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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Fezz: 3:28pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
TAO11: Your sarcasm makes it difficult to understand your posts. Try to tone it down a bit, because it makes your posts boring. Sincerely, I hardly go through the full length of your comments because it's just boring everything. Word of advice, always go straight to your points and stop using sarcasm to derail your readers. It's just so boring and you are killing all the fun. Sad! 3 Likes
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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 3:33pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
Fezz:Sounds like a great way to hide your shame from that devastating refutation. Do NOT keep it up. Cc: Juliusmalema, Gbajure 3 Likes
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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Fezz: 3:34pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
TAO11: Well.. says the guy that I responded to, claiming that the entire Benin people are yoruba. It's no longer the Benin royal house he wants to claim, it's now the entire Benin populace. Very funny! You and your yoruba brothers should go and hijack another tribe because Benin is out of your league. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 3:39pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
Fezz:Yoruba people are allowed to be wrong (in peace) — a concept evidently alien to Benin people. IF that specifically is what he said, then he is wrong on that. The Binis generally are NOT Yorubas. However, the present-day ruling house of Benin is of the Ife-Yoruba uninterrupted paternal genealogical line — as well as a couple of other Bini families here and there. Cc: joefelin2345 4 Likes |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by KingOKON: 3:53pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
TAO11:. Bobrisky hw far? So, if the says he is of Oranmiyan which means you believe Oranmiyan is no fiction, don't you? |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Fezz: 3:58pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
TAO11: You are probably not aware of this but I urge you to go and make your own research. Olotun was one of the people that followed izoduwa from Ughoton to ile-ife and he was told to follow oranmiyan back to Ubini which he did. Till today the Olotun family (royal chief) in Benin link their ancestry home to Ughoton and they are a living witness to the izoduwa movement from ughoton to Ife. Do your research and stop playing around on Nairaland |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 4:00pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
KingOKON:The links below are where you should be at the moment. Oya, alale! https://www.nairaland.com/6510453/warri-succession-crisis-oba-benin/35#100966309 https://www.nairaland.com/6510453/warri-succession-crisis-oba-benin/36#100966666 2 Likes |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 4:02pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
Fezz:CRAP! You haven’t yet ‘proven’ your forged and debunked Izoduwa fiction, yet you’re here compounding more problem on it for yourself. Whatever happened to making life easy for yourself. Whatever happened to proving your own claim. Read up ONE book I beg of you. ———————— SUMMARY: (1) Ekaladerhan, the founder of the Ughoton Kingdom had absolutely nothing to do with Ile-Ife. ~ This is per the earliest documention of Ekaladerhan by Mr. Cyril Punch in the 1880s. (2) There is no historical personage called Izoduwa (or Idoduwa, or Imadoduwa, or Omonoyan). ~ These are all names coined in the 1970s in the course of the forgery of a new Ekalederhan story. Know this, know truth. Except that truth doesn’t matter to Benin people. Cheers! 2 Likes |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Fezz: 4:35pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
TAO11: The land was actually named Iwerre by the benins later corrupted to "warri" and the king was known as Ogiamie (king of waters). In recent times the king is called Olu and it is derived from Olua which was derived from his father's name. Ginuwa died at ijilla (in warri) when they were still wondering before finally reaching today's ode itsekiri. Ginuwas son known as Ijijen named the land Itsekiri. As you can see, Benin is written all over itsekiri despite the fact that majority of them speak yorabanoid language mixed with a bit of edoid and Portuguese. 1 Like |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 4:42pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
