OkCornel:


Happy Sunday bro.

Not too far, still around

How’s your weekend been?

You need to tell me where you stand the way you defend jehova witness is really obvious

When you know that without them accepting who Jesus is they will not have eternal life

Bishopkingsley:


You need to tell me where you stand the way you defend jehova witness is really obvious

When you know that without them accepting who Jesus is they will not have eternal life

How am I defending JW?

I speak for myself. No religion or denomination has any monopoly over the truth.

Forget JW or whatever and discuss scriptures.

OkCornel:


How am I defending JW?

I speak for myself. No religion or denomination has any monopoly over the truth.

Forget JW or whatever and discuss scriptures.

Well you have a point but not in the foundation of Christ

OkCornel:


How am I defending JW?

I speak for myself. No religion or denomination has any monopoly over the truth.

Forget JW or whatever and discuss scriptures.

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There is only one truth Christians are of three types one set which are major beliefs in Trinity,

the other cult Mormon and Jehovah witness beliefs in God and an angel


The 7th day believe in Trinity but not in speaking in tongues

If you don't believe in Trinity then you are not from God

So this your monopoly principles don't work under the foundation of God

You can apply monopoly rules when it comes to how you conduct your services in church but not in the foundation of Christ

Bishopkingsley:
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There is only one truth Christians are of three types one set which are major beliefs in Trinity,

the other cult Mormon and Jehovah witness beliefs in God and an angel


The 7th day believe in Trinity but not in speaking in tongues

If you don't believe in Trinity then you are not from God

So this your monopoly principles don't work under the foundation of God

You can apply monopoly rules when it comes to how you conduct your services in church but not in the foundation of Christ

Where did I mention I don’t believe in trinity?

I think you need to research properly on trinity, you’re preaching modalism, which you’ve mistaken for trinity.

You’re aligned more to the image on the right rather than the left.

Also, I guess you totally misunderstood the point I made on monopoly of the truth.

OkCornel:

How am I defending JW?
I speak for myself. No religion or denomination has any monopoly over the truth.
Forget JW or whatever and discuss scriptures.

That's how they carry along the crowd to castigate whoever refuse to follow their shallow mindset!

OkCornel:


Where did I mention I don’t believe in trinity?

I think you need to research properly on trinity, you’re preaching modalism, which you’ve mistaken for trinity.

You’re aligned more to the image on the right rather than the left.

Also, I guess you totally misunderstood the point I made on monopoly of the truth.

Am not saying you don't believe in Trinity am saying the way you support jehova witness is astonishing because you say no one hold monopoly in knowledge where as this is not monopoly but Fondation truth

Now on my own Trinity based on your pictures I really thought I had explained it to you do you want us to delve into it again or you did not really understand what it meant when God one being

Shows himself as a father
As a son
As a holy spirit

One being not three the same way your spirit is same with you but having different work it does

Let not continue to be making it sound moot
Now you can believe Trinity is three in one or three different beings

No problem with me I won't force you to believe that God is one being manifesting Himself in three ways

Bishopkingsley:


Am not saying you don't believe in Trinity am saying the way you support jehova witness is astonishing because you say no one hold monopoly in knowledge where as this is not monopoly but Fondation truth

Now on my own Trinity based on your pictures I really thought I had explained it to you do you want us to delve into it again or you did not really understand what it meant when God one being

Shows himself as a father
As a son
As a holy spirit

One being not three the same way your spirit is same with you but having different work it does

Let not continue to be making it sound moot
Now you can believe Trinity is three in one or three different beings

No problem with me I won't force you to believe that God is one being manifesting Himself in three ways

How have I supported JW when I clearly stated no one has a monopoly of the truth? (Except God himself)

No religion or denomination has a monopoly over the truth, and we only know in parts.

Everyone keeps on learning new things till they die.

MaxInDHouse:

That's how they carry along the crowd to castigate whoever refuse to follow their shallow mindset!

I tire o.

I’ve been here discussing scriptures, I wonder what I’ve said or implied to show loyalty to any denomination or religion for that matter.

OkCornel:


I tire o.

I’ve been here discussing scriptures, I wonder what I’ve said or implied to show loyalty to any denomination or religion for that matter.

Yes you are correct you have not shown loyalty

But when you become silent on important things you signify your indirectly in surport of it

Wise men say silence is complicit

Or let say you don't want to offend any group by been in the middle that is Also wrong

But it your choice I won't fault you on that

If you want only scripture talk make sure you don't try to break down Hebrew and English there by bringing more confuse theory on board

This English Bible is more than OK to explain it self so hope you accept my little explanation is nice

OkCornel:


How have I supported JW when I clearly stated no one has a monopoly of the truth? (Except God himself)

No religion or denomination has a monopoly over the truth, and we only know in parts.

