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Re: Jehovah Witnesses And Dinosaurs - 10 Silly Claims They Have Made by Emusan(m): 10:33am On Jul 28, 2021 |
Nezero: Just say you can't provide answers to my questions. I say one thing and you attack another. No! I started with you on your claim that watchtower didn't claim to be inspired, which I've provided more than three quotes from different years showing they actually CLAIMED TO BE INSPIRED. Much of what you say makes no sense. Running around with a 1930s publications and expecting me to explain it to you. It won't make sense because you can see through the glass of lies you're propagating. Is it my question about what is the difference between DIVINE INSPIRATION and to be GUIDED, DIRECTED, AND HELPED that doesn't make sense? Why don't you go back to the 1930s to challenge the editor. I would reply you, but I would rather talk to someone who can actually reason. But you can go back to the 1st century. I understand you completely And the good thing is, such people can compare your arguments with my response and figure things out for themselves. Very well! But in the mean time, you agreed that those 8 men are GUIDED... So don't forget to answer my question on that. |
Re: Jehovah Witnesses And Dinosaurs - 10 Silly Claims They Have Made by Emusan(m): 10:37am On Jul 28, 2021 |
dappa71: @Highlighted -- can you also tell us the name of the CHURCH Peter, Paul, Matthew and co attended? I understand your painment, just chill and stay behind your keyboard and watch. You even have another ACCOUNT 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah Witnesses And Dinosaurs - 10 Silly Claims They Have Made by rottennaija(m): 10:40am On Jul 28, 2021 |
Emusan:He is talking about the editors who claimed were God's channel of communication and who today's editor also claimed were God's channel of communication. I once asked a circuit overseer what's the difference between being God's channel of communication and being inspired. He was just looking at me...Nezero post=104166241: So maybe you can answer. What's the difference between being God's channel of communication and being inspired? 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah Witnesses And Dinosaurs - 10 Silly Claims They Have Made by rottennaija(m): 10:56am On Jul 28, 2021 |
dappa71:None of what you put up here provides a legitimate counter argument. It's simply just another appeal to emotion. Emusan ask valid questions regarding the claims made by your religion. Today they claimed to be guided by God's spirit in their believes. It was the same claim made in the 1930s. Yet, when you compare their believes then and today, it is unthinkable that a group guided by God's spirit to reach those conclusions and beliefs would discard them today. Which begs the question, who really were the sources of this believes? Was it God, who cannot lie and his spirit would not lead people to errors or was it men who came up with doctrines and cover them with the cloud of divine guidance so that it would be accepted without resistance? The implications of these are far reaching. If what had believed by the JWs of that time can be discarded in the excuse of New light, its evident it had no divine guidance, what assurances do you have that the believes you hold so dear today will not be discarded in the future? To get answers, it requires critical thinking which Emusan is trying stir in Nezero mind. This is the crux of the matter, this is what Emusan is trying to get across. But you come along, content with lack of critical thinking ability and want Nezero to continue in the same direction. You don't want him to ask the questions Emusan is asking, and you don't want him to get the answers still. 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah Witnesses And Dinosaurs - 10 Silly Claims They Have Made by Emusan(m): 11:02am On Jul 28, 2021 |
rottennaija: The tactics is they know the truth but they must defend watchtower by all cost. How can an educated person say DIVINE INSPIRATION is different GUIDANCE? That's why I asked him, what does it mean to be GUIDED? The word DIVINE according to marriam-dictionary: a: of, relating to, or proceeding directly from God (see GOD entry 1 sense 1) or a god (see GOD entry 1 sense 2) Now compare this with different claim of watchtower below 1. Under the guidance of his holy 2. holy spirit helps responsible representatives of the faithful and discreet slave 3. "Third, holy spirit is at work in bringing Bible truths to light." 4. Jehovah's organization alone, in all the earth, is directed by God's holy spirit 5. "faithful and discreet slave" guided by Jehovah's unerring spirit 6. "The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower. God feeds his own people" 7. And many more! I don't know how someone will read something like this and still claimed they never claimed to be INPSIRED. 2 Likes |
