garfield1:



Lagos is always hotly contested by apc and pdp.it does not deliver bloc votes infact,there are at least 4 lgas dominated by pdp.with more advancement in elections,the ability of southern states to rig is reducing and will reduce further even in the north...
When am talking about inflation,I dont mean the type where tinubu increases his votes by just 100k or 200. I mean something like pdp 200,000 apc 2 million.that cannot work in lagos esp now that the electoral law will make card readers compulsory

Lagos gave OBJ over a million votes in 2003 FYI. Even 2011 elections, Jonathan won Lagos by a very wide margin.

The basic fact is that rigging and vote inflation can happen in Lagos.
If card reader is made compulsory, Lagos alone won't be affected.
In fact, Northern states will be more affected because most northern LGAs usually jettison the use of card readers claiming it didn't work and they couldn't get replacement.
If card reader becomes compulsory such states where results are usually written will be more affected and I can name such states off hand. Most are in the north and south South

LLiKYekoba:


That was my leader MNK telling you abookies to kill yaself. I endorse the picture.

Your Supreme leader who was caught while fucking a wh.ore. He was chained and dragged like a comon Thief, by our Northern Galant Soldiers. I know say the thing go Dey pain you well. Sake of weting Northerners Dey do una

Agbegbaorogboye:

Lagos gave OBJ over a million votes in 2003 FYI. Even 2011 elections, Jonathan won Lagos by a very wide margin.

The basic fact is that rigging and vote inflation can happen in Lagos.
If card reader is made compulsory, Lagos alone won't be affected.
In fact, Northern states will be more affected because most northern LGAs usually jettison the use of card readers claiming it didn't work and they couldn't get replacement.
If card reader becomes compulsory such states where results are usually written will be more affected and I can name such states off hand. Most are in the north and south South

I know lagos gave obj such votes during the manual accreditation period but rivers,oyo and ogun gave more.

Like I said,everywhere will be affected but the south will be more affected since voters turn out is usually low.the northern voters usually come out more so in the end,they will still have more votes.
If buhari doesn't sign the bill,lagos cannot inflate votes like kano and katsina.

MrColdsweat:
The military is also a dangerous piece in the hand of sokoto. Boko haram, bandits, herdmen and the importation of fulanis from Senegal, Gambia, Mali, guinea to southern Nigeria is also a factor. They want a large population of abokis in the south so as to clearly defeat a southern presidential candidate.

They appoint the inec chair, they control the judiciary.

Sokoto is very much likely to control Abuja beyond 2023. Southern governors are only deceiving southerners.

well if that should be the case, ugm and igboho matter will be a child's play to what will happen.

Zetra7:


Who is the North Don't want to boast but the south supercedes the North is all ramification.
We are talking about the south that have progressed and have strived to make something out of themselves to the respect of the world.

Today one is appointed the highest profile black close to the next king of Britian, tomorrow another has excelled in an area of the America , can I talk about their presence in Russia and China

Who is the North and what have they achieved

Look at the sheer presence of the south in the world so what's our business with those that holds onto cow grazing and mannequin eroticism.

The North is beneath the south and time will come they will demand their own country.

Do you need a microphone ? Louder jaree.

garfield1:


I know lagos gave obj such votes during the manual accreditation period but rivers,oyo and ogun gave more.

Like I said,everywhere will be affected but the south will be more affected since voters turn out is usually low.the northern voters usually come out more so in the end,they will still have more votes.
If buhari doesn't sign the bill,lagos cannot inflate votes like kano and katsina.

You just keep going round in circles instead of simply admitting you are wrong. First it was Lagos doesn't give bloc votes. I gave you two valid examples and you resort to an excuse of manual accreditation. Has manual accreditation stopped in Nigeria?

Look, if Buhari does not sign that bill, Lagos can and will inflate votes anyhow they like. In fact, what can stop votes inflation is electronic transmission of results cause that's where votes are added and subtracted.

It's even funny you claim voter turnout in the north is usually much. Go and look at the 1993 elections and the 1959 elections which were devoid of any magomago. It will surprise you that South had more voter turnout than the north and by a good margin too.

North is very scattered and majority of them don't vote. In fact, it's only in Nigeria you see rural areas producing more votes than urban areas. The votes of many poling units are usually written at the LG headquarters. That's why you usually see very large margins in the votes.

I've experienced voting in the north twice and I was able to move around and speak to corp members and they will tell you if you really want to see the true voting patterns in North, get card readers compulsory and also electronic transmission of results. Remove manual from everything. You will be amazed I tell you

colorsofrainbow:


The way Abaribe licks asses of his Northern masters,that's why we want him to become president of Nigeria so that he will continue leaking Northern asses...
Why are you disturbed if he is a Northern asslicker?

Never.
Igbo can never rule this Country.

Quote me anywhere.

garfield1:


Buhari has done well in terms of infrastructure and workers welfare.nigeria has been decaying even before buhari came.every problem under buhari was inherited.

Ganduje is a thief but which politician in nigeria isn't? Me and you know that all governors steal like ganduje.he was only unlucky.but he has done well.tambuwal is progressive,kebbi governor too and badaru abubakar of jigawa....
Gej was a near total failure.he did not give us any democracy.buhari is a better Democrat than him,I can cite several instances.dont forget buhari is even coming from a military background..

Exactly which indices in particular has Buhari done well in?

Nigeria ranked third-worst nation in new global good governance index
https://m.guardian.ng/news/nigeria-ranked-third-worst-nation-in-new-global-good-governance-index/

Nigeria drops on Transparency’s corruption index, now second most corrupt in W’Africa
28 January 2021

https://punchng.com/nigeria-drops-on-transparencys-corruption-index-now-second-most-corrupt-in-wafrica/

Nigeria Slips To 110th Position in EIU’s Democracy Index 2020

Nigeria ranked 110 with a score of 4.10 out of 10, Nigeria was categorized as a hybrid regime. While Nigeria was ranked 20 in Sub-Saharan Africa, Mauritius, Cape Verde, Botswana and South Africa occupies, 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th positions respectively.

https://brandspurng.com/2021/02/03/nigeria-slips-to-110th-position-in-eius-democracy-index-2020/

Nigeria ranks 146th on Global Peace Index, 8th least peaceful in Africa

https://m.guardian.ng/news/nigeria/nigeria-ranks-146th-on-global-peace-index-8th-least-peaceful-in-africa/

Nigeria scored low on The Heritage Foundation’s 2020 Index of Economic Freedom. The index ranks 180 countries, averaging scores in 12 categories of economic freedom. The scores are calculated using statistics from third-party international organizations.

