ekt_bear:

@Sagamite: I understand your POV and used to think the same way for a long time.

But nowadays, I'm of the opinion that two mutually consenting adults (at least in theory) should be able to do whatever they like that doesn't hurt anyone else.

Pretty doubtful that this will be the sentiment of most Nigerians for another 50-200 years, though

My opinion is:

- Two consenting adults can do their filth in private.

- Something not hurting anybody does not mean it is not offensive/disgusting.

- If it is done/proclaimed in public and generally offensive (like homosexuality) then they should be dealt with.

- For sure, I can only assume your "live and let live" does not mean you approve of two consenting adults having alfresco sex in the shopping mall "because it does not hurt anyone"? You will find it disgusting and request their arrest.

- Homosexuality is disgusting and if some deviants want to get involved in it as two consenting adults, it is best they do it in the closet and not announce it on Newspapers and then not expect our fury!

If he had entered the country with his gay quietly, I would not have heard about it and would not have been bothered.

monkeyleg:

dont we have more serious problems in Nigeria to be worrying about Chika and his Man. In the grand scheme of things, this is way down the line of importance, and Nigerians should chanel thier energy into seeking and achieving good governance and functioning public services.

Chika's actions hurt no one but himself, corrupt and faile government affects everyone.

It is really ridiculous to say a government (or the public) should only deal with/focus on the most serious problems of the society and ignore the supposed "little ones".

When the Chika's and likes promote themselves to the point they are forcing governments to teach your kids through school curricullums that fcking a man up the arse is an alternative example of a family unit, then you will know it is a serious problem.

When the Chika's and likes promote themselves to the point they are forcing governments or employers to force you to accept/promote/encourage homosexuality, then you will know it is a serious problem.

When the Chika's and likes promote themselves to the point they are forcing governments to allow them adopt your (God Forbid) deceased siblings children so they have a "loving family", then you will know it is a serious problem.

monkeyleg:

dont we have more serious problems in Nigeria to be worrying about Chika and his Man. In the grand scheme of things, this is way down the line of importance, and Nigerians should chanel thier energy into seeking and achieving good governance and functioning public services.

Chika's actions hurt no one but himself, corrupt and faile government affects everyone.

Pretty much. In a country in which there is no light, no jobs, no water, no healthcare, bad schools, heavy corruption, oppressive poverty and in some parts (SS, SE and parts of the middle belt) AIDs is rampant, the last thing anyone should be worrying about is two dudes getting it on. Pretty much should be at the bottom of the priority list.

We focus too much in this country on things that aren't really that important in the big picture.

ekt_bear:

@Sagamite: I understand your POV and used to think the same way for a long time.

But nowadays, I'm of the opinion that two mutually consenting adults (at least in theory) should be able to do whatever they like that doesn't hurt anyone else.

Pretty doubtful that this will be the sentiment of most Nigerians for another 50-200 years, though

, mehn I am one of those Naija that do not want to see people get brazen with such nonsense as is seen in the west, no doubt there are some of them here in Nigeria but they dare not start getting funky and jiggy with it here in the full glare of people or they will get their asses pimped with super glue and aradite.
Imagine how fcked up the kid these two weirdos will adopt, growing up and watching their supposed parents both males kissing and fingering eachother every now and then in their presence and being romantic ish.
God help the human race with this kind of strange twist.

^-- Hehe. Me, if I were a poor orphan I'd much rather be adopted by two rich gay dudes than some poor straight couple.

It isn't as if being raised by those two gay dudes will change you from a heterosexual into a homosexual. And much likier for the two gay dudes to invest in a great education for you than two poor folk

Gay German lawyer + gay Igbo dude, or some random poor straight couple in Nigeria?

Which one would likelier lead to a better life for you, as a poor orphan boy/girl?

ekt_bear:


Pretty much. In a country in which there is no light, no jobs, no water, no healthcare, bad schools, heavy corruption, oppressive poverty and in some parts (SS, SE and parts of the middle belt) AIDs is rampant, the last thing anyone should be worrying about is two dudes getting it on. Pretty much should be at the bottom of the priority list.

We focus too much in this country on things that aren't really that important in the big picture.

I think the best answer to this your response is the adjustment I made in my last post when responding to monkeyleg whilst you were posting this.

