eduj:


It's Igbo not iboe ,unless you want your tribe to be called uroba instead of Yoruba ?

Women weren't treated like chattels in ancient Igbo custom . Yes women couldn't inherit there father's property because once married,they became a member of there husband's family. In ancient Igbo times
, each married woman had a hut and a piece of land which was her's till death. We also had the council of umuadas (first daughters). They also had important roles to play in community decision making. In those days, a man who throws away the pot of his wife or her cooking tools had commited an abomination of such a propotion that he will make appeasement to the gods of the land.

Osus are people dedicated to the gods .They took care of deities and it's shrines, they ate offerings, sacrifices,money ,livestock's and even farmed large parcels of lands that came with the shrines. They where they only people who could do such. They also couldn't be killed by anyone no matter the offence they commit (actually that's how many people became osu's). A man who commits murder and is being sought-after for revenge can rush into a shrine, dedicate himself to the deity and he gains absolution from his crime.The OSU can take anything he wants from anyone in the name of the gods.
The osu only became unpopular with the advent of Christianity.

Even at that,the biggest tribes of the Igbo ethnic group (the Ngwa) had nothing like OSU,many Igbo tribes had no practice like it .

So yes,infact the igbo's where egalitarian to the extent mortal societies can be.

And money played no role in ancient Igbo society. The wealth of an Igbo man was measured through the content of his yam barns, the hits of his wife's and the number of his children.

interesting

Captain8:
shut up..there was such as Ijaw.... Ijaw is what europeans use to called Izo'n....

we were the real business men with the europeans

You must be weeping and gnashing your teeth now after that Bonny / Opobo thread.

Shiver99:


You'll have to think about climate as well.

Earthern structures created in the desert will stand for a longer time than buildings made of more durable plastered clay (like Igbos used) in the middle of a humid rainforest.

I agree with you half way, in the sense that structures put up in or close to the desert (like the pyramids are) take less of a beating from the elements than those in the tropical rainforest belt.

However, i beg to differ with your stance that the plastered-clay used for the Nsude pyramids were more durable than the materials used to build the pyramids of Egypt. Ancient drawings of the construction of the Egyptian pyramids exist, and they show mammoths (now extinct) pulling up huge building blocks that the Egyptian builders (and their slaves) used in constructing the pyramids.

Shiver99:
Igbos loved smoked fish. The type sourced and cooked from local rivers and the coasts was of higher demand to the populace than the dried fish that Europeans exported.

An Igbo oven below, used for baking or smoking fish.

The soups back then would have been finger-licking delicious!

eduj:


It's Igbo not iboe ,unless you want your tribe to be called uroba instead of Yoruba ?

Women weren't treated like chattels in ancient Igbo custom . Yes women couldn't inherit there father's property because once married,they became a member of there husband's family. In ancient Igbo times
, each married woman had a hut and a piece of land which was her's till death. We also had the council of umuadas (first daughters). They also had important roles to play in community decision making. In those days, a man who throws away the pot of his wife or her cooking tools had commited an abomination of such a propotion that he will make appeasement to the gods of the land.

Osus are people dedicated to the gods .They took care of deities and it's shrines, they ate offerings, sacrifices,money ,livestock's and even farmed large parcels of lands that came with the shrines. They where the only people who could do such. They also couldn't be killed by anyone no matter the offence they commit (actually that's how many people became osu's). A man who commits murder and is being sought-after for revenge can rush into a shrine, dedicate himself to the deity and he gains absolution from his crime.The OSU can take anything he wants from anyone in the name of the gods.
The osu only became unpopular with the advent of Christianity.

Even at that,the biggest tribes of the Igbo ethnic group (the Ngwa) had nothing like OSU,many Igbo tribes had no practice like it .

So yes,infact the igbo's where egalitarian to the extent mortal societies can be.

And money played no role in ancient Igbo society. The wealth of an Igbo man was measured through the content of his yam barns, the hits of his wife's and the number of his children.

Osuism is incompatible with your false claims of egalitarianism

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eduj:


I don't know why this Yoruba man has sworn to die ontop Igbo issues, but we will humor you.

