eastOFwest:


Rubbish! So oyinbo man will draw one crazy map and tell you what you are. I can see that ethnic bias has fatally corrupted some people's brains

Mumu topic.

Signs out.

oga no wine your self Wether mumu brain or not you no be nageria
Na fulani be Nigeria

abi na Sao Tome and Principe fit our own Biafranboys?

Shokoloko:

Thanks for tagging me. May I have a link to the source? I'd like to research the reference quoted for this write-up

The maps titled "The Evolution of the Map of Africa" can be accessed at Princeton University website through the link below:

https://library.princeton.edu/visual_materials/maps/websites/africa/maps-continent/continent.html

Thereddevil:

I think the op needs to tell us the link to that map.. I can't see nigeria on it.. Could it mean Biafra existed before Nigeria?

You can't see Nigeria because in the 15th century when the continent of Africa was explored, Nigeria didn't exist. Biafra existed before Nigeria but the location was more of Cameroon than present-day Nigeria.

You can access the maps here:

https://library.princeton.edu/visual_materials/maps/websites/africa/maps-continent/continent.html

The bottomline is: While the Yorubas and their kin [Edo/Itshekiri etc] were trading, studying, marrying, carrying out expeditions across deserts and warring with the outside world (Northern Nigeria/Foreign empires), the Ibos were secluded in the jungles of the rain forests away from civilization until about 250yrs ago; this is why it’s taking them longer than usual to assimilate with the outside world and behave in a proper manner acceptable to those they encounter. There is nothing to be ashamed about this fact. It’s their history. What gets others angry is when they try to act like others are the “bush men”.

5Gnet:
oga no wine your self Wether mumu brain or not you no be nageria
Na fulani be Nigeria

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Brimstone77:
being intelligent by half is really dangerous...


Op can you show us the exact location of the African continent in the first map you shared??


And also indicate the location of yorubas and hausas in the map you shared..

Do you no how the name Biafra was adopted? Before ojukwu declare the state of Biafra was ndi igbo known as biafrans??


During the period that the said map you agreed was drawn were the Igbo been referred to as biafrans...??

While all the Biafrans have avoided this thread, if you can notice, you have shown by this courage, the man that you are.

But if I may ask, what historical or ancestral connections do you have with the lands of present-day Cameroons to have adopted their names?

Until recently were you not the ones telling us that Biafra was indigenous to Igbo, that Bia means come, Fara means take; that Biafra, therefore, is a compund Igbo name meaning Come and Take.

Point to where Yorubas and Hausas are. that's the request by the person you quoted and not stories!

Besides if Biafrans says they wanna leave Nigeria due to incompatibility, what's the issue here?

MalcoImX:

While all the Biafrans have avoided this thread, if you can notice, you have shown by this courage, the man that you are.

But if I may ask, what historical or ancestral connections do you have with the lands of present-day Cameroons to have adopted their names?

Until recently were you not the ones telling us that Biafra was indigenous to Igbo, that Bia means come, Fara means take; that Biafra, therefore, is a compund Igbo name meaning Come and Take.

MalcoImX:

While all the Biafrans have avoided this thread, if you can notice, you have shown by this courage, the man that you are.

But if I may ask, what historical or ancestral connections do you have with the lands of present-day Cameroons to have adopted their names?

Until recently were you not the ones telling us that Biafra was indigenous to Igbo, that Bia means come, Fara means take; that Biafra, therefore, is a compund Igbo name meaning Come and Take.

have you heard of the term "bight of Biafra" present day "bight of Bonny"?


Where is bight of Biafra located?

During the naming of Biafra as a republic where and how was the name adopted or derived??

fozapi:


But the fulanis are landlocked senselocked in the north

In what contexts are the Fulanis in the North landlocked?

MalcoImX:
In what contexts are the Fulanis in the North landlocked?

Mention one fulani state in the North? You are a minority

MalcoImX:
With lots of claims, ignorance and treasonable acts, there has not as yet any clearly defined territorial extent or boundary by the latter day 'Biafranists.'

The question remains, where on Earth have you seen people fighting for a country whose land border is as foggy, wavy and as distant the mirage?

Just as the boundary, the name 'Biafra' itself right from its Portuguese origins, through colonization to Ojukwu's, Uwazuruike's and the slippery Nnamdi Kanu's era has no known ancestralal basis and linkages in present-day Nigeria's Igboland.

