jellea:
how old are you please? ogane means the great one. im not here for banter stop bringing these yoruba corrupted histories.

samuk:
Benin artefact depiction of Igala messager and example of Igala depiction of themselves.

Yoruba took advantage of their early Western education and try to rewrite Benin history in their favour.

First image is a Benin artefact of Igala messenger.

Second and third images are Igala artefacts.

Until 1897, Benin had no connection with Ife in Osun state. Benin/Ife connection is a fairytale with no evidence.

Balogunodua:


Samuel my guy....do want me around

TAO11:

and if so, how is the ooni not the great one when the benin call him oghene as you see in their dictionaries?

see file-1 for edo dictionary by agheyisi (1986) & file-2 for bini dictionary by melzian (1937).

jellea:
All these you are bringing here is a revision done in later centuries. Do you think you I have time for these local games you are playing. Grow up

TAO11:

the 2 dictionaries are edo dictionaries. (wait, process that for a moment before you continue reading).

also, the map is from the 1500s. what is earlier? 😂

jellea:

yoruba the batrayals. i am ashamed of you guys. i dont have any issue with any individual, but you guys are one of the biggest problem in africa for the roles you played in aiding british and portuguese.

you conquered igodomidogo, an igbo civilization and imposed your own son to the throne. now you are using that same bloodline to write edo dictionary. like wtf do you take me for? do you think im a kid? what is a edo? what is edo language? you guys are very shameless .,

TAO11:

I understand your point of view.

I didn’t conquer Benin kingdom, it was my Yoruba ancestors who conquered Benin kingdom & the igbos near there.

So stop blaming me for what my ancestors did.

jellea:
Incase you misunderstood me. I'm only referring to the rewriting off historic information in the late 19th century by Yoruba historians.

And you saying I should not blame you, while all you do is propagating the lies. I'm very sure that you are being sponsored to do this.

You know I'm an igbo, and I'm much more smart than you think. I know what you guys can do.

There is a reason Igbos call you betrayals and Hausa calls you Y.A.R.I.B.A, meaning the same thing. It's left for everyone to dig your history properly all the way from Mali.

TAO11:

My ancestors from Ife conquered Benin around 12th century — you already said you know this.

So what did they re-write? Did they say they didn’t conquer Benin? They didn’t deny it nau. They admit it.

Edo dictionaries admits it. The map drawn in the 16th century also show it. So what are you really saying?

None of these was written/drawn by Yorubas. So leave Yorubas out of this.

Igbo call us betrayals? lmao 😂 Why? We agreed that we will let you destroy our land.

Then we later stopped you at Ore, dealt with you and didn’t allow you destroy our land. We’re betrayals. 😂

Y.A.R.I.B.A?? 😅 Hausas say that word does not exist in their language.

Check a Hausa dictionary, or if you are illiterate, then ask any Hausa around you.

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jellea:
yoruba is from Mali

you did not conquer Edo but IDU. and the name of the kingdom is igodomigodo. and the way you conquered it is not really through war per say but through deceit. you impreganted igbo girl who was the child of the ogiso.. thats was the pretense. your whole extistence lies in decet.

yes yorubas rewrote history from 19th century. thats our topic here. Portuguese docs made mention of spiritual leader EAST of benin and in the later versions of the book, this is was rewritten by Yoruba to mean ife. even ife was an igbo town as well. ododuwa himself said he met them there. why do you have igbo house in ile ife?

TAO11:

My ancestors from Ife conquered Benin around 12th century — you already said you know this.

So what did they re-write? Did they say they didn’t conquer Benin? They didn’t deny it nau. They admit it.

Edo dictionaries admits it. The map drawn in the 16th century also show it. So what are you really saying?

None of these was written/drawn by Yorubas. So leave Yorubas out of this.

Igbo call us betrayals? lmao 😂 Why? We agreed that we will let you destroy our land.

Then we later stopped you at Ore, dealt with you and didn’t allow you destroy our land. We’re betrayals. 😂

Y.A.R.I.B.A?? 😅 Hausas say that word does not exist in their language.

Check a Hausa dictionary, or if you are illiterate, then ask any Hausa around you.

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jellea:
Y.A.R.I.B.A means deceiver in Hausa. That's what they call. Even nairaland banned the word here . That's why I'm writing it in initials. Yorubas you guys are terrible. 😂

TAO11:

Wait, you said it’s from Hausa language, & I debunked that & you ran to Mali & said it’s from Mali language. I debunked that too & you’ve ran back again to Hausa.

