thesicilian:
It started with the television which he called "the devil's box" suddenly becoming a "ministry tool".
Now it's limo rides and jets. If you ask they'll say their God is not a poor God. My question is, the poor members who donate their sweat and blood for the ministry to move forward daily, is their God a poor God?

Hmn! The life is, in all honesty not balanced.

SmellySperm:
Last week was for Toto decay...

Now I dedicate this week to pastor Kumuyi ijn

You don maaad! Ahswear

Awoo88:

When exactly did Kumuyi called TV a devil box. Did you hear this your self or your were told?
As for his pictures, is been there since the late 80s. Deeper started using his picture when it realised that the graphics representation of Jesus is not actually Jesus. Unless you have the tape of stating that or heard Kumuyi himself, you are one of the millions who bought into a wrong narrative about deeper life

Ok I heard it myself. If members and local pastor were popularly calling tv such name all over, one could maybe say it originated from the top. That’s what deeper lifers and their local assembly pastors used to call tv. Their pastors used to preach against having tv at home and called it devils box. Even pastor Kumuyi asked his church to throw away their tv. Yes that’s what they used to call it in the 80s and early 90s. Most deeper life members started throwing away their TVs. Some did sell it. Stop talking about what you don’t know. You may not be old enough to know this then. Go and ask your older church members. They will confirm my point to you. No single crusade posters used to carry pastor Kumuyi’s picture in those early days. It all just started maybe in mid 2000. The only place you could see pastor Kumuyi’s picture in the 80s or 90s were on the books he published. Not on retreat posters or crusade posters. Only Jesus picture or any other befitting graphic.

I didn’t buy into any wrong narrative about the early days of deeper life. I’m saying what I personally know. Should I shock you again? In the early days of deeper life, if you wore nice expensive cloth, bought state of the art car, the church members would started looking at you and considering you as of the “world”.

Of course things and some doctrines have changed in the church. Your best option is to ask your church elders about the church past way of life instead of arguing what you don’t understand with me.

Really

drakeli:
Ok I heard it myself. If members and local pastor were popularly calling tv such name all over, one could maybe say it originated from the top. That’s what deeper lifers and their local assembly pastors used to call tv. Their pastors used to preach against having tv at home and called it devils box. Yes that’s what they used to call it in the 80s and early 90s. Most deeper life members started throwing away their TVs. Some did sell it. Stop talking about what you don’t know. You may not be old enough to know this then. Go and ask your older church members. They will confirm my point to you. No single crusade posters used to carry pastor Kumuyi’s picture in those early days. It all just started maybe in mid 2000. The only place you could see pastor Kumuyi’s picture in the 80s or 90s were on the books he published. Not on retreat posters or crusade posters. Only Jesus picture or any other befitting graphic.

I didn’t buy into any wrong narrative about the early days of deeper life. I’m saying what I personally know. Should I shock you again? In the early days of deeper life, if you wore nice expensive cloth, bought state of the art car, the church members would started looking at you and considering you as of the “world”.

I can also attest to this in bold! the preaching back in the 80s and 90s came down from the top.

I remember from back before the toxic teachings stated coming down .we could were anything we wanted as kids and didn't need to worry much. Then suddenly, most of our Sunday clothes were no longer acceptable and the girls had to cover their hair. My mum stopped making up and wearing jewelry. She tossed all her shiny colorful outfits and started dressing in frumpy distasteful outfits.

It was troubling, and ofcourse I tried to rebel. I was eventually kicked out of junior choir for refusing to dress like the downtrodden. Lost all my friends to that nonsense as many of them chose to conform, ending our friendships so they can look the part of the deeper life people. That was when I started really wondering why God, who said He does not lie or change his mind now does that.

sometimes i wonder why people like you will be bothering about church marriages, honestly it baffles me. the only marriage Jesus Christ attended in the Bible was a traditional marriage and na there our LORD JESUS perform his first miracle. so why not force ur energy and resources to d traditional marriage and enter house quietly dan allow one man wy him marry his wife traditionally before God called him (if nor be him call god) to stress you mentally and oda wise

Kelvin30286063:
Many of the people spreading propagandas about Deeper life are outsiders who don't know Jack about the doctrines of the church. I was born into deeper life and aside from those old days, deeper life have moved on from many of those. But many outsiders keep spreading the old doctrines.