Re: Jehovah Witnesses And Dinosaurs - 10 Silly Claims They Have Made by rottennaija(m): 11:28am On Jul 28, 2021 |
Emusan: In the face of repeated failures, they have to deny, deflect, minimise and even pretend. Some of these are done subconscious, because they cannot face the reality that they could be wrong. I was discussing with a jw lady some months ago, we spoke over different subjects. I asked her, what if you are wrong? I admitted several that I could be wrong and if I'm wrong, it's end game for me. However, what if you are wrong? She never, could not entertain the idea she could be wrong. 2 Likes |
Re: Jehovah Witnesses And Dinosaurs - 10 Silly Claims They Have Made by Jung(m): 12:35pm On Jul 28, 2021 |
rottennaija: But bro, to be very honest, wetin these people do you actually? Why go to such great lengths to discredit them? Is there something you aren't telling us? What happened to the many other religions collecting money upandan and misleading people.. why aren't you dedicating the same energy to them? I really want to know. 4 Likes |
Re: Jehovah Witnesses And Dinosaurs - 10 Silly Claims They Have Made by Nezero(m): 12:52pm On Jul 28, 2021 |
[quote author=rottennaija post=104176531] None of what you put up here provides a legitimate counter argument Says you, the judge. If you ask a question and I answer it, is it not innane to keep asking the same question I already addressed? What's my business with counter argument? . It's simply just another appeal to emotion. Emusan ask valid questions regarding the claims made by your religion. Today they claimed to be guided by God's spirit in their believes. It was the same claim made in the 1930s. Yet, when you compare their believes then and today, it is unthinkable that a group guided by God's spirit to reach those conclusions and beliefs would discard them today.Practising birthdays and Christmas were ideas carried over from Christendom. When you find out a belief is wrong, you discard it. When it was time for the Israelites to stop offering animal sacrifices, the Christian's among them stopped. It is an actual proof that they have God's holy spirit Which begs the question, who really were the sources of this believes? Was it God, who cannot lie and his spirit would not lead people to errors or was it men who came up with doctrines and cover them with the cloud of divine guidance so that it would be accepted without resistance?Irrelevant. The information in the old testament and the new testament shows that God expects his people to apply new information The implications of these are far reaching. If what had believed by the JWs of that time can be discarded in the excuse of New light, its evident it had no divine guidance, what assurances do you have that the believes you hold so dear today will not be discarded in the future?Don't be confused. No one mentioned new light. You can confuse yourself if you want. No one is talking about new light. We simply know that God reveals the truth gradually and refusing to accept it means you don't want to be saved. It's not compulsory. To get answers, it requires critical thinking which Emusan is trying stir in Nezero mind. This is the crux of the matter, this is what Emusan is trying to get across.To get answers you should rely on the Bible. What you call 'critical thinking' may very well be without merit. But you come along, content with lack of critical thinking ability and want Nezero to continue in the same direction. You don't want him to ask the questions Emusan is asking, and you don't want him to get the answers still.In the end everyone will be responsible for what he chooses to believe. Each one will carry his own load. |
Re: Jehovah Witnesses And Dinosaurs - 10 Silly Claims They Have Made by rottennaija(m): 12:52pm On Jul 28, 2021 |
Jung: They is no credibility, so nothing to discredit. For a religion that in its 130 years of existence has dedicating its time to criticising every other religion to the exclusion of their own? They should be able to handle criticism. Besides, they have the work of discrediting other religion, they have been doing it for more than 13 decades, I don't need to assist them. My work is to subject their beliefs and policies under intense scrutiny. 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah Witnesses And Dinosaurs - 10 Silly Claims They Have Made by rottennaija(m): 12:55pm On Jul 28, 2021 |