Overall, Nigeria ranks 116th out of 180 countries, and its status is “Mostly Unfree.” Nigeria does especially poorly on the Rule of Law variables, where its scores are among the worst in the index.

https://www.dailysignal.com/2020/11/02/now-more-than-ever-what-nigeria-needs-is-economic-freedom/

Once Africa’s promise, Nigeria is heaving under crime, few jobs

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/6/15/once-africas-promise-nigeria-is-heaving-under-crime-scare-jobs

Oil-rich Nigeria outstrips India as country with most people in poverty

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2018/jul/16/oil-rich-nigeria-outstrips-india-most-people-in-poverty

Nigeria has become the poverty capital of the world

https://qz.com/africa/1313380/nigerias-has-the-highest-rate-of-extreme-poverty-globally/

Africa’s biggest economy dropped three spots to 161 in 2019 from 158 in 2018 among 189 countries in the 2020 Human Development Index (HDI), according to a new report released by the United Nations Development Programme (UNDP).

The country’s HDI value for 2019 was 0.539 which put the country in the low human development category.

https://businessday.ng/news/article/nigeria-drops-3-places-to-161-in-uns-2020-human-development-index/

Nigeria’s Economy Ranks 114 in 2019 Global Innovation Index, Below Kenya and Rwanda

https://technext.ng/2019/07/25/nigerias-economy-ranks-114-in-2019-global-innovation-index-below-kenya-and-rwanda/

PLAGUED by years of interminable Islamist terrorism, banditry and other unbridled security challenges, Nigeria’s ability to feed its mammoth population is becoming highly questionable. Already, millions of Nigerians are unable to feed like they used to do. With insecurity deteriorating to an extraordinary level, there is a real threat of hunger looming large over Africa’s most populous country. Nigeria occupied the 10th position in the 2020 Global Hunger Index where countries like Afghanistan, Haiti and Chad prominently featured among the ten hungriest countries.
https://punchng.com/Editorial/There-is-looming-hunger-in-the-land

In the 2020 Global Hunger Index, Nigeria ranks 98th out of 107 countries the with sufficient data to calculate 2020 GHI scores. With a score of 29.2, Nigeria has a level of hunger that is serious.

https://www.globalhungerindex.org/nigeria.html

‘It is really bad’: Nigerians go hungry as food inflation soars

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/4/16/it-is-really-bad-nigerians-go-hungry-as-food-inflation-soars

Human Rights Watch slams Buhari’s dictatorial tendencies

https://www.naijiant.com/guestcolumn/human-rights-watch-slams-buharis-dictatorial-tendencies/

With the (Human Freedom Index), my co-author Ian Vásquez and I aim to capture the degree to which people are free to enjoy fundamental rights such as freedom of speech, religion, association and assembly, and also measure freedom of movement, women's freedoms, crime and violence and legal discrimination against same-sex relationships. The report is co-published by the Fraser Institute, the Cato Institute in the United States and the Liberales institut in Germany.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/blogs/human-freedom-waning-in-many-countries

(Nigeria ranks 131st out of 162 countries)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Freedom_Index

THE administration of President Muhammadu Buhari met a decaying health sector after his election in 2015. And most Nigerians believed his government would help fix the sector. The emergence of COVID-19 further re-echoed the necessity for prioritising the health sector, but it appears only a little has changed in a country that parades some of the world’s worst health indices, The ICIR reports.

https://www.icirnigeria.org/analysis-nigeria-health-sector-after-buharis-six-years-in-office/

The worst recession in 40 years, the collapse of crude, insurgents and the pandemic: how this country’s economy has been ruined in just 6 years

https://marketresearchtelecast.com/the-worst-recession-in-40-years-the-collapse-of-crude-insurgents-and-the-pandemic-how-this-countrys-economy-has-been-ruined-in-just-6-years/78310/

Nigeria slides into worst recession since 1987

https://politicsnigeria.com/breaking-nigeria-slides-into-worst-recession-since-1987/

Buhari is the only Nigerian president that has presided over the country under multiple recessions.

https://www.thecable.ng/buharis-legacy-of-recessions/amp

Under Buhari, Nigeria’s economy to lose 10 years’ gains: World Bank

https://gazettengr.com/under-buhari-nigerias-economy-to-lose-10-years-gains-world-bank/


Nigeria Ranked 115 Out Of 180 On Press Freedom Index

http://saharareporters.com/2020/04/26/nigeria-ranked-115-out-180-press-freedom-index

Nigeria’s human rights record ‘very poor’, worse than average in sub-Saharan Africa

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/469652-nigerias-human-rights-record-very-poor-worse-than-average-in-sub-saharan-africa.html

Nigeria ranked sixth most miserable country in the world

Thailand and Hungary rank as the least miserable countries in the world on the 2018 Misery Index, having ranked 95th and 94th respectively of the 95 countries ranked by Hanke.

Venezuela, Argentina, Iran, Brazil and Turkey lead in that order, while Nigeria is sixth.

https://punchng.com/nigeria-ranked-sixth-most-miserable-country-in-the-world/

GDP performance of Nigeria’s Presidents since 1999

Goodluck Ebele Jonathan, 2011-2015 (4.80%)

GEJ took over as president after the death of his predecessor in 2010 and was later elected President in 2011. His presidency saw the rollout of reforms including fuel deregulation which was hit by the “#OccupyNigeria” protests, and also the successful implementation of the first phase of Nigeria’s reforms, which saw the deregulation of Distribution and Generation of PHCN assets into the GenCos and DisCos of today (transmission is still in the hands of the Transmission Company of Nigeria, which distributes the power to DisCos nationally).

Jonathan’s 2011 presidential year saw economic growth at 5.31%. The highest growth rate was 6.22% recorded in 2014. Nigeria’s GDP growth averaged 4.80% under his leadership, from 2011 to 2015.

Muhammadu Buhari, 2016-2020 (0.31%)

Buhari’s administration historically signified the transfer of leadership to an opposition party in Nigeria’s democratic history, an election where promises to diversify the economy from crude oil were made, alongside others.

For several reasons, the administration has fallen short of its promises although it has scored fairly good points in social welfare schemes executed under the National Social Investment Programme (NSIP). Notable among these programs are the National Home-Grown School Feeding Programme (NHGSFP); N-Power program aimed at creating jobs for 1 million beneficiaries; GEEP programme to provide loans to an additional 1 million traders, farmers and market people; and the Social Register, to accommodate an additional 1 million households. Others include the TRADERMONI, MARKETMONI, FARMERMONI, MSME Survival Fund, and N75 billion National Youth Investment Fund (NYIF).

Under the Buhari administration, the economy has experienced rising food inflation and currency inflation which have seen Nigeria’s GDP per capita fall to the level it was 40 years ago.

His 2016 presidential year experienced a decline of -1.58%. The highest growth thus far is 2.27% recorded in 2019. Although his administration ends in 2023, from his arrival in 2016 to 2020, GDP growth under his leadership averaged 0.31%.

https://nairametrics.com/2021/05/21/gdp-performance-of-nigerias-presidents-since-1999/

Nigeria is ranked 128 out of 153 countries on the GIWPS’s 2017 Women, Peace, and Security Index, which is a measure of women’s well being. Nigeria scores low on financial inclusion, lower on women’s political participation, and even lower on access to education.

https://ladetawak.medium.com/how-laws-can-impede-the-fight-for-equality-56fc11ac1c0b

In November 2017, it was reported that President Muhammadu Buhari ratified and inaugurated a number of policies relating to the military, one of which, according to the PUNCH newspaper, includes a recommendation to “phase out the training of female regular combatant cadets.” This is a reversal of a policy created during the tenure of former President Goodluck Jonathan.