I think you just enjoy being flogged by me. You’ve been jumping from one flogging to another. Yet you can’t substantiate any of your Nollywood script below with historical evidence — NOT from Edo blogs. Fezz: The earliest known eyewitness accounts collected from the Itsekirs by their European contacts do attest to their Yoruba origin, root, and heritage. (1) Quoting from the eyewitness account of Captain H. L. Gallwey in his “Journeys in the Benin Country”: “Let me now refer briefly to the tribes that people this part of the world. First we come to the Jakris, who are connected in race and language with the Yoruba people, extending from the Mahin country on the west to the Forcados on the East, and inland about as far as Sapele.” Reference: H. L. Gallwey, “Journeys in the Benin Country, West Africa,” The Geographical Journal, Vol. 1, No. 2 (Feb., 1893), p.127. (2) Quoting from H. Ling Roth’s (1903) report obtained from the eyewitnesses of the late 1800s: “In this respect, however, the officials agree with the tradition of the people at Warri, the Jekries, who claim to come from the west.” Reference: H. Ling Roth, “Great Benin: Its Customs, Arts and Horrors,” (1903), pp.8-9. (3) Itsekiris duly present at their Yoruba-Oduduwa rally at Ibadan a couple of days ago. www.nairaland.com/attachments/13414590_whatsappimage20210417at13_22_59_jpeg_jpeg2cb85cbc151423af2338b7f4a26927e9 Cc: ogbonti 3 Likes |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by dreu2fine(m): 4:56pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
ogbonti:how come the name ogiame was given |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 5:31pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
dreu2fine:(1) The title “Ogiame” is a Bini word introduced to Itsekiri land through Iginuwa — the Benin prince who became the first Olu of Itsekiri. (2) Having said that, the general Itsekiri populace admit to being of Yoruba origin. Also, the Itsekiri royal house itself admits to have its own ancestral root from Ife, through Benin. This explains the Bini acculturation which gave rise to the presence of Bini words like Ogiame among Itsekiris. (3) All kingdoms descended from the Yorubas do make use of two nouns to describe its monarch — a ‘proper noun,’ and a ‘common noun’ For example: (A) The ancient kingdom of IFE describes its monarch using two Yoruba nouns, viz. (I) “Oba” (a ‘common noun’ which literally means “the overlord” usually rendered approximately as “king”.) (II) “Ooni” (a ‘proper noun’ which literally means “the possessor”.) (B) The kingdom of OYO describes its monarch using two Yoruba nouns, viz. (I) “Oba” (a ‘common noun’ which literally means “the overlord,” usually rendered approximately as “king”.) (II) “Alaafin” (a ‘proper noun’ which literally means “the preeminent-owner of the palace” (C) The kingdom of ADO (now Benin city) does describe its monarch using a Yoruba word and a Bini-ish word respectively as follows: (I) “Oba” (a ‘common noun’ which literally means “the overlord,” usually rendered approximately as “king”.) (II) “Omonoba” (a ‘proper noun’ which literally means “the overlord’s child”. (D) The kingdom of ODE-ITSEKIRI describes its monarch using Yoruba and Bini words respectively as follows: (I) “Olu” (a ‘common noun’ which literally means “the premier,” usually rendered approximately as “lord”.) (II) “Ogiame” (a ‘proper noun’ which literally means “the ruler of the [semi-]aquatic [terrain]”.) Cc: ogbonti, Juliusmalema, nisai. 7 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by KingOKON: 7:51pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
TAO11:. Our chitchat is just startin, we were testing the mic all this while now is the time bring all myths, folklores, hearsays, fallacies into the arena of logic to see if common sense will prevail You have established the fact that he claims Oranmiyan descendent, if the Oba is human and very well real can we say so for Oranmiyan? Who is Oranmiyan, fairytale or no fairytale? ** time for intellectual discourse, Riskybobo ** |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 8:22pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
KingOKON:https://www.nairaland.com/6510453/warri-succession-crisis-oba-benin/35#100966309 https://www.nairaland.com/6510453/warri-succession-crisis-oba-benin/36#100966666 |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Edeyoung: 8:24pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 8:33pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
Oh ye @Edeyoung (aka @gregyboy), how many times must your A.F.C. Ryder screenshot be debunked before you feel ashamed of yourself ?? Edeyoung: Please point out one statement of fact/certainty from your A.F.C. Ryder 1965 screenshot. I would wait. While I’m waiting, refer carefully to the page below for a citation of A.F.C. Ryder 1969, p.31. — 4 years later. www.nairaland.com/attachments/13410825_d068e656589b4bbbb298a34dd1d5cdcc_jpeg_jpeg60c0b8c88f425856c2f91ce1774288a0 Cheers! Cc: Fezz 3 Likes |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Edeyoung: 8:34pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
Fezz: Are you aware the benin-ife Oduduwa myth never existed in the first place Youre arguing over a myth used to united edo and yorubas as brothers after amalgamation for political benefit.... Take your time and read benin old document if you find oromiyan or ife(uhe) call me bastard On the otherhand Truthshots2 i made a proposal to u d other day you refuse to reply me |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 8:36pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
Edeyoung aka gregyboy; PhD Dumb Revisionism Edeyoung: https://www.nairaland.com/6510453/warri-succession-crisis-oba-benin/37#101032103 Cc: Fezz 1 Like |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Edeyoung: 8:38pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
TAO11: You really want me to make you cry again by asking you for written historical evidence .....
