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Re: ⚫⚫ Trinity... Bible Proves That Jesus Is God by Bishopkingsley(m): 6:38am On Jul 12, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: MaxInDHouse I really like that you are actually understanding that the holy spirit is a person well we are gently getting there If only you will fully understand the holy spirit is God then you can talk with him and he will show you more of how to worship him Now there is no special group or church that God is limited to you should understand this and get it to your mindset God works in men individually that why the holy spirit gave a command separate Paul and Barnabas for the work I have called them to do God gave his holy spirit as a drink offering to believers God said in Old testament in the last days I will pure our my spirit upon all flesh thus this is the last days God holy spirit works now the evidence of speaking in tongues are the out ward evidence of God's people |
Re: ⚫⚫ Trinity... Bible Proves That Jesus Is God by Nobody: 6:45am On Jul 12, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: Talking about setting times and prophecy of world events, can you remember how many time it failed to materialised after being publicly preached? By your idea of Holy spirit and updating watchtower with new revelations, do you think the Holy spirit will make multiple mistakes in foreseeing the future while revealing to publishers of WatchTower? Please attend to my issues straight to the point. Don't bring stories. |
Re: ⚫⚫ Trinity... Bible Proves That Jesus Is God by Nobody: 6:57am On Jul 12, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: Their case is different! Theirs was the issue of WATER BAPTISM FOR REPENTANCE. While the one preached to them was BAPTISM IN THE NAME OF CHRIST for the gift of the Holy spirit. Either way, both baptism was still preached and practised and still in practice today. But your own version of "updating" is completely different. WatchTower published that Jesus will come back to earth physically on a certain date, when it failed they updated the prophecy again and again and again till today. So yours doesn't align with that of the scriptures you quoted. Perhaps you should also bring up any portion of the scriptures where Holy spirit completely alter the first teachings he empowered the apostles to preach. Let's see if the Bible support your claim of "updating" or in your case, "altering". Your tactics has always been quoting scriptures out of context and bringing up issues to cover up what's on the table. But I will try to make sure you don't do that here. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: ⚫⚫ Trinity... Bible Proves That Jesus Is God by Nobody: 7:07am On Jul 12, 2021 |
I don't know why am even doing this now. I should allow you to finish studying the MILLIONS NOW LIVING WILL NEVER DIE first before we commence our discussion. |
Re: ⚫⚫ Trinity... Bible Proves That Jesus Is God by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:20am On Jul 12, 2021 |
Who told you God's active force is a person? Bishopkingsley: |
Re: ⚫⚫ Trinity... Bible Proves That Jesus Is God by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:24am On Jul 12, 2021 |
Imperfect humans makes mistakes because the spirit is only guiding them without saying a single word. So they're prone to make wrong conclusions. Even after about three and a half years that Jesus himself personally taught his first century followers they still didn't understand how the times and seasons will unfold! Act 1:6-7 PARACLETOS: |
Re: ⚫⚫ Trinity... Bible Proves That Jesus Is God by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:29am On Jul 12, 2021 |
You're wrong Sir because John the baptist himself was confused about Jesus been the Christ despite the voice of God he heard directly during Jesus' baptism! Matthew 11:3 So his followers needed to update their understanding. Moreover John's baptism is about repentance of the Jewish nation towards the Mosaic laws while the baptism carried out by Jesus' disciples is to enter into the new covenant! PARACLETOS: |
Re: ⚫⚫ Trinity... Bible Proves That Jesus Is God by Nobody: 9:04am On Jul 12, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: What are you saying... John preached water baptism, Jesus preached it, apostles also preached it. Same WATER BAPTISM. Again I ask, show me where in the scriptures the Holy spirit alter his original teachings to the apostles as watchtower claims. 2 Likes |
Re: ⚫⚫ Trinity... Bible Proves That Jesus Is God by Nobody: 9:06am On Jul 12, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: Trying to deviate from the issue at hand. I will not mind you. |
Re: ⚫⚫ Trinity... Bible Proves That Jesus Is God by Nobody: 9:20am On Jul 12, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: When you give me the excuse of the claim that the publication of WatchTower was and is done by "imperfect humans", one tends to believe that 1. You are not being led by the Holy spirit. 2. Subsequent publications of the WatchTower are not trustworthy, because they might be "altered" or "denied" or "upgraded" tomorrow, as is the case over the years by you. 3. Half truth is no truth at all The Holy spirit has led apostles before who were also "imperfect humans" but were their teachings being "altered" for your claim to be correct? Please give me example of the total alterations to their teachings. 2 Likes |
Re: ⚫⚫ Trinity... Bible Proves That Jesus Is God by Nobody: 9:27am On Jul 12, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: This Act 1:7 has done more harm to your belief system than you could ever imagined. Acts 1:7 New International Version 7 He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority. But the WatchTower has consistently over the years been PREDICTING WORLD EVENTS (predicted DATES, TIMES AND YEARS) against the statement of Jesus in this portion. Thereby MAKING JESUS A LIAR!! How ridiculous!!! 2 Likes |