Everyone keeps on learning new things till they die.

The knowledge of part God was saying in Bible was when it comes to knowing more about the things of God

That why Paul say be careful of what you add to the foundation

But here we are taking about the foundation principles which is established by God

There is no more any thing other than the foundation which is Trinity and God been made flesh

That the foundation any one that fails this foundation is already off the mark that what Bible teaches

Bishopkingsley:


Yes you are correct you have not shown loyalty

But when you become silent on important things you signify your indirectly in surport of it

Wise men say silence is complicit

Or let say you don't want to offend any group by been in the middle that is Also wrong

But it your choice I won't fault you on that

If you want only scripture talk make sure you don't try to break down Hebrew and English there by bringing more confuse theory on board

This English Bible is more than OK to explain it self so hope you accept my little explanation is nice

I’m lost, so would you rather I’d be an attack dog on this thread rather than discuss scriptures?

This is your thread, I came here to discuss with you, not JW.

Your discussion with JW is another thing altogether I’m not going to bother myself with.

If this is a JW thread for the purpose of discussing a specific doctrine, then it’s a different ball game altogether. This is your thread, not theirs nor mine.

Got it?

And as for the scripture, go and study it in the original language it’s written as the truth gets watered down and interpreted out of context from one language to the other. Ordinary Echad versus Yachad is splitting your hair already.

OkCornel:


I’m lost, so would you rather I’d be an attack dog on this thread rather than discuss scriptures?

This is your thread, I came here to discuss with you, not JW.

Your discussion with JW is another thing altogether I’m not going to bother myself with.

If this is a JW thread for the purpose of discussing a specific doctrine, then it’s a different ball game altogether. This is your thread, not theirs nor mine.

Got it?

And as for the scripture, go and study it in the original language it’s written as the truth gets watered down and interpreted out of context from one language to the other. Ordinary Echad versus Yachad is splitting your hair already.

You refuse to accept my views on Echad versus Yachad...

But you basically insist on your own interpretation
Without prove or explanation from the Bible which is not what God teaches us on how to explain scripture

Not one reference was used by you even though I gave you a higher statement from the creator
Which says we are his image
Only that statement should have knocked down any high translation in your mindset
But nay guess what you still insist on one word which can't over ride God's command

Bishopkingsley:


You refuse to accept my views on Echad versus Yachad...

But you basically insist on your own interpretation
Without prove or explanation from the Bible which is not what God teaches us on how to explain scripture

Not one reference what used by you even though I gave you a higher statement from the creator
Which says we are his image
Only that statement should have knocked down any high translation in your mindset
But nay guess what you still insist on one word which can't over ride God's command

Exactly the problem. It’s “your views” on Echad v Yachad, rather than how the Hebrews interpret it.

Or are you suddenly a Hebrew expert now? Your interpretation runs contrary to how the Hebrew scholars interpret it. Well unless you know the Hebrew language more than the Jews.

FYI, it is not my interpretation…rather it’s from the numerous Jewish scholars which I’ve posted links here on the thread which you’ve stubbornly ignored.

OkCornel:


Exactly the problem. It’s “your views” on Echad v Yachad, rather than how the Hebrews interpret it.

Or are you suddenly a Hebrew expert now? Your interpretation runs contrary to how the Hebrew scholars interpret it. Well unless you know the Hebrew language more than the Jews.

That pride because you are basically saying that your own interpretation is beyond the people who translated the holy book

How do you expect me to believe you
When you probably only just studied only some specific area to suit you

Should I write WhatsApp you so you can video me and then speak pure complete Hebrew to me

If I do that now you will confess that your not an expert on Hebrews

Let not mock ourselves you know you are not a professor on Hebrews language

Some one taught you this idea and you swallow it

My pastor once did that back then I refuse that teaching on correcting English with Hebrew to suit a teaching

When I told him he agreed with me after refusing
So it up to you to learn not to go back to correct English to suit your needs

Bishopkingsley:


That pride because you are basically saying that your own interpretation is beyond the people who translated the holy book

How do you expect me to believe you
When you probably only just studied only some specific area to suit you

Should I write WhatsApp you so you can video me and then speak pure complete Hebrew to me

If I do that now you will confess that your not an expert on Hebrews

Let not mock ourselves you know you are not a professor on Hebrews language

Some one taught you this idea and you swallow it

My pastor once did that back then I refuse that teaching on correcting English with Hebrew to suit a teaching

When I told him he agreed with me after refusing
So it up to you to learn not to go back to correct English to suit your needs

Rest abeg, back up your interpretation of Echad and Yachad with sources from the Jewish scholars community.