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Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Edeyoung: 8:40pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
TAO11: I curse you, your obsession will lead you to mental insanity unless you're telling the truth |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 8:40pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
Oh ye @Edeyoung (aka @gregyboy), how many times must your A.F.C. Ryder screenshot be debunked before you feel ashamed of yourself ?? Edeyoung: Please point out one statement of fact/certainty from your A.F.C. Ryder 1965 screenshot. I would wait. While I’m waiting, refer carefully to the page below for a citation of A.F.C. Ryder 1969, p.31. — 4 years later. www.nairaland.com/attachments/13410825_d068e656589b4bbbb298a34dd1d5cdcc_jpeg_jpeg60c0b8c88f425856c2f91ce1774288a0 Cheers! Cc: Fezz 1 Like |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 8:42pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
Cry me five different oceans oh you Edeyoung aka gregyboy; PhD Dumb Revisionism Edeyoung: https://www.nairaland.com/6510453/warri-succession-crisis-oba-benin/37#101032103 Cc: Fezz 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by KingOKON: 8:49pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
TAO11:. Don't be a chicken the lecture is just commencing, let's decipher how a man can be the son of a myth. Or do you take parables literally, come out and speak baby |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 8:52pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
Take it up with your Omonoba on why you think his fore-father is a cartoon. LMAO! KingOKON: https://www.nairaland.com/6510453/warri-succession-crisis-oba-benin/35#100966309 https://www.nairaland.com/6510453/warri-succession-crisis-oba-benin/36#100966666 2 Likes |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by KingOKON: 9:04pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
TAO11:. Which d spiritual head of all omulabis claims to be his too, so can we conclude that the Ooni who was once a showboy and original Casanova is in one accord with the Oba |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 9:11pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
(1) Since you strongly believe that your own oba is descended from a cartoon. Then, take it up with him. (2) We don’t think our own obas are descended from cartoons. So, we have no similar case against our obas. Case-closed! Why are you facing me? Face the palace of Benin kingdom. KingOKON: https://www.nairaland.com/6510453/warri-succession-crisis-oba-benin/35#100966309 https://www.nairaland.com/6510453/warri-succession-crisis-oba-benin/36#100966666 2 Likes |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by KingOKON: 9:38pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
TAO11:. Very good we are getting somewhere, so Oranmiyan who to the Oba is a mere cartoon came to Ile Ife and played a joke using parable and you are salivating Yours Obas never descended from Cartoon but they have one of if not the most scattered/controversial of origin one can read about like this Oranmiyan of a thing and you don't want to rack your Bobrisky brain over it so that common sense can get hold if it permanently Case never close, very fresh and delicious |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Edeyoung: 9:45pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
TAO11: Lol, Anybody Truthshots2 please i dont know if you have a copy of afc ryder benin and the europeans 1969 Seems you need to purchase them.... TAO11, how did you get a copy of that, i guess the country you're made it available for you free Anyway if you have the copy of it please i want you to send it here for download or i can give you my email you can aend it to Secondly Afc ryder admitted that scholars now identify the ogane as ooni of ife now get the English afc ryder didn't himself agrees to this various notion of the scholars he only pointed out that scholars admitted to it for clarity sake, if he had admitted to this acceptance he would make it open there and instantly debunked his old works Use your brain....... Please any further discussion on this would regard first you summit a copy of that very work for proper review If you curse your family for being poor that would not be my businesses |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 9:58pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
