Agboriotejoye:


Let me break it down for you. God's curse on mankind after the fall is as follows
1. Man shall till the ground to eat. Before the fall, the plants grew of themselves.
2. Man shall die and return to dust. Before then, man was actually immortal
3. Woman shall have pain at childbirth
4. Man shall rule over the woman and the woman shall seek to please the man in all things
5. God drove them out of the garden of Eden

A. Now looking at all of the above, is there any of them which has stopped in the daily human experience to this day?

B. If not, why do you then think Jesus has removed woman from under the "curse" of being under the man while the others are still potent?

C. I do understand the gospels very well. The question is if you understand it. Jesus Christ never equated a man to woman. In fact, he called the Pharisees attention to the fact that God never intended for a man to divorce his wife but Moses allowed it due to their stubbornness. He then went ahead to give his own conditions by which a man may divorce his wife. In other words, Jesus never said anything about the position of a woman with respect to a man.

Apostle Paul who further expounded on this subject in Corinthians used the example of Christ as the head of the church and the church being submissive to Christ to describe the relationship between a man and his wife.

I hope you understand now.

A. Again, Jesus Christ gave salvation from all the curses listed in Genesis 3 vs 14 - 19 to all those who will submit to and obey Him.

B. Again, Jesus Christ gave salvation from all the curses listed in Genesis 3 vs 14 - 19 to all those who will submit to and obey Him. If you don't understand what this means, ask.

C. Jesus Christ was addressing an audience of Old Covenant Law adherents. What would have been the point of Him addressing the position of a woman to a man with these men when the Old Covenant which they follow does not offer them Salvation from the condemnation of Sin as defined by God in Genesis 3 vs 14 - 19?

D. Jesus Christ, God's Law in the Kingdom of God declared in Matthew 23 vs 7 - 10 that He alone is Head and Authority over each of those who belong to Him - male and female alike. So no one who belongs to Jesus Christ can have another as head over him/her.

pansophist:


Frustrated about what exactly? And what authority did I gave myself that feminist are challenging? No run o, let's talk

Ok. Ehen, good. Me I want to talk too. Shey you won't run as well?

Akuruoulo:

They will become one in what way ?
Even Jesus said He and His Father are one yet he takes permission from his Father " Why " ?

You actually attention to compare the marriage between a man and a woman with the relationship that exists between Jesus Christ and God?

Akuruoulo:
now u failed to comprehend quick .
Must I mention the apostles ?

His followers are also all apostles.

KushLyon:
FutureIsFemale and gang right now

Toor. Me I go kuku share and catch cruise. Ah no want stress, mehn. That meme funny die!

Kobojunkie:
His followers are also all apostles.

And are all men .
Women gat their own way of doing things differently from the way men does.a bossy lady can never attract a man

Akuruoulo:

And are all men .
Women gat their own way of doing things differently from the way men does.a bossy lady can never attract a man

There were female apostles.

Kobojunkie:
You actually attention to compare the marriage between a man and a woman with the relationship that exists between Jesus Christ and God?

Saying the man and woman comes together as one doesn't mean they become equal.
Women has a place they prove better than men so do men.
Two DIFFERENT people can never be equal

Kobojunkie:
There were female apostles.

And what are their names ?

Akuruoulo:

And what are their names ?

Go read your your so you can learn for yourself that which you have refused to but are loud in proclaiming ignorance of.

My comment is the truth, and I have nothing to gain speaking lies, neither would that be enough reason for me to leave my church, so I keep going despite the submission preaching without love. So Madam church goer, remain in your lane, you are not needed.

ImaIma1:


Your comment that they don't preach submission and love hand in hand prompted it. You can follow me to church as per madam church goer

Akuruoulo:

Saying the man and woman comes together as one doesn't mean they become equal.
Women has a place they prove better than men so do men.
Two DIFFERENT people can never be equal

So you are saying that when God cursed woman, as punishment for sin , this in Genesis 3 vs 16 - declaring that the man would rule over her, God did not infact curse the woman at all
?

Kobojunkie:
So you are saying that when God cursed woman, as punishment for sin , this in Genesis 3 vs 16 - declaring that the man would rule over her, God did not infact curse the woman at all
?

Curse gat grade .
All curses are not equal

Kobojunkie:
Go read your your so you can learn for yourself that which you have refused to but are loud in proclaiming ignorance of.

U are the ignorant one here .
Claiming what is fails.
Miss interpreting the gospel etc

Kobojunkie:
There were female apostles.

If u can name atleast 3 I would believe all that you are saying

Matcheeww, go and marry your non feminist wife o, no one is withholding you. A bad man is a bad man, even if he marries a submissive woman, he will oppress her, maltreat her and cheat on her.....FACT. Don't forget that bad men like you outnumber the good ones.

Lightorder:
which school you go sef ? If you don’t submit, love dies and infidelity rules. If you like, keep deceiving yourself and group of zombies that would join you and scatter their homes and nicodemusly go to beg for reconciliation. Why is likes of Okonjo Iweala, late Dora Akunyili and other heavy women not feminists Only these young up comers, who chose YEYE HUSBANDS and BOYFRIENDS go about displaying their wicked witchcraft as feminisms

Both feminism and redpilling are RUBBISH...Love and respect yourselves as couples.

pansophist:


So where exactly in the constitution does it deny girls education? Also, do northern boys suffers the same fate or not?

