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"Easter Gift:"the Christian God:Blood and Human Sacrifice" is written by "LagosShia" and sharing and reproducing this material is free and acceptable by me for the sake of Almighty God).

[size=18pt]"Easter Gift: “the Christian God: Blood And Human Sacrifice”[/size]

It is of great amazement to know that men of knowledge and intellect and particularly professionals who believe in Christianity do celebrate human sacrifice and the shedding of an innocent human being’s blood to mark the so called redemption of humanity. If the god of Christianity can carry out human sacrifice then what is the difference between Christianity and tradition African religions which support human sacrifice? In our world of today, upon hearing the term “human sacrifice”, everyone freaks out and considers it barbaric. On the other hand, Christians up to this day annually commemorates human sacrifice and in fact have made it the basic and most fundamental tenet of their faith that without it there would be no Christianity.

1 Corinthians 15
And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

Galatians 2:21
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.


In Christianity “human sacrifice” is God’s “grace” while the same people would continue to condemn traditional religions if they employ human sacrifice. Why the double standard since “human sacrifice” is “human sacrifice”. Is it not time for Christians with intellect and logic to identify the barbarity involved in celebrating Easter and all that connects to the alleged killing of Jesus (human sacrifice)? Should governments around the world not stop the commemoration of such barbaric practice commemorating what is believed to be a father killing his own son and offering him as a sacrifice? And come to think of it, can God, the universal Supreme Being and the almighty who possesses all and everything, sacrifice anything? Can God sacrifice anything? Do you really know the meaning of “sacrifice”? To sacrifice means to give up or abandon something. Does your God who owns everything and made everything and can also destroy everything be in the position of humans to sacrifice anything? Is it true that God can give up something and loses it? It’s not impossible and “sacrifice” is not compatible with the concept and belief of an Almighty God who is universal, the beginner of everything and the bringer to an end of everything.


In the same bible that Christians hold as holy we find verses denouncing human sacrifice and also denouncing parents sacrificing their children. But here we have Christians hypocritically accepting and celebrating their “heavenly father” killing his “son” to neutralize sin a mysterious sin that they themselves did not commit but one attributed to Adam in the name of “original sin”. The same bible does inform us that sin cannot be passed through from one person to another nor can it be inherited:

Ezekiel 18:20
20The soul that sinned, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father; neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

IF GOD IN THE OLD TESTAMENT DENOUNCES HUMAN SACRIFICE AND HE ALSO DENOUNCES PARENTS WHO SACRIFICE THEIR CHILDREN AND HE ABORTED ABRAHAM’S SLAUGHTERING OF HIS SON (SINCE IT WAS ONLY MEANT TO BE A TEST),THEN WHY DO CHRISTIANS AND THEIR NEW TESTAMENT PRESCRIBE TO GOD WHAT HE HAS REJECTED?

Deuteronomy 12:31
31Thou shall not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hates, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.

From the above God considers sacrificing your children as an abomination, yet Christians ascribe that same abomination to God, sacrificing his own “son”!


Deuteronomy 18:9-12

When you enter the land that GOD, your God, is giving you, don't take on the abominable ways of life of the nations there. Don't you dare sacrifice your son or daughter in the fire. Don't practice divination, sorcery, fortunetelling, witchery, casting spells, holding séances, or channeling with the dead. People who do these things are an abomination to GOD. It's because of just such abominable practices that GOD, your God, is driving these nations out before you.

Now how dare you ascribe an abomination to God? Didn’t God see in the above that sacrificing one’s own child is an abomination?


Leviticus 18:21
"Don't give any of your children to be burned in sacrifice to the god Molech—an act of sheer blasphemy of your God. I am GOD.

When someone sacrifices his own son, God sees it as blasphemy. Then how can you blaspheme by ascribing blasphemy to God Himself what God sees as blasphemy?

WAS JESUS A WILLING “SACRIFICE”?

Let us examine the narration of how sorrowful and freigtened Jesus was and obviously was not ready nor willing to die for your sin:

Matthew 26:36-47
36Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gethsemane, and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder.
37And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy.
38Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.
39And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
40And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?
41Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
42He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.
43And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy.


Compare the sorrow and fear Jesus expressed and the joy or at least readiness of soldiers who are willing to die.dont you dare come up and tell me he (Jesus) was human.i don’t even want to go into the question of whether Jesus was human or god or both.the fact is those willing to die are not gods but men.God does not die;gods die and hence they are false!if you can find men willing to die or at least willing to honor their agreement to sacrifice themselves for the truth,Jesus should no less be as strong as them.we read further:

Luke 22:44
And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.

Fear? Not only that he was sweating and weeping. He was sweating as if they were “great drops of blood”. Why all that? Was it because Jesus was willing to die? Or was it because he was not willing to die? Tell me!

Matthew 27:45-46
Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? That is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Forsaken? The “son” is complaining to his “dad” that his “dad” had forsaken him and here you are telling me he was “willing” to die!

CAN A “CURSE” REDEEM HUMANITY?

Galatians 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

So the Christian god did not only slay his son,he did not only “sacrifice” his son” and he did not only performed human sacrifice,but he allowed his son to be cursed!a cursed “son of god”?is that the gift that Christianity has to offer humanity?thanks but no thanks!

WHERE DO CURSED PEOPLE GO INTO AND WAS JESUS REALLY “KILLED” OR “CRUCIFIED” AND BECOME “CURSED”?

Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

From the above verse, it is either Jesus is lying that he will drive the cursed ones away since he himself has become cursed according to Galatians 3:13 and he too must be driven away or Jesus is saying the truth that he will drive the cursed ones away because Jesus was never killed or cursed!


Deuteronomy 21:23
His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shall in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

An accursed messiah, prophet and “son of god”?impossible! He could never have being killed and therefore he never “died” for your sins (thus no human sacrifice” and therefore no resurrection!

With all the crying and weeping of Jesus, Christians hold that Jesus was killed and therefore become “cursed” as a human sacrifice that “died” for their sin”. Is that how a loving God (your so called “heavenly father”) treats his beloved son? Do Christian fathers sacrifice their sons and give them up to save the wicked and those who have committed atrocities? Is it just to punish the innocent in the place of the criminal?

Deuteronomy 24:16
The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

WAS JESUS REALLY KILLED?

The Holy Quran replies and the choice is yours:

“He (Jesus) was neither killed nor crucified”(Holy Quran 4:157-158)

So will you Christians continue to justify human sacrifice when all evidence point and work against it? The choice is indeed yours to make!


Major Yeats-Brown, in his “Life of a Bengal Lancer”, summarises the Christian Doctrine of the Atonement in just a single sentence:

“NO HEATHEN TRIBE HAS CONCEIVED SO GROTESQUE AN IDEA, INVOLVING AS IT DOES THE ASSUMPTION, THAT MAN WAS BORN WITH A HEREDITARY STAIN UPON HIM: AND THAT THIS STAIN (FOR WHICH HE WAS NOT PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE) WAS TO BE ATONED FOR: AND THAT THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS HAD TO SACRIFICE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON TO NEUTRALISE THIS MYSTERIOUS CURSE.”

for further reading,read Ahmad Deedat's:"cruci-fiction or crucifixion":

http://www.institutealislam.com/crucifixion-or-crucifiction-by-sheikh-ahmed-deedat/

PLEASE YOU CAN ALSO WATCH THE FOLLOWING:

1.) "Easter - A Muslim Viewpoint " - by Ahmed Deedat - 1999 - English:


http://www.shiatv.net/view_video.php?viewkey=79c863ba65467986739c


2.) " Refuting the Original Sin & Crucifixion" -By Hassanain Rajabali " :


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqAy0805dFQ

JOHN 8:44
Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

You have started with your inciting thread again right?

BTW come to think of it. Theres currently violence going in northern Nigeria where innocent bloods are daily being sacrificed becaosue of power hunger by a strong muslim. which do u think is worse? Life of j[b]ust one man Jesus[/b] being laid down willing to save humanity in general and the killing of innocent people in hundreds cos of Election?

Come to think of it the people killing others in the north are muslims calling GEJ a christian a believer of Go[/b]d an unbeliever, sacrificing lives in hundreds out of desperation and shouting [b]Allah Ak bar whilst killing innocent future leaders youth corps members that went to serve their father land, burning churches and burning human beings.

Op tell us which is worse and which one u think would please God.

jesus.:

You have started with your inciting thread again right?

BTW come to think of it. Theres currently violence going in northern Nigeria where innocent bloods are daily being sacrificed becaosue of power hunger by a strong muslim. which do u think is worse? Life of j[b]ust one man Jesus[/b] being laid down willing to save humanity in general and the killing of innocent people in hundreds cos of Election?

Come to think of it the people killing others in the north are muslims calling GEJ a christian a believer of Go[/b]d an unbeliever, sacrificing lives in hundreds out of desperation and shouting [b]Allah Ak bar whilst killing innocent future leaders youth corps members that went to serve their father land, burning churches and burning human beings.

Op tell us which is worse and which one u think would please God.

what is inciting about stating and listing bible verses? are you saying bible verses are inciting?

this thread is on religion and not on politics.read the opening post well Jesus was never a "willing sacrifice".see the verses also stated (Matthew 26:36-47,Luke 22:44,Matthew 27:45-46).

note that no less than 5 million muslims voted for Jonathan in the north.note that muslims in the middle belt and the south-west also voted for Jonathan.without the muslim votes Jonathan could have lost.people can shout all they want and cause violence and claim to be religious.the fact is the north does not represent me nor does it represent all muslims or islam.those causing mayhem represent themselves only.get that straight.

i can now see the level of your thinking.you're comparing fallible men and illitrates causing mayhem and taking innocent lives with your god who killed his innocent "son" and turned him into a curse as the bible states that those crucified are cursed (Galatians 3:13,Deuteronomy 21:23).



my advice to you is to read the above article very well.and if you got no serious and intellectual response,keep quiet.dont waste my time.

LagosShia:



what is inciting about stating and listing bible verses? are you saying bible verses are inciting?

Really? U guys are some what deceptive and the main motive behind ur thread is simply to attack and incite. Very common attribute of u Lagosshia or Shiamuslim which is ur other ID

LagosShia:

this thread is on religion and not on politics.read the opening post well Jesus was never a "willing sacrifice".see the verses also stated (Matthew 26:36-47,Luke 22:44,Matthew 27:45-46).

I laugh at the above qoute. I'll have to educate u a great deal mr. Let me start with this


Mark 10 vs 45: For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
and also John 10


Joh:10:11: I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
Joh:10:12: But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
Joh:10:13: The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
Joh:10:14: I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Joh:10:15: As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Joh:10:16: And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Joh:10:17: Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Joh:10:18: No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.


Pls take note of verses 17 and 18. U muslims know absolutely nothing and really needs to be taught and shown the light. Mr can u now see that u erred? Mohammad ur prophet like the sacrificial character in all its facets of life

I hope u ve learnt that Jesus willing laid down his life in consonance with the will of God to save man kind

LagosShia:

note that no less than 5 million muslims voted for Jonathan in the north.note that muslims in the middle belt and the south-west also voted for Jonathan.without the muslim votes Jonathan could have lost.people can shout all they want and cause violence and claim to be religious.the fact is the north does not represent me nor does it represent all muslims or islam.those causing mayhem represent themselves only.get that straight.

Quit being a hypocrite mr man. The pple killing innocent pple in the north aren't muslims? Were they not referring to GEJ as an unbeliever even though is a Christian? So Gej would have been left alone if he converts to islam to accept Mohammad? Rubbish nonsensical. THe battle some how has religious undertone. Why would they call him an unbeliever saying ' an unbeliver in person of GEJ should not be allowed to rule them. Isn't that religiously motivated battle? Why would Buhari a muslim say during his campaign that 'any muslim that voted for Gej has sinned against islam and God? Try if u are reasonable to link these antecedents i laid to the current crises and tell me if it doesn't correlate. Why would only churches be burnt? Did u whatch Tv to see human beings dead body as a sacrifice by ur fellow pathetic Almajiri muslims.

If u have the fear of ur so calledf Allah, u would speak against the acts of ur fellow muslims sacrifising innocent lives. Of course mohammad did more atrocities than these reading through his numerous and adulteruos life stlye especially during the battle of Badr that was fought when there shoulnt be blood shed.

You need to be educated mr man.

LagosShia:

i can now see the level of your thinking.you're comparing fallible men and illitrates causing mayhem and taking innocent lives with your god who killed his innocent "son" and turned him into a curse as the bible states that those crucified are cursed (Galatians 3:13,Deuteronomy 21:23).

Like i did educated u above. God didnt kill his innocent son. Jesus willingly laid down his life to bring about reconciliation of God and man which sin caused separation. Let me ask u who is a messiah? was referred to in the Koran as a messiah or not? did the quran say Jesus was coming back or not? If the answers to the latter are Yes then u should know she was on a mission mr man as it is being attested to in ur quran

LagosShia:

my advice to you is to read the above article very well.and if you got no serious and intellectual response,keep quiet.dont waste my time.

Well i see that u need to be educated and i promise to oblige u with info even about ur quran. The trash u posted above is mis represented and misunderstood by ur self which i promise to educate u on. If u are serious, i'm also available for u

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ jesus is here. he is defending or are you denying the verses above?

jesus.:

Really? U guys are some what deceptive and the main motive behind your thread is simply to attack and incite. Very common attribute of u Lagosshia or Shiamuslim which is your other ID

thanks god-forsaken one!

I laugh at the above qoute. I'll have to educate u a great deal mr. Let me start with this


Mark 10 vs 45: For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
and also John 10


Joh:10:11: I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
Joh:10:12: But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
Joh:10:13: The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
Joh:10:14: I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
Joh:10:15: As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Joh:10:16: And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
Joh:10:17: Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Joh:10:18: No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.


Pls take note of verses 17 and 18. U muslims know absolutely nothing and really needs to be taught and shown the light. Mr can u now see that u erred? Mohammad your prophet like the sacrificial character in all its facets of life

the point of the thread and its essence is the fact that according to you "human sacrifice" did take place and that is wrong according to other places in the bible.human sacrifice is barbaric and wrong no matter how sweet you are taught to sugarcoat it and make it look like the best thing that can happen to humanity.your god who uses human sacrifice is no better than the pagan religions who carry out that deed.face it.you can call it love or grace or whatever,that does not change the fact of the matter.