[b]What is most astonishing about this move is that it is not based on the performance or competence of women already admitted into the National Defence Academy. The recommendation for the ban was made after complaints had been made by unnamed northern Muslim leaders. These leaders, most likely men, based their proposal on being worried about women becoming leaders within the army, and giving orders to men.

Interestingly, the women already admitted into the programme have been performing beyond expectations, even, according to a source, outperforming their male colleagues: the Navy Gold award (highest in the navy category) the Army Silver award, and the Air Force Silver award (second highest in the army and air force respectively) went to women, and two female cadets outshone their male counterparts to win placement at the United States Military Academy in West Point.

https://ladetawak.medium.com/how-laws-can-impede-the-fight-for-equality-56fc11ac1c0b

[b]2020 Social Progress Index Scorecard for Nigeria

Nigeria, with a score of 51.31, is currently ranked 136th out of 163 countries.

https://adesojiadegbulu.com/social-progress-index/

Nigeria is this year ranked the fifth position in Africa and 81st in the world, according to the 2020 Digital Quality of Life (DQL) Index, which gives insight into how people’s overall welfare is influenced by their digital wellbeing.

The study sampled the quality of digital wellbeing in 85 countries across the globe over five key pillars: Internet affordability, Internet quality, electronic infrastructure, electronic government, and electronic security.

https://m.guardian.ng/technology/nigeria-lags-in-africa-on-digital-quality-of-life-index/

Buhari fails to sign over 200 bills passed by NASS in six years

https://punchng.com/buhari-fails-to-sign-over-200-bills-passed-by-nass-in-six-years/

You say Buhari is a better democrat than GEJ. How, exactly, given the nation's current ranking in Democracy Index and Buhari's poor human rights record?

Almaigaa:


Never.
Igbo can never rule this Country.

Quote me anywhere.

hate speech

Mynd44 lalasticlala Seun

Rule 2

Agbegbaorogboye:


You just keep going round in circles instead of simply admitting you are wrong. First it was Lagos doesn't give bloc votes. I gave you two valid examples and you resort to an excuse of manual accreditation. Has manual accreditation stopped in Nigeria?

Look, if Buhari does not sign that bill, Lagos can and will inflate votes anyhow they like. In fact, what can stop votes inflation is electronic transmission of results cause that's where votes are added and subtracted.

It's even funny you claim voter turnout in the north is usually much. Go and look at the 1993 elections and the 1959 elections which were devoid of any magomago. It will surprise you that South had more voter turnout than the north and by a good margin too.

North is very scattered and majority of them don't vote. In fact, it's only in Nigeria you see rural areas producing more votes than urban areas. The votes of many poling units are usually written at the LG headquarters. That's why you usually see very large margins in the votes.

I've experienced voting in the north twice and I was able to move around and speak to corp members and they will tell you if you really want to see the true voting patterns in North, get card readers compulsory and also electronic transmission of results. Remove manual from everything. You will be amazed I tell you

Lagos has never produced more votes than kano and rivers in presidential elections.if lagos can inflate,why haven't tinubu done so?

Whether you admit it or not,the north have a higher turnout.during 2011,2015 and 2019 elections where live results were posted from polling units,you will see that average polling units in the north produce 300+ votes while those in the south produce less than 100.you can recheck the 2019 election threads on nairaland to confirm.even queues shown on television shows longer queues up north and scanty queues down south.some areas in the north had voters who slept at polling units a day to the elections,southerners dont have such enthusiasm.
Rigging and non use of card readers are not done by the north alone,it is also done by the south esp in ss and se.infact,the most rigged regions since 1999 are the ss and se followed by the north west and north east.it is only in the south west and nc where we have a semblance of free and fair elections...

In summary,the hardest place to rig is the southwest.the opposition is strong there and a lot of the people are liberal and sophisticated.you cannot see one party having 80% of the votes so vote inflation is almost impossible but in places like kano,borno,katsina and yobe,apc is completely dominant.opposition there is weak so the consensus is to vote apc therefore inflating votes is easy...the only place I know that tried to inflate votes down south was in anambra state but ngige and tony nwoye got wind of the plans and mounted severe resistance if not, they would have given atiku up to a million.you hardly see such resistance in borno,yobe,katsina

LLiKYekoba:


If you won't accept a southerner in 2023 then prepare to unite with your brothers in Niger republic.

Dumb emotional outbursts, we don't make empty threats on cyberspace, we carry it out with extreme prejudice while damning the consequences.

Gireiboy:

Dumb emotional outbursts, we don't make empty threats on cyberspace, we carry it out with extreme prejudice while damning the consequences.

You are not the only one who can run mad, of course recent events in this country have proven that.
Ask your relatives in the police and military who are begging to be transfered out of the east.

garfield1:


What do you want tinubu to do? To antagonize the north? He has always stood with the south but he needs to appear to the north as if he is liberal.for you to be a president,you must be nationalistic and a unifier

Quick question, Buhari that is president for 2 terms now, is he a unifier or is he nationalistic? Can you honestly answer this

handelex:
Quick question, Buhari that is president for 2 terms now, is he a unifier or is he nationalistic? Can you honestly answer this

Well,he is to an extent but as it stands an anti northern southerner cannot be president

garfield1:


Lagos has never produced more votes than kano and rivers in presidential elections.if lagos can inflate,why haven't tinubu done so?

Whether you admit it or not,the north have a higher turnout.during 2011,2015 and 2019 elections where live results were posted from polling units,you will see that average polling units in the north produce 300+ votes while those in the south produce less than 100.you can recheck the 2019 election threads on nairaland to confirm.even queues shown on television shows longer queues up north and scanty queues down south.some areas in the north had voters who slept at polling units a day to the elections,southerners dont have such enthusiasm.
Rigging and non use of card readers are not done by the north alone,it is also done by the south esp in ss and se.infact,the most rigged regions since 1999 are the ss and se followed by the north west and north east.it is only in the south west and nc where we have a semblance of free and fair elections...

In summary,the hardest place to rig is the southwest.the opposition is strong there and a lot of the people are liberal and sophisticated.you cannot see one party having 80% of the votes so vote inflation is almost impossible but in places like kano,borno,katsina and yobe,apc is completely dominant.opposition there is weak so the consensus is to vote apc therefore inflating votes is easy...the only place I know that tried to inflate votes down south was in anambra state but ngige and tony nwoye got wind of the plans and mounted severe resistance if not, they would have given atiku up to a million.you hardly see such resistance in borno,yobe,katsina

Mtcheew. I referred you to the 1993 presidential election the freest election so far and which even had a Kano indigene on the ballot. Lagos had more than double of Kano votes.

Tinubu does inflate Lagos figures. Only that he can't or has not seen a risen to do it at the scale you expect. If push comes to shove, especially if he runs in 2023, don't be surprised by the figures you'll see from Lagos.