How many times have you as a redpiller focused on the northern boy's plight, oga? How does MGTOW aid their cause? Last I checked, I don't see y'all discussing tangible men's issues and solutions except for heartbreak and gaming women. Who says feminism has to speak for all and do all or be every oppressed group's champion? If illiteracy is a general problem in the north, the girl child has it worse. And faces even peculiar problems by virtue of being a girl. Go ahead and be blind to this. Before you jump ahead to ask what feminists are doing about this, the question you asked was for Kobo to list problems of the girl child. For you to turn around and say, "do boys not face it?" then you have to accept the base fact that girls face it, therefore women face issues - generally and as a sex. [Sorry, feminism is not for men. I do not believe this anymore, because it's what y'all latch onto to demand inclusion and that's where the problem comes from for the "feminists" now. They say feminism is for everyone, but still go on to talk about women's issues. There's bound to arise clashes like these, therefore it's important feminism remain woman-centred. That doesn't mean they are the only ones who face societal issues, but as a sex, they cut across all other strata because they are a half of the population and will receive more attention as Whites, Blacks, Asians and so on. We can't call it feminism if we 'jampack' men's issues put and we need specialized movements to work effectively]. Even if I listed a thousand issues women face, you'd spin it around to generalize.

Stating the fact of things is not engaging in an oppression Olympics.

Here...go through this Twitter thread and see the things women experience and men do not, hence the importance of feminism for addressing women's issues. It's a list of discriminatory laws in African constitutions.

https://mobile.twitter.com/a_nickabugu/status/1264295256473964545

These are easily verifiable. Don't be lazy and tell me they are just tweets, deer.

Talking about what women lacked and are denied would rightly not include men because those things in particular do not affect them. Their experiences are literally nonexisten-t in such cases.

Any more deflections and whataboutism yo' gort?

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sharone21:
Both feminism and redpilling are RUBBISH...Love and respect yourselves as couples.

Educate yourself on what Feminism is really about abeg

Kobojunkie:
fighting for whose rights?

Women

Magnoliaa:
..
https://mobile.twitter.com/a_nickabugu/status/1264295256473964545

Any more deflections and whataboutism yo' gort?

See discrimination even pointed out!

Regex:

Women

And why do I need to go there for this?

Kobojunkie:
You dont know your own constitution so I should give you examples?

[b]You are not aware that even in the Northern states, girls are denied education? [/b]And here I thought you said you used to be a Feminist?

The bolded is not true and you know it. I suppose the 270 Chibok girls were kidnapped while they were in the farms? And not at school?

Do not mix constitutional issues with cultural issues. And when it comes to cultural issues, you should be circumspect in claiming cultural superiority.

It appears you know nothing of the north, and just bandy fake statistics to curry sympathy.

Kobojunkie:

A. Again, Jesus Christ gave salvation from all the curses listed in Genesis 3 vs 14 - 19 to all those who will submit to and obey Him.

B. Again, Jesus Christ gave salvation from all the curses listed in Genesis 3 vs 14 - 19 to all those who will submit to and obey Him. If you don't understand what this means, ask.

C. Jesus Christ was addressing an audience of Old Covenant Law adherents. What would have been the point of Him addressing the position of a woman to a man with these men when the Old Covenant which they follow does not offer them Salvation from the condemnation of Sin as defined by God in Genesis 3 vs 14 - 19?

D. Jesus Christ, God's Law in the Kingdom of God declared in Matthew 23 vs 7 - 10 that He alone is Head and Authority over each of those who belong to Him - male and female alike. So no one who belongs to Jesus Christ can have another as head over him/her.

His question in (A) was not answered. He did not ask what Jesus or the Bible said. He asked a simple question about contemporary human experience. Please do well to answer the question as honestly as possible.

Mordecai:

The bolded is not true and you know it. I suppose the 270 Chibok girls were kidnapped while they were in the farms? And not at school?

Do not mix constitutional issues with cultural issues. And when it comes to cultural issues, you should be circumspect in claiming cultural superiority.

It appears you know nothing of the north, and just bandy fake statistics to curry sympathy.

Is the statement you have there in bold supposed to be a joke?

You bring up the case of the Chibok gals as being representative of female education in the entire North yet you dare to accept me of bandying fake statements to curry sentiments? Are you kidding me?

Mordecai:

His question in (A) was not answered. He did not ask what Jesus or the Bible said. He asked a simple question about contemporary human experience. Please do well to answer the question as honestly as possible.

Asking about contemporary human experience while discussing God's Word? Are you serious at all?