"because I lay down my life" is a phrase that can be interpreted in more than one way NOT to mean "death".it is so evident that it does not refers to dying if you read the entire chapter of John 10.the same applies to:"and to give his life a ransom for many" in mark 10.aside,i am not even talking about how authentic those accounts are because i dont want to drift into another topic whether or not the bible is the "word of God",or what in the bible is God's word and what is not and must be rejected.also,even if we accept it at face value as refering to death,what have you done to reply than to ignore the other verses presented opposing human sacrifice and calling "crucifixion" a curse?how can you interprete Jesus' reluctance to die?

Then again,regardless of whether or not Jesus laid his life willing,human sacrifice is something barbaric and described as a blasphemy and an abomination in the OT.are you going to ignore those verses and only take a verse that suits you?how do you reconcile the conflicting verses?loving parents are not supposed to sacrifice their children and even God Himself warned against that in the OT.if Jesus can "lay down" his life and go to such an extent while his "beloved father" was folding his arms watching speaks volumes of how blood thirsty such a father is.the fact is verses already presented which you turned a blind eye to,show clearly that Jesus was never willing to die.

I hope u ve learnt that Jesus willing laid down his life in consonance with the will of God to save man kind

well,i'm not suprised since you people always understand the opposite of what you read.the man was weeping,freightened,begging,praying,sweating and screaming for his life and you still tell me he died "willing".if that is willingly good for your head.get a doctor ASAP!

Quit being a hypocrite mr man. The pple killing innocent pple in the north aren't muslims? Were they not referring to GEJ as an unbeliever even though is a Christian? So Gej would have been left alone if he converts to islam to accept Mohammad? Rubbish nonsensical. THe battle some how has religious undertone. Why would they call him an unbeliever saying ' an unbeliver in person of GEJ should not be allowed to rule them. Isn't that religiously motivated battle? Why would Buhari a muslim say during his campaign that 'any muslim that voted for Gej has sinned against islam and God? Try if u are reasonable to link these antecedents i laid to the current crises and tell me if it doesn't correlate. Why would only churches be burnt? Did u whatch Tv to see human beings dead body as a sacrifice by your fellow pathetic Almajiri muslims.

the fact is every muslim would wish for a just and sincere muslim to rule over him.no matter what,you should also not be the hypocrite you are accusing me of being by ignoring the fact that muslims voted for GEJ.what buhari said is his right to air his views.

If u have the fear of your so calledf Allah, u would speak against the acts of your fellow muslims sacrifising innocent lives. Of course mohammad did more atrocities than these reading through his numerous and adulteruos life stlye especially during the battle of Badr that was fought when there shoulnt be blood shed.

You need to be educated mr man.

the issue is the son of an adultress always understands contrary to what he reads.i dont blame you.if you god-forsaken being cannot understand my words where i called the violent acts in the north as "illitrate" and "mayhem",then you need to go to primary school.dont rub your mouth with droppings you'd not like to lick.if you're ignorant about badr or you're semi-literate on islam,just shut up.dont waste your time as many semi-literate missionaries do.i know the evidence put forth against human sacrifice in your religion is really  itching your skin,but i admire your frail courage to put up a fight.lol

if i were you,i'd rather accept the truth than be a hypocrite fighting a battle for the sake of fighting and making noise.

infact i should remind you of the words of Jesus himself for you:

MATHEW 23:33:

You snakes, you children of serpents! How can you escape being condemned to hell?

Like i did educated u above. God didnt kill his innocent son. Jesus willingly laid down his life to bring about reconciliation of God and man which sin caused separation. Let me ask u who is a messiah? was referred to in the Koran as a messiah or not? did the quran say Jesus was coming back or not? If the answers to the latter are Yes then u should know she was on a mission mr man as it is being attested to in your quran
Well i see that u need to be educated and i promise to oblige u with info even about your quran. The trash u posted above is mis represented and misunderstood by your self which i promise to educate u on. If u are serious, i'm also available for u

Jesus being a messiah or being mentioned in the Quran as a mighty messenger of God got nothing to do with human sacrifice.for the final time i'd repeat that from the evidence in your NT,Jesus was not willing to be "crucified"/die and inherit the curse of "crucifixion" (deuteronomy 21:23,galatians 3:13).it is heartaching and dishonorable for a prophet to inherit what God deemed a curse.you want to sugarcoat and paint what is bad as good to place an evil crown on Jesus' head that he never carried.be real!

LagosShia:

(NOTE:
"Easter Gift:"the Christian God:Blood and Human Sacrifice" is written by "LagosShia" and sharing and reproducing this material is free and acceptable by me for the sake of Almighty God).

[size=18pt]"Easter Gift: “the Christian God: Blood And Human Sacrifice”[/size]

It is of great amazement to know that men of knowledge and intellect and particularly professionals who believe in Christianity do celebrate human sacrifice and the shedding of an innocent human being’s blood to mark the so called redemption of humanity. If the god of Christianity can carry out human sacrifice then what is the difference between Christianity and tradition African religions which support human sacrifice? In our world of today, upon hearing the term “human sacrifice”, everyone freaks out and considers it barbaric. On the other hand, Christians up to this day annually commemorates human sacrifice and in fact have made it the basic and most fundamental tenet of their faith that without it there would be no Christianity.

1 Corinthians 15
And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

Galatians 2:21
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.


In Christianity “human sacrifice” is God’s “grace” while the same people would continue to condemn traditional religions if they employ human sacrifice. Why the double standard since “human sacrifice” is “human sacrifice”. Is it not time for Christians with intellect and logic to identify the barbarity involved in celebrating Easter and all that connects to the alleged killing of Jesus (human sacrifice)? Should governments around the world not stop the commemoration of such barbaric practice commemorating what is believed to be a father killing his own son and offering him as a sacrifice? And come to think of it, can God, the universal Supreme Being and the almighty who possesses all and everything, sacrifice anything? Can God sacrifice anything? Do you really know the meaning of “sacrifice”? To sacrifice means to give up or abandon something. Does your God who owns everything and made everything and can also destroy everything be in the position of humans to sacrifice anything? Is it true that God can give up something and loses it? It’s not impossible and “sacrifice” is not compatible with the concept and belief of an Almighty God who is universal, the beginner of everything and the bringer to an end of everything.


In the same bible that Christians hold as holy we find verses denouncing human sacrifice and also denouncing parents sacrificing their children. But here we have Christians hypocritically accepting and celebrating their “heavenly father” killing his “son” to neutralize sin a mysterious sin that they themselves did not commit but one attributed to Adam in the name of “original sin”. The same bible does inform us that sin cannot be passed through from one person to another nor can it be inherited:

Ezekiel 18:20
20The soul that sinned, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father; neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

IF GOD IN THE OLD TESTAMENT DENOUNCES HUMAN SACRIFICE AND HE ALSO DENOUNCES PARENTS WHO SACRIFICE THEIR CHILDREN AND HE ABORTED ABRAHAM’S SLAUGHTERING OF HIS SON (SINCE IT WAS ONLY MEANT TO BE A TEST),THEN WHY DO CHRISTIANS AND THEIR NEW TESTAMENT PRESCRIBE TO GOD WHAT HE HAS REJECTED?

Deuteronomy 12:31
31Thou shall not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hates, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.

From the above God considers sacrificing your children as an abomination, yet Christians ascribe that same abomination to God, sacrificing his own “son”!


Deuteronomy 18:9-12

When you enter the land that GOD, your God, is giving you, don't take on the abominable ways of life of the nations there. Don't you dare sacrifice your son or daughter in the fire. Don't practice divination, sorcery, fortunetelling, witchery, casting spells, holding séances, or channeling with the dead. People who do these things are an abomination to GOD. It's because of just such abominable practices that GOD, your God, is driving these nations out before you.

Now how dare you ascribe an abomination to God? Didn’t God see in the above that sacrificing one’s own child is an abomination?


Leviticus 18:21
"Don't give any of your children to be burned in sacrifice to the god Molech—an act of sheer blasphemy of your God. I am GOD.

When someone sacrifices his own son, God sees it as blasphemy. Then how can you blaspheme by ascribing blasphemy to God Himself what God sees as blasphemy?

WAS JESUS A WILLING “SACRIFICE”?

Let us examine the narration of how sorrowful and freigtened Jesus was and obviously was not ready nor willing to die for your sin:

Matthew 26:36-47
36Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gethsemane, and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder.
37And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy.
38Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.
39And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
40And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?
41Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
42He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.
43And he came and found them asleep again: for their eyes were heavy.


Compare the sorrow and fear Jesus expressed and the joy or at least readiness of soldiers who are willing to die.dont you dare come up and tell me he (Jesus) was human.i don’t even want to go into the question of whether Jesus was human or god or both.the fact is those willing to die are not gods but men.God does not die;gods die and hence they are false!if you can find men willing to die or at least willing to honor their agreement to sacrifice themselves for the truth,Jesus should no less be as strong as them.we read further:

Luke 22:44
And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.

Fear? Not only that he was sweating and weeping. He was sweating as if they were “great drops of blood”. Why all that? Was it because Jesus was willing to die? Or was it because he was not willing to die? Tell me!

Matthew 27:45-46
Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? That is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Forsaken? The “son” is complaining to his “dad” that his “dad” had forsaken him and here you are telling me he was “willing” to die!

CAN A “CURSE” REDEEM HUMANITY?

Galatians 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

So the Christian god did not only slay his son,he did not only “sacrifice” his son” and he did not only performed human sacrifice,but he allowed his son to be cursed!a cursed “son of god”?is that the gift that Christianity has to offer humanity?thanks but no thanks!

WHERE DO CURSED PEOPLE GO INTO AND WAS JESUS REALLY “KILLED” OR “CRUCIFIED” AND BECOME “CURSED”?

Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

From the above verse, it is either Jesus is lying that he will drive the cursed ones away since he himself has become cursed according to Galatians 3:13 and he too must be driven away or Jesus is saying the truth that he will drive the cursed ones away because Jesus was never killed or cursed!


Deuteronomy 21:23
His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shall in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

An accursed messiah, prophet and “son of god”?impossible! He could never have being killed and therefore he never “died” for your sins (thus no human sacrifice” and therefore no resurrection!

With all the crying and weeping of Jesus, Christians hold that Jesus was killed and therefore become “cursed” as a human sacrifice that “died” for their sin”. Is that how a loving God (your so called “heavenly father”) treats his beloved son? Do Christian fathers sacrifice their sons and give them up to save the wicked and those who have committed atrocities? Is it just to punish the innocent in the place of the criminal?

Deuteronomy 24:16
The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

WAS JESUS REALLY KILLED?

The Holy Quran replies and the choice is yours:

“He (Jesus) was neither killed nor crucified”(Holy Quran 4:157-158)

So will you Christians continue to justify human sacrifice when all evidence point and work against it? The choice is indeed yours to make!


Major Yeats-Brown, in his “Life of a Bengal Lancer”, summarises the Christian Doctrine of the Atonement in just a single sentence:

“NO HEATHEN TRIBE HAS CONCEIVED SO GROTESQUE AN IDEA, INVOLVING AS IT DOES THE ASSUMPTION, THAT MAN WAS BORN WITH A HEREDITARY STAIN UPON HIM: AND THAT THIS STAIN (FOR WHICH HE WAS NOT PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE) WAS TO BE ATONED FOR: AND THAT THE CREATOR OF ALL THINGS HAD TO SACRIFICE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON TO NEUTRALISE THIS MYSTERIOUS CURSE.”

for further reading,read Ahmad Deedat's:"cruci-fiction or crucifixion":

http://www.institutealislam.com/crucifixion-or-crucifiction-by-sheikh-ahmed-deedat/

Let me first bust ur bubble. U clsimed the above was compiled by u right? U are a patheteic liar. He stole the content from this site http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?p=7786353 U equally copied there and pasted here the post of Yesterday, 2:12 pm
contentedself
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Easter Gift. Except u want to give us another lie. I'm sure not all muslims here are very intelligent. Though some on Nl are eg mukina, Jarus etc but definitely not the Op of this thread. apologetics. Too bad u muslims will never change as usual since ur master mohammad was the author of lies

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Now back to rebutting the trash u recently posted

LagosShia:

thanks god-forsaken one!

Why thanking me? Oh i see cos i told the truth about your double nature right? no qualms

LagosShia:

the point of the thread and its essence is the fact that according to you "human sacrifice" did take place and that is wrong according to other places in the bible.human sacrifice is barbaric and wrong no matter how sweet you are taught to sugarcoat it and make it look like the best thing that can happen to humanity.your god who uses human sacrifice is no better than the pagan religions who carry out that deed.face it.you can call it love or grace or whatever,that does not change the fact of the matter.

No sir. 'There is a difference between sacrifice and sacrifice' ( if only u can have a grasp of what i mean) The traditional religion u are trying to compare with christianity differs a great deal. They do theirs on regular basis or say intermittently just like u muslims kill ram every year thereby carrying out an annual ritual. The reverse is this case in christianity. That Jesus laid down his life was a one off event and till date no human or animal scarifce is being done any where as atonement or for serving God. It’s never an annual event. what is being celebrate is the life, death and most importantly the resurrection of christ which forms the core basis of our faith. i.e Christ raised from the dead and the reconciliation accomplished. Trying to link the event of christ with that which occurs in traditional religion or how muslims sacrifice animals during Ileya festival every year will amount to ignorance on your part. We don't sacrifice anything annually to God or to Satan be it goat hen, ram etc. all those one makes no sense

LagosShia:

"because I lay down my life" is a phrase that can be interpreted in more than one way NOT to mean "death".it is so evident that it does not refers to dying if you read the entire chapter of John 10.the same applies to:"and to give his life a ransom for many" in mark 10.aside,i am not even talking about how authentic those accounts are because i dont want to drift into another topic whether or not the bible is the "word of God",or what in the bible is God's word and what is not and must be rejected.also,even if we accept it at face value as refering to death,what have you done to reply than to ignore the other verses presented opposing human sacrifice and calling "crucifixion" a curse?how can you interprete Jesus' reluctance to die?

I said u need to be educated. What do u mean by the first line in the above quote? go ahead and interpret and lets see the level of ur intelligence.