Arochukwu has and will always be Igbo. The Aros conquered the aborigines (ibom dynasty you talk about) and took over the long juju shrine. Yes, the assimilated the ruling house by marrying there daughters ,but the Igbo is partenal in lineage. The Aro confederacy which actually consists of ohafia, Arochukwu and bende, held sway over most of the lower niger delta , ran slave trades as well as founded cities.
Are the ohafians and bende people not Igbo ?
There only opponents in those days where the NGWA (one of the biggest tribes of the Igbo ethnic group). Infact, one of the reasons the whites gave for invading and destroying Aro was the destruction of the largest Ngwa town then by the Aro raiders (Abam worriors).

The destruction of Arochukwu resulted in its citizens fleeing and founding towns among other Igbo tribes like Aro-ngwa and Arondizogu.

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eduj:


It's Igbo not iboe ,unless you want your tribe to be called uroba instead of Yoruba ?

Women weren't treated like chattels in ancient Igbo custom . Yes women couldn't inherit there father's property because once married,they became a member of there husband's family. In ancient Igbo times
, each married woman had a hut and a piece of land which was her's till death. We also had the council of umuadas (first daughters). They also had important roles to play in community decision making. In those days, a man who throws away the pot of his wife or her cooking tools had commited an abomination of such a propotion that he will make appeasement to the gods of the land.

Osus are people dedicated to the gods .They took care of deities and it's shrines, they ate offerings, sacrifices,money ,livestock's and even farmed large parcels of lands that came with the shrines. They where the only people who could do such. They also couldn't be killed by anyone no matter the offence they commit (actually that's how many people became osu's). A man who commits murder and is being sought-after for revenge can rush into a shrine, dedicate himself to the deity and he gains absolution from his crime.The OSU can take anything he wants from anyone in the name of the gods.
The osu only became unpopular with the advent of Christianity.

Even at that,the biggest tribes of the Igbo ethnic group (the Ngwa) had nothing like OSU,many Igbo tribes had no practice like it .

So yes,infact the igbo's where egalitarian to the extent mortal societies can be.

And money played no role in ancient Igbo society. The wealth of an Igbo man was measured through the content of his yam barns, the hits of his wife's and the number of his children.

They were treated like chattels and everything you have written confirms that ? Even Chimamanda Adichie lamented publicly about how she and her mother were treated at her father's funeral

How can you say because a woman gets married she has no right to her father's property ? What kind of caveman mentality is that?
Anyway thank Nigeria for bringing civilization to your door.

The Supreme Court of Nigeria has struck down that barbaric practice

I am not interested in your explanation about Osuism. All I know is that people who practice that should not claim to be egalitarian
That is dishonest


Wealth Measured through Yam barns? You are deluded with this Things Fall Apart narrative
Did they grow yams across the entire Eboeland?
Clearly you have no idea what life was like during the slave trade when that was the number one industry for centuries

Shiver99:


Is this what you are talking about?

Yes!
Thanks.
Very beautiful.

Shiver99:


Is this what you are talking about?

You have any idea what Colonial book that picture is from and part of Igboland it was taken?

Shiver99:
Out of confusion, you ask them why they think that they were more advanced than the Igbos.

Only to find out it was because they had one mortal man feeding fat off the labor of an entire populace; so. To them, this is the hallmark of civilisation.

From an Igbo perspective, this is very odd. But you just have to get used to it. These folks are very proud of having absolute monarchies, even though it meant their living standards were far below many Igbos.

That's the funny thing.
Civilization= Being ruled by one fat retarded old man, who marries lots of wives, doesn't farm, but feed off the farm works of others in form of tribute.

These people are mad. I would be angry with my ancestors if they accepted such a stupid arrangement.

But I guess everyone is entitled to their own cup of tea. It gets funny when decendants of people whose ancestors were worshipping and feeding retarded and senile old men they called kings, try to pass off this stupidity as Hallmark of civilization.
It's shocking. Even in 21st century some of them are still worshipping these fat senile old men whose past time hobbies includes to accumulation of wives.

aribisala0:
Osuism is incompatible with your false claims of egalitarianism

His treatise is very clear and simple.

