Captain8:
will the boys in that esn fight more with the military uniform than the vigilante one? are you sure you reasonin with brain at all? esn can't withstand army at orlu, will that military uniform make them perform better?

only police defeated esn and ugm within two weeks......now tell me, how could the military tag make them perform better? brain is indeed difficult to use

Slow boy that does not even know what putting on a military uniform symbolises, if they had unveiled esn with men putting on military uniforms then that is a declaration of war and the army would respond faster, this is why Niger delta militants wear military uniforms because they already declared war but they give them peanuts and they shut up

Brimstone77:
it depends on his motive of creating the armed group,he created esn to protect the people from killer herds men not to fight a war against the state,he don't expect any consequence from creating a vigilante group whose aim is to help the military in protecting the citizens....


He should be applauded instead not attacked..

If ESN had shot down 2 or 3 military aircrafts, Kanu won't have been picked like a rat at Kenya

Enugupikin:

Well you're partly right at the pressure that necessitated ESN. But you're wrong on developing local weapons to fight nigerian state .it won't work.Here is the reason;you don't make your base the theatre of war,once your base us the theatre of War then you have already lossed before the war started which was even part of what happened to the civil war we fought ,most weapons like ogbunigwe were made in biafran soil so that tactics isn't new and biafra still lossed.
They're many factors to war bro aside weapons,south east doesn't even have food within , if you were in the east during endsars protest you will understand that food scarcity was nearing the war type and this was one of the weapons used in the last war.

Part of the problem is also that the south east govs were reluctant to form Ebubeagu which made ESN to be formed ,but even at that ipob should have enrolled their members and secretly hijack it ,with this the legitimacy would have been there. It's a tough one actually, anyhow its going to be the south east people will pay the price ,and not the north or south west .

All your fears will be factored in and the techs needed to grow enough food and import enough food will be developed

As for the last war, we lost because we could not produced basic things like bullets, shells, anti tank/aircraft weapons etc.

Brimstone77:
it depends on his motive of creating the armed group,he created esn to protect the people from killer herds men not to fight a war against the state,he don't expect any consequence from creating a vigilante group whose aim is to help the military in protecting the citizens....


He should be applauded instead not attacked..

Applauded yes and I am not even attacking him I am just Saying the truth, he should not have created esn

Brimstone77:
he doesn't expect the military to be deployed against vigilantes...


Esn is no threat to the Nigerian state as far as the weren't formed to attack the Nigerian state..

No government would allow you carry AK

vasel15:


Applauded yes and I am not even attacking him I am just Saying the truth, he should have created a well equipped esn disguised as vigilantes

Edited perfectly well for you

Enugupikin:

Well you're partly right at the pressure that necessitated ESN. But you're wrong on developing local weapons to fight nigerian state .it won't work.Here is the reason;you don't make your base the theatre of war,once your base us the theatre of War then you have already lossed before the war started which was even part of what happened to the civil war we fought ,most weapons like ogbunigwe were made in biafran soil so that tactics isn't new and biafra still lossed.
They're many factors to war bro aside weapons,south east doesn't even have food within , if you were in the east during endsars protest you will understand that food scarcity was nearing the war type and this was one of the weapons used in the last war.

Part of the problem is also that the south east govs were reluctant to form Ebubeagu which made ESN to be formed ,but even at that ipob should have enrolled their members and secretly hijack it ,with this the legitimacy would have been there. It's a tough one actually, anyhow its going to be the south east people will pay the price ,and not the north or south west .

I agree with some of your points but not all, this is 2021 things can be produced locally, we don't need heavy weapons, it is called guerrilla warfare

ConqueredWest:


While ESN is not a threat to Nigeria, it is a threat to Fulanis agenda. Therefore, Kanu should have anticipated the deployment of the miltary by the Fulani terrorists in power and should have made plans for the worst case scenario by encouraging brilliant Biafrans to develop advanced weapons.

Confirm! He himself always say it that they would come and the question is why didn't he plan for it?