Image I: The Portuguese named a country 'Biafra' after Mafra in Portugal. It extended from mid-Cameroon to Equatorial Guinea and Gabon. Nigeria's South South and South East was called "Benin" and was never part of 'Biafra.'

Image II: Mafra, Portugal

To the Portuguese, the present-day Igboland was a Benin territory, or a vassal state of the Kingdom. The real 'Biafra', being in Cameroon, Equatorial Guinea and Gabon indicated a massive Igbo migration in earlier centuries that limited the Benin Kingdom to the swampy and less agriculturally viable parts of the Kingdom.

Logically, therefore, the so-called 'Biafrans' should relocate back to their ancestral lands in Cameroon, Equatorial Guinea and Gabon, and any claims to 'Biafra' and its independence should also start from from those lost territories.

Image III; A 1644 W. J Blaeu's Map puts 'Biafra' clearly in Cameroon, Equatorial Guinea and Sai Tome and Principe.

Image IV: A 1710 Hermann Moll Map of 'Biafra' (Cameroon's original name), and Benin (present-day Igboland's name).

Since you came out with this trash, lets use the trash to destroy you. you say the portuguese claim Igboland belongs to the Benin kingdom. It therefore means that the Benin kingdom own Igboland. The Oba of Benin has not approved any part his kingdom to be named Biafra. Mamudi kanu wants to claim what does not belong to him. The Benis own Biafra land

MalcoImX:


The maps titled "The Evolution of the Map of Africa" can be accessed at Princeton University website through the link below:

https://library.princeton.edu/visual_materials/maps/websites/africa/maps-continent/continent.html

Awesome. However I was looking for a document that is not so blatantly described as presumed and projected
I want something factual

Misterone:
Since you came out with this trash, lets use the trash to destroy you. you say the portuguese claim Igboland belongs to the Benin kingdom. It therefore means that the Benin kingdom own Igboland. The Oba of Benin has not approved any part his kingdom to be named Biafra. Mamudi kanu wants to claim what does not belong to him. The Benis own Biafra land

I am not exactly getting you.

But there's no mention of the Oba of Benin approving any of his territory to be named Biafra.

What might have happened, if I may decipher, from history, might have been that when the Portuguese arrived what they referred to as Benin Kingdom (including present-day Igboland), the people they met in all Benin Kingdom referred to themselves as subjects of the Oba of Benin.

There is no basis of naming Igboland Benin if the indigenes they met there didn't refer to themselves as such.

As for Biafra, the lands bearing that name is to the east, in present-day Cameroon. It is for this that some historians are suggesting that the Igbo might have migrated from there. What's needed is to search for some more archaeological evidences that would corroborate such postulations and theories.

fozapi:


Mention one fulani state in the North? You are a minority

You may not know this, even Christians and non-Fulani is Adamawa and Taraba states can speak Fulfulde, and very fluently.

That's to tell you how influential the Fulani is.

Your problems are you think everybody should share your worldview - that since you think the Fulanis are 'demons', they should be to everybody.

MalcoImX:


You may not know this, even Christians and non-Fulani is Adamawa and Taraba states can speak Fulfulde, and very fluently.

That's to tell you how influential the Fulani is.

Your problems are you think everybody should share your worldview - that since you think the Fulanis are 'demons', they should be to everybody.

I asked you a simple question and you are running around like a headless chicken

JuanJO:

As it stands now. Are you sure Cameroon is not even better than the glorified Zoohole

Knock out

Brimstone77:
being intelligent by half is really dangerous...


Op can you show us the exact location of the African continent in the first map you shared??


And also indicate the location of yorubas and hausas in the map you shared..

Do you no how the name Biafra was adopted? Before ojukwu declare the state of Biafra was ndi igbo known as biafrans??


During the period that the said map you agreed was drawn were the Igbo been referred to as biafrans...??

Back to you.

You cannot see the location of Yoruba or Hausa because like Nigeria, such terms are of recent historical relevance and connotations. I'll show you their recency, even the term Igbo is just like the other big two.

Let's begin with the Yoruba:

The Meaning and Sociopolitics of 'Yoruba'

The late Dr. Bala Usman at a lecture that has something to do wiith June 12 and MKO Abiola held at the MUSON Centre, Lagos Island just before the turn of the century touched on the origin of the word "Yoruba" , tried to define it and also alluded to its recency.