You are just foaming dust from the man. The nature of christ when he was on heart isn't one. He regarded himself as a son of man, son of God and also same as God. This simply tells us that Jesus is super human.

If Jesus was a 'human' and did not resurrect, then it would have been a sacrifice. The only way that a god can sacrifice in any way close to the way that a human sacrifices is if they lose what they sacrificed for the rest of eternity. Jesus' case is different. did he resurrect? Will he still come back according to the quran? If yes then why would u call someone you muslims says hes coming back a sacrifice? The animals you kill during ur festival are killed for eternity and will never return. Jesus wasn’t killed for eternity cos hes returning. I'm trying to educate u a great deal mr man.

LagosShia:

Then again,regardless of whether or not Jesus laid his life willing,human sacrifice is something barbaric and described as a blasphemy and an abomination in the OT.are you going to ignore those verses and only take a verse that suits you?how do you reconcile the conflicting verses?loving parents are not supposed to sacrifice their children and even God Himself warned against that in the OT.if Jesus can "lay down" his life and go to such an extent while his "beloved father" was folding his arms watching speaks volumes of how blood thirsty such a father is.the fact is verses already presented which you turned a blind eye to,show clearly that Jesus was never willing to die.

You still foaming dust in the amount by saying same thing over and over again. The case of jesus cant be compared to the normal sacrifice u muslims do that kills animals forever. Come to thing of it, if he’s coming back was he sacrificed for eternity? The animals you kill would they also return to u one day?

I'm asking questions and u are yet to provide me answers. Are u scared or lack the ability to answer my questions

Jesus was "victorious" over death but if Jesus resurrected and then went on to live for eternity, there is no way to call his life and death as a sacrifice within the context of that which is abominable. Hope u get that.

LagosShia:

well,i'm not suprised since you people always understand the opposite of what you read.the man was weeping,freightened,begging,praying,sweating and screaming for his life and you still tell me he died "willing".if that is willingly good for your head.get a doctor ASAP!

You are talking absolute nonsense here. I thought i ve educated u in my previous post yet the understand still eludes u. The fact remains just like i did mentioned above the nature of christ. The human nature that became[b] weary [/b] was the one that said 'if this cup will pass over me' But then he said let their will be done. This automatically tells us that the status quo was being referenced and the initial agreement wouldn't fail to be accomplished.
Here it is again for record purpose

Joh:10:17: Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Joh:10:18: No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Someone who had power to give life and to take it back is super human and couldn't be compared to mere animal sacrifice. ok?

LagosShia:

the fact is every muslim would wish for a just and sincere muslim to rule over him.no matter what,you should also not be the hypocrite you are accusing me of being by ignoring the fact that muslims voted for GEJ. what buhari said is his right to air his views.

Im sorry did u attend a school in a civilized society of mixed religious/ethnic groups? Im asking cos you above statement show how selfish the thinking of ordinary muslims are. Note the sentence in bold. 'No matter what' which means other non muslims aren’t human or are not fit to rule? Too bad. From 1960 to date kindly tell me in over 50 years the times that we ve had muslim leaders and christian leaders and try to compare their achivements in power for this country. If u did, u would realise that the muslims have really failed us just like abacha(wicked leader like mohamaad), Babangida and buhari. why should we want muslim rulers again?

LagosShia:

the issue is the son of an adultress always understands contrary to what he reads.i dont blame you.if you god-forsaken being cannot understand my words where i called the violent acts in the north as "illitrate" and "mayhem",then you need to go to primary school.dont rub your mouth with droppings you'd not like to lick.if you're ignorant about badr or you're semi-literate on islam,just shut up.dont waste your time as many semi-literate missionaries do.i know the evidence put forth against human sacrifice in your religion is really itching your skin,but i admire your frail courage to put up a fight.lol

simple question. The perpetrators of this wicked acts are muslims or not? pls answer me

LagosShia:

if i were you,i'd rather accept the truth than be a hypocrite fighting a battle for the sake of fighting and making noise.

All u ve said thus far are far from the truth sir

LagosShia:

infact i should remind you of the words of Jesus himself for you:

MATHEW 23:33:

You snakes, you children of serpents! How can you escape being condemned to hell?

Again quoting out of context. Tell me the meaning of what u can deduce from the verse

LagosShia:

Jesus being a messiah or being mentioned in the Quran as a mighty messenger of God got nothing to do with human sacrifice.for the final time i'd repeat that from the evidence in your NT,Jesus was not willing to be "crucified"/die and inherit the curse of "crucifixion" (deuteronomy 21:23,galatians 3:13).it is heartaching and dishonorable for a prophet to inherit what God deemed a curse.you want to sugarcoat and paint what is bad as good to place an evil crown on Jesus' head that he never carried. be real!

U are still referring to same thing and foaming dust in the mouth. If he was sacrificed into eternity, will he still be expected as a messiah according to ur Quran?

Pls answer all my question

jesus.:

Let me first bust your bubble. U clsimed the above was compiled by u right? U are a patheteic liar. He stole the content from this site http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?p=7786353 U equally copied there and pasted here the post of Yesterday, 2:12 pm
contentedself
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Easter Gift. Except u want to give us another lie. I'm sure not all muslims here are very intelligent. Though some on Nl are eg mukina, Jarus etc but definitely not the Op of this thread. apologetics. Too bad u muslims will never change as usual since your master mohammad was the author of lies

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you're just a typical missionary loser who dreams,imagines and assumes everything and then throw nonsense accusations.you just scratch the crust to scatter dust!you lack sense if you dont you'd not be in the state you're in.do you know that "thecontentedself" also belong to another forum in which i am also a member?do you know i also posted this article there and he copied it from there?do you know he informed me and posted in my thread in the other forum?here is the proof (*shame on you for trying to question my dignity*):

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/234988396-easter-gift

Now back to rebutting the trash u recently posted
Why thanking me? Oh i see cos i told the truth about your double nature right? no qualms

so do you really think the above is a rebuttal?is the above relevant to my article?of what use and significance is the above?what should i reply?or you think you can runaway from the essence of the article and be throwing in slack words?

No sir. 'There is a difference between sacrifice and sacrifice' ( if only u can have a grasp of what i mean) The traditional religion u are trying to compare with christianity differs a great deal. They do theirs on regular basis or say intermittently just like u muslims kill ram every year thereby carrying out an annual ritual. The reverse is this case in christianity. That Jesus laid down his life was a one off event and till date no human or animal scarifce is being done any where as atonement or for serving God. It’s never an annual event. what is being celebrate is the life, death and most importantly the resurrection of christ which forms the core basis of our faith. i.e Christ raised from the dead and the reconciliation accomplished. Trying to link the event of christ with that which occurs in traditional religion or how muslims sacrifice animals during Ileya festival every year will amount to ignorance on your part. We don't sacrifice anything annually to God or to Satan be it goat hen, ram etc. all those one makes no sense

"human sacrifice" was only done once in christianity;not every year like the muslims who slaughter rams as a symbolic gesture of repentance and not because God needs blood or flesh as the christian god and christians insist that the price for sin is "blood".so because the human sacrifice took place only once in christianity,it's ok,right?and every year christians celibrate it and commemorate the "death" of Jesus.is that not so?you glorify "human sacrifice".its all about the "blood sacrifice".it's literal!

Holy Quran 22:37

It is not their meat nor their blood that reaches Allah: it is your piety that reaches Him: He has thus made them subject to you, that ye may glorify Allah for His guidance to you: and proclaim the Good News to all who do right.

I said u need to be educated. What do u mean by the first line in the above quote? go ahead and interpret and lets see the level of your intelligence.

if you can read John 10,you observe one theme:"Jesus was a good shepherd who devoted his life to doing good and guiding people".i even went further to tell you that even if we accept that John 10 and mark 10 you presented that Jesus was a "willing" sacrificial animal (may God forgive for using such a term to refer to His beloved Messenger,Jesus),you will end up having contradictions because other verses portrayed Jesus not to have being aware of any deal struck in heaven for him to come down and die.he cried,prayed,sweated,begged,screamed and he was freightened.gods dont die.it is men who die.so why was he so terrified?and you will again repeat to me how "willing" he was.MashaAllah,great wisdom!

i also mentioned that someone "crucified" is "cursed" according to deuteronomy 21:23 and galatians 3:13.how can a prophet of God be "cursed"?and you know what Jesus says about those who are cursed?

Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

so according to you and the world of christianity,Jesus was "cursed" but he went to sit by God's right hand.others cursed go into hell.in other words,as christians you can commit all sorts of sins and criminalities and still be in paradise simply because you're not muslim.that is the implication and the implied meaning of such a reasoning.wake up!

You are just foaming dust from the man. The nature of christ when he was on heart isn't one. He regarded himself as a son of man, son of God and also same as God. This simply tells us that Jesus is super human.

you know what someone with two fathers is called.so i will not even go further into that.

super-human?what is so super about him that you've made him a god?Jesus said:

John 5:30
I can of mine own self do nothing:

Jon 8:28
I do nothing of myself

WHAT DO YOU CALL A “god” THAT CAN DO NOTHING BY HIMSELF?

If Jesus was a 'human' and did not resurrect, then it would have been a sacrifice. The only way that a god can sacrifice in any way close to the way that a human sacrifices is if they lose what they sacrificed for the rest of eternity. Jesus' case is different. did he resurrect? Will he still come back according to the quran? If yes then why would u call someone you muslims says hes coming back a sacrifice? The animals you kill during your festival are killed for eternity and will never return. Jesus wasn’t killed for eternity cos hes returning. I'm trying to educate u a great deal mr man.

It is not we muslims that say he is a “sacrifice”.it is you Christians that call him “lamb” and a “ransom”.whether he according to you “resurrected” or not is not the issue.if its just about resurrection,then one day me and you will die and we will resurrect.so what?why are you ashamed of your belief that he was killed as a "sacrifice" according to your belief?in the link (of the catholic forum) you presented on the article posted there by "contentedself",your christian brother denied Jesus offered himself as a sacrifice and said roman soldiers killed him.lol, so were the roman soldiers the ones who cared to "redeem" you from sins?when it comes to defending your belief you’re now denying it and telling me it’s the muslims that say Jesus was sacrificed.the Quran says he was neither killed nor crucified.if there you can accept there was no “killing” then you can say there was no “sacrifice”.are you not the same person who presented mark 10 and John 10 to prove that Jesus “died”?

Infact here is what your Paul said in your NT that Jesus “died” for your “sins”:

1 Corinthians 15:3
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

So now that you’ve seen the ugliness of human sacrifice,you’re denying it.that is a good and commendable step.human sacrifice is human sacrifice once the person is killed as an offering or believed to be an offering.whether the person resurrects or not is not the issue.even those who traditional religions sacrifice will one day resurrect,sooner or later.so what?does it changed the fact they were killed?or they were believed to be as "sacrificial animals"?

You still foaming dust in the amount by saying same thing over and over again. The case of jesus cant be compared to the normal sacrifice u muslims do that kills animals forever. Come to thing of it, if he’s coming back was he sacrificed for eternity? The animals you kill would they also return to u one day?
Jesus was "victorious" over death but if Jesus resurrected and then went on to live for eternity, there is no way to call his life and death as a sacrifice within the context of that which is abominable. Hope u get that.

Muslim don’t sacrifice humans.we sacrifice animals not to even “redeem” ourselves or “wash our sins away with their blood” but as a symbol of repentance and drawing closer to God by giving up something we buy/pay for.(Holy Quran 22:37).the question you should have asked:will those humans sacrificed in pagan religions also come back?the answer is yes!just the same thing as your beliefs on Jesus!!!

I'm asking questions and u are yet to provide me answers. Are u scared or lack the ability to answer my questions

I cant answer questions before they are asked.i don’t dwell in your mind.

You are talking absolute nonsense here. I thought i ve educated u in my previous post yet the understand still eludes u. The fact remains just like i did mentioned above the nature of christ. The human nature that became[b] weary [/b] was the one that said 'if this cup will pass over me' But then he said let their will be done. This automatically tells us that the status quo was being referenced and the initial agreement wouldn't fail to be accomplished.
Here it is again for record purpose

Joh:10:17: Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
Joh:10:18: No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Someone who had power to give life and to take it back is super human and couldn't be compared to mere animal sacrifice. ok?

You’re becoming boring.stop repeating what have already being answered.you’re bringing verses to show he was “willing” to die while other places clearly exist to prove otherwise.dont bother to tell me about his nature that you believe in.God does not die but men do and some readily accept and subit their lives for their cause but that was not the case with Jesus.there are also gods that die and hence they are false.i know the trauma you’d be going through.but that is the result of following a man-made-put-together religion based on patch-patch.

Im sorry did u attend a school in a civilized society of mixed religious/ethnic groups? Im asking cos you above statement show how selfish the thinking of ordinary muslims are. Note the sentence in bold. 'No matter what' which means other non muslims aren’t human or are not fit to rule? Too bad. From 1960 to date kindly tell me in over 50 years the times that we ve had muslim leaders and christian leaders and try to compare their achivements in power for this country. If u did, u would realise that the muslims have really failed us just like abacha(wicked leader like mohamaad), Babangida and buhari. why should we want muslim rulers again?

Did you not see a full stop?dont you know “no matter what” belongs to another sentence that demonstrates your hypocrisy?

It is not meant for you to decide whether you want muslim leaders or not.if the muslims would have wanted that,they would have got that.it shows the muslims did not have that in mind.the minority that caused violence are doing your likes a favor.

simple question. The perpetrators of this wicked acts are muslims or not? pls answer me

They are muslims and likewise those who also voted for GEJ and ensured he won and so also those who condemned the violence.you want to take those who caused violence over nonsense to be representing the religion while those who rejected violence do not represent the religion.are you real?

All u ve said thus far are far from the truth sir

I don’t expect anything better than your above statement.otherwise we would not be exchanging replies.

May Allah guide you!

Again quoting out of context. Tell me the meaning of what u can deduce from the verse

Get a mirror and look at yourself!

U are still referring to same thing and foaming dust in the mouth. If he was sacrificed into eternity, will he still be expected as a messiah according to your Quran?

Pls answer all my question

You’re taking apples for oranges.the Quran says he did not die in clear words.it says:he was neither killed not crucify…for certain he was not killed” (Holy Quran 4:157-158).you don’t have to be killed into eternity for human sacrifice to take place.the act of offering/killing a human being is what stands for human sacrifice regardless if you will resurrect or not.your cunny tactics in twisting and turning will not work here.

