OkCornel:


Guy, you just made a claim Yachad and Echad can be interchangeable when referring to the Oneness of God, use the scriptures to prove your point.

Bishopkingsley:


The bible is not novel
God teaches us to use his commandment and stories to explain other part that why he commands us to only use scripture to interpret scripture

I chose to use image to teach u this Point

OkCornel:


In other words, you can’t point to any scripture to back up your claim. Wonderful.

Let’s leave it here if you can’t point to any scriptural reference to back up your point.

Now it’s glaringly obvious why the early church fought against modalism.

Bishopkingsley:


Funny
Please point to the scriptures that back up your own claim

Note don't interpret it or translate it just point it out and write it down here

OkCornel:


You already quoted it earlier.

Deuteronomy 6 v 4;
Sh'ma Yisrael Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Eḥad:

"Hear, O Israel: the LORD is our God, the LORD is One."

Now can you show us where Echad was interchanged with Yachad to describe the Oneness of the Elohim?

Bishopkingsley:


I told you don't translate nonsense here

They said one
And they interpret it as one

So for you to start to refuse to believe it one
And start to claim that one in Hebrew means so and so
Don't you think you're now saying nonsense
By adding your own Hebrew interpretation

So you are saying what don't make sense

One hear means one just like in English

Bishopkingsley:


yac-had, ya-ch-ad ] The baby boy name Yachad is pronounced as YAA-HHaa-D †. Yachad is used predominantly in the Hebrew language and it is also derived from Hebrew origins. The name is of the meaning in unity. See also the related category hebrew.

Sh'ma Yisrael Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Eḥad: "Hear, O Israel: the LORD is our God, the LORD is One." The literal word meanings are roughly as follows: Sh'ma: literally means listen, heed, or hear and do (according to the Targum, accept) Yisrael: Israel, in the sense of the people or congregation of Israel.

It does not mean much still the same thing unity is one

All your so called Hebrew means nothing if God is not with you telling you what each means to him

OkCornel:


Did I interpret anything there?

I copied and pasted plain Hebrew “Echad” (Unified One) was used in Deuteronomy 6 v 4.

Enter the Hebrew Bible and show us where Yachad was used to describe the oneness of the Elohim and quit being emotional here.

Use the scriptures to back up your claim that Yachad can be interchanged for Echad in describing the oneness of God.

Simple!

Bishopkingsley:


To you
The (Unified One) does it mean plural or singular

Bishopkingsley:


To you
The (Unified One) does it mean plural or singular

OkCornel:


Bishopkingsley,

Perhaps this link will really be of help.

https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-oneness-unity-yachid-vs-echad.htm

Bishopkingsley:


Forget that link and answer the question

OkCornel:


Were you blind to the answer I posted earlier?

https://www.nairaland.com/6633634/just-like-god-satan-also/21#103489412

Bishopkingsley:


Using blind is too raw
Be kind unto one another I know it hard for you to practice the works of God

Now back to mine
I equally told you early that man (Solitary One
Simple shows that if you remove one of it three part there will be a problem with him

But in God (Unified One)
He can stand stand alone both as one and as three in one

Hope it not hard for you to understand

OkCornel:


Apologies for the use of words there.

I don’t have any problem understanding you.

Your position would have aligned if the Hebrew Scriptures if Yachad was also used to the oneness of God, and not just Echad.

You understand?

jantman:
Bishopkingsley

I desregard your above article because you speak from earthly wisdom and wrong knowledge about Satan.

Satan does not have Trinity, Satan manifest his power and operation in two ways

1) Axis powers (combine powers of demons)
2) Satan has many shadows

It only God that has Trinity because He is one God in three God dimension

Bishopkingsley:

If you are only looking for the outward manifestations of the holy spirit in church as you say it in speaking in tongues
Not
In fake fruit
Last time you said speaking in tongues was no more that Paul said it had been canceled I don't know if it was u who said but if it was then you are wrong
That why I said if you don't have Jesus and holy spirit you won't be able to speak in tongues
That was the initial evidence that even the apostles saw before they believe non jew can be saved

Bishopkingsley:


As long as God wrote that we are his image
That alone covers any doubt
You don't need any other information before you understand that as he is so are we

MaxInDHouse:
You are wrong!
There are two things to know about God's holy spirit:
The GIFTS of God's Holy Spirit!
These are the things that God promised the Israelites as a sign that the new covenant has been sealed so immediately the Jews at Pentecost saw this signs in the midst of Jesus' followers they realized that the Messiah (Christ) has come because it's the Messiah that will initiate that Covenant. So Peter quickly told his Jewish people that what God promised through one of his prophets {Joel 2:28 compare to Act 2:17} has come to fulfilment, it's then they realized that Jesus whom they saw, opposed and killed was the promised Messiah (Christ) but when Peter noticed their heartfelt bitterness (Act 2:37} he consoled them to take heart since they did all those things to God's son in ignorance. That's why Peter told them to get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ whom their leaders instigated them to kill! Act 2:38

But will this GIFTS continue in the midst of Christians? Apostle Paul answered "NO" because it was to help the Jews realize that the new covenant has been sealed, so after the fulfilment these GIFTS will cease {1Corinthians 13:8-10} because it's purpose has been met.


