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Re: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by OtemAtum: 9:41am On Sep 28, 2021 |
@Triplechoice, you said that abstract words don't have power, but here is what justme have to day about religion(abstract word) Jusme1: So do you agree that religion is a POWERFUL TOOL OF ENSLAVEMENT, even though it is something abstract? |
Re: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 9:54am On Sep 28, 2021 |
OtemAtum: Any kind of power comes from something. Unless you're using the word in a figurative sense, coincidence is not an object that can produce any power. There's a plausible explanation for the phenomenon displayed by pastors and witch doctors. The power of coincidence doesn't explain it all as there is no such power. If a pastor says the power of God is behind what he does and you say ,no, that it is the power of coincidence, what is the difference? Are both of you not thinking the same way and saying the same thing? Yes, I think you're |
Re: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 9:57am On Sep 28, 2021 |
OtemAtum: How is the practice of religion abstract? |
Re: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 10:28am On Sep 28, 2021 |
OtemAtum: You're deflecting now by bringing something that's not related to our discussion. Words have power but only when pronounced as sounds. The vibratory rate of the sound produced is what gives power. The expression "power of coincidence" contains a combination of words which when pronounced repeatedly will certainly results in a particular vibratory rate that will give off energy. But are you now saying that pastors and witch doctors who produced what is refer to as miracles pronounce the expression "power of coincidence" over and over again just like an hypnotist, to create effect? You can only make me agree with you if you can provide evidence that's what they are doing by repeating that expression |
Re: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by OtemAtum: 11:14am On Sep 28, 2021 |
triplechoice:Is practice a concrete now? Practice- abstract noun Religiob- abstract now So how will you call PRACTICE OF RELIGION concrete |
Re: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by OtemAtum: 11:16am On Sep 28, 2021 |
triplechoice:So now you've agreed with me that the Power of 'God' supposedly used by the pastors is actually the 'Power of Coincidence'. Now we are saying the same thing. |
Re: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 12:03pm On Sep 28, 2021 |
OtemAtum: When people practice religion we can see the physical activity they engage in . praying, singing of worship songs, attending churches or mosque and so on. So what are you talking about? |
Re: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 12:27pm On Sep 28, 2021 |
OtemAtum: I never agree with you. I am afraid you're confused. You don't understand anything about what I just explained. Nothing in your reply shows you understand a single thing. Provide evidence that people use the energy which comes from repeating the expression " power of coincidence" to create miracles or take the nonsense elsewhere. Was this your initial position? I believe you just learnt something from me along the way and want to use it to deceive yourself not me How do you know or determine that the energy which can be released from that expression when repeated has the power to create miracles. Do you know of anyone that's actually doing that? Have you tried it yourself? If anyone tries it right now would it work? You're talking nonsense and it is a shame I never wanted the discussion to degenerate into this but just can't help it now You really are a huge disappointment. Never expected this sort of deception from you. Good day and have a swell time in convincing your gullible followers that there is something like the power of coincidence which people use like any other valid source of power out there to create effect deliberately. Modified. So you mean the football results of Chelsea and Liverpool you posted was as a result of someone in the English FA pronouncing the expression " power of coincidence" over and over again? Or maybe you did. Please tell us |
Re: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 12:33pm On Sep 28, 2021 |
OtemAtum: Just look at what you did up there Why separating the words in the phrase "practice of religion" So you dont know that the meaning of a word is determined by the context in which it is used? |
Re: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by A001: 12:44pm On Sep 28, 2021 |
Lols. Otem even get time dey waste for this kind of argument. Where did the OP told anyone to be repeating any expression containing "coincidence" to manifest any wish? Lols. You just read some silly remarks on Nl and laugh... Comprehending simple statements can really be hard for some. All these petty arguments are better avoided. |
Re: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 1:02pm On Sep 28, 2021 |
A001: Did you follow the conversation at all to know what lead to that? Next time make sure understand what you're commenting on. Your friend is confused about what he thinks he knows. You look up to him and so don't expect you to know any better |
Re: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by A001: 1:10pm On Sep 28, 2021 |