I have already told you. Voter turnout is not usually as it is been painted in the north. You're even using Nairaland to judge. How many northerners are on NL in the first place? Most results that come in from the north are usually culled from mainstream media not from voters.

To buttress my point, have you seen the online registration exercise ongoing in the country, the south has almost triple of the figures from the north. Voter registration and even voting is easier in urban places than rural. Let me tell you, on the night before elections, most states in the north mobilize their agents with cash, foodstuffs and even recharge cards to go to the hinterland and buy people's votes, most of whom don't have voter's card nor have their names on the voters register. You can't do that in the south because of the so-called sophistication. It does not indicate that more people turn out to vote in the north. It is the fact that most parts of the north are rural therefore the elections there get less coverage than in the south.

So take it from me. The worst rigging that has ever happened in this country happened in the South between 2003 and 2007. A certain Yoruba man was the president. So stop claiming that rigging is hard in the southwest. It's the people there that are not amenable to rigging and most importantly, the politicians in the south generally see less reason to rig more than in the north. For example, can you imagine Kwankwaso boasting that Almajiri votes got Jonathan out of office and everyone knew he was talking about underage voting yet no one killed him for it. Just imagine if he was a southerner and he said that. I'm sure that will have been the end of his political career

I hope you realize that Katsina has been a PDP state from 1999 until 2015. The biggest politician from Kano (Kwankwaso) has been more of a PDP man than APC too. So, stop using eight years to mumble issues up. That's the problem you generally suffer from. APC syndrome. You talk as if elections started in 2015 in Nigeria.

You have not been to the north during elections especially the general elections as I've been so you can't tell me about card reader usage there. It is not used mostly. Take it from me.

Agbegbaorogboye:


Mtcheew. I referred you to the 1993 presidential election the freest election so far and which even had a Kano indigene on the ballot. Lagos had more than double of Kano votes.

Tinubu does inflate Lagos figures. Only that he can't or has not seen a risen to do it at the scale you expect. If push comes to shove, especially if he runs in 2023, don't be surprised by the figures you'll see from Lagos.

I have already told you. Voter turnout is not usually as it is been painted in the north. You're even using Nairaland to judge. How many northerners are on NL in the first place? Most results that come in from the north are usually culled from mainstream media not from voters.

To buttress my point, have you seen the online registration exercise ongoing in the country, the south has almost triple of the figures from the north. Voter registration and even voting is easier in urban places than rural. Let me tell you, on the night before elections, most states in the north mobilize their agents with cash, foodstuffs and even recharge cards to go to the hinterland and buy people's votes, most of whom don't have voter's card nor have their names on the voters register. You can't do that in the south because of the so-called sophistication. It does not indicate that more people turn out to vote in the north. It is the fact that most parts of the north are rural therefore the elections there get less coverage than in the south.

So take it from me. The worst rigging that has ever happened in this country happened in the South between 2003 and 2007. A certain Yoruba man was the president. So stop claiming that rigging is hard in the southwest. It's the people there that are not amenable to rigging and most importantly, the politicians in the south generally see less reason to rig more than in the north. For example, can you imagine Kwankwaso boasting that Almajiri votes got Jonathan out of office and everyone knew he was talking about underage voting yet no one killed him for it. Just imagine if he was a southerner and he said that. I'm sure that will have been the end of his political career

I hope you realize that Katsina has been a PDP state from 1999 until 2015. The biggest politician from Kano (Kwankwaso) has been more of a PDP man than APC too. So, stop using eight years to mumble issues up. That's the problem you generally suffer from. APC syndrome. You talk as if elections started in 2015 in Nigeria.

You have not been to the north during elections especially the general elections as I've been so you can't tell me about card reader usage there. It is not used mostly. Take it from me.

I did not argue about northerners dumping card readers for manual accreditation, I only said southerners also do it.it is a national thing.at least we both agree that the worst rigging in nigeria happened in 2003 and 2007 but the highest level happened in ss and se where rivers gave obj 2 million votes.

In my state cross river,a lot of voters registers are padded up or inflated.in my village,in 2011 the total registered voters were about 700 but the elites induced inec to input 2000 since it their villages are also padding up figures.it is not just a northern thing but a national problem....
My statistics is not based on 8 years but from 1999....it is not true that politicians in the south rig less except you mean south west.statistics show that politicians in ss and se rig more than any other zone.

garfield1:


I did not argue about northerners dumping card readers for manual accreditation, I only said southerners also do it.it is a national thing.at least we both agree that the worst rigging in nigeria happened in 2003 and 2007 but the highest level happened in ss and se where rivers gave obj 2 million votes.

In my state cross river,a lot of voters registers are padded up or inflated.in my village,in 2011 the total registered voters were about 700 but the elites induced inec to input 2000 since it their villages are also padding up figures.it is not just a northern thing but a national problem....
My statistics is not based on 8 years but from 1999....it is not true that politicians in the south rig less except you mean south west.statistics show that politicians in ss and se rig more than any other zone.

Kindly show the statistics. I hope you know the SW has had more elections overturned due to malpractice than any other region since 1999. The north has also had least not because there's no rigging but because politicians there and the people especially see it as a normal.

I've given you live examples even using 1993 elections.

Rigging happens in the north more than the south because their politicians see it as normal and people are generally docile there.

Now you have turned around to say it's a national problem. Who said otherwise? What i'm telling you is there are more inflated figures in the north than south and election malpractices occur more in the north than south. Just that no one in the north is ready to make noise over it.

I've shown you example with the online voter registration which can't be rigged. You can see how the numbers of the north have plummeted sharply.

All these can happen in the south too. It's just that South are more amenable to normalcy and fairness. Simple!!

Agbegbaorogboye:


Kindly show the statistics. I hope you know the SW has had more elections overturned due to malpractice than any other region since 1999. The north has also had least not because there's no rigging but because politicians there and the people especially see it as a normal.

I've given you live examples even using 1993 elections.

Rigging happens in the north more than the south because their politicians see it as normal and people are generally docile there.

Now you have turned around to say it's a national problem. Who said otherwise? What i'm telling you is there are more inflated figures in the north than south and election malpractices occur more in the north than south. Just that no one in the north is ready to make noise over it.

I've shown you example with the online voter registration which can't be rigged. You can see how the numbers of the north have plummeted sharply.

All these can happen in the south too. It's just that South are more amenable to normalcy and fairness. Simple!!