Your post is very funny and filled with contradictions

LagosShia:

you're just a typical missionary loser who dreams,imagines and assumes everything and then throw nonsense accusations.you just scratch the crust to scatter dust!you lack sense if you dont you'd not be in the state you're in.do you know that "thecontentedself" also belong to another forum in which i am also a member?do you know i also posted this article there and he copied it from there?do you know he informed me and posted in my thread in the other forum?here is the proof (*shame on you for trying to question my dignity*):

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/234988396-easter-gift

As expected and anticipated, you lied. No qualms its in ur blood as muslims to do so, just like mohammad did when he took the wife of his adopted son claiming allah told him to do so.

I caught u in clear term that what u posted in the Op was lifted, stolen and plagiarized. You came up here to deny and claim you are a member of another forum.

It's clear you lifted your 'post' from this site http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?p=7786353 Since u want to live in denial, u are free to do so as a typical pathetic muslim

LagosShia:

so do you really think the above is a rebuttal?is the above relevant to my article?of what use and significance is the above?what should i reply?or you think you can runaway from the essence of the article and be throwing in slack words?

Get educated mr man. I promised a rebbutal to your post which i did and im still doing. U are guilty of quoting out of context same way u do to ur fellow muslims on this site under the guise of u being a shia muslim no? its either it a habit or just pure ignorance. whatever u ve got to grow up

LagosShia:

"human sacrifice" was only done once in christianity;not every year like the muslims who slaughter rams as a symbolic gesture of repentance and not because God needs blood or flesh as the christian god and christians insist that the price for sin is "blood".

Gesture of repentance and then go back to sin and cause trouble around the whole world afterwards? this is really pathetic. Does that make any sense to u?

LagosShia:

so because the human sacrifice took place only once in christianity,it's ok,right?and every year christians celibrate it and commemorate the "death" of Jesus.is that not so?you glorify "human sacrifice".its all about the "blood sacrifice".it's literal!

The level of ur ignorance is so alarming mr man. What is being celebrated is the life and message of christ whilst on earth and now that he has ascended unto his father in Heaven. What we celebrate is the reconciliation and salbvation brought to mankind as a result of christ's resurrection. Paul said in 1Co:15:14: And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. this is what christianity is all about. that is what is being celebrated. Stop being a reeeeetard. No one annually celebrate human sacrifice ok? Now educate ur self with this M't:28:18: And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
M't:28:19: Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
M't:28:20: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
The above scriptures tells u what forms the basis of Christianity and what we celebrate during easter. Reconciliation and salvation. which happened after the resurrection of christ.

LagosShia:

Holy Quran 22:37
It is not their meat nor their blood that reaches Allah: it is your piety that reaches Him: He has thus made them subject to you, that ye may glorify Allah for His guidance to you: and proclaim the Good News to all who do right.

Absolute nonsense. Does it bring salvation to u guys? the blood of animals are worthless, killing it for whatever reason is also absolute trash. It has made u muslims worse off. Imagine Ghadaffi that kills animals like u is presently killing fellow citizens in Libya. go to Yemen, Syria, Iran, Bahrain, Happened before in Egypt and Tunisia. This simply tells u that killing animals is absolutely crazy and makes no sense as an annual ritual by muslims. Chritians to shed any useless blood annual rather reminiscence event that brought salvation to man kind. The slaughterers are at it again in northern Nigeria

LagosShia:

if you can read John 10,you observe one theme:"Jesus was a good shepherd who devoted his life to doing good and guiding people".i even went further to tell you that even if we accept that John 10 and mark 10 you presented that Jesus was a "willing" sacrificial animal (may God forgive for using such a term to refer to His beloved Messenger,Jesus),you will end up having contradictions because other verses portrayed Jesus not to have being aware of any deal struck in heaven for him to come down and die.he cried,prayed,sweated,begged,screamed and he was freightened.gods dont die.it is men who die.so why was he so terrified?and you will again repeat to me how "willing" he was.MashaAllah,great wisdom!

i also mentioned that someone "crucified" is "cursed" according to deuteronomy 21:23 and galatians 3:13.how can a prophet of God be "cursed"?and you know what Jesus says about those who are cursed?

Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

so according to you and the world of christianity,Jesus was "cursed" but he went to sit by God's right hand.others cursed go into hell.in other words,as christians you can commit all sorts of sins and criminalities and still be in paradise simply because you're not muslim.that is the implication and the implied meaning of such a reasoning.wake up!

This is absolute trash and i will have to educate u a great deal again. The biblical accounts are written in succession and accounted as events did occurred. Non are contradictory as all were pointing to same direction that christ knew what would happen to him right from ab initio. All those rantings and ramblings makes no sense. I already told you he was referred to as the son of man as well. The man nature was the one that ate, slept and suffered like every normal human but the god nature is that which resurrected, ascender to heaven and will return as the messiah of even the muslims.

Lets see M't:26:61: And said, This fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days. This is the God nature whom before is death new what would happen. he couldnt have scared of what he was prepared for. This is in response the part in ur post saying he wasnt willing to lay down his life.
Quoting bible out of context is ur style so keep it up

LagosShia:

you know what someone with two fathers is called.so i will not even go further into that.

Please tell me what someone with two fathers is called i dont know

LagosShia:

super-human?what is so super about him that you've made him a god?Jesus said:

John 5:30
I can of mine own self do nothing:

Jon 8:28
I do nothing of myself

WHAT DO YOU CALL A “god” THAT CAN DO NOTHING BY HIMSELF?

buhaaaaaaaaa buhaaaaaaaaa buhaaaaaaaa. I was expecting the above earlier than this time. Sweetnecta and ur fellow Nl have often asked this question and will oblige u with same answers as i gave them. The problem with is that u don't want to learn. I have explained to you the nature of christ during his time on earth now i will give u some biblical backings to show u that u only ignorantly quote the bible out of context.

Now take
M't:28:18: And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
M't:28:19: Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
M't:28:20: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Note vs 18, Has had power that God himself have so he has power to commission just like God.
Another one for ur thick ignorant head

Ph'p:2:5: Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Ph'p:2:6: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Note the two verses in bold. Tells u the equality of christ and God. see more below

Ph'p:2:7: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Ph'p:2:8: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

As i did explained to u earlier about the nature of christ which is one as man and the other as God. The above verses tells us he used his human form to save man kind by becoming humble hope u'll have a grasp of that

Ph'p:2:9: Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Ph'p:2:10: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Ph'p:2:11: And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Now he got the reward no man will never never get not even ur filthy prophet mohammad. or u wan compare the two?

U said above he could do nothing on his own that was pure humility. He can do and undo. He can do whatever God can do ok cos hes God. get that mr man.

This is what we christians celebrate during Easter and nothing more. We dont need to kill cow, ram or chicken as any useless repentance method like u ignorantly do.

LagosShia:

It is not we muslims that say he is a “sacrifice”.it is you Christians that call him “lamb” and a “ransom”.whether he according to you “resurrected” or not is not the issue.if its just about resurrection,then one day me and you will die and we will resurrect.so what?why are you ashamed of your belief that he was killed as a "sacrifice" according to your belief?in the link (of the catholic forum) you presented on the article posted there by "contentedself",your christian brother denied Jesus offered himself as a sacrifice and said roman soldiers killed him.lol, so were the roman soldiers the ones who cared to "redeem" you from sins?when it comes to defending your belief you’re now denying it and telling me it’s the muslims that say Jesus was sacrificed.the Quran says he was neither killed nor crucified.if there you can accept there was no “killing” then you can say there was no “sacrifice”.are you not the same person who presented mark 10 and John 10 to prove that Jesus “died”?

Infact here is what your Paul said in your NT that Jesus “died” for your “sins”:

1 Corinthians 15:3
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

So now that you’ve seen the ugliness of human sacrifice,you’re denying it.that is a good and commendable step.human sacrifice is human sacrifice once the person is killed as an offering or believed to be an offering.whether the person resurrects or not is not the issue.even those who traditional religions sacrifice will one day resurrect,sooner or later.so what?does it changed the fact they were killed?or they were believed to be as "sacrificial animals"?

I told u not to foam dust out of the mouth my making repetitions. What is being cherised like i said above his the resurrection of christ. The resurrection formed the basis of christianity and established the reconciliation btw man and God, that is why we call on the name of christ and miracles happen.

Oga 'ma fi iku we oruun' Our so called resurrection as stated in my own bible revelations 20 is going to happen at the judgement day. No one has received any judgement till date. when u and i will give account of all we did whilst on earth. Jesus' resurrection isn't like that. Hes already in heaven awaiting u and i and the Judgement day. Dont make errors by trying to compare ur own resurrection with that of Christ. So hes returning unlike mohammad who died like my earthly father and both will remain dead till judgement day not so? except u have a contrary view

LagosShia:

Muslim don’t sacrifice humans.we sacrifice animals not to even “redeem” ourselves or “wash our sins away with their blood” but as a symbol of repentance and drawing closer to God by giving up something we buy/pay for.(Holy Quran 22:37).the question you should have asked:will those humans sacrificed in pagan religions also come back?the answer is yes!just the same thing as your beliefs on Jesus!!!

What i know is that the blood of those animals u kill annually is meaningless and can neither redeem or bring reconciliation btw u and God. In fact the annual ritualistic slaughtering u do have even turned muslims to murderers of human being. I saw on Tv how ur fellow muslim slaughtered human being just like they slaughter animal every year. It has made u guys worse off.

I will repeat what i said above

'Oga 'ma fi iku we oruun' Our so called 'resurrectio'n as stated in my own bible revelations 20 is going to happen at the judgement day. No one has received any judgement till date. when u and i will give account of all we did whilst on earth. Jesus' resurrection isn't like that. Hes already in heaven awaiting u and i and the Judgement day. Dont make errors by trying to compare ur own resurrection with that of Christ. So hes returning unlike mohammad who died like my earthly father and both will remain dead till judgement day not so? except u have a contrary view'

LagosShia:

I cant answer questions before they are asked.i don’t dwell in your mind.

Yes of course u are scared or just don't have answers. See above posts and single out my questions to provide answers to them if u can.

LagosShia:

[b]You’re becoming boring.stop repeating what have already being answered.you’re bringing verses to show he was “willing” to die while other places clearly exist to prove otherwise.dont bother to tell me about his nature that you [/b]believe in.God does not die but men do and some readily accept and subit their lives for their cause but that was not the case with Jesus.there are also gods that die and hence they are false.i know the trauma you’d be going through.but that is the result of following a man-made-put-together religion based on patch-patch.
Did you not see a full stop?dont you know “no matter what” belongs to another sentence that demonstrates your hypocrisy?

I see that u are a pretender. I have been very honest with u thinking u are a genuine seeker but u are proving u are not. i did stated above that ' The biblical accounts are written in succession and accounted as events did occurred. Non are contradictory as all were pointing to same direction that christ knew what would happen to him right from ab initio'. Matthew 1 comes before matt 28. Mark 1 comes before Mark 15 john 1 come before john 19. Every thing were written in succession.

M't:26:61: And said, This fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days. this comes before the verse that detailed his arrest and other things. showing his state of preparedness.

M'r:14:58: We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.

Joh:2:19: Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Joh:2:20: Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
Joh:2:21: But he spake of the temple of his body.

If u looked at this different accounts are they contradictory? aren't they saying same thing and pointing to same direction about an event that was yet to happen? They are telling us that christ knew what would happen and as such his declarative statements reveals that. Lagosshia saying he wasn't willing to lay down his life is absolutely ignorance being revealed on ur part

LagosShia:

It is not meant for you to decide whether you want muslim leaders or not.i[b]f the muslims would have wanted that,they would have got that[/b].it shows the muslims did not have that in mind.the minority that caused violence are doing your likes a favor.

Oh my God are u for real? where were u educated? U say 'if the muslims would have wanted that,they would have got that' yet the same muslims are causing mayhem saying they dont want an unbeliever in person of a christian GEJ to rule. Are u sane? two contradictory statements. So the muslims dont want a muslim leader, then are they causing trouble for a non muslim leader? Why and how are they doing my likes a favour? If u failed to answer this question, i will never take u serious again then will regarg u as an eeediot if u dont reasonable back up ur statements with facts.

BTW i asked u to do something and shifted the goal post here is it again

'From 1960 to date kindly tell me in over 50 years the times that we ve had muslim leaders and christian leaders and try to compare their achivements in power for this country. If u did, u would realise that the muslims have really failed us just like abacha(wicked leader like mohamaad), Babangida and buhari. why should we want muslim rulers again?'

Pls oblige me with answeres since u said u were prepared for me. dont fun away cos if u do i will bring it back again.

LagosShia:

They are muslims and likewise those who also voted for GEJ and ensured he won and so also those who condemned the violence.you want to take those who caused violence over nonsense to be representing the religion while those who rejected violence do not represent the religion.are you real?

I asked if they were Muslims (i.e the northern murderers and slaughterers). Does islam support or encourage violence?

LagosShia:

I don’t expect anything better than your above statement.otherwise we would not be exchanging replies.

May Allah guide you!

Really? u havent helped matters at all with ur poor responses either

LagosShia:

Get a mirror and look at yourself!

Have u also done that to see how ugly looking u are lol

LagosShia:

You’re taking apples for oranges.the Quran says he did not die in clear words.it says:he was neither killed not crucify…for certain he was not killed” (Holy Quran 4:157-158).you don’t have to be killed into eternity for human sacrifice to take place.the act of offering/killing a human being is what stands for human sacrifice regardless if you will resurrect or not.your cunny tactics in twisting and turning will not work here.

Beautiful, bravo. Quran says he did not die in clear words.it says:he was neither killed not crucify…for certain he was not killed” so which do u believe? the bible or the quran about Jesus?

Pls answer this question for me cos u have just shot urself with the gun in your hand. lol

Respond in time as theres long holidays for me to deal with ur post

cheers bro

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Long holiday for you alright.