It is ridiculous to say governments/people should only focus on "big" problems.

And worse still, Faggotism is not bottom of the priority list in any way.

ekt_bear:

^-- Hehe. Me, if I were a poor orphan I'd much rather be adopted by two rich gay dudes than some poor straight couple.

It isn't as if being raised by those two gay dudes will change you from a heterosexual into a homosexual. And much likier for the two gay dudes to invest in a great education for you than two poor folk

Gay German lawyer + gay Igbo dude, or some random poor straight couple in Nigeria?

Which one would likelier lead to a better life for you, as a poor orphan boy/girl?

I would rather be left in a good and well-run orphange.

Justcash:


I can sense how excited you are to have seen one Igbo gay. It must be a dream come true for you. I wonder how many times you have wanked over his pic. Hew! BK Male/Babe, Akata undisputed She/male, all time boy with a lady's instinct. Puuuuuah! You make me wanna throw up.
Nah, it is not me. Don't come and ask me to dig your as's because you will get shot and killed instead. I repeat, that gay guy there is not Justcash. Mistaken identity is not a good excuse nowadays. Remove the fantasy of having Justcash dig you from your head! LWKMD. FYI, I do only Ladies. I'd kill you and go to jail instead of digging an Akata st'inking G'ay ani'mal like you.
Beware!!! No Justcash Fantasies!!!!  

^^^ LOL ,. My brother, just ignore the fool. It's a bit suspicious that you appear to be on his mind 24/7, seeing as he tries to bring up your name at the slightest opportunity. He does seem to have the hots for you, and i can understand your disgust .

You just know there are certain topics you can stake your mortgage on this BK-fool showing up. The day he doesn't, then know he's DEAD or got a job.

Sagamite:

I think the best answer to this your response is the adjustment I made in my last post when responding to monkeyleg whilst you are posting this.

It is ridiculous to say governments/people should only focus on "big" problems.

Largely speaking, people have to prioritize. Put more energy into facing the bigger problems in society before sinking energy into the small ones.

And worse still, Faggotism is not bottom of the priority list in any way.

In almost every 3rd world country I can think of on the face of the planet, homosexuals certain have to be at (or at least, very near) the bottom of the priority list. Geez man, be reasonable.

I would rather be left in a good and well-run orphange.

Suit yourself. I'd pick the two rich gays, have 'em send me to a great college and then pay my way through med/law/etc school.

ekt_bear:

Largely speaking, people have to prioritize. Put more energy into facing the bigger problems in society before sinking energy into the small ones.

Any sane, rational, reasonable, educated government will be able to devote more energy to bigger problems but still deal with small problems.

What some of you had kind of advocated and used to stealthly suppress condemnation of homosexuality and which I am challenging is that this "small" problem should be ignored by us and the government.

Thank God you have corrected yourself by stating "put more energy". That sounds like, there should still be some energy left for this filth even if you misjudge it as "small".

ekt_bear:

In almost every 3rd world country I can think of on the face of the planet, homosexuals certain have to be at (or at least, very near) the bottom of the priority list. Geez man, be reasonable.

Social fibre, moral structure, cultural identity and public decency is (and should be) of high priority in every part of the world, not just third world.

Money is not everything as they teach us in the capitalist West.

ekt_bear:

^-- Hehe. Me, if I were a poor orphan I'd much rather be adopted by two rich gay dudes than some poor straight couple.

It isn't as if being raised by those two gay dudes will change you from a heterosexual into a homosexual. And much likier for the two gay dudes to invest in a great education for you than two poor folk

Gay German lawyer + gay Igbo dude, or some random poor straight couple in Nigeria?

Which one would likelier lead to a better life for you, as a poor orphan boy/girl?

hmmmm. . If dem give you chance eh. .hehehe
Anyway, either way such a kid will be fcked up no doubt. You forget when it comes to sexual urges, it is a thing of the mind and pictures in your head. As a kid growing to see such an anomaly, you will most likely ve a fcked up sexual orientation. Might even be swinging both ways without qualms.

rhymz:

hmmmm. . If dem give you chance eh. .hehehe
Anyway, either way such a kid will be fcked up no doubt. You forget when it comes to sexual urges, it is a thing of the mind and pictures in your head. As a kid growing to see such an anomaly, you will most likely ve a fcked up sexual orientation. Might even be swinging both ways without qualms.