triplechoice:You don't even understand your own argument. I don't look up to anyone but myself. You're very confused, merely making different things up that only exist in your imagination, not in reality. Mention where the OP told anyone to chant an expression containing "power of coincidence" to make their wish become a reality. Lols. You don't even understand many things you're posting on. |
Re: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 1:10pm On Sep 28, 2021 |
A001: If you know anything at all show me in my arguments where I said the op contains anyone repeating any expression to create effect. |
Re: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 1:11pm On Sep 28, 2021 |
A001: And show me where I said the op said anyone should repeat anything |
Re: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by A001: 1:12pm On Sep 28, 2021 |
triplechoice:You're very confused and merely saying nonsense. Read your post below again. You'll find your answer in it. triplechoice: |
Re: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 1:17pm On Sep 28, 2021 |
A001: See what I mean? Instead to take time to follow our conversation from the beginning to understand what lead to that you just jumped in at the middle. Besides ,those where questions he was expected to answer since he stupidity agreed that the expression contains power. It was why asked those questions . So keep your insults Go back and read what lead to that reply |
Re: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by A001: 1:25pm On Sep 28, 2021 |
triplechoice:Yes, he said there's a certain kind of power in nature called the power of coincidence, according to his own philosophy, which makes wishes, prayers become granted. Now, where did he tell you that people need to chant a so-called expression containing "power of coincidence" to make their wish become a reality? You're merely wasting your time on a simple issue. Any observant person knows coincidences happen a number of times in life. But there's no concrete scientific evidence why that occurs. While Otem's model or explanation looks interesting, whether it's valid or not remains to be proven scientifically to be called a statement of fact. Why are you getting worked up over a trivial issue to the extent of making different things up that only exist in your imagination just to show you're right? |
Re: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 1:34pm On Sep 28, 2021 |
A001: And you believe such a power exist? Where is the prove and how did you and himself demonstrate this power? After talking about the power of coincidence which you both claim exist in nature, you then depart from that to talk of coincidence in the ordinary sense which everyone understands and want to make it appear you're saying the same time. Both of you don't understand how the word coincidence is used. Hence your confusion Is that not evidence of confused thinking? Modified . The reason I asked if the power should be chanted is when he said words can be used like an hypnotist to create effect. Please go back and read and don't be lazy |
Re: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by A001: 1:46pm On Sep 28, 2021 |
triplechoice:You don't read to comprehend but to argue. Tell me where I told you that I believe the power of coincidence exists in nature. The problem is you've a poor understanding of English. Read the statement you quoted again. I stated my stance clearly. No need to rehash it. |
Re: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by OtemAtum: 1:53pm On Sep 28, 2021 |
triplechoice:So practising religion is now a concrete now abi |
Re: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 2:02pm On Sep 28, 2021 |
OtemAtum: Coming from someone who claims to understand English language. Big shame. is it any surprise you don't understand what the word coincidence means. "Practising" is not a verb but a concrete noun according to you? Big shame |
Re: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 2:13pm On Sep 28, 2021 |
A001: After taking my arguments out of its context, how are you expected to understand me. Go back and read from where we started. Your lord says there's something called the power of coincidence which is responsible for miraculous occurrence. I disagree with him because there is no evidence of such power. I have been holding on to that position from day one. If you have not seen that ,then thats your problem. I have been asking him what is the difference between saying the power of god is responsible and not the power of coincidence , he has refused to answer but to twist and turn to confuse himself. If he had said those occurrence are by accident or coincidental, then I would not be arguing with him. I dont know English according to you but a simple word you can't fully comprehend its meaning Big shame Modified. I even asked him if he is using the expression in the figurative sense, he refuse to answer. So what do you even understand |
Re: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by A001: 2:23pm On Sep 28, 2021 |
triplechoice:Trash. I see you've personal issues with Otem. Lols Better get your brain checked. Your imaginative power is working abnormally hence you won't be spewing tripe like "your lord". I shouldn't waste my time discussing with someone that can't understand simple expressions in English, but is busy making different fictional things up in his small mind. Asking me silly questions when anyone with an average IQ can find the answers to the questions in the posts he quoted. Talk about being mischievous and silly. Hope you settle whatever issues you have with the OP. That's your problem to deal with. |