Liberate yourself from pre-conceived notions.

It is a grievous case of reverse anachronism to view an ancient practice through the lenses of the 21st century.

The Osu caste system is an egregious relic of an ancient custom...

It was not as bad then as it is now to current sensibilities...

maestroferddi:
His treatise is very clear and simple.

Liberate yourself from pre-conceived notions.

It is a grievous case of reverse anachronism to view an ancient practice through the lenses of the 21st century.

The Osu caste system is an egregious relic of an ancient custom...

It was not as bad then as it is now to current sensibilities...

Explanations are not necessary and

please spare us the bombastic language it makes you look ridiculous
What is "treatise" ? Are you alright?
The topic of this thread is clear to all
The point is that the claim of egalitarianism in Eboe society is false and insisting on it is self deception

aribisala0:
Arochukwu was not an Ibo group it was an enclave of the Akamkpa overlords ruling over enslaved Ibos

They used the platform of Arochukwu to hunt and sell Ibos as slaves
Till this day the rulers of Arochukwu are the Akamkpa/ibom dynasty

Where do you get these lies from. Arochukwu were never Akamkpa, Aro are proud Igbos. Come and say this in the town or village and let them stone you to death for libel or even put a curse on your generation.

ThickSharon123:


Where do you get these lies from. Arochukwu were never Akamkpa, Aro are proud Igbos. Come and say this in the village and let them stone you to death.

Truth is bitter

aribisala0:
Truth is bitter

Truth inst bitter in any way. What you bring are lies. My mom is Arochukwu, and she's never told me she's from Akamkpa, although they keep close relations with them. Stop lying and trying to massage your ego by feasting on Igbos and their prowess since history and present day Nigeria.

Igboid:


That's the funny thing.
Civilization= Being ruled by one fat retarded old man, who marries lots of wives, doesn't farm, but feed off the farm works of others in form of tribute.

These people are mad. I would be angry with my ancestors if they accepted such a stupid arrangement.

But I guess everyone is entitled to their own cup of tea. It gets funny when decendants of people whose ancestors were worshipping and feeding retarded and senile old men they called kings, try to pass off this stupidity as Hallmark of civilization.
It's shocking. Even in 21st century some of them are still worshipping these fat senile old men whose past time hobbies includes to accumulation of wives.

It's becuase of the British craze. They believe England was so powerful and civilized, so they can sit toe to toe with them. Little do they know, that manyore civilized European countries look down on England as savages. ...for example, France.

In addition, Briton conquered them and they were held as god's in that period, so may Brtiish style of rule and act was considered as being civilized. We still have it in our system today, bleaching cream them gang

ThickSharon123:


Truth inst bitter in any way. What you bring are lies. My mom is Arochukwu, and she's never told me she's from Akamkpa, although they keep close relations with them. Stop lying and trying to massage your ego by feasting on Igbos and their prowess since history and present day Nigeria.

Akamkpa kings rule Arochukwu till today that is the reality

aribisala0:
Akamkpa kings rule Arochukwu till today that is the reality

Tahhhhhhh!!!! ... Keep your lies to yourself, you're so funny. You'll be suitable for my little cousin, she loves clowns? Are you up for hire, dear? You can entertain children in parties?

ThickSharon123:

Tahhhhhhh!!!! ... Keep your lies to yourself, you're so funny. You'll be suitable for my little cousin, she loves clowns? Are you up for hire, dear? You can entertain children in parties?

Dry

aribisala0:

They were treated like chattels and everything you have written confirms that ? Even Chimamanda Adichie lamented publicly about how she and her mother were treated at her father's funeral

How can you say because a woman gets married she has no right to her father's property ? What kind of caveman mentality is that?
Anyway thank Nigeria for bringing civilization to your door.