Me and you know that the southwest is where we have a semblance of free and fair elections.opposition is strong and rigging is hard so once there is rigging by any scintilla,it will likely be upturned.the northerners are far more politically aware and sophisticated.the tend to vote different candidates and parties than the south.
The south south is the only place where no governor has ever lost election,you can imagine...rivers state gave 2 million votes in 2003 to pdp meanwhile states with more voters like kano,lagos,oyo,kaduna have neber done such.rivers is whwre am based and people hardly come out to vote its funny.ogun in 2003 gave obj 99% of the votes,this is unprecedented.
From 2003 to 2011,states like aks,anambra,abia,imo, with less than 2 million voters where churning out an average of 1.1 million votes meanwhile people hardly turnout during elections in this state.I've not been to the north but I make sure I shuffle the south during election periods.this southern states had over 70% turnout meanwhile the national average is 47%.a foreign studies once put jigawa as the state with the highest average turnout...meanwhile,only kano,katsina and Kaduna which had more voters were producing over 1 million.take a look at the 2011 presidential results to get a better view.the ss and se produced incredible and unbelievable figures compared to the north...
Again,a look at the 2015 elections will reveal the inhuman rigging in the ss and se.they allocated less than 10% of the votes to other parties in ss and se except in edo while in the nw and ne,pdp had up to 20% in most states...

Before 2015,you saw other parties winning up north, anpp,CPC,apga but only pdp in ss and most parts of se...
It is the north where we see masses beating up politicians and holding them accountable unlike in the south.kano,katsina has never given apc or any buhari party over 90%...the rigging in the north does not exceed 60% of total voters but that of pdp most times exceed

garfield1:


Me and you know that the southwest is where we have a semblance of free and fair elections.opposition is strong and rigging is hard so once there is rigging by any scintilla,it will likely be upturned.the northerners are far more politically aware and sophisticated.the tend to vote different candidates and parties than the south.
The south south is the only place where no governor has ever lost election,you can imagine...rivers state gave 2 million votes in 2003 to pdp meanwhile states with more voters like kano,lagos,oyo,kaduna have neber done such.rivers is whwre am based and people hardly come out to vote its funny.ogun in 2003 gave obj 99% of the votes,this is unprecedented.
From 2003 to 2011,states like aks,anambra,abia,imo, with less than 2 million voters where churning out an average of 1.1 million votes meanwhile people hardly turnout during elections in this state.I've not been to the north but I make sure I shuffle the south during election periods.this southern states had over 70% turnout meanwhile the national average is 47%.a foreign studies once put jigawa as the state with the highest average turnout...meanwhile,only kano,katsina and Kaduna which had more voters were producing over 1 million.take a look at the 2011 presidential results to get a better view.the ss and se produced incredible and unbelievable figures compared to the north...
Again,a look at the 2015 elections will reveal the inhuman rigging in the ss and se.they allocated less than 10% of the votes to other parties in ss and se except in edo while in the nw and ne,pdp had up to 20% in most states...

Before 2015,you saw other parties winning up north, anpp,CPC,apga but only pdp in ss and most parts of se...
It is the north where we see masses beating up politicians and holding them accountable unlike in the south.kano,katsina has never given apc or any buhari party over 90%...the rigging in the north does not exceed 60% of total voters but that of pdp most times exceed

Elections are likely to be overturn does not mean rigging is hard in the SW. Like I already pointed out to you, Lagos gave OBJ and GEJ over a million votes. But same Lagos has never given Tinubu or even a hugely popular Fashola that kind of votes. If you don't realize the difference then you need to learn more about what rigging entails. Just because elections are not overturned due to rigging in the north does not mean their elections are free and fair. Underage voting is rampant there and nothing is being done to combat it. Instead, they are glorifying it.

It's not true that northerners tend to vote different candidates. Buhari has been winning a good number of northern states consistently since 2003. More importantly, in the NE and NW, there are certain states that have never been ruled by any other party other than the ANPP and its legacy parties.

Governors don't lose elections in the SS because SS is a PDP stronghold just as those northern states are ANPP strongholds. It is not just because of rigging. If it were, one of them at least would have been overturned by the courts like we had with SW. Note that the same SS has Edo who voted PDP for 8 yrs then AC for another 8yrs. So it's wrong to make such sweeping statement. SS is a PDP stronghold which was reinforced by the emergence of GEJ as VP and later president.

I also don't know why you think the PDP is not a popular party in the north. PDP is actually popular in the north. It's the Buhari factor that turned the tide against them. Even till today, I know ordinary northerners who remain hardcore PDP. This is unlike the ANPP and even AC which were virtually nonexistent in the SE and SS.

CPC, ANPP, APC are still the same party. Don't make it look like the north is voting different party when they vote ANPP/CPC and then APC. APGA won election in the north? When and where pls? I'm interested.

Like I already told you which is left to you to accept. Most of those names on the voters register in the north are either fictitious, double registration or illegal voters or aliens as we saw brazenly during the 2019 elections. The SS, SE and SW voting trends always shows apathy and interest depending on the region the leading candidates are from. But for the north, they can't even get 70% turnout yet you claim they are politically aware. Go to the north. How many of them have voters cards? They don't!! They only get ferried to polling units to collect giveaways and identify themselves based on extralegal means.

I've given you a very recent example. Online registration, the north is coming last. Let them start manual now you will see names coming up from thin air.

Rigging in the north exceeds 60%. Go and check 2003 and 2011 elections and see the percentages ANPP/CPC got in those core north states.

My point are:

1. Historically, rigging occurs in the SW. It has reduced because of the tendency of the people to not want to be fanatical about any party or candidate.

2. North has a lot of fictitious names on their voter register which is where the rigging starts there. Also, they have a lot of people who are not eligible to vote by virtue of age, nationality and possession of voters card who still vote anyway because northerners don't see anything wrong in those things as long as they are voting for the popular party. That is also besides the changing of figures during collation which occurs a lot in the north. There was a video in the 2019 election where results were being rewritten in Borno after voters had left. If it were in the south, it would have been a lot of noise but in the north it did not even raise a nod.

LLiKYekoba:


You are not the only one who can run mad, of course recent events in this country have proven that.
Ask your relatives in the police and military who are begging to be transfered out of the east.

Chestbeating as usual, we alone knows how to treat your bleeps up and humble you idiots.

Agbegbaorogboye:


Elections are likely to be overturn does not mean rigging is hard in the SW. Like I already pointed out to you, Lagos gave OBJ and GEJ over a million votes. But same Lagos has never given Tinubu or even a hugely popular Fashola that kind of votes. If you don't realize the difference then you need to learn more about what rigging entails. Just because elections are not overturned due to rigging in the north does not mean their elections are free and fair. Underage voting is rampant there and nothing is being done to combat it. Instead, they are glorifying it.

It's not true that northerners tend to vote different candidates. Buhari has been winning a good number of northern states consistently since 2003. More importantly, in the NE and NW, there are certain states that have never been ruled by any other party other than the ANPP and its legacy parties.

Governors don't lose elections in the SS because SS is a PDP stronghold just as those northern states are ANPP strongholds. It is not just because of rigging. If it were, one of them at least would have been overturned by the courts like we had with SW. Note that the same SS has Edo who voted PDP for 8 yrs then AC for another 8yrs. So it's wrong to make such sweeping statement. SS is a PDP stronghold which was reinforced by the emergence of GEJ as VP and later president.

I also don't know why you think the PDP is not a popular party in the north. PDP is actually popular in the north. It's the Buhari factor that turned the tide against them. Even till today, I know ordinary northerners who remain hardcore PDP. This is unlike the ANPP and even AC which were virtually nonexistent in the SE and SS.