The FRUIT of God's Holy Spirit!
After they have seen the fulfilment of God's promises through the GIFT then holy spirit will start to work with them that's when the FRUIT will be made manifest in their midst for outsiders (unbelievers) to notice {Galatians 5:22-23} so while they're all prone to the flesh the spirit of God in their gathering will be directing their affairs and gradually people who aren't Christians will start seeing the fruit.
For instance, throughout the earth today everyone knows JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES as people who aren't different from others at work, schools, social gatherings, recreation centers and so on but everyone knows that in the gathering of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES there is LOVE JOY PEACE PATIENCE GOODNESS GENTLENESS FAITH MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL!
That's why Paul said though the GIFT will cease the FRUIT will endure forever in the midst of true Christians! 1Corinthians 13:13

OkCornel:


What is the any other information you’re referring to?

Bishopkingsley:


That your information on plural and singular interpretation which does not over rides the statement God made about us been in his image

OkCornel:


Tell that to the Hebrew authors of the scriptures and the early church fathers as well.

Bishopkingsley:

Saying this.... But will this GIFTS continue in the midst of Christians? Apostle Paul answered "NO" because it was to help the Jews realize that the new covenant has been sealed, so after the fulfilment these GIFTS will cease {1Corinthians 13:8-10} because it's purpose has been met
We call this evil doctrine
Why do you forbid to speak in tongues, when the Bible says, ‘Forbid not to speak in tongues’ (1 Cor. 14:39)?”
So, my dear brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and don’t forbid speaking in tongues.
1Corinthians 13:8-10}
Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. When the perfect comes note
It says when Jesus comes that is when tongues Wil stop notice not only tongues, even power, prophesy, knowledge
Ask your self now has knowledge stopped if according to you that u insist it now
Rather God says it when the perfect comes who is the perfect if not Jesus God
So it will continue until Jesus comes face to face

Bishopkingsley:


Tell that your un stable Hebrew language which you fail to understand it can be interchangeable just like English said one

English did not translate it as Unified one

But only as one

Tell that to those who translated the holy book tell them to come back and write it as you personally want since you are better than them

MaxInDHouse:
The PERFECT has come long time ago!
That simply means when all the scriptures has been sealed which is the Bible!
During that time what the Christians had back then is just the Hebrew-Aramaic Scriptures which is Genesis-Malachi (OT) so Paul means "when God's word has been completed"

So the GIFTS will continue to guide them until when the last information from God has been written, after that the gifts will cease. For your information that's why John could say in the Bible book of Revelation (last book)

“I am bearing witness to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll; 19 and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take his portion away from the trees of life and out of the holy city, things that are written about in this scroll! Revelations 22:18-19

So there was no need for performance of miracles by anyone, speaking in tongues to reveal anything to be added, vision to complete anything and deep knowledge to uncover secrets. All what we need to practice Christianity is complete in the Bible.

If you're expecting the GIFTS to continue surely you'll see gifts everywhere but such gifts are from demons. Revelations 16:14
People having it will only have a form of worship but they'll be carried away by racism and politics {2Timothy 3:5} that's why you're seeing so called Christians killing their fellow believers thinking they're fighting for what is right! Revelations 6:3-4

But God's own people will remain in LOVE towards all mankind {1Corinthians 13:13} they will not lift up weapons against anyone {Micah 4:1-3} because LOVE is their first concern, they will love all their neighbours as themselves {Mark 12:28-31} but most especially they will never think of carrying weapons against other people from other nations because they're sure their fellow believers will be there, so instead of picking up weapons in the name of defending their nations they will be prepared to lay down their lives because of their fellow believers just as Jesus laid down his life! John 13:34-35

OkCornel:


Lmao, Bishopkingsley is behaving as though the authors of the scriptures wrote and spoke English.

I wonder how you can conclude on something to be truth without making any efforts to investigate the original source…

Oh, I forgot… a “powerful man of God” taught you this modalistic heresy you’re stubbornly clinging to as the truth.

It’s quite hilarious to be honest. You are the correct person, while the Hebrew authors of the scriptures and the early church fathers were in error

Bishopkingsley:


Is it not funny how you assume to know more than God who said we are his image

Yet you hate that God said it you want to fight it with your Hebrew fake information

Sorry guess what it can not over ride what God has said

You want to use Unified one to argue with a sentence written by God that we are the same way as he is

OkCornel:


Go and study the truth in the language it was written in and get the right context.

Up till now, you can’t use the scriptures to prove where Yachad (Solitary One) was used in reference to the Oneness of God.

So whatever you’re clinging onto, just be clear it was declared a heresy in the early church.

But since you know better than all of them. Since you also know better than Jesus, ride on…

Bishopkingsley:
Prophecy and speaking in unknown languages [in tongues] and special knowledge will become useless. But love will last forever! Now our knowledge is partial and incomplete, and even the gift of prophecy reveals only part of the whole picture! But when the time of perfection comes, these partial things will become useless.

We who believe that the miraculous gifts continued after the first century generally understand the time of perfection as Christ’s second coming.
We teach that when Christ finally and fully reigns as king of the new heaven and new earth, all need for spiritual gifts like tongues, prophecy, and special knowledge will pass away.
But until that time, God the Holy Spirit will use the gift of tongues as He sees fit.

Bishopkingsley:


Go and study the sentence that explains what God is and what man is in the Bible

Up till now you can not see any where in the Bible that proves you are the same with an animal

You want to prove that we are different with your lying idea

Yet you can not see the way to break the written words of God that we are as he is

So your only hope you last lying hope is to formulate nonsense fake Hebrew word and translate it as Unified one saying this word proves to your mind that we are different


Can't u see how you think almost like the devil when you doubt God words

Why don't you take God at his words instead of looking for loop holes the same way devil found his own loop hole to use