The Supreme Court of Nigeria has struck down that barbaric practice

I am not interested in your explanation about Osuism. All I know is that people who practice that should not claim to be egalitarian
That is dishonest


Wealth Measured through Yam barns? You are deluded with this Things Fall Apart narrative
Did they grow yams across the entire Eboeland?
Clearly you have no idea what life was like during the slave trade when that was the number one industry for centuries

I didn't offer up that explanation for you .i wrote it for the ignorants that will see your post and take it for the truth.

It's mischievous of you to point out chimamandas statement to counter my argument ,but disapprove of the narrative in one of Africa's greatest novel by one of its greatest authors "Things fall apart".

Yes ,a man called Ezeji (king of the yam ) simply means that he is very wealthy in ancient days . One of the most revered Igbo deity is the ihenjoku (the god of wealth/yam) .And the fact that every igbo tribe conduct elaborate new yam festivities yearly elaborate my point.And yes the yam was planted all through the igboland.

You said it's barberic for a woman not to inherit her fathers property, that's rich coming from a Muslim yeriba-spare us your hypocritic lamentations . Go and study the genesis of that court case and it's judgement in totality before we continue that discussion.That judgement was aimed as much toward your ethnic group that jumped down from paradise for whatever reason as much as it was aimed towards the Igbo.

And even at that, societies are meant to evolve and change -that the mark of egalitarians .

An why won't you disregard the truth about the OSU ? In face of superior argument you grow dumb .In the presence of truth you become blind.
Why is that ? Because your arguments are meant to degrade, insult and misrepresent. Your arguments are based on heresay and mendacious to its root.
You don't see us igbo's trying to dispute your tribes tall tale of being among the fallen angels -cast down to Earth.
Stay around longer in this thread and risk your blindness being cured

aribisala0:
Osuism is incompatible with your false claims of egalitarianism

I have already responded to this claim of yours, offer me an intelligent response -not this.

In my previous response ,I didn't address your jab towards the Igbo based on slavery.

You guys are quick to point out the overwhelming influence of the Yoruba on Brazil's afro culture. A quick question ,how did it get to Brazil ?

Ajayi crowder, the foremost yeriba christian, the limelight to yeriba salvation , what was he again ?

The seat of the EDO empire, the formost city of eko,it's ports what was it used for in ancient times ?

Those Americans, whose DNA testing placed there ancestry to the yeriba ethnic group , how did they get there ?

The chief commodity the old Oyo empire and it's brothers sold at one time for horses and guns was what ?

Remove that iroko from your eye oga

eduj:

I have already responded to this claim of yours, offer me an intelligent response -not this.

In my previous response ,I didn't address your jab towards the Igbo based on slavery.

You guys are quick to point out the overwhelming influence of the Yoruba on Brazil's afro culture. A quick question ,how did it get to Brazil ?

Ajayi crowder, the foremost yeriba christian, the limelight to yeriba salvation , what was he again ?

The seat of the EDO empire, the formost city of eko,it's ports what was it used for in ancient times ?

Those Americans, whose DNA testing placed there ancestry to the yeriba ethnic group , how did they get there ?

The chief commodity the old Oyo empire and it's brothers sold at one time for horses and guns was what ?

Remove that iroko from your eye oga

Those who come out to claim they are EGALITARIAN have no response to the incongruity of that claim alongside evidence of OSUISM and misogyny

aribisala0:


Those who come out to claim they are EGALITARIAN have no response to the incongruity of that claim alongside evidence of OSUISM and misogyny

You yourself stated that you Will not accept my explanation about OSUISM, but will keep on your mendacious campaign .
I just saw you again on the Louis ojukwu abandoned property thread .
What does being an Igbo troll pay one this days ?

In 1884, an Igbo lady (the omu of onitsha) was signatory to the agreement between the queen of England and onitsha.

The omu was a female leader of onitsha ,she had her councillors parallel to that of the obi of onitsha. She held the offer (Igbo symbol of authority ) .
Misogyny my dear yeriba lier is something you can't accuse the Igbo of.
You based your arguments on the fact that an Igbo woman won't inherit her fathers property in most of ancient Igbo, but glose over the fact that an Igbo woman married gets her inheritance in her husband place (her hut and her farm) . By adoption of her husbands name, she becomes a member of her husbands family.