Re: ⚫⚫ Trinity... Bible Proves That Jesus Is God by Nobody: 9:41am On Jul 12, 2021 |
Talking about setting times and prophecy of world events, can you remember how many time it failed to materialised after being publicly preached? You have carefully ignored this question. Please answer it for me. Thanks. 2 Likes |
Re: ⚫⚫ Trinity... Bible Proves That Jesus Is God by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:08am On Jul 12, 2021 |
Guy you're giving yourself needless headache! What is the meaning of OLD Covenant and NEW Covenant if you're condemning updating? Yes both of them baptized in water but John told his listeners that there's going to be an update when Jesus begin his ministry! Matthew 3:11 Please why must there be a difference aren't they both operating under the same holy spirit? PARACLETOS: |
Re: ⚫⚫ Trinity... Bible Proves That Jesus Is God by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:09am On Jul 12, 2021 |
The post wasn't meant for you! PARACLETOS: |
Re: ⚫⚫ Trinity... Bible Proves That Jesus Is God by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:17am On Jul 12, 2021 |
You're too hasty in your sense of reasoning so calm down because there's nothing new in God's arrangement other than updating of information! You can argue over who and who is directed by God's holy spirit but you're not the judge of that Jesus said "By their FRUITS" Matthew 7:16-18 So is there any religous gathering today without flaws? The answer is NO! Is there any religous gathering today without sinful members? Again the answer is NO! But what about the gathering of imperfect humans having LOVE JOY PEACE PATIENCE GOODNESS GENTLENESS FAITH MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL permeating their gathering? The answer is YES! Jehovah's Witnesses Organization have all these qualities as a BODY not individually, and that's because each person that makes up the group are imperfect human but as one Body the whole world can testify that these qualities are obvious in the gathering of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES. So you can't make any law against them! Galatians 5:22-23 PARACLETOS: |
Re: ⚫⚫ Trinity... Bible Proves That Jesus Is God by Nobody: 10:20am On Jul 12, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: Don't mix things up! This is how the Holy Spirit does his things.... Before the change of the Old testament law to New testament, he made his prophet prophecy about the change. Jeremiah. 31:31-35. Heb. 8:1- Now if that is the case in the numerous changes and updating and altering of your WatchTower teachings, show me where? And who has ever prophesied that such changes would come? 2 Likes |
Re: ⚫⚫ Trinity... Bible Proves That Jesus Is God by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:20am On Jul 12, 2021 |
PARACLETOS: Please i'll like to see the publication of JWs in which a DATE is specifically mentioned? |
Re: ⚫⚫ Trinity... Bible Proves That Jesus Is God by Nobody: 10:23am On Jul 12, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: Again I want to bring you back to my point. Don't deviate please. Respond to the issues raised and forget about comparison. |
Re: ⚫⚫ Trinity... Bible Proves That Jesus Is God by Nobody: 10:24am On Jul 12, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: When did you join WatchTower group? |
Re: ⚫⚫ Trinity... Bible Proves That Jesus Is God by Nobody: 10:31am On Jul 12, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: Is obvious you have a limited idea about what you are defending. Hundreds of WatchTower and Awake publications specifically fixes DATES AND YEARS FOR WORLD EVENTS. Please I will not continue again until you finish studying MILLIONS NOW LIVING WILL NEVER DIE 2 Likes |
Re: ⚫⚫ Trinity... Bible Proves That Jesus Is God by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:32am On Jul 12, 2021 |
Jesus himself foretold that a time will come when his true followers will be confused due to things that's beyond their grasp but they should stick together so that God's Holy Spirit will continue to guide them! “Also, there will be signs in the sun and moon and stars, and on the earth anguish of nations not knowing the way out because of the roaring of the sea and its agitation. 26 People will become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27 And then they will see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 But as these things start to occur, stand up straight and lift up your heads, because your deliverance is getting near.” The red coloured means there will be confusion in discerning some signs regarding the end time! So what the Organization of JWs experienced has been prophesied by Jesus himself. However it's by their fine works that they will be justified! They're the only group that has succeeded in removing weapons and wars from the minds of their members! Matthew 26:52 They're the only group that's no part of Politics nor racism! John 15:19 They're the only group whose members are in active preaching and teaching program in all countries of the world! Act 1:8 They're the only group that's known for strong bond of union LOVE in their midst! John 13:34-35 They're the only group that's hated due to their beliefs as if all you other religions agree in beliefs! Matthew 10:22-25 So there's every reason that they are the one and only Christian Organization. No wonder God singled them out by giving them a new group name "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" to distinguish between them and you others that's claiming CHRISTIANS with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines! Isaiah 65:15 PARACLETOS: |