CPC, ANPP, APC are still the same party. Don't make it look like the north is voting different party when they vote ANPP/CPC and then APC. APGA won election in the north? When and where pls? I'm interested.

Like I already told you which is left to you to accept. Most of those names on the voters register in the north are either fictitious, double registration or illegal voters or aliens as we saw brazenly during the 2019 elections. The SS, SE and SW voting trends always shows apathy and interest depending on the region the leading candidates are from. But for the north, they can't even get 70% turnout yet you claim they are politically aware. Go to the north. How many of them have voters cards? They don't!! They only get ferried to polling units to collect giveaways and identify themselves based on extralegal means.

I've given you a very recent example. Online registration, the north is coming last. Let them start manual now you will see names coming up from thin air.

Rigging in the north exceeds 60%. Go and check 2003 and 2011 elections and see the percentages ANPP/CPC got in those core north states.

My point are:

1. Historically, rigging occurs in the SW. It has reduced because of the tendency of the people to not want to be fanatical about any party or candidate.

2. North has a lot of fictitious names on their voter register which is where the rigging starts there. Also, they have a lot of people who are not eligible to vote by virtue of age, nationality and possession of voters card who still vote anyway because northerners don't see anything wrong in those things as long as they are voting for the popular party. That is also besides the changing of figures during collation which occurs a lot in the north. There was a video in the 2019 election where results were being rewritten in Borno after voters had left. If it were in the south, it would have been a lot of noise but in the north it did not even raise a nod.

You are trying to appropriate words for me.I never used court cancellation of elections as evidences of rigging but even if we use it,elections have been upturned more in the core north than even in ss/se.I think the first court cancellation of elections took place up north.

I already told you that fictitious names on voters register are also rampant in the south and I used my village as a case study.there is a village in odukpani lga of crs in 2011 whose figure was also inflated,atan onoyom.I was an eyewitness to that one also.while the north use foreigners and underage voters,we in the south employ multiple multiple thumb printing,use of palmkernels to vote.analysis of rivers and akwa ibom votes in 2015 also revealed non humanfinger prints...in essence,both regions rig indiscriminately.so we arw in agreement there.
Let me also agree that the is apathy up north.so how do we decide who rigs more? Thank goodness you uses 2003 and 2011 stats.look at those stats again,ss and se turnout was 70% while north was 60.even percentage vote in ss and se was higher than in the north.so in summary,the ss and se rig more. If you disagree, let us post the2003 and 2011 results and see who is wrong

garfield1:


You are trying to appropriate words for me.I never used court cancellation of elections as evidences of rigging but even if we use it,elections have been upturned more in the core north than even in ss/se.I think the first court cancellation of elections took place up north.

I already told you that fictitious names on voters register are also rampant in the south and I used my village as a case study.there is a village in odukpani lga of crs in 2011 whose figure was also inflated,atan onoyom.I was an eyewitness to that one also.while the north use foreigners and underage voters,we in the south employ multiple multiple thumb printing,use of palmkernels to vote.analysis of rivers and akwa ibom votes in 2015 also revealed non humanfinger prints...in essence,both regions rig indiscriminately.so we arw in agreement there.
Let me also agree that the is apathy up north.so how do we decide who rigs more? Thank goodness you uses 2003 and 2011 stats.look at those stats again,ss and se turnout was 70% while north was 60.even percentage vote in ss and se was higher than in the north.so in summary,the ss and se rig more. If you disagree, let us post the2003 and 2011 results and see who is wrong

The SS/SE has you put it has had at least two governors removed for electoral malpractice while the core north has none. So it's not true that the north has had elections upturned for malpractice more than the SS/SE.

Good you are now coming around to my point that election inflations occur in the north. Now you ask how to know who rigs more. Very simple. How do you inflate votes? By having an inflated voter register. But remember your voter register cannot exceed the figures given by NPC as the population of your state. That's why you see the north inflating population figures.

The shenanigan started in the early 1970s when state creation started. That's when the north realized the importance of higher population. It's from there the rigging of voter register and voter inflation starts. So who inflates population figures more? The north or south? The answer will give you the pointer of who rigs more.

If you use only 2003 and 2011, you will be discountenancing the incumbency factor. It's common that the region that has the sitting president usually experiences higher voter turnout during elections. 2003 and 2011 was a southerner so you can expect that. Go and look at 2019 and see how almost all the states in the north where Buhari was popular beat all their previous voter turnout in previous elections. Yet the total turnout was less overall than previous elections.

Even areas where he was not popular, he still had a very strong showing. You can make something of that in terms of voter suppression and votes inflation.
So if you look at it holistically, you see that the north have already rigged systematically by their bogus population figures.

That's a problem we have with representation in the House of Reps. In the US where we copied from, House of reps congress is decided by population of districts. In Nigeria, we adopted same and added landmass. What does landmass have to do with representation. That bogus idea is because it is known that the south is more populated than the north. So if you use strictly population, anytime we have a credible census, the House of Reps will end up having more seats from the south than the north.

Agbegbaorogboye:


The SS/SE has you put it has had at least two governors removed for electoral malpractice while the core north has none. So it's not true that the north has had elections upturned for malpractice more than the SS/SE.

Good you are now coming around to my point that election inflations occur in the north. Now you ask how to know who rigs more. Very simple. How do you inflate votes? By having an inflated voter register. But remember your voter register cannot exceed the figures given by NPC as the population of your state. That's why you see the north inflating population figures.

The shenanigan started in the early 1970s when state creation started. That's when the north realized the importance of higher population. It's from there the rigging of voter register and voter inflation starts. So who inflates population figures more? The north or south? The answer will give you the pointer of who rigs more.

If you use only 2003 and 2011, you will be discountenancing the incumbency factor. It's common that the region that has the sitting president usually experiences higher voter turnout during elections. 2003 and 2011 was a southerner so you can expect that. Go and look at 2019 and see how almost all the states in the north where Buhari was popular beat all their previous voter turnout in previous elections. Yet the total turnout was less overall than previous elections.

Even areas where he was not popular, he still had a very strong showing. You can make something of that in terms of voter suppression and votes inflation.
So if you look at it holistically, you see that the north have already rigged systematically by their bogus population figures.

That's a problem we have with representation in the House of Reps. In the US where we copied from, House of reps congress is decided by population of districts. In Nigeria, we adopted same and added landmass. What does landmass have to do with representation. That bogus idea is because it is known that the south is more populated than the north. So if you use strictly population, anytime we have a credible census, the House of Reps will end up having more seats from the south than the north.

You are dragging us backwards.just as the north and south rigs elections,the north and south also rig census figures.even when the British were here,the north still had more population.they allocated more legislative seats to the north than others...awarenesses about inflating population started in the first census figures in after independence...virtually every village inflates population.but that is a topic for another day.....