Lagosshia forgot that you have to be nailed to the cross, just about now.
and then resurrect sunday morning, having spend 3 days and 3 night in death.

when you resurrect, jesus, i will ask you to calculate 3 days and 3 night for me, starting from nailing on the cross [friday late afternoon] to resurrection [sunday before dawn].

you have your long holiday to think about your answer.

as lagosshia provided proofs from your bible, you cant provide clear evidence from the same book.

if there is a verse of the bible that opposes your argument, it has created reasonable doubt and it is enough to throw away your argument.

a muslim does believe in the Quran, so lagosshia believes that jesus was not killed or crucified.

jesus.:

Your post is very funny and filled with contradictions
As expected and anticipated, you lied. No qualms its in your blood as muslims to do so, just like mohammad did when he took the wife of his adopted son claiming allah told him to do so.

I caught u in clear term that what u posted in the Op was lifted, stolen and plagiarized. You came up here to deny and claim you are a member of another forum.

It's clear you lifted your 'post' from this site http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?p=7786353 Since u want to live in denial, u are free to do so as a typical pathetic muslim

Do you want me go post your accusation on the thread on shiachat for you to believe me?didnt you see that “contentedself” is also a member there?

What is really intellectual you want to discuss by throwing insults and using bad language?is that what Jesus taught you? must I lie to you before you believe?

Get educated mr man. I promised a rebbutal to your post which i did and im still doing. U are guilty of quoting out of context same way u do to your fellow muslims on this site under the guise of u being a shia muslim no? its either it a habit or just pure ignorance. whatever u ve got to grow up
Gesture of repentance and then go back to sin and cause trouble around the whole world afterwards? this is really pathetic. Does that make any sense to u?

So your above blabbing is your rebuttal to “human sacrifice”?lol

The level of your ignorance is so alarming mr man. What is being celebrated is the life and message of christ whilst on earth and now that he has ascended unto his father in Heaven. What we celebrate is the reconciliation and salbvation brought to mankind as a result of christ's resurrection. Paul said in 1Co:15:14: And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain. this is what christianity is all about. that is what is being celebrated. Stop being a reeeeetard. No one annually celebrate human sacrifice ok? Now educate your self with this M't:28:18: And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Offering a human life as a “ransom” is “human sacrifice”.accusing till thy kingdom come and insulting me is no rebuttal.that is not how debates are conducted.

M't:28:19: Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
M't:28:20: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
The above scriptures tells u what forms the basis of Christianity and what we celebrate during easter. Reconciliation and salvation. which happened after the resurrection of christ.

And this tells me that Jesus was only sent to the Jews and not for the gentiles (another contradiction)tsk,tsk,tsk:

Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.


Matthew 10:5
These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

Absolute nonsense. Does it bring salvation to u guys? the blood of animals are worthless, killing it for whatever reason is also absolute trash. It has made u muslims worse off. Imagine Ghadaffi that kills animals like u is presently killing fellow citizens in Libya. go to Yemen, Syria, Iran, Bahrain, Happened before in Egypt and Tunisia. This simply tells u that killing animals is absolutely crazy and makes no sense as an annual ritual by muslims. Chritians to shed any useless blood annual rather reminiscence event that brought salvation to man kind. The slaughterers are at it again in northern Nigeria

Read:

Holy Quran 22:37
It is not their meat nor their blood that reaches Allah: it is your piety that reaches Him: He has thus made them subject to you, that ye may glorify Allah for His guidance to you: and proclaim the Good News to all who do right.

It is the piety that matters.if sacrificing tones of animals does not help,I don’t see how sacrificing one man would.as the Quran says,it is piety that matters.so you can commit a genocide and sacrifice more “sons of god” and carry out more human sacrifice,that will not help you either to attain salvation.

This is absolute trash and i will have to educate u a great deal again. The biblical accounts are written in succession and accounted as events did occurred. Non are contradictory as all were pointing to same direction that christ knew what would happen to him right from ab initio. All those rantings and ramblings makes no sense. I already told you he was referred to as the son of man as well. The man nature was the one that ate, slept and suffered like every normal human but the god nature is that which resurrected, ascender to heaven and will return as the messiah of even the muslims.

Lol…

So what basically you’re saying here is that the god that inspired Deuteronomy 21:23 and even Galatians 3:13 calling those “crucified” or “hanged on a tree”  that they are “cursed” is not the same god who inspired the alleged “killing/crucifixion” of Jesus? If it is the same God that inspires both Deuteronomy 21:23 and verses you’d use to propagate Jesus’ “death” such as those in 1 corinthians 15,then  Jesus could not have dies.this is especially so because in Mathew Jesus said:

Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels

I never knew that your god can change and contradict his law depending on the time and his mood.

Lets see M't:26:61: And said, This fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days. This is the God nature whom before is death new what would happen. he couldnt have scared of what he was prepared for. This is in response the part in your post saying he wasnt willing to lay down his life.
Quoting bible out of context is your style so keep it up

I’m not the one who wrote the verses in the NT  where it is recorded more than once that Jesus said of his own he can do nothing.so whatever he did,it was not his power.

Please tell me what someone with two fathers is called i dont know

Ok.how old are u?

buhaaaaaaaaa buhaaaaaaaaa buhaaaaaaaa. I was expecting the above earlier than this time. Sweetnecta and your fellow Nl have often asked this question and will oblige u with same answers as i gave them. The problem with is that u don't want to learn. I have explained to you the nature of christ during his time on earth now i will give u some biblical backings to show u that u only ignorantly quote the bible out of context.

Now take
M't:28:18: And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
M't:28:19: Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
M't:28:20: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Note vs 18, Has had power that God himself have so he has power to commission just like God.
Another one for your thick ignorant head

Ph'p:2:5: Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Ph'p:2:6: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Note the two verses in bold. Tells u the equality of christ and God. see more below

Ph'p:2:7: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Ph'p:2:8: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

As i did explained to u earlier about the nature of christ which is one as man and the other as God. The above verses tells us he used his human form to save man kind by becoming humble hope u'll have a grasp of that

Ph'p:2:9: Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Ph'p:2:10: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Ph'p:2:11: And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Now he got the reward no man will never never get not even your filthy prophet mohammad. or u wan compare the two?

U said above he could do nothing on his own that was pure humility. He can do and undo. He can do whatever God can do ok cos hes God. get that mr man.

This is not an insult contest.i thought you said you want to educate me.does your church teach you to educate people on vulgar language? I thought Jesus said you should love your enemies and turn the other cheek.so obvious how deviant you’re.

The point is,no matter the power Jesus has and no matter what he did or “undid” (pardon the word),he said “of my own I can do nothing”.so a “god” that can do nothing on his own is a useless god.

This is what we christians celebrate during Easter and nothing more. We dont need to kill cow, ram or chicken as any useless repentance method like u ignorantly do.

I told u not to foam dust out of the mouth my making repetitions. What is being cherised like i said above his the resurrection of christ. The resurrection formed the basis of christianity and established the reconciliation btw man and God, that is why we call on the name of christ and miracles happen.

Oga 'ma fi iku we oruun' Our so called resurrection as stated in my own bible revelations 20 is going to happen at the judgement day. No one has received any judgement till date. when u and i will give account of all we did whilst on earth. Jesus' resurrection isn't like that. Hes already in heaven awaiting u and i and the Judgement day. Dont make errors by trying to compare your own resurrection with that of Christ. So hes returning unlike mohammad who died like my earthly father and both will remain dead till judgement day not so? except u have a contrary view

Many prophets before also died earthly deaths.

The point is without the alleged “crucifixion” there could be no “resurrection”.so no “human sacrifice” therefore no alleged “resurrection”.

What i know is that the blood of those animals u kill annually is meaningless and can neither redeem or bring reconciliation btw u and God. In fact the annual ritualistic slaughtering u do have even turned muslims to murderers of human being. I saw on Tv how your fellow muslim slaughtered human being just like they slaughter animal every year. It has made u guys worse off.

So you really expect me to engage you on the above?lol…

If you total all the wars fought by Christians and all the lives wasted,the muslims are just students in killing.your theology is based on human sacrifice.not only that,your god sacrificed his son because he could not forgive and tamper justice with mercy.he sacrificed his innocent son rather than punishing the guilty.that is called injustice!if yo

Yes of course u are scared or just don't have answers. See above posts and single out my questions to provide answers to them if u can.

Ok.

I see that u are a pretender. I have been very honest with u thinking u are a genuine seeker but u are proving u are not. i did stated above that ' The biblical accounts are written in succession and accounted as events did occurred. Non are contradictory as all were pointing to same direction that christ knew what would happen to him right from ab initio'. Matthew 1 comes before matt 28. Mark 1 comes before Mark 15 john 1 come before john 19. Every thing were written in succession.

M't:26:61: And said, This fellow said, I am able to destroy the temple of God, and to build it in three days. this comes before the verse that detailed his arrest and other things. showing his state of preparedness.

M'r:14:58: We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.

Joh:2:19: Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Joh:2:20: Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
Joh:2:21: But he spake of the temple of his body.

If u looked at this different accounts are they contradictory? aren't they saying same thing and pointing to same direction about an event that was yet to happen? They are telling us that christ knew what would happen and as such his declarative statements reveals that. Lagosshia saying he wasn't willing to lay down his life is absolutely ignorance being revealed on your part

All those books you’re mentioning are not meant to have being written in succession.they are all meant to be accounts of the life and teachings of Jesus.so your “succession” hallucination does not matter here.the question is:was Jesus willing or not willing to die?evidently from the NT in not only one book,Jesus was not prepared to die.

Oh my God are u for real? where were u educated? U say 'if the muslims would have wanted that,they would have got that' yet the same muslims are causing mayhem saying they dont want an unbeliever in person of a christian GEJ to rule. Are u sane? two contradictory statements. So the muslims dont want a muslim leader, then are they causing trouble for a non muslim leader? Why and how are they doing my likes a favour? If u failed to answer this question, i will never take u serious again then will regarg u as an eeediot if u dont reasonable back up your statements with facts.

BTW i asked u to do something and shifted the goal post here is it again

'From 1960 to date kindly tell me in over 50 years the times that we ve had muslim leaders and christian leaders and try to compare their achivements in power for this country. If u did, u would realise that the muslims have really failed us just like abacha(wicked leader like mohamaad), Babangida and buhari. why should we want muslim rulers again?'

Pls oblige me with answeres since u said u were prepared for me. dont fun away cos if u do i will bring it back again.

Voting for what you call “muslim rulers” is not a Christian decision.if all muslims in Nigeria vote for a muslim and no rigging takes place the muslim will win.you’re more ignorant than those illiterates causing violence.ive told you that muslims voted for GEJ.if those muslims opposed to GEJ want to use religion as a pretext for violence,that their business.

I asked if they were Muslims (i.e the northern murderers and slaughterers). Does islam support or encourage violence?

lol

Really? u havent helped matters at all with your poor responses either

Ok.

Have u also done that to see how ugly looking u are lol

Yes.

Beautiful, bravo. Quran says he did not die in clear words.it says:he was neither killed not crucify…for certain he was not killed” so which do u believe? the bible or the quran about Jesus?

Pls answer this question for me cos u have just shot urself with the gun in your hand. lol

Respond in time as theres long holidays for me to deal with your post

cheers bro

I believe the Quran my dear.and I want you to do the same.the bible says Jesus could not have being killed because in Deuteronomy 21:23 and Galatians 3:13 says that that would be a curse.and in Mathew  Jesus said this:

Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:


God also opposes human sacrifice and parents sacrificing their children (see the opening post).so why do you believe God would Himself commit what He considers a blasphemy and an abomination?stop believing in “human sacrifice”,ok?be a good boy!

LagosShia:

Do you want me go post your accusation on the thread on shiachat for you to believe me?didnt you see that “contentedself” is also a member there?

What is really intellectual you want to discuss by throwing insults and using bad language?is that what Jesus taught you? must I lie to you before you believe?

Ok since u want me to believe that the so 'called article was written by your self no qualms. Its left to u and your conscience to fight that out. Meanwhile what if i told u that i am also a member of the the same forum which u alleged u first made the post? would u believe me?

LagosShia:

So your above blabbing is your rebuttal to “human sacrifice”?lol

Go sidon look joo. I haven't stopped. For every fallacy u posted i return with a rebbutal and i'm still doing and will continue to do till u stop posting fallacy. ok?

LagosShia:

Offering a human life as a “ransom” is “human sacrifice”.accusing till thy kingdom come and insulting me is no rebuttal.that is not how debates are conducted.

Take note note of the word in bold. Let me teach u something about the law of contract. For 'an offer to be valid there must be acceptance otherwise its just an invitation to treat'. If any offers a life and the offeror resists the offer that doesnt make valid. would u still regard that as a ransom for human sacrifice?

Another scenario. A kinapper wants money as a ransom for a Hostage. The relative of the hostage decides to give in a sacrifice of money in order for the hostage to be released. Later the kidnappers released the hostage and 2 days later returned the money sacrificial ransom. Would u still regard that as a sacrifice of money?

LagosShia:

And this tells me that Jesus was only sent to the Jews and not for the gentiles (another contradiction)tsk,tsk,tsk:

Matthew 15:24
But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.


Matthew 10:5
These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:

I thought i ve educated u on what i meant on how the biblical verses are arranged in order of events. See John 3 vs16. As your prophet never visited Nigeria or Benin republic when he was alive does that mean he was only sent to Mecca/medina? After resurrection, this was the commandment from the same Matthew which u have quoted. M't:28:18: And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
M't:28:19: Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
M't:28:20: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Pls see the characters in bold. Another biblical verse confirming the message to the whole world is this

Act:1:8: But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
So my bro i dont know what else to say to u. I'm here in Nigeria and telling about the message of christ as its directed both in Matthew and Acts of the apostle many years ago by Jesus. He could have said pls my apostles dont go into the world o. pls stay with my family alone. Couldn't he? but did he do?

LagosShia:

Read:

Holy Quran 22:37
It is not their meat nor their blood that reaches Allah: it is your piety that reaches Him: He has thus made them subject to you, that ye may glorify Allah for His guidance to you: and proclaim the Good News to all who do right.

It is the piety that matters.if sacrificing tones of animals does not help,I don’t see how sacrificing one man would.as the Quran says,it is piety that matters.so you can commit a genocide and sacrifice more “sons of god” and carry out more human sacrifice,that will not help you either to attain salvation.

Stop being childish. I have asked u to show me where christians perform annual ritual of killing any life animal human being or lower animal for piety or for any other purpose. We dont need those things cause its meaningless and i dont understand how killing animal will serve as piety for anyone.