Man I highly doubt that. Think about it for you. You as a kid, were your sexual attractions defined by your parents? Or by the female friends you had in primary/secondary school and saw on TV. . . or some sexy teacher you had in secondary school? For me it was the latter. My peers at school and the tv I watched has influenced the type of girls I like a lot more than pretty much anything else.

My suspicion is that for most people their sexual orientation is something they are born with. And if influenced by those around them, peers are likely to have a bigger influence than parents.

Nigerian gays are becoming too brazen nowadays. . . .

Ibime:

Nigerian gays are becoming too brazen nowadays. . . .

Eh ehn, oya, let's deal with them. You buy the kerosine and matches, I'll buy the tire.

Sagamite:

Any sane, rational, reasonable, educated government will be able to devote more energy to bigger problems but still deal with small problems.

What some of you had kind of advocated, used to stealthly suppress condemnation of homosexuality and I am challenging is that this "small" problem should be ignored by us and the government.

Thank God you have corrected yourself by stating "put more energy". That sounds like, there should still be some energy left for this filth even if you misjudge it as "small".

Social fibre, moral structure, cultural identity and public decency is (and should be) of high priority in every part of the world, not just third world.

Money is not everything as they teach us in the capitalist West.

Bleh. Tell that to a poor man trying to get ahead in life

As a philosopher (of sorts) I know once said:

Cash, Rules, Everything, Around, Me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar, dollar bill y'all

@Sagamite,

You got it all wrong.

@ekt_bear,

You got it right my bro.

Chika's issue is not the most serious we have in this country and should be treated as such. There is no chance that sort of lifestyle would take hold in Nigeria and we know that, so why the hysteria. We spend our time on very small issues, while ignoring the serious ones. Chika's issue has no bearing on the economy of our country or services

monkeyleg:

@Sagamite,

You got it all wrong.

No, he is absolutely right.

This Sule Lamido guy who governors Jigawa is supposedly a closeted homo, from what someone posted here earlier.

Yet he is outperforming every other governor in Northern Nigeria, and many in the south.

Give me a homosexual like him any day of the week over a straight, but incompetent governor.

We've got some BIG problems to solve in Nigeria. And people here want to (as my dad would say) major in minor? Focus on things that aren't really relevant?

Nigeria is too far behind the rest of the world. If we ever want to catch up, there cannot be energy wasted on unimportant things.

ekt_bear:

Bleh. Tell that to a poor man trying to get ahead in life  

As a philosopher (of sorts) I know once said:

You have a point there.  

monkeyleg:

@Sagamite,

You got it all wrong.

@ekt_bear,

You got it right my bro.

Chika's issue is not the most serious we have in this country and should be treated as such. There is no chance that sort of lifestyle would take hold in Nigeria and we know that, so why the hysteria. We spend our time on very small issues, while ignoring the serious ones. Chika's issue has no bearing on the economy of our country or services

I bet the bolded was what the average English man thought in the 50s and 60s when some people told them all the gays want is "live and let live".

Now some people get sacked from their jobs for refusing to conduct gay marriages. Some others get fined for not allowing gays use their home converted into bed and breakfast. Companies are forced and blackmailed to have explicit gay-friendly recruitment policies or else face calumny. Gay characters are consistently being put in favourite soap operas and ALWAYS given positive light.

Historical context has shown now to people with interest in moral codes that Faggotism is a serious issue once it is being promoted. FACT!

They will not stop at tolerance. They will demand acceptance. Force them to keep it in the closet.

If anyone wants to be a gay . . . . .  fine! Do it privately. We are not allowing it or accepting it in mainstream.

ekt_bear:

This Sule Lamido guy who governors Jigawa is supposedly a closeted homo, from what someone posted here earlier.

Yet he is outperforming every other governor in Northern Nigeria, and many in the south.

Give me a homosexual like him any day of the week over a straight, but incompetent governor.

We've got some BIG problems to solve in Nigeria. And people here want to (as my dad would say) major in minor? Focus on things that aren't really relevant?

Nigeria is too far behind the rest of the world. If we ever want to catch up, there cannot be energy wasted on unimportant things.