Enugupikin:

Same DOS with corruption case around its noose.Even the rich and rugged Ojukwu didn't go far let alone of these riff-raffs

Ojukwu went far enough they used food as a weapon which is even against international law, it is a war crime

vasel15:


I agree with some of your points but not all, this is 2021 things can be produced locally, we don't need heavy weapons, it is called guerrilla warfare

Heavy weapons like tanks, aircrafts, submarines, artilleries etc can be produced in secret

ConqueredWest:



If ESN had shot down 2 or 3 military aircrafts, Kanu won't have been picked like a rat at Kenya

Kanu won't even travel to Kenya because everywhere would be hot, infact even in the UK he would be inside a bunker and that is war, have you not see how government kill people abroad

ConqueredWest:


Edited perfectly well for you

Lol yeah

ConqueredWest:


Heavy weapons like tanks, aircrafts, submarines, artilleries etc can be produced in secret

We have talented people

vasel15:


Ojukwu went far enough they used food as a weapon which is even against international law, it is a war crime

Was anyone punished for that?No
Even if there is another war same tactics and even more punitive measures will be used by the Nigerian state and its British allies which is a friend to the USA and nothing will happen as usual.UN doesn't even have jurisdiction in cases like ,theirs is usually medicne after death and probably send some aids.
I was watching Aljazeera interview UN sec gen this morning, he specially mentioned their toothless bulldogs and nations determine what happens . For you to have written this intelligent Op, I believe you should understand what I'm talking about .

Brimstone77:
And mind you esn are only vigilante,they were not trained or formed to fight a war against the Nigerian state..


As much as I can remember,esn are formed to protect the people from killer herds men..


If ipob want to form a militia group to fight against the government(which I don't support) then they should be well trained and equipped,not like these ak47 carriers in esn...


And mind you the last time I checked ipob is still a non violent organization,only Nigerians will say otherwise..

Your last statement is opposite of everything u said.

For me, both ipob, ESN and other Biafra apologists are not wise at all. Y'all are playing with fire and this fire will end up consuming all of u

vasel15:


I agree with some of your points but not all, this is 2021 things can be produced locally, we don't need heavy weapons, it is called guerrilla warfare

Guerrilla warfare on your soil?
For how long , mind you africa doesn't understand what is called rules of engagement.
You should have really understand what has happened in orlu in the past few months and avoidable innocents deaths too numerous to mention, do you know orlu? It is almost becoming a ghost town I was there few days back, who suffers it and for how long .

Let me tell you , the mistake the east will make is to engage war with the FG , the SS people are already waiting to take over properties even. Also, the east will be further divided and this time around military occupied. Before the civil war the igbo territory was more than this but see how it has become balkanised with igbo denials here and there.Let another war happen and certain parts suffer severe losses you will see Ngwa or Nsukka people coming to tell you there are not igbos again

ConqueredWest:


All your fears will be factored in and the techs needed to grow enough food and import enough food will be developed

As for the last war, we lost because we could not produced basic things like bullets, shells, anti tank/aircraft weapons etc.

Lmao, good you're keeping the discussion civil
Import food from which port actually ,same ports that were blocked during the last war despite calabar and ph been part of the old Eastern region let alone now they've be carved out,please do a little history and don't fantasise!
How many countries have the technology to make aircraft weapons and how long will it take you to build it please be real!

ConqueredWest:



If ESN had shot down 2 or 3 military aircrafts, Kanu won't have been picked like a rat at Kenya

He would have been killed in Kenya instead by those fiery Kenya troops fighting alshebab

vasel15:


No government would allow you carry AK

Not even a BIAFRAN govt will allow that

Enugupikin:

Guerrilla warfare on your soil?
For how long , mind you africa doesn't understand what is called rules of engagement.
You should have really understand what has happened in orlu in the past few months and avoidable innocents deaths too numerous to mention, do you know orlu? It is almost becoming a ghost town I was there few days back, who suffers it and for how long .