[quote author=Nezero post=104180026][/quote] How about the worship and praying to Jesus? Was that also carried from christendom? Is Jehovah's Witnesses not christendom? 2 Likes |
Re: Jehovah Witnesses And Dinosaurs - 10 Silly Claims They Have Made by Nezero(m): 12:56pm On Jul 28, 2021 |
rottennaija: Well no one is infallible. Many Jews were stumbled because Jesus did not look like the Messiah they were expecting. Some chose to follow him, some chose to work against him. You will be responsible for your own choice alone |
Re: Jehovah Witnesses And Dinosaurs - 10 Silly Claims They Have Made by rottennaija(m): 12:57pm On Jul 28, 2021 |
Nezero: And you think the churches are infallible too? 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah Witnesses And Dinosaurs - 10 Silly Claims They Have Made by Nezero(m): 12:58pm On Jul 28, 2021 |
rottennaija: Have fun doing that |
Re: Jehovah Witnesses And Dinosaurs - 10 Silly Claims They Have Made by Nezero(m): 1:00pm On Jul 28, 2021 |
Emusan: And many more... And many more what? Why don't you put a direct link to your quotes so one can know if you fabricated them or conjured them in your 'critical thinking' mind. |
Re: Jehovah Witnesses And Dinosaurs - 10 Silly Claims They Have Made by Nezero(m): 1:02pm On Jul 28, 2021 |
rottennaija: It's a simple matter of grammar. I guess he is tired of you going in circles. I've met many people like you. Not surprised |
Re: Jehovah Witnesses And Dinosaurs - 10 Silly Claims They Have Made by Nezero(m): 1:10pm On Jul 28, 2021 |
[quote author=Emusan post=104175837] Just say you can't provide answers to my questions. I already did. Put your questions in a list. I can direct you to Bible verses that answer them. No! I started with you on your claim that watchtower didn't claim to be inspired, which I've provided more than three quotes from different years showing they actually CLAIMED TO BE INSPIRED. The quotes did not say anything like that. Maybe you should look further. It won't make sense because you can see through the glass of lies you're propagating. Lies? Like what and what? Is it my question about what is the difference between DIVINE INSPIRATION and to be GUIDED, DIRECTED, AND HELPED that doesn't make sense?Just borrow a dictionary and flip through. It's simple English. You can do it. Just try. But you can go back to the 1st century.Of course, the Bible is the true word of God. I doubt if you believe in it. But we all have free will, so .. your choice I understand you completelyso why are you feigning ignorance? You think that's funny? Shior Very well! But in the mean time, you agreed that those 8 men are GUIDED...Which eight men? So don't forget to answer my question on that.Look in the dictionary, read the Bible, your problem is not a serious one. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Jehovah Witnesses And Dinosaurs - 10 Silly Claims They Have Made by Nezero(m): 1:13pm On Jul 28, 2021 |
rottennaija: You are welcome to do that. Visit www.jw.org for more of our beliefs. Enjoy 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah Witnesses And Dinosaurs - 10 Silly Claims They Have Made by rottennaija(m): 1:19pm On Jul 28, 2021 |
Nezero:Yes. Then compare what you read on it with www.jwfacts.com Some interesting articles below 2 Likes 1 Share
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Re: Jehovah Witnesses And Dinosaurs - 10 Silly Claims They Have Made by AgentMiah: 1:28pm On Jul 28, 2021 |
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Re: Jehovah Witnesses And Dinosaurs - 10 Silly Claims They Have Made by AgentMiah: 1:44pm On Jul 28, 2021 |
Nezero: My brother leave this people. They know why they could not remain in the truth. Use your energy for people who are rightly disposed. If you allow them, they are more than willing to drag you along. You know what I mean. 3 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Jehovah Witnesses And Dinosaurs - 10 Silly Claims They Have Made by Jung(m): 4:56pm On Jul 28, 2021 |
Would really like to have a chat with you someday face to face bro @rottennaija, so we could rub minds. I think there is more than meets the eye. No one wakes up and picks a target and dedicates so much time watching videos and finding proof like you're doing without a reason. You down? I'm in Lagos. |
Re: Jehovah Witnesses And Dinosaurs - 10 Silly Claims They Have Made by Emusan(m): 8:41am On Jul 29, 2021 |
Nezero: My first post attached the name and year of publications. Now you think I fabricated those post but check my first post on that. Besides, it's evident those quotes are prove of DIVINE INSPIRATION. And more and more of watchtower claiming to be INSPIRED. |