Do me a favour: Please make up your mind. 🤣

Also, bring here the Hausa dictionary where you get it from. If it’s too heavy, tow it. Just help yourself. 😂

By the way.👇🏾😭

jellea:


One thing I noticed is that you are acting like we are debating. I'm just telling you facts. You are actually the one jumping from one goal post to another.

I said Yoruba are mainly migrants from Mali and western Africa, via Muslim raids. However the name YA.RI.BA was given by the Hausas.

Benin people enslaved lots of Igbos during Atlantic slave trade, after Portuguese gave them ammunition. Even today there word for slave is IGBON. But that's not the meaning of the name.

Igbo is similar to saying Bushmen as you have in southern Africa. It's referring to ancient group of Africans that have resided in this tropical area for long. Even you Yoruba inherited this world from the inhabitants of western Nigeria when you conquered them. That's why you call bushy areas as Igbo.

TAO11:

What about when you type, you also put evidence? 🤣

jellea:
The equipments used for ife bronze in 1500s was imported through Gao. Alot of Yorubas are Muslims. How did half of you became Muslim if not through western migration and series of conquering. This is long time ago before Fulani migration.

The problem with some of us is that we always try to claim seniority over others, and Europeans know this. They use it to keep Africa divided for long. If you pay close attention, Europeans will never tell the story of your Yoruba civilization without first starting from those area of Mali (linking it with Arab era). Because they don't want to attribute any invention to the so called sub Saharan Africa, nor do they want to agree that West Africa had trade routes eastwards to the Nile Valley (Igbo ukwu glass beads).

And in the beginning I told you that I don't really believe that Igbo language is related to Yoruba. This is mainly because both languages is spoken with different tones etc. there are similar words between them because most territory occupied by modern day Yoruba were conquered territory. They mixed up with the local igboid groups and adopted some of there words.

I'm not saying this to claim superior or whatever, because as I said earlier,Igbos are not from one ancestry. Infact it's just a word like Bushmen of south Africa. Even Igbos call themselves from another clan, onye Igbo.

You may not see this in history books ofcourse because westerners don't want the idea that sub Saharan Africa either developed independently or that they are related to the Nile Valley civilization. This is the main reason.

I'm very sure that they assisted most Yoruba graduates in 19th century in revising lots of history of West Africa. Maybe placing Yoruba at top, but the end game was to make it look like West Africa never invented anything by themselves. It's a long run game. Most Yorubas will understand it later.

Even Eastern Africans are now waking up, and rejecting all the 19th century British history given to them. They have started connecting there oral history. This is not just west Africa thing. This was at the height of slavery. They have to justify the reason for enslaving Africans

TAO11:

what a heap of rubbbbish?🤣

ife bronzes were made in the 1500s? lmao 😂 is it this same brain you use to run your daily activities? 🤦🏾‍♂️

ibos import goods from china, therefore ibos are chinese. you’re almost too stupid to be alive.😂

TAO11:

what a heap of rubbbbish?🤣

ife bronzes were made in the 1500s? lmao 😂 is it this same brain you use to run your daily activities? 🤦🏾‍♂️

ibos import goods from china, therefore ibos are chinese. you’re almost too stupid to be alive.😂

jellea:

Isn't ife bronze that of 14th century? What did I get wrong?
How many years has the Igbos traded with Chinese and do they practice their religion or speak their language? Yet we have considerate number of mixed Chinese kids of Igbo ancestry.

In the case of Yorubas, it's been more than 600 years, you practice their religion, and untop of that, they were alot of conquering kingdoms from there. I don't know why you think this is false

https://www.farooqkperogi.com/2022/04/where-are-descendants-of-malians-in.html?m=1

TAO11:
now make up your plastic mind: 1500s or 14th century? (those are 200 years apart dummy 😅).

oh okay, if we allow enough trading time between igboland & china, it would eventually magically prove that igbos are chinese. shebi i said, you’re too stupid to be alive. 😂

jellea:


It's a mistake, ife bronze are 15th century... From 1400 to 1500s. I don't know what you are smoking.


Even with your Chinese anology, if you had more Chinese mixed kids than native, what does that make you?? Keep diverting discussion. Prove me wrong with facts