You Benin people usually love to be humiliated. Now you want me to dedicate a 3rd round of humiliation to you right? KingOKON:You and Ewuare-2 ?? It’s like you don’t know where Benin palace is. [s]so Oranmiyan who to the Oba is a mere cartoon came to Ile Ife and played a joke using parable and you are salivating[/s].According to who is Oranmiyan a mere cartoon?? I’m sure your slave-master (Ewuare-2) does NOT agree with you on this. Yours Obas never descended from CartoonBecause humans don’t descend from cartoons. Yes that must be a great piece of news to you. I know. but they have one of if not the most scattered/controversial of origin one can read about like this Oranmiyan of a thing and you don't want to rack your Bobrisky brain over it so that common sense can get hold if it permanentlyYes, bits and pieces of divergent details is typical of the history of all pre-literate cultures. But the core theme is generally the same. ‘Except,’ of course, in a kingdom where their elders sit down to agree together upon a modern-day fabrication. I didn’t mention the name of the kingdom oo. Case never close, very fresh and deliciousIF you have a quarter of the IQ which you assume you already have; then you would have long realized that you’re dealing with an individual who is light years ahead of you in almost everything. You’re too ret.arded to have quickly realized this. You will realize it very late when you’ve been so humiliated to have gathered enough negative fame on Nairaland. 5 Likes |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Fezz: 10:04pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
TAO11: TAO.. how I wish you can just remove your pride and listen to the foundational history of the Benin people via this link. It explains everything concerning Oghene and Uhe, and if you scroll to time stamp 45'min it talks about the origin of Ubini which we talked about earlier today. The truth is this, only the Benin historians can unluck the true origin of yoruba's ancestral fathers, only if you are submissive enough to work together with Benin historians without any form of pride. Only an elder can know the true history of his younger ones and this is the case between the Benins and the yoruba. If you have enough data watch this link from beginning to the end of the programme and I assure you that all your curiosity regarding Oghene will be squashed. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=807366949879822&id=103448881059615&anchor_composer=false |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by TAO11(f): 10:20pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
Edeyoung:You’re an irredeemable dullard. The words of that attachment (shown again below) are NOT Ryder’s words. www.nairaland.com/attachments/13410825_d068e656589b4bbbb298a34dd1d5cdcc_jpeg_jpeg60c0b8c88f425856c2f91ce1774288a0 Rather, those are the words of another scholar who is simply citing Ryder 1969 (in footnote 67) as an example of scholars who identify the Ogane (Oghene) as the Ooni of Ife. In other words, A. F. C. Ryder’s position changed from his guess of 1965 to his firm conclusion of 1969. Others who confirmed that Ryder later abandoned his guess of 1965 in his later work of 1969 are Professors Elizabeth A. Isichei and Peter U. Isichei. [s]Please any further discussion on this would regard first you summit a copy of that very work for proper review •••[/s]If you threaten your parents with suicide, they will surely buy you the book no matter how poor they are. My duty is not to buy you books (that’s your parent’s duty), my duty is to cite you full detailed references. I have done that for you. Adam Knobler has done that for you. E. A. Isichei has done for you. P. U. Isichei has done that for you. See below for the detailed reference once again: Alan F. C. Ryder, “Benin and the Europeans, 1485-1897,” (New York: Humanities Press, 1969) p. 31. Now it is your parents’s to turn to do their part. Hold them tightly, and they will buy you the book. Or are they so poor? 4 Likes |
Re: Warri Succession Crisis: Oba Of Benin Wades In, Meets Ologbotsere by Fezz: 10:23pm On Apr 22, 2021 |
Edeyoung: The Oba thinks otherwise and I agree with him. It's only best you believe in the Ekelederan/oduduwa history because it is very plausible.Ekelederan is the originator of yoruba kings and time will expose everything. Kindly remind me of the proposal, I probably didn't see it. |
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