This is what the bible says Heb:12:24: And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Jesus is the ultimate mr Lagosshia and that is sufficient as a piety other than killing ram every year costing close to N50,000. Some muslims even go as far as borrowing money for this annual sacrifice. Is that also commanded in the Quran?

LagosShia:

Lol…

So what basically you’re saying here is that the god that inspired Deuteronomy 21:23 and even Galatians 3:13 calling those “crucified” or “hanged on a tree”  that they are “cursed” is not the same god who inspired the alleged “killing/crucifixion” of Jesus? If it is the same God that inspires both Deuteronomy 21:23 and verses you’d use to propagate Jesus’ “death” such as those in 1 corinthians 15,then  Jesus could not have dies.this is especially so because in Mathew Jesus said:

Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels

I never knew that your god can change and contradict his law depending on the time and his mood.

What are u saying here? u are just mixing things up and unintelligently interpreting the bible. The laws are clear. Jesus was accused of so many things which he never did out of jealousy. He was condemned as a criminal and the judgement that is meted to criminals according to the laws that operated in the land and also according to the wish of the accusers was passed down to him. I hope u see this genuinely.
See the full gist in Matthew 27

M't:27:11: And Jesus stood before the governor: and the governor asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And Jesus said unto him, Thou sayest.
M't:27:12: And when he was accused of the chief priests and elders, he answered nothing.
M't:27:13: Then said Pilate unto him, Hearest thou not how many things they witness against thee?
Pls fellow careful the characters in bold below

M't:27:14: And he answered him to never a word; insomuch that the governor marvelled greatly.
M't:27:15: Now at that feast the governor was wont to release unto the people a prisoner, whom they would.
M't:27:16: And they had then a notable prisoner, called Barabbas.
M't:27:17: Therefore when they were gathered together, Pilate said unto them, Whom will ye that I release unto you? Barabbas, or Jesus which is called Christ?
M't:27:18: For he knew that for envy they had delivered him.

Try to link this to what i was saying above that Jesus was being accused out of envy and Jealousy. Even the governor knew Jesus committed no sin.

M't:27:19: When he was set down on the judgment seat, his wife sent unto him, saying, Have thou nothing to do with that just man: for I have suffered many things this day in a dream because of him.

Even the wife knew Jesus was Just

Carefully note also the bold words below

M't:27:20: But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus.
M't:27:21: The governor answered and said unto them, Whether of the twain will ye that I release unto you? They said, Barabbas.
M't:27:22: Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified.
M't:27:23: And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.

So jesus was crucified as a wish of the people in accordance to the laid down custom of the land

M't:27:24: When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
M't:27:25: Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

I posted the biblical verse to back up my claims that the law is law. i.e in the land who so ever is confirmed as a criminal will be crucified. The Deuteronomy u quoted has no relevant to the case of Jesus. He was never a cursed person nor a criminal but was so condemned as one out of envy. More so in accordance with what has been predetermined and predestined event that must take place for the redemption of souls. That he may bear part of our suffering and share part of the pains ordinary man pass through in times of tribulation.

I hope u will genuinely reason and see that im  telling u the absolute truth as someone who should learn things about the crucifixion other than believing false things that u might has heard about Christ and Easter.

LagosShia:

I’m not the one who wrote the verses in the NT  where it is recorded more than once that Jesus said of his own he can do nothing.so whatever he did,it was not his power.

I see dishonesty here and an attempt to deliberately draw back our discussion. If Jesus said that, its because of humility and not that he cannot do what can can do. Pls dont draw this discussion backwards again. Take it for the last time


Ph'p:2:5: Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Ph'p:2:6: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Note the two verses in bold. Tells u the equality of christ and God. see more below

Ph'p:2:7: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Ph'p:2:8: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

LagosShia:

Ok.how old are u?

Why do u ask? i'm 14 years old

LagosShia:

This is not an insult contest.i thought you said you want to educate me.does your church teach you to educate people on vulgar language?

I dont think i insulted u in any way. If i did, discard it then and lets move on.

LagosShia:

I thought Jesus said you should love your enemies and turn the other cheek.so obvious how deviant you’re.

BTW who is the enemy here? i cant see enemity  between us. Except if only muslims are told in the quran that anyone thats not a muslim is your enemy. If so, your quran is faulty cos the bible doesn't regard no follower of christ as enemies

LagosShia:

The point is,no matter the power Jesus has and no matter what he did or “undid” (pardon the word),he said “of my own I can do nothing”.so a “god” that can do nothing on his own is a useless god.

For the umpteenth time do i have to repeat my self? this is dishonesty and an attempt to draw this discussion to a stalemate
I see dishonesty here and an attempt to deliberately draw back our discussion. If Jesus said that, its because of humility and not that he cannot do what can can do. Pls dont draw this discussion backwards again. Take it for the last time


Ph'p:2:5: Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Ph'p:2:6: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Note the two verses in bold. Tells u the equality of christ and God. see more below

Ph'p:2:7: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Ph'p:2:8: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

LagosShia:

Many prophets before also died earthly deaths.

How many have resurrected or How many resurrected after 2 days?

LagosShia:

The point is without the alleged “crucifixion” there could be no “resurrection”.so no “human sacrifice” therefore no alleged “resurrection”.

U are convulsing and contradicting your self. This i saw and pointed out in my OP on this thread of your insincerity and purposely wanting to incite. Tell me which do u believe or which side do u stand on?

LagosShia:

So you really expect me to engage you on the above?lol…

Of cousre i did expected u to do so. I'm in Nigeria so do u i guess and which should be of concern to u and i. So do me they favour of comparing the tenure of muslims side by side with the christian leaders in Nigeria in the last 50 years

LagosShia:

If you total all the wars fought by Christians and all the lives wasted,the muslims are just students in killing.your theology is based on human sacrifice.not only that,your god sacrificed his son because he could not forgive and tamper justice with mercy.he sacrificed his innocent son rather than punishing the guilty.that is called injustice!if yo

Really? how many wars did your noble prophet fought and how many people did he kill?

LagosShia:

Ok.

Fine kindly provide answers to my questions on this thread as u are the one that started the topic and not me

LagosShia:

All those books you’re mentioning are not meant to have being written in succession.they are all meant to be accounts of the life and teachings of Jesus.so your “succession” hallucination does not matter here

OMG i have to educate u once again so as not to misrepresent my post. I told that Matthew 1 came before Matthew 2 like Mark1 before mark 2 and john 1 before john 2. Events were recorded as they happened. Matthew 1 started with genealogy to the birth of christ and proceeded t chapters 2, 3, 4, 5 etc till the death of christ as recorded in chapter 27. Likewise other accounts were in successorship order. U quoted Matthew 25 and i in turn quoted early chapters in the order of how events were recorded. ok? Pls i beg u not to draw this discussion back wards.

LagosShia:

.the question is:was Jesus willing or not willing to die?evidently from the NT in not only one book,Jesus was not prepared to die.

Same thing i wrote above is applicable here.
I told that Matthew 1 came before Matthew 2 like Mark1 before mark 2 and john 1 before john 2. Events were recorded as they happened. Matthew 1 started with genealogy to the birth of christ and proceeded t chapters 2, 3, 4, 5 etc till the death of christ as recorded in chapter 27. Likewise other accounts were in successorship order. U quoted Matthew 25 and i in turn quoted earl chapters for in the order of how events were recorded. ok? Pls i beg u not to draw this discussion back wards.

Let me show u practical example

these came first

M't:17:22: And while they abode in Galilee, Jesus said unto them, The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men:

M't:26:21: And as they did eat, he said, Verily I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me.
and lastly

M't:26:24: The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.
The above verses came before the below showing us that jesus knew what shall befall him before hand

M't:26:39: And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

Even at that, the will of God in accordance to what was written still came to past not so?

M't:27:63: Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.
the above verse is referring matt 26 which came before matt 27

LagosShia:

Voting for what you call “muslim rulers” is not a Christian decision.if all muslims in Nigeria vote for a muslim and no rigging takes place the muslim will win.

According to which stats tell us this? do u think that is possible for all muslims can 'all' agree to vote for a muslim in a multi religious country like Nigeria?

LagosShia:

you’re more ignorant than those illiterates causing violence.ive told you that muslims voted for GEJ.if those muslims opposed to GEJ want to use religion as a pretext for violence,that their business.

Why are u doing what u told me not to do? 'Insult' If muslims voted for him like u claimed why are the same muslims calling him an unbeliever? claiming that an unbeliever cannot rule them. why? Many churches were burnt nah. Christians were killed. Its already a religious crises nah. Pleas what CNN, BBC, Aljazeera, France24 international news channels and u'll confirm that its the muslims that are leading the religious crises.  Pls does islam encourages violence?

Again i wept yesterday 23rd April 2011 when i saw what the islamic president of Syria was doing to his own fellow country men. see Ghadaffi as well. yemen. Iran, Algeria. Does islam encourages viloence?

LagosShia:

lol

You laughed and left the question unanswered. Does islam encourages violence?

LagosShia:

Ok.

Are u now willing to be honest and allow us move the discussion forward?

LagosShia:

Yes.

after doing that, what did u see?

LagosShia:

I believe the Quran my dear.and I want you to do the same.

ok. But quran says u should fight christians, why are u not carrying guns to fight the unbelievr in jihad? come and shoot me in order to obey the quran

LagosShia:

the bible says Jesus could not have being killed because in Deuteronomy 21:23 and Galatians 3:13 says that that would be a curse.and in Mathew  Jesus said this:

Where specifically did the bible say this?

LagosShia:

Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Why chasing shadows? was the above verse talking about Jesus? does it say Jesus is cursed? Who is being quoted in the verse?

LagosShia:

God also opposes human sacrifice and parents sacrificing their children (see the opening post).so why do you believe God would Himself commit what He considers a blasphemy and an abomination?stop believing in “human sacrifice”,ok?be a good boy!

where did it take place in the bible?

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Happy Easter Sunday to u and other Muslims. I love u all

God bless u

welcome "jesus.".it seems "sweetnecta" was right.you've been missing here since friday as "sweetnecta" predicted.welcome back.how was it under there? 

jesus.:

Ok since u want me to believe that the so 'called article was written by your self no qualms. Its left to u and your conscience to fight that out. Meanwhile what if i told u that i am also a member of the the same forum which u alleged u first made the post? would u believe me?

i did not say i'm a member of the catholic forum.i said i'm the member of shiachat where i also posted the article.it is from there (shiachat) that the person who posted in the catholic forum got my article with my knowledge.

Go sidon look joo.

i sidon now!if i stand you go run.

I haven't stopped. For every fallacy u posted i return with a rebbutal and i'm still doing and will continue to do till u stop posting fallacy. ok?
Take note note of the word in bold. Let me teach u something about the law of contract. For 'an offer to be valid there must be acceptance otherwise its just an invitation to treat'. If any offers a life and the offeror resists the offer that doesnt make valid. would u still regard that as a ransom for human sacrifice?

Another scenario. A kinapper wants money as a ransom for a Hostage. The relative of the hostage decides to give in a sacrifice of money in order for the hostage to be released. Later the kidnappers released the hostage and 2 days later returned the money sacrificial ransom. Would u still regard that as a sacrifice of money?

offering a human life from whoever and to whoever for sacrfice is called human sacrifice.the babalao can do the same.

so your "god" is a kidnapper shebi?no wonder kidnappings thrive in the predominantly christian south-east and south-south.good you're exposing your corrupt beliefs here for the world to see!shebi na christianity dey tell una to kidnap people?how many did you kidnap for this easter?

you're comparing human life (Jesus) to money.how shameful of you. 

by the way,in the case of your belief,it is your god that demanded for blood and it him that offered it to himself.what do you call someone who thrives on blood? was you and i the ones who slaughtered/offered  Jesusas sacrifice?

I thought i ve educated u on what i meant on how the biblical verses are arranged in order of events. See John 3 vs16. As your prophet never visited Nigeria or Benin republic when he was alive does that mean he was only sent to Mecca/medina? After resurrection, this was the commandment from the same Matthew which u have quoted. M't:28:18: And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
M't:28:19: Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
M't:28:20: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Pls see the characters in bold. Another biblical verse confirming the message to the whole world is this

Act:1:8: But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
So my bro i dont know what else to say to u. I'm here in Nigeria and telling about the message of christ as its directed both in Matthew and Acts of the apostle many years ago by Jesus. He could have said pls my apostles dont go into the world o. pls stay with my family alone. Couldn't he? but did he do?

i dont know if there were two Jesus.one said he was only sent to the "lost sheep of the house of Israel",meaning he was only sent to jews.while you're presenting another account of supposedly the same Jesus saying "go into the world".which one i go follow?which one na the true Jesus? you for ask urself that one!

Stop being childish. I have asked u to show me where christians perform annual ritual of killing any life animal human being or lower animal for piety or for any other purpose. We dont need those things cause its meaningless and i dont understand how killing animal will serve as piety for anyone.

This is what the bible says Heb:12:24: And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

yeah,am sure the experience of your "heavenly" father sacrificing his "only begotten son" was so terrible,so it only happened just once!

slaughtering a ram is only meant to be a symbol.i have presented you a Quranic verse where God said he does not require meat and blood but the piety.i dont know where you read that slaughtering a ram will serve as "piety".

Jesus is the ultimate mr Lagosshia and that is sufficient as a piety other than killing ram every year costing close to N50,000. Some muslims even go as far as borrowing money for this annual sacrifice. Is that also commanded in the Quran?

i love Jesus more than you do and i am more generous than you.i am ready to spend not only 50,000 every year,but 500,000 every year if that can spare Jesus the "curse" of "crucifixion" (deuteronomy 21:13,galatians 3:30).you christians love money so much,you'd rather have the son of your "god" to be disgraced and slaughtered than for you to spend money.

or better still,you people can do this:

What are u saying here? u are just mixing things up and unintelligently interpreting the bible. The laws are clear. Jesus was accused of so many things which he never did out of jealousy. He was condemned as a criminal and the judgement that is meted to criminals according to the laws that operated in the land and also according to the wish of the accusers was passed down to him. I hope u see this genuinely.
See the full gist in Matthew 27

M't:27:11: And Jesus stood before the governor: and the governor asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And Jesus said unto him, Thou sayest.
M't:27:12: And when he was accused of the chief priests and elders, he answered nothing.
M't:27:13: Then said Pilate unto him, Hearest thou not how many things they witness against thee?
Pls fellow careful the characters in bold below

M't:27:14: And he answered him to never a word; insomuch that the governor marvelled greatly.
M't:27:15: Now at that feast the governor was wont to release unto the people a prisoner, whom they would.
M't:27:16: And they had then a notable prisoner, called Barabbas.
M't:27:17: Therefore when they were gathered together, Pilate said unto them, Whom will ye that I release unto you? Barabbas, or Jesus which is called Christ?
M't:27:18: For he knew that for envy they had delivered him.