The crux of the matter is who Rigs more.you already conceded that the south rigged more in 2003-2011 and brought incumbency as an excuse.buhari had 7.1 mil votes in northwest in 2015 and 2019 had 5.8 million.he had 3.1 million in north east and in 2019 and 2.9 million there in. 2015,he got 1.9 million in kano but got 1.4 million there in 2019.he got 600k in 2015 in zamfara but got 500k there in 2019.he got 1.3 million in katsina in 2015 and 1.2 million in 2019.in jigawa,kaduna,kebbi,sokoto,bauchi,his votes reduced compared to that of 2015.his votes in borno increased to 800k in 2019 but this was less than the 1 million he got there in 2003.

Overall,incumbency by apc did not increase votes in their areas and turnout was lower.the north has never reached the level of rigging by the south.stats do not lie.kano is still behind the 2 mil record set by rivers,it could have matched it in 2019.let us end it here

garfield1:


You are dragging us backwards.just as the north and south rigs elections,the north and south also rig census figures.even when the British were here,the north still had more population.they allocated more legislative seats to the north than others...awarenesses about inflating population started in the first census figures in after independence...virtually every village inflates population.but that is a topic for another day.....

The crux of the matter is who Rigs more.you already conceded that the south rigged more in 2003-2011 and brought incumbency as an excuse.buhari had 7.1 mil votes in northwest in 2015 and 2019 had 5.8 million.he had 3.1 million in north east and in 2019 and 2.9 million there in. 2015,he got 1.9 million in kano but got 1.4 million there in 2019.he got 600k in 2015 in zamfara but got 500k there in 2019.he got 1.3 million in katsina in 2015 and 1.2 million in 2019.in jigawa,kaduna,kebbi,sokoto,bauchi,his votes reduced compared to that of 2015.his votes in borno increased to 800k in 2019 but this was less than the 1 million he got there in 2003.

Overall,incumbency by apc did not increase votes in their areas and turnout was lower.the north has never reached the level of rigging by the south.stats do not lie.kano is still behind the 2 mil record set by rivers,it could have matched it in 2019.let us end it here

Bros stop mixing lies with your debate. The south had more seats than the North and more population too in the 1959 elections. Go check it. It's because the south was divided into South West and South East and the North was monolithic that the North seemed to have more. If you add SW and SE seats together, it was more than that of the North.
You are mixing up your figures. I already gave you an example of Lagos for incumbents. In 2003 and 2011, Lagos gave both OBJ and GEJ over 1m votes. But Buhari has never gotten something close to that there.
So what about rivers whose total voter turnout in 2019 was less than 1m? You still don't get what I'm telling you. Most of your figures are not true anyway

Good

Agbegbaorogboye:


Bros stop mixing lies with your debate. The south had more seats than the North and more population too in the 1959 elections. Go check it. It's because the south was divided into South West and South East and the North was monolithic that the North seemed to have more. If you add SW and SE seats together, it was more than that of the North.
You are mixing up your figures. I already gave you an example of Lagos for incumbents. In 2003 and 2011, Lagos gave both OBJ and GEJ over 1m votes. But Buhari has never gotten something close to that there.
So what about rivers whose total voter turnout in 2019 was less than 1m? You still don't get what I'm telling you. Most of your figures are not true anyway

Oga,majority of census conducted by British and even nigeria puts the north higher.since you alleged that the south had more population in 1959,please kindly drop the stats abi screenshot...

As usual,you have stubbornly refused to accept intellectual defeat when it is clear.you claimed 2003 to 2011 census will prove you right but it didn't.you shifted to 2019 and you still failed.you are now claiming that most of my figures are not true without specific details.what is untrue about rivers polling 2 million in 2003 or buhari having 1.9 million in kano? Which one? The fact remains that the north has never inflated or produced the kind of figures the ss/se produced.it is unprecedented.the ss/se gave a particular candidate 12 million in 2003 while the highest the nw/ne gave was 10 million in 2015.Stop grasping at straws jor.give up

I hate to be a mood killer but just have to set the record straight.

1. The north is not in panic mode over the so called southern meeting, the north knows that nothing will come out of it. Yoruba and Igbo regions are looking for two different things out of Nigeria.

2. The so called southern governors are late to the party, no one in the north is saying it's not the turn of the south.

3. Igbos will back a Fulani candidate just as they have always done in the past as soon as their schemes to bring their own candidate fail.

4. To my Yoruba who may fall for this cheap blackmail trap Igbos are setting to blame you for why southern collusion didn't work and the reason Igbos are voting for Fulani again in 2023. Know that Igbos don't vote and have never voted for a Yoruba candidate in the history of Nigeria and won't start today, they just want to take advantage of you and use you to get to where they are going since the north has rejected them. This is all to get the north to come back to a negotiating table with them. Stop being a pawn.

5. Lastly, Yoruba's candidate is Tinubu, a real Yoruba who has seen it all and knows the road well. A man who has been there done it all, a true leader. No puppet or an ATOUNRIWA with divided loyalty and stamped with Yoruba name will use Yoruba's slot. The book of favor done and owed says we can count on northern votes in return for what we did for Buhari. Let's wait and see.

garfield1:


Oga,majority of census conducted by British and even nigeria puts the north higher.since you alleged that the south had more population in 1959,please kindly drop the stats abi screenshot...

As usual,you have stubbornly refused to accept intellectual defeat when it is clear.you claimed 2003 to 2011 census will prove you right but it didn't.you shifted to 2019 and you still failed.you are now claiming that most of my figures are not true without specific details.what is untrue about rivers polling 2 million in 2003 or buhari having 1.9 million in kano? Which one? The fact remains that the north has never inflated or produced the kind of figures the ss/se produced.it is unprecedented.the ss/se gave a particular candidate 12 million in 2003 while the highest the nw/ne gave was 10 million in 2015.Stop grasping at straws jor.give up

These are the results of the 1959 elections.
I hope you can dissect it properly or you need me to do that for you. You can also see the votes from each region there and you'll clearly see that NPC had the least votes of the major three parties. If you add ncnc and ag votes, it almost doubles that of NPC.
Again, you didn't defeat me anything. Your problem is selectively choosing data that buttresses your point while overlooking all others. 1959 elections was conducted by the colonialists. 1993 elections was adjudged the fairest we ever had. Go look at the figures of the two. Instead of harping about rivers producing 2million votes which was obviously done to counter the northern votes, you should ask yourself why the most credible elections present fewer votes from the North while the most bogus gives them consistently higher votes.
I'll produce the correct figures for the 2003, 2011 and 2019 elections for you soon. But at least the most credible elections we've ever had which are 1959 and 1993 elections clearly support my claims.
It's only that you've chosen to be wilfully blind to that fact.

DCatt:
I hate to be a mood killer but just have to set the record straight.

1. The north is not in panic mode over the so called southern meeting, the north knows that nothing will come out of it. Yoruba and Igbo regions are looking for two different things out of Nigeria.

2. The so called southern governors are late to the party, no one in the north is saying it's not the turn of the south.

3. Igbos will back a Fulani candidate just as they have always done in the past as soon as their schemes to bring their own candidate fail.