It’s basic research, rather than just conjuring interpretation of a language you know nothing about.

I deal with facts, not all these emotional outbursts and interpretation that can’t be backed with verifiable facts.

Well unless you want to tell us you know Hebrew better than the Jewish community.


It’s very very basic, I’ve done my assignment and researched Echad and Yachad from multiple Jewish sources and arrived at a unanimous conclusion. It doesn’t take a genius to do that. Why not do the same thing and spare us this emotional bleating of yours?

OkCornel:


Rest abeg, back up your interpretation of Echad and Yachad with sources from Jewish scholars community.

It’s basic research, rather than just conjuring interpretation of a language you know nothing about.

I deal with facts, not all these emotional outbursts and interpretation that can’t be backed with verifiable facts.

Well unless you want to tell us you know Hebrew better than the Jewish community.


It’s very very basic, I’ve done my assignment and researched Echad and Yachad from multiple Jewish sources and arrived at a unanimous conclusion. It doesn’t take a genius to do that. Why not do the same thing and spare us this emotional bleating of yours?

Bible I think forbid fact

That are not backed up by another place in Bible
Fact are not Bible truths
I told you no place backs your translation no place even tried to mean your fact when read in a sentence

How come your fact about an issues in the Bible is not backed in the same Bible

But rather from Hebrew community

I just tire for some kain Nigerians on this Nairaland.

Research, na lie.

I don bring research come, backed with multiple sources…oya read am, na lie.

They would rather run with an interpretation from a “powerful man of God” and swallow heaps of doctrinal rubbish rather than study diligently like the Berean Christians did!

I can’t deal with shallow religious folks abeg. Even when the raw facts stare them in the face, they’d rather walk in denial. What kind of human beings are these?

You call them out on their nonsense, they’ll start shouting you have pride. Absolute nonsense!

Bishopkingsley:


Bible I think forbid fact

That are not backed up by another place in Bible
Fact are not Bible truths
I told you no place backs your translation no place even tried to mean your fact when read in a sentence

How come your fact about an issues in the Bible is not backed in the same Bible

But rather from Hebrew community

Why are you embarrassing yourself with these questions?

Didn’t I tell you to read from the HEBREW BIBLE? You’ll see the Echad and Yachad spelt obviously to the naked eye there. Haba!

Please ask thought provoking questions, not the ones that depletes one’s brain cells abeg.

OkCornel:


Why are you embarrassing yourself with these questions?

Didn’t I tell you to read from the HEBREW BIBLE? You’ll see the Echad and Yachad spelt obviously to the naked eye there. Haba!

Please ask thought provoking questions, not the ones that depletes one’s brain cells abeg.

I won't accept your own meaning because it not what was written in the English version

You accused me of swallowing every thing when I clearly told you I don't do that and when you can see I don't even accept your vain translation

Which is not backed up in English version
Any time people can't see their own doctrine in the English version they call on Hebrew language to help them easily pervert the scriptures

And any time they get what they want in the English they won't even bother look it up in Hebrew to make sure it accurate

No wonder God told us don't add don't remove from the scriptures

You can tell me that God was sleeping when they translated it

You can tell me God was not involved I will just laugh at you and I will give you a billion dollar since only you were talking with God when you translated yours with the help of Hebrew community

Bishopkingsley:


I won't accept your own meaning because it not what was written in the English version

You accused me of swallowing every thing when I clearly told you I don't do that and when you can see I don't even accept your vain translation

Which is not backed up in English version
Any time people can't see their own doctrine in the English version they call on Hebrew language to help them easily pervert the scriptures

And any time they get what they want in the English they won't even bother look it up in Hebrew to make sure it accurate

No wonder God told us don't add don't remove from the scriptures

You can tell me that God was sleeping when they translated it

You can tell me God was not involved I will just laugh at you and I will give you a billion dollar since only you were talking with God when you translated your with the help of Hebrew community

For the records, in case you’re finding it quite difficult to understand something so basic.

It is not my interpretation, this is the interpretation of the Jewish scholarly community. If you don’t want to accept, go and fight them since you know the language more than them.

I wonder how you learnt English to start with.

I also wonder how you’ll learn to speak other foreign languages, by fighting the native speakers abi?


At this juncture, it’s just plain clear to everyone on this thread that you’re illogically stubborn.

Please do your research and come back with findings from the Hebrew community that backs your interpretation of Echad and Yachad.


We both know you won’t find what aligns with your doctrine hence the stubborn refusal from your end. Keep arguing with the naked truth put before you.