Re: Jehovah Witnesses And Dinosaurs - 10 Silly Claims They Have Made by Emusan(m): 9:09am On Jul 29, 2021 |
Nezero: You didn't! You check them on my previous post. You want to provide Bible verses to where you lied that Watchtower never claimed to be INPSIRED. The quotes did not say anything like that. Maybe you should look further. Devil is a liar and father of it ALL. this is your FIRST POST on the opening page which I replied to. "They do not claim to be inspired, they simply believe in the Bible and look for answers therein." by Nezero So how come you're now claiming the post did not say anything like that. Lies? Like what and what? That "They do not claim to be inspired, they simply believe in the Bible and look for answers therein." By Nezero Just borrow a dictionary and flip through. It's simple English. You can do it. Just try. I've used dictionary in my post above, so do you agreed that DIVINE INSPIRATION is no different from JEHOVAH GUIDANCE, HELP, BIBLICAL INTERPRETATION? Of course, the Bible is the true word of God. I doubt if you believe in it. But we all have free will, so .. your choice I believe in the Word of God the Holy Bible. Now, if Bible is the word of God and watchtower claimed ALL THEIR PUBLICATIONS ARE THE SAME PRODUCTS of the UNERRING SPIRIT who made Bible to be the Word of God. Should there be any PUBLICATIONS consider to be TOO OLD and DISCARDED? so why are you feigning ignorance? You think that's funny? Shior Very funny to see a educated person claiming DIVINE INSPIRATION is different from BEING GUIDED BY JEHOVAH, HOLY SPIRIT, JESUS just to cover up lies. Which eight men? Don't you know your GB again? Look in the dictionary, read the Bible, your problem is not a serious one. I always do and that's why I can differentiate from the lies of your organization from the truth of the Holy scripture. Do you? |
Re: Jehovah Witnesses And Dinosaurs - 10 Silly Claims They Have Made by true2god: 10:49am On Jul 29, 2021 |
Emusan:Thank you EMUSAN! 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah Witnesses And Dinosaurs - 10 Silly Claims They Have Made by true2god: 10:52am On Jul 29, 2021 |
Emusan:God bless you Emusan. 1 Like |
Re: Jehovah Witnesses And Dinosaurs - 10 Silly Claims They Have Made by rottennaija(m): 3:59pm On Jul 29, 2021 |
Jung: Sorry I couldn't respond since yesterday. I'm not based in Lagos, so it's not practical for a one and one meeting. Voice calls or video would be an option but as you may have observed, I value the facelessness nairaland offer. That's being said, we can still discuss here. It may take many chats, but we can get to arrive at the reasons why. Not that I have not stated them here before as I had been asked a version of this question, but I won't mind responding to you. |
Re: Jehovah Witnesses And Dinosaurs - 10 Silly Claims They Have Made by joyandfaith: 7:14am On Oct 03, 2021 |
rottennaija: You can only spread propaganda in a faceless forum. 6 year old JW will even laugh at your reasoning during face-face discussion. I just dey pass anyway. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Jehovah Witnesses And Dinosaurs - 10 Silly Claims They Have Made by rottennaija(m): 8:02am On Oct 03, 2021 |
joyandfaith: Do I need to respond to these? For your information, I discuss with JWs daily. That's one of the pecks of fading and making sure I'm not disfellowshipped, and you know what? There are not 6 year old (which you know is an unnecessary exaggeration) and we do have good discussions and no, they don't laugh and yes, they eventually, they will say, we can talk about anything and everything but religious discussions. And no, I don't do propaganda. I post fact, figures, things the JWs don't know or don't want to see. |
Re: Jehovah Witnesses And Dinosaurs - 10 Silly Claims They Have Made by joyandfaith: 9:14am On Oct 03, 2021 |
rottennaija: Double life spotted. Hypocrisy. |
Re: Jehovah Witnesses And Dinosaurs - 10 Silly Claims They Have Made by rottennaija(m): 9:39am On Oct 03, 2021 |
joyandfaith: Wetin concern me? I ended things on my own terms no on watchtowers' |
Re: Jehovah Witnesses And Dinosaurs - 10 Silly Claims They Have Made by achorladey: 10:03am On Oct 03, 2021 |
Auskyd: Get a life bro.. Auskyd The one he has now and he is using to do what he likes no be you give am. That he has chosen to create a topic on nairaland to you means he his jobless and the airtime he used for typing and creating this thread and the platform given to him by nairaland are not of your doing |
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