risk of death from natural illnesses which are characteristic feature of the deep expanse of forest they must navigate.

I have disgraced you on this before. Do you like to be disgraced repeatedly?


This has been thoroughly debunked as an aberrantly false interpretation Dennett.

https://www.nairaland.com/6291440/benin-remain-center-west-africa/1#96792413

Benin hallucinations are allowed.

Please do not blame them for preaching these lies, that is what they are being fed, and that is why they do not have facts to back up their claims...Go to their Facebook groups; they even claimed that they ruled the whole Congo (I am not joking). When I saw this propaganda printed, I was very shocked that they all believed it with fake gregorian dates.

Please read the Benin Expedition of 1897. How come a "strong kingdom" was destroyed in a few days? The Oba escaped to Calabar. The British soldiers were just a few part-time explorers.

Ekealterego:

Please do not blame them for preaching these lies, that is what they are being fed, and that is why they do not have facts to back up their claims...Go to their Facebook groups; they even claimed that they ruled up the whole Congo (I am not joking). When I saw this propaganda printed, I was very shocked that they all believed it with fake gregorian dates.

That’s hilarious! I’ve actually never heard of their Congo delusions before sha. These Binis are actually lunatics waiting to roam.

Anyways, they believe that their Oba ruled from Benin city to Japan — Yes, Japan. I’m not kidding. So if their delusions cover Japan, then Congo is child’s play for their delusions. So, I agree absolutely.

Please read the Benin Expedition of 1897. How come a "strong kingdom" was destroyed in a few days? The Oba escaped to Calabar. The British soldiers were just a few part-time explorers.

He actually escaped to live in the forest. But was later banished to Calabar after he came out of hiding.

Truthshots:
[s]To any Yoruba whom is tired of being lied to by his kinsmen. I can answer your questions truthfully and educate you on the true passed of your ancestors. You can't honour the latter if you don't know their true history.
You can't unbound yourself from your slave mentality and bloodline unless you learn the true history of your people and stop hiding behind crooked story tellers whom are selling you a pipe dream.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2hU-ibkPfg[/s]

Refer to my longer comment above for an embarrassing and thorough refutation of both your propaganda video and your personal hallucinations.

I have devastatingly debunked your fictions as nothing but LIES, LIES, LIES.

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TAO11:
That’s hilarious! I’ve actually never heard of their Congo delusions before sha. These Binis are actually lunatics waiting to roam.

Anyways, they believe that their Oba ruled from Benin city to Japan — Yes, Japan. I’m not kidding. So if their delusions cover Japan, then Congo is child’s play for their delusions. So, I agree absolutely.

He actually escaped to live in the forest. But was later banished to Calabar after he cam out of hiding.

Japan? please, tell me you are joking! Did they use British Airways or Royal Air Maroc? These guys are hilarious I swear!
I will not doubt that you saw Japan... Please, go to their group on Facebook, Great Bini descendants.. You will laugh and fall on the floor. They churn up these fake histories every day with fake dates. People whose grandfathers do not even know their date of birth were claiming history from 200 B.C Bro, no jokes!!

What makes it funnier is that all their "Almost literate" followers believe the fables... I swear men!

Ekealterego:

Japan? please, tell me you are joking! Did they use British Airways or Royal Air Maroc? These guys are hilarious I swear!
I will not doubt that you saw Japan... Please, go to their group on Facebook, Great Bini descendants.. You will laugh and fall on the floor. They churn up these fake histories every day with fake dates. People whose grandfathers do not even know their date of birth were claiming history from 200 B.C Bro, no jokes!!

What makes it funnier is that all their "Almost literate" followers believe the fables... I swear men!

I’m not kidding you about their delusions of ruling Japan.

Their reason lies in the fact that an old Japanese city used to be called ‘Edo’.

For them, that coincidence of roman orthography is all that matters to blow their delusions of ruling Japan.

Imagine if Oyo-Yoruba people claimed that Oyo ruled up to Australia — just on the basis of the roman orthography of an Australian city by the name ‘Katunga’ which is coincidentally the same orthography for the old name of Oyo-Ile, viz. ‘Katunga’.

Like I said before, Binis are actually lunatics waiting to roam the streets.

TAO11:
I’m not kidding you about their delusions of ruling Japan.

Their reason lies in the fact that an old Japanese city used to be called ‘Edo’. So, that coincidence of oman orthography is all that matters to Bini lunatics to blow their usual delusions.

Imagine if Oyo-Yoruba people claimed that Oyo ruled up to Australia — just on the basis of a coincidence of roman orthography of an Australian city by the name ‘Katunga’ which is councidentally the same spelling for the old name of Oyo-Ile, viz. ‘Katunga’

Like I said before, Binis are actually lunatics waiting to roam the streets.

I hate to say this, but I believe they suffer a minority complex. They feel so small and vulnerable... However, the way they are going about this whole thing eh, it is not normal anymore, and it gets even crazier with time.

I believe a day before yesterday, this same guy had to report a thread that did not even involve them... He came with spurious Bini claims as usual and he was destroyed with facts. He went crying to the mods and reported that people are planning to annihilate Bini people, that was how the thread that did not even concern Bini was closed. A 20-page long thread...
If you beat him with more facts, he will go crying to the mods to close this thread.

Ekealterego:

I hate to say this, but I believe they suffer a minority complex. They feel so small and vulnerable... However, the way they are going about this whole thing eh, it is not normal anymore, and it gets even crazier with time.

I believe a day before yesterday, this same guy had to report a thread that did not even involve them... He came with spurious Bini claims as usual and he was destroyed with facts. He went crying to the mods and reported that people are planning to annihilate Bini people, that was how the thread that did not even concern Bini was closed. A 20-page long thread...
If you beat him with more facts, he will go crying to the mods to close this thread.

I agree! Their collective mental disorder actually centers largely around the ‘minority complex’.

Yes has done that severally. He usually pulls one of three cards whenever he gets thoroughly beaten with facts.

He either, reports to the mods that Benin is being bullied; or he deactivates his account; or he threatens that he would commit suicide if I don’t stop.

TAO11:
I agree! Their collective mental disorder actually centers largely around the ‘minority complex’.

Yes has done that severally. He usually pulls one of three cards whenever he gets thoroughly beaten with facts.

He either, report to the mods that Benin is being bullied; or he deactivates his account; or he threatens that he would commit suicide if I don’t stop.

Suicide? I have seen a lot of tantrums from these guys. I have seen one who claimed that Yorubas and Igbos who claimed that his life is being destroyed when he was presented with facts. Honestly, I do not understand this disorder.
Suicide? ahh!!! This takes the crown!
Minority complex disorder is actually a thing mehn.