Re: ⚫⚫ Trinity... Bible Proves That Jesus Is God by Bishopkingsley(m): 10:51am On Jul 12, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: You say.... CHRISTIANS with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines! Isaiah 65:15.... There is no contradictions and conflicting teachings in real Christianity all of us believe God came to earth in the form of Jesus took up flesh this is the foundation of Christianity Only few cult believe otherwise |
Re: ⚫⚫ Trinity... Bible Proves That Jesus Is God by Bishopkingsley(m): 10:59am On Jul 12, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: You once said that... This gifting on .. imperfect humans having LOVE JOY PEACE PATIENCE GOODNESS GENTLENESS FAITH MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL permeating their gathering? That this gift only happens when you gather that once you leave the gathering every one can revert to their sinful nature That not what the bible teaches Now don't use examples of the fault of the apostle to justify your sinful nature |
Re: ⚫⚫ Trinity... Bible Proves That Jesus Is God by Nobody: 11:05am On Jul 12, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: Let me bring this one here... There are hundreds of such foolish predictions abound by the WatchTower. Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will remark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews chapter eleven, to the condition of human perfection" (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, 1920, page 90) This God's "ONLY TRUE ORGANIZATION" made this blasphemous prediction and so many other ones I will bring up later on. I will CREATE A THREAD FOR THE NUMEROUS FALSE AND BLASPHEMOUS PREDICTIONS OF THE FALSE WITNESSES OF JEHOVAH 2 Likes |
Re: ⚫⚫ Trinity... Bible Proves That Jesus Is God by Nobody: 11:12am On Jul 12, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: You said who gave you the name? Well that's a discussion for another thread. |
Re: ⚫⚫ Trinity... Bible Proves That Jesus Is God by Nobody: 11:24am On Jul 12, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: "Surely there is not the slightest room for doubt in the mind of a truly consecrated child of God that the Lord Jesus Christ is present and has been since 1974 . . ." (The Watchtower, January 1, 1924, page 5). "The date of the close of that battle is definitely marked in Scripture as October, 1914. It is already in progress, its beginning date from October 1874" (The Watchtower, January 15, 1892, page 22). |
Re: ⚫⚫ Trinity... Bible Proves That Jesus Is God by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:27am On Jul 12, 2021 |
Bishopkingsley: Sorry i never called those qualities "GIFTS" they are the qualities of the FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit! That not what the bible teaches The Apostles were born again Christians who made mistakes and the Governing Body of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are also born again Christians who are not immune to mistakes. That's the way it is! |
Re: ⚫⚫ Trinity... Bible Proves That Jesus Is God by Nobody: 11:33am On Jul 12, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ARE FALSE WITNESSES WITH FALSE PROPHETS PREDICTING FALSE PROPHECIES MISLEADING MILLIONS OF THEIR FOLLOWERS But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble" (The Watchtower, July 15, 1894, page 226). "The present great war in Europe (reference to Word War I) is the beginning of Armageddon of the Scriptures" (Pastor Russell's Sermons, 1917) I doubt if Mr. Max was aware of this revelations. 2 Likes |
Re: ⚫⚫ Trinity... Bible Proves That Jesus Is God by Nobody: 11:37am On Jul 12, 2021 |
HELLO MR MAX ARE YOU STILL THERE? I TOLD YOU THAT I WILL CHALLENGE YOU AND YOU RUN AWAY |
Re: ⚫⚫ Trinity... Bible Proves That Jesus Is God by Nobody: 11:48am On Jul 12, 2021 |
MaxInDHouse: Show me example of the imperfections or how the state of confusion of the apostles in their teachings made them to alter their original teachings? |
Re: ⚫⚫ Trinity... Bible Proves That Jesus Is God by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:54am On Jul 12, 2021 |
I'm fully aware of all their mistakes but what do you expect from the watchman who stays AWAKE on the WATCHTOWER throughout the night watching? Well the citizens will never blame him if he says he saw something coming! All they will need to do is appreciate that the watchman is constantly on the watch! For your information, they thought God's kingdom will come in 1914 but that was the end of the days of the kings. Jesus began ruling in heaven that year and the earth felt the hear ever since then! Revelations 12:7-12 It will interest you that the global preaching and teaching program commenced in the year 1919 JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES began going from house to house, and exactly 100 years after that Covid19 occurred which made them stopped the house to house preaching. All these we are taking note even though people like you don't care! Matthew 24:39 So stand firm for what you know! PARACLETOS: |
Re: ⚫⚫ Trinity... Bible Proves That Jesus Is God by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:59am On Jul 12, 2021 |
PARACLETOS: You're mistaking my friend! Jehovah's Witnesses's teaching never changed! From the onset JEHOVAH is the name of our God, Jesus is the human name of Archangel Michael, God's people must be organized and orderly, there must not be military men in our midst, we must marry only one wife. Please what exactly has changed? |
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