Let me tell you , the mistake the east will make is to engage war with the FG , the SS people are already waiting to take over properties even. Also, the east will be further divided and this time around military occupied. Before the civil war the igbo territory was more than this but see how it has become balkanised with igbo denials here and there.Let another war happen and certain parts suffer severe losses you will see Ngwa or Nsukka people coming to tell you there are not igbos again

In the end freedom would come and if you think we would fight another war and then come back and become Nigerians then you are slower than I thought

ConqueredWest:


Heavy weapons like tanks, aircrafts, submarines, artilleries etc can be produced in secret

lmao, I will let it slide. Who builds them? Even some advanced countries like Australia and Canada don't even have that technology, reason they opted for USA/UK after cancelling the plan with France. You're obviously kidding

Enugupikin:

Lmao, good you're keeping the discussion civil
Import food from which port actually ,same ports that were blocked during the last war despite calabar and ph been part of the old Eastern region let alone now they've be carved out,please do a little history and don't fantasise!
How many countries have the technology to make aircraft weapons and how long will it take you to build it please be real!

How we will import is a secret I can't divulge but be rest assured that it is possible with the right techs

vasel15:


Kanu won't even travel to Kenya because everywhere would be hot, infact even in the UK he would be inside a bunker and that is war, have you not see how government kill people abroad

Thats exactly what I'm saying he would have been killed with the help of the CIA or British government.

Enugupikin:

lmao, I will let it slide. Who builds them? Even some advanced countries like Australia and Canada don't even have that technology, reason they opted for USA/UK after cancelling the plan with France. You're obviously kidding

I am not on nairaland to convince you.

In short keep doubting our tech capabilities since it is to our favor

vasel15:


Slow boy that does not even know what putting on a military uniform symbolises, if they had unveiled esn with men putting on military uniforms then that is a declaration of war and the army would respond faster, this is why Niger delta militants wear military uniforms because they already declared war but they give them peanuts and they shut up

war is not declared on people because of wearin uniform...... you can wear slippers and pant but meet the requirements authority will declare war on you.....
there are two things required for authority to declared war on certain region...
you igbo youths too ignorant....no wonder you believe every lie vomitted by kanu....
kanu formed biafra army esn...... his strategy is to provoke gov to declared war on the south south and south east so that every body will start fightin joinin biafra army and start fightin government, how foolish is he...
kanu thinks like 5years kid....

ConqueredWest:


How we will import is a secret I can't divulge but be rest assured that it is possible with the right techs

There is no secret to importation , stop hiding under secret to spew what is not real.This is actually 9ne of those tactless boastful nature drowning ipob

Enugupikin:

There is no secret to importation , stop hiding under secret to spew what is not real.This is actually 9ne of those tactless boastful nature drowning ipob

As I said earlier, I am not on Nairaland to teach you how we will go about it.

It is a classified info

vasel15:


In the end freedom would come and if you think we would fight another war and then come back and become Nigerians then you are slower than I thought

Don't be insane and myopic. Have you traveled through nigeria ,you will understand the south east is actually a dot in a circle, no pun intended .we're completely surrounded and you can never win any war without allies.Even the USA knows this and the reason there is allied forces.

Shebi ipob said UK will fight for kanu and biafra,but mind u that kanu traveled to Kenya on his British passport yet picked up like a criminal , humiliated and smeared with his own faeces and yet nothing happened for the so called British citizen, you dont know anything about how nations function so just keep calm!

ConqueredWest:


As I said earlier, I am not on Nairaland to teach you how we will go about it.

It is a classified info

Only if you know whom I am, you think I am here for boastful kids fantasising
Immediately you mentioned building submarine I already knew you were a clowning kid

blackpanda:


Your last statement is opposite of everything u said.

For me, both ipob, ESN and other Biafra apologists are not wise at all. Y'all are playing with fire and this fire will end up consuming all of u

opposite of what exactly??

We are playing with fire? And who is the fire if I may ask??

Mind you that we don't support violent doesn't mean you should threaten us... everyone have blood running in his vein so stop all these threat..

vasel15:


No government would allow you carry AK

even when you are in the verge of been attacked??


Have you ever heard of the term self defense??

vasel15:


Applauded yes and I am not even attacking him I am just Saying the truth, he should not have created esn

he should not have created esn??


Ok maybe he should have waited till south east turn to southern kaduna or benue ..