Try to link this to what i was saying above that Jesus was being accused out of envy and Jealousy. Even the governor knew Jesus committed no sin.

M't:27:19: When he was set down on the judgment seat, his wife sent unto him, saying, Have thou nothing to do with that just man: for I have suffered many things this day in a dream because of him.

Even the wife knew Jesus was Just

Carefully note also the bold words below

M't:27:20: But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus.
M't:27:21: The governor answered and said unto them, Whether of the twain will ye that I release unto you? They said, Barabbas.
M't:27:22: Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified.
M't:27:23: And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.

So jesus was crucified as a wish of the people in accordance to the laid down custom of the land

M't:27:24: When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
M't:27:25: Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

I posted the biblical verse to back up my claims that the law is law. i.e in the land who so ever is confirmed as a criminal will be crucified. The Deuteronomy u quoted has no relevant to the case of Jesus. He was never a cursed person nor a criminal but was so condemned as one out of envy. More so in accordance with what has been predetermined and predestined event that must take place for the redemption of souls. That he may bear part of our suffering and share part of the pains ordinary man pass through in times of tribulation.

I hope u will genuinely reason and see that im  telling u the absolute truth as someone who should learn things about the crucifixion other than believing false things that u might has heard about Christ and Easter.

story-go story-come!
story-story?story!
once upon a time?time time!

I see dishonesty here and an attempt to deliberately draw back our discussion. If Jesus said that, its because of humility and not that he cannot do what can can do. Pls dont draw this discussion backwards again. Take it for the last time


Ph'p:2:5: Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Ph'p:2:6: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Note the two verses in bold. Tells u the equality of christ and God. see more below

Ph'p:2:7: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Ph'p:2:8: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

humility?
why would a "god" prove to his creatures he is "humble"?do you know what "humble" means?and do you know what "of my own i can do nothing" means".if its because of humility,then he was lying!

Why do u ask? i'm 14 years old

well,our age difference is not that big.but you should ask your dad to help you here.tell him to come and join the discussion,so i can make it a double and humble father and son.
on a serious note,if you're truly 14,then i commend you.my advice to you is to find out more about "Shia-Islam".i pray you get guidance.

I dont think i insulted u in any way. If i did, discard it then and lets move on.

good boy.

BTW who is the enemy here? i cant see enemity  between us. Except if only muslims are told in the quran that anyone thats not a muslim is your enemy. If so, your quran is faulty cos the bible doesn't regard no follower of christ as enemies

have you forgotten you called our Prophet of God "filthy"?and you said you're not insulting and you dont see us as enemies.

For the umpteenth time do i have to repeat my self? this is dishonesty and an attempt to draw this discussion to a stalemate
I see dishonesty here and an attempt to deliberately draw back our discussion. If Jesus said that, its because of humility and not that he cannot do what can can do. Pls dont draw this discussion backwards again. Take it for the last time


Ph'p:2:5: Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Ph'p:2:6: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Note the two verses in bold. Tells u the equality of christ and God. see more below

Ph'p:2:7: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Ph'p:2:8: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

there is NO "humility" in lying son.take that as an advice.if he can do anything by himself,he would have never said "by my own self i can do nothing".all the instances you presnted of how powerful Jesus was,shows that power is from God and not from him.

How many have resurrected or How many resurrected after 2 days?

Lazarus!

in less than a day.please dont forget what Jesus said:"of my own self i can do nothing".

U are convulsing and contradicting your self. This i saw and pointed out in my OP on this thread of your insincerity and purposely wanting to incite. Tell me which do u believe or which side do u stand on?

i stand on this:

Holy Quran 4:157-158

Of cousre i did expected u to do so. I'm in Nigeria so do u i guess and which should be of concern to u and i. So do me they favour of comparing the tenure of muslims side by side with the christian leaders in Nigeria in the last 50 years

those leaders are no more muslims than hitler or musolini was christian.

Really? how many wars did your noble prophet fought and how many people did he kill?

he fought no war.he defended himself against those who declared war on him.

Fine kindly provide answers to my questions on this thread as u are the one that started the topic and not me

bring them on.but dont ask me how about the number of time you wet the bed.

OMG i have to educate u once again so as not to misrepresent my post. I told that Matthew 1 came before Matthew 2 like Mark1 before mark 2 and john 1 before john 2. Events were recorded as they happened. Matthew 1 started with genealogy to the birth of christ and proceeded t chapters 2, 3, 4, 5 etc till the death of christ as recorded in chapter 27. Likewise other accounts were in successorship order. U quoted Matthew 25 and i in turn quoted early chapters in the order of how events were recorded. ok? Pls i beg u not to draw this discussion back wards.
Same thing i wrote above is applicable here.
I told that Matthew 1 came before Matthew 2 like Mark1 before mark 2 and john 1 before john 2. Events were recorded as they happened. Matthew 1 started with genealogy to the birth of christ and proceeded t chapters 2, 3, 4, 5 etc till the death of christ as recorded in chapter 27. Likewise other accounts were in successorship order. U quoted Matthew 25 and i in turn quoted earl chapters for in the order of how events were recorded. ok? Pls i beg u not to draw this discussion back wards.

Let me show u practical example

these came first

M't:17:22: And while they abode in Galilee, Jesus said unto them, The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men:

M't:26:21: And as they did eat, he said, Verily I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me.
and lastly

M't:26:24: The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born.
The above verses came before the below showing us that jesus knew what shall befall him before hand

M't:26:39: And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

Even at that, the will of God in accordance to what was written still came to past not so?

M't:27:63: Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.
the above verse is referring matt 26 which came before matt 27

have you ever read the bible?

all the books of the new testament were written after Jesus has left.there is no sequence as you're imagining son.

besides,Jesus is a man of God and also according to you the bible is inspired.so even if it was written as you supposed,God cannot say in one place "no to child sacrifice" while in another place he "sacrifices" his own son.does that make sense to you?

According to which stats tell us this? do u think that is possible for all muslims can 'all' agree to vote for a muslim in a multi religious country like Nigeria?

it is not possible so that is why you should stop accusing muslims of being violent.did you not get the election results?Jonathan got more than 5 million of 22 million votes from the north.and the south-west and middle-belt muslims voted for him.

Why are u doing what u told me not to do? 'Insult' If muslims voted for him like u claimed why are the same muslims calling him an unbeliever? claiming that an unbeliever cannot rule them. why? Many churches were burnt nah. Christians were killed. Its already a religious crises nah. Pleas what CNN, BBC, Aljazeera, France24 international news channels and u'll confirm that its the muslims that are leading the religious crises.  Pls does islam encourages violence?

just as all muslims cannot agree to vote for a muslim,all muslims do not also agree on burning churches and killing innocent people.ok?

Again i wept yesterday 23rd April 2011 when i saw what the islamic president of Syria was doing to his own fellow country men. see Ghadaffi as well. yemen. Iran, Algeria. Does islam encourages viloence?

non of those are "muslim leaders".all of them are secular and anti-islamic.infact they are puppets of the west.the west have put them there to suppress the voice of the people.they are no more muslim than hitler was christian.wont you also cry when you read what hitler did?was he not christian?

You laughed and left the question unanswered. Does islam encourages violence?

Are u now willing to be honest and allow us move the discussion forward?

after doing that, what did u see?

beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

ok. But quran says u should fight christians, why are u not carrying guns to fight the unbelievr in jihad? come and shoot me in order to obey the quran
Where specifically did the bible say this?

where did the Quran say that?

you want to know where the bible say that?:

(a) “Now therefore KILL every male among the little ones, and KILL every woman (female) that hath known man by lying (having sex) with him. “But keep ALIVE for yourselves all the GIRLS and all the women who are VIRGINS.” NUMBERS 31:17-18 “And the Jews salvaged for themselves 32,000 virgins, verse 35; see also verse 40.

(b) But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou (o Jews) shall save alive NOTHING that BREATHES. DEUTERONOMY 20:16

(c) ‘And they (the Jews) UTTERLY DESTROYED all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, ox and sheep, and backside, with the edge of the sword ” JOSHUA 6:21 (Even donkeys were not spared)

(d) “He (Joshua) let NONE remain alive.” Joshua 10:28

(e) your "god" murdered 50,070 for looking into a box (?) 1SAMUEL 6:19

1 Samuel 6:19

19And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.

Why chasing shadows? was the above verse talking about Jesus? does it say Jesus is cursed? Who is being quoted in the verse?
where did it take place in the bible?

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someone "killed"/"crucified" is cursed, check deuteronomy 21:23.

Jesus was "cursed" according to Paul, check galatians 3:30

Happy Easter Sunday to u and other Muslims. I love u all

God bless u

we love you too!

greet your daddy;and your mommy too!

LagosShia:

welcome "jesus.".it seems "sweetnecta" was right.you've been missing here since friday as "sweetnecta" predicted.welcome back.how was it under there? 

Thank very much for the kind gesture. The resurrection service was very beautiful and interesting. I did enjoyed my self a great deal

LagosShia:

i did not say i'm a member of the catholic forum.i said i'm the member of shiachat where i also posted the article.it is from there (shiachat) that the person who posted in the catholic forum got my article with my knowledge.

Whatever. I said i ve left you to debate with ur conscience if u are telling the truth or other wise. U didn't answer my question though which is this 'Meanwhile what if i told u that i am also a member of the the same forum which u alleged u first made the post? would u believe me?'

LagosShia:

i sidon now!if i stand you go run.

What does this mean? If u like stand on top of a moving train who cares?

LagosShia:

offering a human life from whoever and to whoever for sacrfice is called human sacrifice.the babalao can do the same.

No i have to educate u about law again. If theres no acceptance from the offeree and the offeror, u cant regard that as a done deal or sacrifice in any manner. ok?

LagosShia:

so your "god" is a kidnapper shebi?no wonder kidnappings thrive in the predominantly christian south-east and south-south.good you're exposing your corrupt beliefs here for the world to see!shebi na christianity dey tell una to kidnap people?how many did you kidnap for this easter?

you're comparing human life (Jesus) to money.how shameful of you. 

What does this mean? is it an attempt to shift the post? I gave u a scenario to educate u about the law and never did i say God was or is a kidnapper get mr man. or did i say such?

LagosShia:

by the way,in the case of your belief,it is your god that demanded for blood and it him that offered it to himself.what do you call someone who thrives on blood? was you and i the ones who slaughtered/offered Jesusas sacrifice?

U are still convulsing and mixing up things. Does God tell the christians to sacrifice any animal to him annually? U should respond regarding what to call someone who thrives on blood since u guys love to shed both the blood of human being and that of animals. not so? Jesus was here to bear the sins of man to bring reconciliation thats what happened during easter.

LagosShia:

i dont know if there were two Jesus.one said he was only sent to the "lost sheep of the house of Israel",meaning he was only sent to jews.while you're presenting another account of supposedly the same Jesus saying "go into the world".which one i go follow?which one na the true Jesus? you for ask urself that one!

This was the fear i earlier exhibited about ur insincerity. I did posted biblical verses to show the order of which the account of events were recorded and went as afr as posting Acts of apostle. Yet u still purposely brought this up? U simply dont want to learn and stylishly bring backwards this debate.

M't:28:19: Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
M't:28:20: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Pls see the characters in bold. Another biblical verse confirming the message to the whole world is this

Act:1:8: But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

I dont know how someone in Nigeria would have accepted Jesus if Jesus wasnt sent to him. does that make any sense to u?

LagosShia:

yeah,am sure the experience of your "heavenly" father sacrificing his "only begotten son" was so terrible,so it only happened just once!

slaughtering a ram is only meant to be a symbol.i have presented you a Quranic verse where God said he does not require meat and blood but the piety.i dont know where you read that slaughtering a ram will serve as "piety".

What u need to have grasp of is the significance and intent of the event that it was meant for reconciliation and it was achieved thats why evry sinner that calls that powerful name and repents he gets save and reconciled unto God. Unlike u moslems that needs to be shedding animal blood annually for ever until death. We dont have to do that at all

LagosShia:

[b]i love Jesus more than you do and i am more generous than you.[/b]i am ready to spend not only 50,000 every year,but 500,000 every year if that can spare Jesus the "curse" of "crucifixion" (deuteronomy 21:13,galatians 3:30).you christians love money so much,you'd rather have the son of your "god" to be disgraced and slaughtered than for you to spend money.

or better still,you people can do this:

buhahahahahahah. buhahahahahahah. Jesu said

Joh:14:15: If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh:14:23: Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.


Joh:10:17: Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
I cant help but laugh at u saying u love jesus. If ur love is not fake, then obey the commandments of Jesus and also believe in his resurrection otherwise u are just deceiving ur self.
Lagosshai i have being trying to educate u free of charge. Learn to get facts before making claims. U cant love a man(jesus) yet fail to believe in his message. ok? cos if u do, eternal life awaits u. Like the above verse did say, Jesus laid down his life in accordance with the will of God and hes not cursed. If u truly love him, believe in his message. Simple

LagosShia:

story-go story-come!
story-story?story!
once upon a time?time time!