Lmao, and I guess God was asleep when Ajayi Crowther pulled a blunder and interpreted Satan as Esu (Loki’s equivalent in the Yoruba pantheon of gods) which your Yoruba God fearing brothers ran along with that error for over a century.

Your problem is ignorance and stubbornness. Research and cure yourself of this.

OkCornel:


For the records, in case you’re finding it quite difficult to understand something so basic.

It is not my interpretation, this is the interpretation of the Jewish scholarly community. If you don’t want to accept, go and fight them since you know the language more than them.

I wonder how you learnt English to start with.

I also wonder how you’ll learn to speak other foreign languages, by fighting the native speakers abi?


At this juncture, it’s just plain clear to everyone on this thread that you’re illogically stubborn.

Please do your research and come back with findings from the Hebrew community that backs your interpretation of Echad and Yachad.


We both know you won’t find what aligns with your doctrine hence the stubborn refusal from your end. Keep arguing with the naked truth put before you.


Lmao, and I guess God was asleep when Ajayi Crowther pulled a blunder and interpreted Satan as Esu (Loki’s equivalent in the Yoruba pantheon of gods) which your Yoruba God fearing brothers ran along with that error for over a century.

Your problem is ignorance and stubbornness. Research and cure yourself of this.

So the first set of Hebrew community that translated the first version was lower than this set of jews group that did your own translation


Hmmmmmmmmmmmm reading down I can see anger and resentment

Let move on since you refuse to learn

Maybe when there is a better new topic we can discuss about it

Bishopkingsley:


So the first set of Hebrew community that translated the first version was lower than this set of jews group that did your own translation


Hmmmmmmmmmmmm reading down I can see anger and resentment

Let move on since you refuse to learn

Maybe when there is a better new topic we can discuss about it

When you are ready to bring an interpretation(s) from the Jewish scholars community that aligns with your view, then we can discuss.

Anything other than that is a complete waste of my precious time.

Problems of the Nigerian educational system.

OkCornel:
Problems of the Nigerian educational system.

So funny

OkCornel:


When you are ready to bring an interpretation(s) from the Jewish scholars community that aligns with your view, then we can discuss.

Anything other than that is a complete waste of my precious time.

How many times will I say your interpretation should be from Bible

Why are you afraid to bring it from Bible

Any way

Let move on
To a new topic

Bishopkingsley:


How many times will I say your interpretation should be from Bible

Why are you afraid to bring it from Bible

Any way

Let move on
To a new topic

What part of the word “HEBREW BIBLE” do you not understand? Or were the Echad and Yachad plucked from thin air?

Abi was the original scriptures written in English?

Why do you keep embarrassing yourself like this?

Do your research or just forget about this topic and discuss something else. This discussion is not a good use of my time.

OkCornel:


What part of the word “HEBREW BIBLE” do you not understand? Or were the Echad and Yachad plucked from thin air?

Abi was the original scriptures written in English?

Why do you keep embarrassing yourself like this?

Do your research or just forget about this topic and discuss something else. This discussion is not a good use of my time.

Even if it Greek or heaven language make sure it corresponds with the English version

That my point

Bishopkingsley:


Even if it Greek or heaven language make sure it corresponds with the English version

That my point

Because English was the original language the scriptures was written in?

MaxinDHouse and Janosky, please continue your discussion with Bishopkingsley.

This display of ignorance is just too embarrassing and amusing at the same time.

Is this joke or people actually reason in this manner?

OkCornel:


Because English was the original language the scriptures was written in?

MaxinDHouse and Janosky, please continue your discussion with Bishopkingsley.

This display of ignorance is just too embarrassing and amusing at the same time.

Is this joke or people actually reason in this manner?

As long as you don't see what I see you will continue to enjoy the level you want

All languages are in a state of transition, my language as at 70 years ago is different from how it is now so Is English and likewise Hebrew all languages are evolving so just because you learnt few Hebrew words in this new generation and you think that the only way to read Bible that was written thousands years ago and you think that only way to understand it

Nay you are wrong because thinking like that will

There by make the word of God of no effect

Rather your faith should on the holy spirit who teaches scriptures to those who are called

If you really have the holy spirit he will educate you on each verse he will transmit it to you and expand your horizon no matter the language you choose to learn it from

You don't need to know Hebrew before you can understand the scriptures

Having God is the key to it

Is it not Hebrew professors that perverted jehova witness Bible

Bishopkingsley:


Sorry 1John 5:7

Yes the oneness there means agreement, that exactly oneness Jesus is speaking about at John 14:10

paltielx:
Yes the oneness there means agreement, that exactly oneness Jesus is speaking about at John 14:10

No it about the nature of God