Re: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by budaatum: 2:34pm On Sep 28, 2021 |
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Re: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by OtemAtum: 2:39pm On Sep 28, 2021 |
triplechoice: I never said practising is a noun bro. Check again and you will see that I used the 'gerund phrase' called 'Practising Religion'. Check for the meaning of 'Gerund' pls. In my context, 'Practising Religion' is a 'Noun Phrase'. And back to my statement, I was trying to establish if you meant that it is a concrete noun or not. Now back to my question, do you mean that the noun phrase 'Practising Religion' is Concrete or abstract? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 2:56pm On Sep 28, 2021 |
A001: Between the two of us who should have their brains checked. You that is so gullible to believe and follow sheepishly someone who claim to know of a spiritual cage where the imaginary gods of Allah and Jehovah locked up is saying what? I am sure you literarily believed that. I don't blame you . You can freely insult me hiding under a faceless forum .Something you dare not do face to face. I never insulted any during the course of our argument and not even you before now. So why the insults and name calling? You seem a troubled soul. It's just a matter of time. when the nonsense Otem has placed in your head starts to aberrate you, then I hope you have someone who would advise you to have your head checked at that time. This not a treat. It is what I have seen happen to other people before . You're crying more than the bereaved because it is obvious he has had your head done in. Just a matter of time. Fill your head with nonsense and you get nonsense in return. I don't have any personal Issues with Otem. But he should realize he can make mistakes and misled gullible people like you. |
Re: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 3:03pm On Sep 28, 2021 |
OtemAtum: Stick to one thing and don't turn it to an English language class . When you struggle to understand the word coincidence which budatum up there wants to make you understand better, what do you want to teach anyone about English words and meaning. You have made your disciple to start insulting with all of these. Good day bro |
Re: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by OtemAtum: 3:09pm On Sep 28, 2021 |
triplechoice: Sometimes when the ignorant ones think they are making points, we just have to leave them to their own fate. If you check all my posts, you will see that I don't shift any goalpost. I support my arguments in every aspect. If it comes in form of English Language, I defend it. If you bring it in form of science, I defend it as well. That's what you call 'not sticking to one thing?' Na wa o. So you expect me not to clarify things when you deliberately or ignorantly misquote me? That's impossible na |
Re: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by A001: 3:09pm On Sep 28, 2021 |
triplechoice:Lols, you're not making sense at all. This is such a dull post. A001:Read my quote above again, especially the highlighted parts. Maybe by the time you read it like 10 times , your 2kB IQ will finally understand the following clear statements I made: 1. Coincidences happen a number of times in life. 2. There's no scientific evidence for what what causes them. 3. Otem says coincidental occurrences are caused by the power of nature called the power of coincidence. 4. His explanation or model of how such happens looks scientific and interesting, but it's still a claim until proven by concrete evidence in science. Only a mischievous or an extremely dull person wouldn't be able to infer the following conclusions from all I've said so far. The rest of your post above is a figment of the imagination of your obtuse mind. |
Re: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by triplechoice(m): 3:22pm On Sep 28, 2021 |
A001: Calling someone dull or of a low intelligence doesn't make them that. If I were all you described ,you don't need to mention it . Others following would confirm and prove it. But as long as you're the only saying so, it means you're deluded. Now , here you are mixing up two things together and you think you're making sense. My disagreement is that there's nothing like coincidence having power to cause anything. It is as simple as that. Don't mix what you understand about coincidence which I can accept with that of the op. They are not the same |
Re: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by A001: 3:28pm On Sep 28, 2021 |
triplechoice:You're an extremely dull and mischievous person for making things up that don't exist in reality but only in your mind. I made my points clear from the start, but your mischief has beclouded your sense of reasoning. Whatever you believe about coincidence is none of my concern. |
Re: If This Happened In Religion, They Will Call It Jazz Or Miracle by budaatum: 3:31pm On Sep 28, 2021 |
OtemAtum: I can not help wonder what is wrong with you! Why would you be arguing with those who have not bothered to read what you've been writing for years now? Can people who have not read a book understand what's in a book they never read? 3 Likes |
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