No 1, you are using conjecture as example without backing evidence.

No 2, any competent homosexual can take any post in my opinion as long as they are not using it to promote homosexuality or exploit/prey on people.

@Sagamite,

We are not talking about bringing things into law. No we are altking about putting things in the right pespective. Dont forget that the UK you so refer to where far better in the 50's and 60's that Nigeria is in 2011.

Now which mattes most to you. So guy doing his thing, or a government not performing, stealing from its people and maltreating them? Should we also be worries about those who fire their women through the Nyash, after all that is not Nigerian either is it?

Let us get things in pespective. The chances of Chika and his mate succeeding in Nigeria or Africa in general is very remote and you know that

ekt_bear:

Man I highly doubt that. Think about it for you. You as a kid, were your sexual attractions defined by your parents? Or by the female friends you had in primary/secondary school and saw on TV. . . or some sexy teacher you had in secondary school? For me it was the latter. My peers at school and the tv I watched has influenced the type of girls I like a lot more than pretty much anything else.

My suspicion is that for most people their sexual orientation is something they are born with. And if influenced by those around them, peers are likely to have a bigger influence than parents.

Let us get this straight, a majority of the people indulging in homosexuality are into it by virtue of nurture and not neccessarily nature.
Most of the ones I personally know, most of them women, did not start out as homosexuals. Many of them have thesame line of story, the lure of peer pressure and sheer curiosity occassioned by what they have seen in movies and porn movies.
With the proliferation of porn in our media and increased access to forein TV programms-it was only a matter of time before we start seeing the effects of these things. It is folly to even try to argue that homosexuality has continued to grow because "all of a sudden we are begining to realize some people are born with homosexual genes"(there is no emperical scientific proof to that, just some random western sociologists explaining stuff away ) come on, being liberal with the scourge of homosexuality is the west of saying you cant be them you join them. Thesame nonsense must not be allowed here.

monkeyleg:

@Sagamite,

We are not talking about bringing things into law. No we are altking about putting things in the right pespective. Dont forget that the UK you so refer to where far better in the 50's and 60's that Nigeria is in 2011.

Now which mattes most to you. So guy doing his thing, or a government not performing, stealing from its people and maltreating them? Should we also be worries about those who fire their women through the Nyash, after all that is not Nigerian either is it?

Let us get things in pespective. The chances of Chika and his mate succeeding in Nigeria or Africa in general is very remote and you know that

You still don't get it.

No 1, this is one of the kinds of processes used to normate and brainwash people to accept homosexuality. We can't stand around and ignore it. It is part of the perspectives.

No 2, what matters to me is comprehensive good governance, not polarized good governance. I don't think it makes sense to say government/people should ignore certain problems.

No 3, economics is not the only part of governance that matters. Social systems is high priority as well.

No 4, you are best advised not to go down the "firing women up the nyash" comparison. It is plain silly argument.

My beaf is with sticking that ish up the arse.

rhymz:

Let us get this straight, a majority of the people indulging in homosexuality are into it by virtue of nurture and not neccessarily nature.

Do you have any quantitative data to back this up? I was under the impression that scientists have studied this and determined that it was mostly nature, not nurture.

We can all bandy about personal experiences, but unless one gives evidence for it to be nurture then I don't see any harm in letting them be.

Sagamite:

No 1, you are using conjecture as example without backing evidence.

What aspect is conjecture? The rumor that he is gay, or that he is the best performing guy in the north?

No 2, any competent homosexual can take any post in my opinion as long as they are not using it to promote homosexuality or exploit/prey on people.

Lmao, the way you describe it sometimes, it sounds like it is some sort of religious cult that vigorously evangelizes

The guy has a mental problem period. Why visit Nigeria? What are they trying to showcase? Doesn't he understand our African heritage and ways? This guy has to understand that Africa is not Europe and we don't approve/showcase Homosexuality as appropriate sexual behaviour or marriage union.

ekt_bear:

What aspect is conjecture? The rumor that he is gay, or that he is the best performing guy in the north?

You used an unconfirmed and unreliable report to create an example of good performance by a gay.

ekt_bear:

Lmao, the way you describe it sometimes, it sounds like it is some sort of religious cult that vigorously evangelizes

That is the way it is over here in UK.