In this piece, as was the case with that presentation, it is opined in the arguments against dismemberment of Nigeria, that even the large ethnic groups like Yoruba, Igbo and Hausa do not have any substantially coherent existence, but represent, largely, fluid identities, which operate at different levels and are always changing in their contents, in their meanings and in their boundaries.

The Definition of Yoruba

What, for example, is a Yoruba in Nigeria in this first year of the 21st century?

Is it someone who can prove his descent, genetically, from Oduduwa, with a genealogical tree and, or, the results of a DNA test? Or, is a Yoruba somebody who can prove his belonging, by birth to a lineage, or, a clan, which belongs to one of the polities, which have come to be called Yoruba?

What does this "belonging” here mean? Or, is a Yoruba someone who is recognized by one of the Obas wearing a beaded crown as a Yoruba? Or, is a Yoruba someone who speaks the Yoruba language as his first language and takes part in cultural and social practices, which are now called Yoruba? Or is a Yoruba someone who others who claim to be Yoruba accept that he is Yoruba? Or, is a Yoruba someone who, Senator Abraham Adesanya, the Leader of the Yoruba, recognize as Yoruba?

In the context of the racist politics which Afenifere is practicing and advocating for the rest of Nigeria, when it comes to a Sovereign National Conference, based on representation from ethnic groups, many of the prominent advocates of a confederation, or, the dismemberment of Nigeria, so that the Yoruba, for example, can control their own resources, like Bolaji Akinyemi, will find that their Yorubaness will be challenged. When the ancestry of the Leader of the Yoruba, before Adesanya, the late Chief Adekunle Ajasin, was challenged by Chief Ojomo in Owo, there was, in response to that challenge, a resounding silence!

The fact is that, the earliest record we have of the use of the very name “Yoruba” was in the Hausa language and it seems to have applied to the people of the Alfinate of Oyo. This came from the writings of the seventeenth century Katsina scholar, Dan Masani (1595-1667), who wrote a book on Muslim scholars of the “Yarriba”. But it was from a book of the Sarkin Musulmi Bello, written in the early nineteenth century, that the name became more widely used.

The Bishop Ajayi Crowther, the Reverend Samuel Johnson, and his brother Obadiah Johnson, among others, came, in the nineteenth century, to widely spread this Hausa name to the people who now bear it, in their writings. Other names, like “Lukunmi” “Aku”, “Nago” and “Anago” are applied to the same people, but the name “Yoruba” has come to prevail, ...

These people, who the dissemination of the written form of Standard of Yoruba, derived from the Oyo dialect, has given a level of common identity, actually speak about twenty dialects. Some of these dialects were barely mutually intelligible. The twenty dialects are, according to some linguists: Bunu, Ife, Ijesha, Ondo, Owo, Igbena, Gbedde, Akono, Ilaje, Awori, Ila, Ijebu, Oyo, Yagba, Egba, Ekiti, Aworo, Ijumu, Kalae, and Owe.

No Igbo person has been able to tell me the meaning of the word Biafra though.


Whether Biafra was in Cameroon before or is now in southeast Nigeria, it doesn't change the fact that a people have a right to self determination.

Forcefully keeping a group in a union they don't wanna be in is a crime in and of itself.

fozapi:


I asked you a simple question and you are running around like a headless chicken

What exactly is the relevance or what are you driving at with this question? Of what relevance is the population of Fulani, who are so much mixed with the Hausa, got to do with this topic?

I don't know the states where Fulani are in the majority.

If they are at all, it would be in Adamawa or Gombe.

TripleOh7:
No Igbo person has been able to tell me the meaning of the word Biafra though.


Whether Biafra was in Cameroon before or is now in southeast Nigeria, it doesn't change the fact that a people have a right to self determination.

Forcefully keeping a group in a union they don't wanna be in is a crime in and of itself.

https://www.ajol.info/index.php/ad/article/view/57356/45736

Not sure, but that answer might lie with the Ijaws of Nigeria

MalcoImX:


Back to you.

You cannot see the location of Yoruba or Hausa because like Nigeria, such terms are of recent historical relevance and connotations. I'll show you their recency, even the term Igbo is just like the other big two.

Let's begin with the Yoruba:

The Meaning and Sociopolitics of 'Yoruba'

The late Dr. Bala Usman at a lecture that has something to do wiith June 12 and MKO Abiola held at the MUSON Centre, Lagos Island just before the turn of the century touched on the origin of the word "Yoruba" , tried to define it and also alluded to its recency.