Magnoliaa:


How many times have you as a redpiller focused on the northern boy's plight, oga? How does MGTOW aid their cause? Last I checked, I don't see y'all discussing tangible men's issues and solutions except for heartbreak and gaming women. Who says feminism has to speak for all and do all or be every oppressed group's champion? If illiteracy is a general problem in the north, the girl child has it worse. And faces even peculiar problems by virtue of being a girl. Go ahead and be blind to this. Before you jump ahead to ask what feminists are doing about this, the question you asked was for Kobo to list problems of the girl child. For you to turn around and say, "do boys not face it?" then you have to accept the base fact that girls face it, therefore women face issues - generally and as a sex. [Sorry, feminism is not for men. I do not believe this anymore, because it's what y'all latch onto to demand inclusion and that's where the problem comes from for the "feminists" now. They say feminism is for everyone, but still go on to talk about women's issues. There's bound to arise clashes like these, therefore it's important feminism remain woman-centred. That doesn't mean they are the only ones who face societal issues, but as a sex, they cut across all other strata because they are a half of the population and will receive more attention as Whites, Blacks, Asians and so on. We can't call it feminism if we 'jampack' men's issues put and we need specialized movements to work effectively]. Even if I listed a thousand issues women face, you'd spin it around to generalize.

Stating the fact of things is not engaging in an oppression Olympics.

Here...go through this Twitter thread and see the things women experience and men do not, hence the importance of feminism for addressing women's issues. It's a list of discriminatory laws in African constitutions.

https://mobile.twitter.com/a_nickabugu/status/1264295256473964545

These are easily verifiable. Don't be lazy and tell me they are just tweets, deer.

Talking about what women lacked and are denied would rightly not include men because those things in particular do not affect them. Their experiences are literally nonexisten-t in such cases.

Any more deflections and whataboutism yo' gort?

Y'all be confusing disenchantment with a movement that has turned toxic with an ideal to fight for.

Feminism started out as a laudable movement to emancipate females from oppressive cultural norms. It has eventually become a man-hating, anti-male movement that will attack even the females it claims to fight for, if she so much as takes a stand for her husband, or son or any male loved ones.

Just like most Nigerian secret cults that claim to fight for emancipation, but the visible outcomes are robbery, rape, murder etc, you can all see where the feminist movement is currently and where it is headed.

Just as I will not go against my wife, mother, sisters and daughters because of some silly biases against females, same way, they will not stand for a movement that tries to place a wedge between family, friends and loved ones.

You can keep playing the ostrich, and watch your beloved feminist movement implode. More women will take a stand against it, because in the end, we all live for something that far supercedes gender, religion or race.

Kobojunkie:
Is the statement you have there in bold supposed to be a joke?

You bring up the case of the Chibok gals as being representative of female education in the entire North yet you dare to accept me of bandying fake statements to curry sentiments? Are you kidding me?

Good, you have accepted there are schools for girls in the north. We are now down to the issue of whether there are enough schools. That is why everyone, including females can vote to select good leaders. Let's focus our attention on the necessary things.

Kobojunkie:
Asking about contemporary human experience while discussing God's Word? Are you serious at all?

I wonder why you can bring up contemporary marriage experiences in the discussion while he cannot bring in contemporary human experience. Answer his question, please.

@Akuruoulo, please pick up your gauntlet.

I really am taken in by your discussion with Kobo.

Mordecai:

Good, you have accepted there are schools for girls in the north. We are now down to the issue of whether there are enough schools. That is why everyone, including females can vote to select good leaders. Let's focus our attention on the necessary things.

I wonder why you can bring up contemporary marriage experiences in the discussion while he cannot bring in contemporary human experience. Answer his question, please.

1. UM.. I never stated that girl education was nonexistent in the North. That assumption was wholly yours. Now go back and maybe this time, approach the post without your delusions coloring it.

2. Not once have I mentioned contemporary marriage experiences on this thread or any other. So, again, open your eyes, and your mind, so can clearly comprehend that which is being discussed before you jump in.

Kobojunkie:
1. UM.. I never stated that girl education was nonexistent in the North. That assumption was wholly yours. Now go back and maybe this time, approach the post without your delusions coloring it.

These were your words:

You dont know your own constitution so I should give you examples? undecided

[b]You are not aware that even in the Northern states, girls are denied education? [/b]And here I thought you said you used to be a Feminist? undecided

Kobojunkie:

2. Not once have I mentioned contemporary marriage experiences on this thread or any other. So, again, open your eyes, and your mind, so can clearly comprehend that which is being discussed before you jump in.

When we talk about women submitting in marriage today, I don't know if that is not a reference to contemporary marriage experiences.

Please answer Akuruoulo's question.

Mordecai:

These were your words:

You dont know your own constitution so I should give you examples? undecided

[b]You are not aware that even in the Northern states, girls are denied education? [/b]And here I thought you said you used to be a Feminist? undecided


When we talk about women submitting in marriage today, I don't know if that is not a reference to contemporary marriage experiences.

Please answer Akuruoulo's question.

1. OK

2. Submission in marriage did not begin today as it has been that way since Genesis 3 vs 14 - 19. So there isn't really anything contemporary about that since it has been so since God condemned man from Adam.

2000 years ago, Jesus Christ showed up offering those who will chose Him, Salvation from the condemnation of Sin, and so those who submit and obey the teachings and commandments of God's New Covenant are no longer condemned or cursed.