An extremely intelligent guy like myself can read and cut through the stealthly and deceitful agenda.

For example, Civil Partnership was labelled that and not marriage to prevent an uproar.

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, dances like a duck, looks like a duck, it is what?  

Think about it. Why did this gay need to go and announce to the media he is coming to Nigeria with his gay?

Abagworo:

My beaf is with sticking that ish up the arse.

Lol. Many straight couples experiment with anal. . . if you believe these studies:

a 2007 report entitled Prevalence and Correlates of Heterosexual Anal and MouthAction in Adolescents and Adults in the United States, published in the Journal of Infectious Disease, a national survey of Family Growth found that 34% men and 30% women reported ever participating in heterosexual anal sex. The percentage of participants reporting heterosexual anal sex was significantly higher among 20- to 24-year-olds and peaked among 30- to 34-year-olds.[45][46] Another survey in, 2008, focused on a much younger demographic of teenagers and young adults, aged 15–21. It found that 16% of 1350 surveyed had had this type of sex in the previous 3 months, with condoms being used 29% of the time.[47] However, given the subject matter, the survey hypothesized the prevalence was probably underestimated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anal_sex

@Sagamite,

I understand you very well. But I dont accept this is the most pressing problem in Nigeria, Infact I dont see it as a problem, Simply because I know that what you are scared off will not happen in Nigeria, The society just doesnt permit it. So I would rather channel my energy to that which would change lives, and that is a functioning well run government that affects everybodys lives positively

Sagamite:

You used an unconfirmed and unreliable report to create an example of good performance by a gay.

Eh, how will I get hard evidence that the dude is gay? There is nothing else I have available. . . I dunno the guy personally to confirm the rumor one way or another.

That is the way it is over here in UK.

An extremely intelligent guy like myself can read the stealth and deceitful agenda.

For example, Civil Partnership was labelled that and not marriage to prevent an uproar.

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, dances like a duck, looks like a duck, it is what?  

Think about it. Why did this gay need to go and announce to the media he is coming to Nigeria with his gay?

I see. Here in the US, they aren't very militant. Hence my live-and-let-live attitude, I guess.

I remember in 11th grade in HS, we had this gay English teacher.

I was really mean to her once and made her cry/yell in class. That is when my previously bigoted world-view started to change.

Like, why should I be mean to this woman just because she is gay? How does it negatively affect my life in any way, what she does in her life?

I was still anti-gay up until about 2004 or so, at which point I mellowed out and became indifferent.

Come'on ekt_bear, what fact do I need from a straight person I have always known who recently turned gay.
I dont know how the social systems in the west works but I can say without any fear of equivocation that a majority of the people down here in the act were not born that way, nature never made them like that.
Have you been to our boarding and secondary schools? Do you know how much of such habit a new entrant there can pick up? Not to talk of our Universities where we have some very popular gay groups with enviable access to , who make such habit look very attractive and fashionable to wanna-be(s).
Well, I may not have written evidence to show that homosexuality has almost nothing or very little to do with genetic make up but more to do with the product of ones environment and value system; however, I have personal experiences and stories from the horses mouth to prove my case. And pls, i would realy love it for you to show that there are scientifically proven cases of homosexuality in human genetic make-up.

@ekt_bear,

I understand where u are. Most people hate the person and the act, rather than the act alone. Why are people not picking up arms to beat the politicians who steal from them daily, cause them so much grief, even kills them? No we are prepared to forgive these same people, but attack those, who really are weak. Infact I see the Nigerian position as One of Cowards.

When did homosexuality become part of ibo culture,for this guy family to have allowed him to follow this evil path ? Gays are not normal,so they must not be allowed to exist.

monkeyleg:

@ekt_bear,

I understand where u are. Most people hate the person and the act, rather than the act alone. Why are people not picking up arms to beat the politicians who steal from them daily, cause them so much grief, even kills them? No we are prepared to forgive these same people, but attack those, who really are weak. Infact I see the Nigerian position as One of Cowards.

Pseudo-liberalism always shoots itself in the foot in defense of the indefensible. Can you hate armed robbery, but love the armed robber?
To be gay is to be anti-society, because gay couples do not replenish or build populations by procreating, rather they rob it off some of those abilities. To encourage gays is to encourage the death of the community.