4. To my Yoruba who may fall for this cheap blackmail trap Igbos are setting to blame you for why southern collusion didn't work and the reason Igbos are voting for Fulani again in 2023. Know that Igbos don't vote and have never voted for a Yoruba candidate in the history of Nigeria and won't start today, they just want to take advantage of you and use you to get to where they are going since the north has rejected them. This is all to get the north to come back to a negotiating table with them. Stop being a pawn.

5. Lastly, Yoruba's candidate is Tinubu, a real Yoruba who has seen it all and knows the road well. A man who has been there done it all, a true leader. No puppet or an ATOUNRIWA with divided loyalty and stamped with Yoruba name will use Yoruba's slot. The book of favor done and owed says we can count on northern votes in return for what we did for Buhari. Let's wait and see.

Sir, let me call your attention to a proverb that says if you see an elder running, he's either chasing something, or something is chasing him. You seem so sure that the North are not interested in holding on to power beyond 2023 and I think your confidence is in the northern governors who have been coming out to say they support power shift.
But you should know that 17 governors can't just be rabble-rousing. More importantly, the move for southern governors was initiated by a Yoruba governor from ondo state. If you know Akeredolu, you'll know he's not someone who just does frivolous things. Also note, the meeting where the governors officially asked for power shift was held in Lagos, home of Tinubu and with much state sponsored fanfare too. If you can't read between the lines, that it was done after Buhari declared that no one can sit in Lagos and decide zoning, and after the APC registration was re-done with the obvious intent of shifting its numbers in favour of the North, then I think you should look at things again.
2023 is not an igbo Vs Yoruba affair. Let me tell you plainly, it's North Vs South affair. The earlier you realise the Igbo are not the main stumbling block to Yoruba 2023 aspiration, the better for you.

Agbegbaorogboye:

These are the results of the 1959 elections.
I hope you can dissect it properly or you need me to do that for you. You can also see the votes from each region there and you'll clearly see that NPC had the least votes of the major three parties. If you add ncnc and ag votes, it almost doubles that of NPC.
Again, you didn't defeat me anything. Your problem is selectively choosing data that buttresses your point while overlooking all others. 1959 elections was conducted by the colonialists. 1993 elections was adjudged the fairest we ever had. Go look at the figures of the two. Instead of harping about rivers producing 2million votes which was obviously done to counter the northern votes, you should ask yourself why the most credible elections present fewer votes from the North while the most bogus gives them consistently higher votes.
I'll produce the correct figures for the 2003, 2011 and 2019 elections for you soon. But at least the most credible elections we've ever had which are 1959 and 1993 elections clearly support my claims.
It's only that you've chosen to be wilfully blind to that fact.

A major reason why the NPC had fewer votes was because they concentrated in the north and had little or no interest in the south.contrary to your earlier statement,the northern region had 174 seats out of 312 meanwhile you claimed that the south had more seats.

You claimed 1999 and 1959 elections were the best.it means there was little or no rigging.how does that help your cause? We are talking about the most rigged States or inflates states so we analysed the most rigged elections to arrive at that.in data analysis and statistics,the highest numbers or predominant figures wins so if we assume that 1959 and 1993 proved your point of northern rigging,2003,2007,2011 and even 2015 proved my points of southern rigging.you produced two examples,I produced 4 so I win you...its that simple.when the country was in a rigging galore,the south inflated figures more.therefore,the south(ss and se)...

garfield1:


A major reason why the NPC had fewer votes was because they concentrated in the north and had little or no interest in the south.contrary to your earlier statement,the northern region had 174 seats out of 312 meanwhile you claimed that the south had more seats.

You claimed 1999 and 1959 elections were the best.it means there was little or no rigging.how does that help your cause? We are talking about the most rigged States or inflates states so we analysed the most rigged elections to arrive at that.in data analysis and statistics,the highest numbers or predominant figures wins so if we assume that 1959 and 1993 proved your point of northern rigging,2003,2007,2011 and even 2015 proved my points of southern rigging.you produced two examples,I produced 4 so I win you...its that simple.when the country was in a rigging galore,the south inflated figures more.therefore,the south(ss and se)...

Oga, your lies don dey tire me o. Where did you see 174 seats in the screenshot. The NPC got 134 seats bros while the south had 154 seats. I put screenshot there and you still refused to look at it. Na wa o. NCNC had over 2m votes. AG 1.99m while NPC had 1.92m. That your claim is also a lie. Apart from NCNC, both AG and NPC concentrated in their respective regions. And NPC was the dominant party in the north. NCNC had more influence in SW and SE than the north so the votes are not as mixed as you seek to paint it.
Now, see how you looked at the whole matter from a very strange angle. Have you thought about the fact that if a region has less votes when elections are fair and then during rigged elections, it suddenly has more votes than the other regions, how can you say that region has rigged less than others that ordinarily have more votes than it. That's very illogical.

Agbegbaorogboye:

Oga, your lies don dey tire me o. Where did you see 174 seats in the screenshot. The NPC got 134 seats bros while the south had 154 seats. I put screenshot there and you still refused to look at it. Na wa o. NCNC had over 2m votes. AG 1.99m while NPC had 1.92m. That your claim is also a lie. Apart from NCNC, both AG and NPC concentrated in their respective regions. And NPC was the dominant party in the north. NCNC had more influence in SW and SE than the north so the votes are not as mixed as you seek to paint it.
Now, see how you looked at the whole matter from a very strange angle. Have you thought about the fact that if a region has less votes when elections are fair and then during rigged elections, it suddenly has more votes than the other regions, how can you say that region has rigged less than others that ordinarily have more votes than it. That's very illogical.

You are the liar here spreading illogical datas and tales.you dropped a screenshot which I carefully scrutinized but you refused to look at mine that is why you lost your way.your table is incomplete,it only has the total votes by parties and votes.it doesn't have the total seats and votes polled by each party in all the zones.it doesn't even have the total number of seats available in each region.mine does.

If you carefully look at the table I posted,you will see that NPC only won seats in the north alone.the ag won 25 seats in the north,less than 20 in the eastern region.the ncnc won 11 seats in the north and a combination of other parties like the igala and igbira union won 5 seats totalling 174 seats available in the north.you erroneously believed that they arw only 134 seats in the north which the NPC won...

Voter turnout in the 1993 elections was 37% yet balloned to 69%in 2003 and turnout in ss and se was over 70% yet never exceeded 60% in the north.even though the south had about 400k more votes in the 1993 polls,the nw and ne had 4.5 million votes while the ss and se produced 4 million votes which is consistent with my facts.but the ss and se now leapfrogged the nw and ne from 2003.how do you explain that? No matter what you bring,the facta won't change.the ss are my people,I know what we can do.leave this matter...


Finally, my argument was never about a north to south dichotomy on rigging but ne/nw vs se/ss.as you can see,I never mentioned the north central.whenever I mentioned the south west,I said they were the zone with the best elections.I will now add the north central as the second best.so remove the south west from your 1993 and 1959 analysis.it is only when you want to mention the total parliamentary seats in 1959 that you can add them which even the north has more.

Once the again,ss and se leads in rigging followed by nw and ne