In this piece, as was the case with that presentation, it is opined in the arguments against dismemberment of Nigeria, that even the large ethnic groups like Yoruba, Igbo and Hausa do not have any substantially coherent existence, but represent, largely, fluid identities, which operate at different levels and are always changing in their contents, in their meanings and in their boundaries.

sorry but I couldn't read the long epistle..


If the ancient bini kingdom is in that map probably the Oyo kingdom must be there as well.. because these are old kingdoms that exit even before the arrival of the Europeans..


So indicate Oyo kingdom or sokoto caliphate in that map you shared..

Shokoloko:


Awesome. However I was looking for a document that is not so blatantly described as presumed and projected
I want something factual

I think the origin of the name Biafra is settled.

Any other thing that is presumed could go either ways.

On what specifically, then, do you want something factual.

MalcoImX:


What exactly is the relevance or what are you driving at with this question? Of what relevance is the population of Fulani, who are so much mixed with the Hausa, got to do with this topic?

I don't know the states where Fulani are in the majority.

If they are at all, it would be in Adamawa or Gombe.

Thanks for the link, I did a bit of digging and I am unable to find any factual map.

See below, the maps are described as presumed and projected upon a virtually unexplored canvas. If you have a link for a factual map i'd be happy to have that

I acknowledge that you did make some effort, but I would not be happy if one of my students brought me a map that was not made from actual exploration. I would not accept presumed cartography

MalcoImX:


I think the origin of the name Biafra is settled.

Any other thing that is presumed could go either ways.

On what specifically, then, do you want something factual.

The origin of the name is settled, however that does not indicate the origin of the Igbos of Nigeria. Just as we have Lagos in Portugal and Lagos in Nigeria. While Lagos in Nigeria has a lot of Portuguese influence we both know that the people of Lagos state did not originate, have no relation with the people of Lagos in Portugal, even though that was the origin of the name

So how do you marry the origin of the name Biafra to the origin of the Igbos? We cannot assume that two cities (eg Memphis in Tennessee, and Memphis in Egypt) means that there was a massive migration

MalcoImX:


I think the origin of the name Biafra is settled.

Any other thing that is presumed could go either ways.

On what specifically, then, do you want something factual.

We can safely say that maps drawn between the 14th and 16th century were majorly inaccurate. I will still try to research about this Biafara Kingdom in the Cameroons though

Asidy:
This shows that the true Biafrans are there in Cameroon, Guinea and some part of Gabon. What we have here are chest beaters and land grabbers.

Also this report confirm that Igbo are land grabbers who migrated to Nigeria and start claiming what is not theirs.

However, If you a true Biafran you can relocate to your ancestral land and start the real struggle.

If care isn't taking one day they will claim Lagos and Sabon Gari Kano.

There was nothing like Nigeria 200 years ago.Ndi Igbo have been in their current location for thousands of years.

Brimstone77:
sorry but I couldn't read the long epistle..


If the ancient bini kingdom is in that map probably the Oyo kingdom must be there as well.. because these are old kingdoms that exit even before the arrival of the Europeans..


So indicate Oyo kingdom or sokoto caliphate in that map you shared..

Early maps were drawn mostly by explorers, tales from travellers and many idiosyncrasies were included. You finds images and myths regarding deities, animals, dragons, religious symbols, beasts etc. So don't expect accuracy of modern mapping technologies that can pin objects with precision as long as your longitudinal and latitudinal coordinates are known.

As a corollary to this, those who've had the earliest contact with European explorers would have their regions well represented, even if there are larger kingdoms on or offshore.

In present-day Nigeria, the Benin Kingdom has the earliest contact with the Portuguese and therefore had more earlier records than the Oyo Empire, even though the Oyo Empire predates it by about 1000 years. As for the Sokoto caliphate, it was a baby in comparison, having just been around for just over 200 years.

The Benin Kingdom was having contacts with European explorers and merchants way back around 1485, this was, mind you, before Columbus' journey to America - that's even before any European knows there's anything like America.

So don't be surprised, if maps of 1400s had more of Benin Kingdom than any other kingdoms in Nigeria.

MalcoImX:


What exactly is the relevance or what are you driving at with this question? Of what relevance is the population of Fulani, who are so much mixed with the Hausa, got to do with this topic?

I don't know the states where Fulani are in the majority.

If they are at all, it would be in Adamawa or Gombe.

It simply means fulanis own no land in the north