Another example of insincerity and an attempt to drawback our discussion. I spent 3 hours compiling a good write up for u to educate ur self with. Instead of u to read and learn, u called it story? too bad and i will repost it to correct some of ur numerous errors. Pls read this time

'What are u saying here? u are just mixing things up and unintelligently interpreting the bible. The laws are clear. Jesus was accused of so many things which he never did out of jealousy. He was condemned as a criminal and the judgement that is meted to criminals according to the laws that operated in the land and also according to the wish of the accusers was passed down to him. I hope u see this genuinely.
See the full gist in Matthew 27

M't:27:11: And Jesus stood before the governor: and the governor asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And Jesus said unto him, Thou sayest.
M't:27:12: And when he was accused of the chief priests and elders, he answered nothing.
M't:27:13: Then said Pilate unto him, Hearest thou not how many things they witness against thee?
Pls fellow careful the characters in bold below

M't:27:14: And he answered him to never a word; insomuch that the governor marvelled greatly.
M't:27:15: Now at that feast the governor was wont to release unto the people a prisoner, whom they would.
M't:27:16: And they had then a notable prisoner, called Barabbas.
M't:27:17: Therefore when they were gathered together, Pilate said unto them, Whom will ye that I release unto you? Barabbas, or Jesus which is called Christ?
M't:27:18: For he knew that for envy they had delivered him.

Try to link this to what i was saying above that Jesus was being accused out of envy and Jealousy. Even the governor knew Jesus committed no sin.

M't:27:19: When he was set down on the judgment seat, his wife sent unto him, saying, Have thou nothing to do with that just man: for I have suffered many things this day in a dream because of him.

Even the wife knew Jesus was Just

Carefully note also the bold words below

M't:27:20: But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus.
M't:27:21: The governor answered and said unto them, Whether of the twain will ye that I release unto you? They said, Barabbas.
M't:27:22: Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified.
M't:27:23: And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.

So jesus was crucified as a wish of the people in accordance to the laid down custom of the land

M't:27:24: When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
M't:27:25: Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

I posted the biblical verse to back up my claims that the law is law. i.e in the land who so ever is confirmed as a criminal will be crucified. The Deuteronomy u quoted has no relevant to the case of Jesus. He was never a cursed person nor a criminal but was so condemned as one out of envy. More so in accordance with what has been predetermined and predestined event that must take place for the redemption of souls. That he may bear part of our suffering and share part of the pains ordinary man pass through in times of tribulation.

I hope u will genuinely reason and see that im telling u the absolute truth as someone who should learn things about the crucifixion other than believing false things that u might has heard about Christ and Easter.'

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this is to help u know that Jesus isnt cursed.

LagosShia:

humility?
why would a "god" prove to his creatures he is "humble"?do you know what "humble" means?and do you know what "of my own i can do nothing" means".if its because of humility,then he was lying!

Another attempt to lead us to a stale mate but it wouldnt work with me. If u are humble, u'll think lowly of ur self esteem and reder than self as a mere servant which Jesus did as stated here

h'p:2:5: Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Ph'p:2:6: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Note the two verses in bold. Tells u the equality of christ and God. see more below

Ph'p:2:7: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Ph'p:2:8: And being found in fashion as a man, he[b] humbled himself,[/b] and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
it doesn't mean he had no powers. Remember he did miracles like raising the dead, restoring sight and forgiving a sin which no man has power to do except a God yet Jesus did it.

LagosShia:

well,our age difference is not that big.but you should ask y[b]our dad to help you here.tell him to come and join the discussion,so i can make it a double and humble father and son. [/b]
on a serious note,if you're truly 14,then i commend you.my advice to you is to find out more about "Shia-Islam".i pray you get guidance.

My dad? buhahhhhahhahah buhahahahahahahah. I would have loved to call him on board but his late and he died in early 2000 at the age of 93. So that tell u something about my age? though im the last child

LagosShia:

good boy.

Thank u sir for the compliment

LagosShia:

have you forgotten you called our Prophet of God "filthy"?and you said you're not insulting and you dont see us as enemies.

I said u should discard it. I would have shown u some link about my old self in 2010 of fierce i was when debating with muslims. I was very though then but i promised not to so such again. If i showed u the link u might run away from me as a very though hardliner with facts

LagosShia:

there is NO "humility" in lying son.take that as an advice.if he can do anything by himself,he would have never said "by my own self i can do nothing".all the instances you presnted of how powerful Jesus was,shows that power is from God and not from him.

Yes to some extent u are correct but then God made Jesus so powerful as God himself that Jesus was able to do what only God could do. For instance he forgave sins etc. Now Going to the context of the passage u are qouting where he said he could do nothing on his own, it was humilty cos prior to that time Jesus already had that powers. See what i mean here

Col:1:15: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col:1:16: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col:1:17: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

The powers were already there prior to the verse u are quoting which is why i said its still humility cos he is a God by virtue of what was written in the Philippians that i quoted for u

LagosShia:


Lazarus!

in less than a day.please dont forget what Jesus said:"of my own self i can do nothing".

Pls permit me to laugh at u again. Buhahahahahahaah buhahahahahahahaha.

Who is the subject of our discussion here? Jesus
Who raised Lazarus back to Life? Jesus
Lazarus didn't raise himself but the Giver of Life in Christ Jesus brought him back to life. Have u read about one popular Ghanian called D Lawrence? Pls do read about him. He said he would die and resurrect like Jesus. Yes he did died but what Happened to Him was very funny kindly read it up. Jesus was the only person to do such to date

LagosShia:

i stand on this:

Holy Quran 4:157-158

Can u tell me whats written therein?

LagosShia:

those leaders are no more muslims than hitler or musolini was christian.

Now to face it. Did they do well or bad for Nigeria? Pls be honest about the muslim leaders

LagosShia:

he fought no war.he defended himself against those who declared war on him.

Really do u want me to provide proofs of wars led by ur prophet?

LagosShia:

bring them on.but dont ask me how about the number of time you wet the bed.

My questions are in my previous posts but u ve dodged them as usual. I cant go to bed now cos i hardly sleep. I sleep sometimes around 1-2am daily and wake up for work by 6.30 am

LagosShia:

have you ever read the bible?

all the books of the new testament were written after Jesus has left.there is no sequence as you're imagining son.

besides,Jesus is a man of God and also according to you the bible is inspired.so even if it was written as you supposed,God cannot say in one place "no to child sacrifice" while in another place he "sacrifices" his own son.does that make sense to you?

U are still convulsing. I have answered this part above

LagosShia:

it is not possible so that is why you should stop accusing muslims of being violent.did you not get the election results?Jonathan got more than 5 million of 22 million votes from the north.and the south-west and middle-belt muslims voted for him.

Why then did u bring up an impossible scenario? was it an attempt to waste our time or draw us back?

LagosShia:

just as all muslims cannot agree to vote for a muslim,all muslims do not also agree on burning churches and killing innocent people.ok?

But as for those that are doind the evil are they doing the right thing according to islamic laws? if u found ur self in there shoes can u also kill, destroy and burn churches?

LagosShia:

non of those are "muslim leaders".all of them are secular and anti-islamic.infact they are puppets of the west.the west have put them there to suppress the voice of the people.they are no more muslim than hitler was christian.wont you also cry when you read what hitler did?was he not christian?

Yes but all of these leaders are carrying the flag of Islam. Does islam support what they are doing to their own citizens?

LagosShia:

beauty is in the eyes of the beholder.

are u beautiful or handsome?

LagosShia:

where did the Quran say that?

Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98

On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161

Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191

Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39

Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. - 9:2-3

When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5

LagosShia:

someone "killed"/"crucified" is cursed, check deuteronomy 21:23.

Jesus was "cursed" according to Paul, check galatians 3:30

No Jesus wasnt crsed but was falsely accussed out of Greed and envy. The passage i gave tells the story. Moreso Joh:10:17: Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. The father loves Jesus and the father didnt curse him cos he laid it down willing

LagosShia:

we love you too!

greet you daddy;and your mommy too!

Thanks for the love but i only have a mummy that is over 60 and no daddy cos he died some years back fully grown

the only relevant allegation laid in your post that i should clarify are the Quranic verses you presented and misinterpreted.i find the need to clarify them because it is the same foolishness that is used to tarnish the image of islam.you can read the pages in the thread below and you will get your answers:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-653197.0.html

as for the rest of the childish post,all have been answered and you can find the answers within this very thread.or better still re-read the OP particularly and the other posts.

Holy Quran 25:63
And the servants of (Allah) Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say "Peace!"

LagosShia:

the only relevant allegation laid in your post that i should clarify are the Quranic verses you presented and misinterpreted.i find the need to clarify them because it is the same foolishness that is used to tarnish the image of islam.you can read the pages in the thread below and you will get your answers:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-653197.0.html

as for the rest of the childish post,all have been answered and you can find the answers within this very thread.or better still re-read the OP particularly and the other posts.

Holy Quran 25:63
And the servants of (Allah) Most Gracious are those who walk on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say "Peace!"

are u saying the verses aren't directed to unbelievers?

@Jesus;[Quote] deuteronomy 21:23.
Jesus was "cursed" according to Paul, check galatians 3:30

No Jesus wasn't cursed but was falsely accused out of Greed and envy. The passage i gave tells the story. More so John:10:17: Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. The father loves Jesus and the father didn't curse him cos he laid it down willing[/Quote]
How could you deny Galatians 3;30 a New Testament's verse from Apostle Paul if you decided to deny Deuteronomy 21;23 because its from Old Testament? The Old and New Testaments say by the verse above that he was cursed. Apostle Paul, your leader in Christianity said he was cursed for you. Are you denying Apostle Paul or what are you saying? Please correct the Bible or correct yourself.

Sweetnecta:

@Jesus;How could you deny Galatians 3;30 a New Testament's verse from Apostle Paul if you decided to deny Deuteronomy 21;23 because its from Old Testament? The Old and New Testaments say by the verse above that he was cursed. Apostle Paul, your leader in Christianity said he was cursed for you. Are you denying Apostle Paul or what are you saying? Please correct the Bible or correct yourself.

Was the name 'Jesus' mentioned in any of the verses as the cursed one?

jesus.:

are u saying the verses aren't directed to unbelievers?

the verses are directed at the unbelievers not because they worshipped stone or idols.the unbelievers were fought because they declared war and they were oppressing the rights of the muslims from the beginning.it was never the muslims or the Prophet who offended the unbelievers.in this case,the "unbelievers" refers to the idol worshipping pagans of pre-islamic jahiliyyah Makkah.

you should consider the below verses from page no. 3 of the nairaland link i asked you to check but obviously you have not:


HOLY QURAN 5:32:
whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely.

(SHOW ME ONE VERSE FROM THE ENTIRE BIBLE LIKE THE ABOVE!)


HOLY QURAN 2:190:
Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors.

HOLY QURAN 7:55:
(O mankind!) Call upon your Lord humbly and in secret. Lo! He loveth not aggressors.

HOLY QURAN 8:61:
"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is the One that Heareth and Knoweth (all things)."

HOLY QURAN 5:2:
" , and let not the hatred of some people in (once) shutting you out of the Sacred Mosque lead you to transgression (and hostility on your part). Help ye one another in righteousness and piety, but help ye not one another in sin and rancour: fear Allah: for Allah is strict in punishment."

HOLY QURAN 41:34:
"Nor can Goodness and Evil be equal. Repel (Evil) with what is better: then will he between whom and thee was hatred become as it were thy friend and intimate!"

HOLY QURAN 4:135:
"O ye who believe! stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest ye swerve, and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice, verily Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do."

HOLY QURAN 16:90
"God advocates justice, charity, and regarding the relatives. And He forbids evil, vice, and transgression. He enlightens you, that you may take heed."

HOLY QURAN 16:126:
"And if ye do punish them, punish them no worse than they punished you: but if ye show patience, that is indeed the best (course) for those who are patient."

HOLY QURAN 21:107:
"And we have not sent you but as a mercy for the world"

jesus.:

Was the name 'Jesus' mentioned in any of the verses as the cursed one?

it was a mis-type.the references are galatians 3:13 and deuteronomy 21:23.not galatians 3:30.
infact chapter 3 of galatians ends at verse no.29.
here:

Galatians 3:13


13[b]Christ[/b] hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Paul was refering to:

Deuteronomy 21:23
23His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

http://www.christianmessenger.org/lambofgod.htm

Read the above and you will find out why Jesus Christ is God's sacrificial Lamb for the world.

Ndipe:

http://www.christianmessenger.org/lambofgod.htm

Read the above and you will find out why Jesus Christ is God's sacrificial Lamb for the world.

it would be more interesting when christians prove that they truly practice what they believe in.if they think what they believe God did is good,they should emulate him.let them use their sons as "sacrificial lambs".

LagosShia:

it would be more interesting when christians prove that they truly practice what they believe in.if they think what they believe God did is good,they should emulate him.let them use their sons as "sacrificial lambs".

And for what purpose should parents sacrifice their sons when God wouldnt let Abraham do so in the first place, when He offered His only Son, Jesus Christ, in stead to atone for our sins?

Hebrews 10:14 says "For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy."

^^^^^^^^^^^
I didn't see Jesus name in the verse you quoted above. I am assuming that Hebrews is an OT and not a NT book? If it is NT, there is your answer; it is a statement from a verse put up by a zealot.

But Jesus is sent to the house of Israel, to direct the lost sheep among them to the not lost sheep, within the 12 houses of israel.

Are you an Israelite, Ndipe? You are not, there is your answer; you are not included as a lost or the not lost sheep.

If God of the Bible stopped Abraham, then He God should not do what He forbids man. We emulate God's example. Hence if He killed His only son, you should be able to slaughter your only son, just like that, too and i bet you the boy will cry out "my Ndipe, my Ndipe, wy ha thou forsaken me?", after he would have argued hard against you and i am sure if his mother is an oakland california girl, she will go angela davis on you. if she is a nigerian, you are done and they can stick a fork in you. If she is a white girl, you will be arrested and if she is asian, california will will be too small for you.

America will sure you visit the psychiatric ward as a patient.

Ndipe:

And for what purpose should parents sacrifice their sons when God wouldnt let Abraham do so in the first place, when He offered His only Son, Jesus Christ, in stead to atone for our sins?

Hebrews 10:14 says "For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy."

Deuteronomy 12:31
31Thou shall not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hates, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.

From the above God considers sacrificing your children as an abomination, yet Christians ascribe that same abomination to God, sacrificing his own “son”!


Deuteronomy 18:9-12
When you enter the land that GOD, your God, is giving you, don't take on the abominable ways of life of the nations there. Don't you dare sacrifice your son or daughter in the fire. Don't practice divination, sorcery, fortunetelling, witchery, casting spells, holding séances, or channeling with the dead. People who do these things are an abomination to GOD. It's because of just such abominable practices that GOD, your God, is driving these nations out before you.