OSUISM you keep herping about was voluntary and not forced . And unlike your misrepresentation ,it wasn't a practice all through Igbo land

eduj:


You yourself stated that you Will not accept my explanation about OSUISM, but will keep on your mendacious campaign .
I just saw you again on the Louis ojukwu abandoned property thread .
What does being an Igbo troll pay one this days ?

Who is the troll ? the one wading through my rubbish to see if there is anything they can jerk off to

check this out
https://www.nairaland.com/4147830/biafra-twenty-pound-lie-busted

ThickSharon123:


Truth inst bitter in any way. What you bring are lies. My mom is Arochukwu, and she's never told me she's from Akamkpa, although they keep close relations with them. Stop lying and trying to massage your ego by feasting on Igbos and their prowess since history and present day Nigeria.

And ya father is who?
Wetin we know go hear from this people

KingOKON:


And ya father is who?
Wetin we know go hear from this people

I'm Ghanaian, my mom is proud Igbo, which makes me proud Igbo. I hope you will rest now.

eduj:

I have already responded to this claim of yours, offer me an intelligent response -not this.

In my previous response ,I didn't address your jab towards the Igbo based on slavery.

You guys are quick to point out the overwhelming influence of the Yoruba on Brazil's afro culture. A quick question ,how did it get to Brazil ?

Ajayi crowder, the foremost yeriba christian, the limelight to yeriba salvation , what was he again ?

The seat of the EDO empire, the formost city of eko,it's ports what was it used for in ancient times ?

Those Americans, whose DNA testing placed there ancestry to the yeriba ethnic group , how did they get there ?

The chief commodity the old Oyo empire and it's brothers sold at one time for horses and guns was what ?

Remove that iroko from your eye oga

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Dan Foster traced his lineage down to Igbo
Wesley Snipes traced his origin to Igbo
We have seen threads of American of African origin tracing their roots to Igbo land
Jamaica Haiti Bahamas where Rihana that was claimed of Igbo ancestry because of his grand mom Guyana are heavy abode of Igbo descendants
We all know this no need trying to deny the past
What has happened has happened

aribisala0:
Who is the troll ? the one wading through my rubbish to see if there is anything they can jerk off to

check this out
https://www.nairaland.com/4147830/biafra-twenty-pound-lie-busted

You never see me in a yeriba thread, unlike your never ending presence in Igbo threads.
Who between us is the troll ?

With the amount of jerking off you do to Igbo threads, I assume you by now to be a 12 seconds man.
Are you inviting me to the thread of your next defeat ?

ThickSharon123:


I'm Ghanaian, my mom is proud Igbo, which makes me proud Igbo. I hope you will rest now.

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My dear you are a Ghanian your they don't even know you exist

KingOKON:
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Dan Foster traced his lineage down to Igbo
Wesley Snipes traced his origin to Igbo
We have seen threads of American of African origin tracing their roots to Igbo land
Jamaica Haiti Bahamas where Rihana that was claimed of Igbo ancestry because of his grand mom Guyana are heavy abode of Igbo descendants
We all know this no need trying to deny the past
What has happened has happened

Your brother was trying to ascribe slavery to igbo's alone,I reminded him that his tribe is guilty of same

KingOKON:
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My dear you are a Ghanian your they don't even know you exist

That's your cup of tea. They know we exist and they are also in my country. And I'm doing what my mom would be proud to see me do. Cherish the Igbo culture, in which indeed is the best.

From my toddling years, when I do go to her village, the love and hardwork of the Igbos cannot be compared by any other tribe in Nigeria. Ghanaian's love them more.

eduj:


You never see me in a yeriba thread, unlike your never ending presence in Igbo threads.
Who between us is the troll ?

With the amount of jerking off you do to Igbo threads, I assume you by now to be a 12 seconds man.
Are you inviting me to the thread of your next defeat ?

Who are you and why should I care about what you do?
You are an irrelevance

The claim that Eboes are ealitarian is rubbish
The evidence is to the contrary
OSUISM
MISOGYNY

are core Eboe values