He is having a program in Abuja, for all you know, his members may have arranged for the vehicle that will pick him at the airport.
In all, I don't think anyone should have a problem with how another person chose to spend his own money as long as he made it legitimately. And he never said his members shouldn't have a life. If you attend deeper camp programs, you will see the kind of cars the pastors drive.
There are just too many lies about the church and most of them are circulated by outsiders like you who have zero knowledge of happenings within the church.
They said deeper life members don't use TV, yet if you go to deeper church, you will see that every single deeper life church has a TV in it. Infact, it's compulsory. My dad is a pastor at deeper life yet he has a 55 inch plasma TV at home. Why is he not suspended yet?
They said the church has a ridiculous marriage doctrines yet Redeemed have tougher marriage doctrines and no one is talking about it. I married my wife in a Redeemed church and I know what we went through. Even as a deeper life member, I found it annoying at a point! I mean that church rejected her wedding dress 5 times. If it was deeper life, people will start talking.

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Forget all those mentally derailed poor thinking Christians who feel they are to suffer here and enjoy in heaven they the ones crying the most

zombieHUNTER:


Nice to meet your acquaintance..
I'm a victim.. just like you
Because of the hardship and suffering around us.

You can agree with me that mother nature blessed this country tremendously.. and it's an anomaly that's she's the poverty capital of the world..
It's not about self.. it's about us as a people

Mbok I'm not a victim like u oo
Talk 4 yourself

LordIsaac:
Well....he's deserving of it. Things have changed though, I must confess.

He's sharpening up just like TB Joshua did, while his followers that read the Bible upside down are becoming more and more mumuish.

Those who have eyes let them see!

thesicilian:
It started with the television which he called "the devil's box" suddenly becoming a "ministry tool".
Now it's limo rides and jets. If you ask they'll say their God is not a poor God. My question is, the poor members who donate their sweat and blood for the ministry to move forward daily, is their God a poor God?

you no get sense at all

thesicilian:
It started with the television which he called "the devil's box" suddenly becoming a "ministry tool".
Now it's limo rides and jets. If you ask they'll say their God is not a poor God. My question is, the poor members who donate their sweat and blood for the ministry to move forward daily, is their God a poor God?

And you think they use people's offerings to get the limo? Or you assume his church members are poor not to be able to afford a limo for airport pickup.

xeju:

Then I can assume you weren't deeper life members of the 80s and the early 90s. Your family is the new generation hip-hop deeper life family or you yourself lack a coherent understanding of the original deeper life doctrines before the the modern alterations/modifications

I said I was born into deeper life and I'm 33 years old. What 80s are you talking about?

Kelvin30286063:

I said I was born into deeper life and I'm 33 years old. What 80s are you talking about?

Obviously, you were not old enough to remember the 80s and 90s when the church went from being free to implementing restrictive doctrines that change the lives of all those who fellowshipped there , claiming it did so in the name of God.

Ask your parents instead and they can shed, hopefully an honest life on it for you.

Kelvin30286063:

I said I was born into deeper life and I'm 33 years old. What 80s are you talking about?

Dude. You were born in 1988. You never new you existed until mid 90s let alone knowing at that point in time what deeper life used to be like. Consult older members of your church for enlightenment

I even heard the airline owns the limo,that's it's for very important customers

Kelvin30286063:
Many of the people spreading propagandas about Deeper life are outsiders who don't know Jack about the doctrines of the church. I was born into deeper life and aside from those old days, deeper life have moved on from many of those. But many outsiders keep spreading the old doctrines.

He is having a program in Abuja, for all you know, his members may have arranged for the vehicle that will pick him at the airport.
In all, I don't think anyone should have a problem with how another person chose to spend his own money as long as he made it legitimately. And he never said his members shouldn't have a life. If you attend deeper camp programs, you will see the kind of cars the pastors drive.
There are just too many lies about the church and most of them are circulated by outsiders like you who have zero knowledge of happenings within the church.
They said deeper life members don't use TV, yet if you go to deeper church, you will see that every single deeper life church has a TV in it. Infact, it's compulsory. My dad is a pastor at deeper life yet he has a 55 inch plasma TV at home. Why is he not suspended yet?
They said the church has a ridiculous marriage doctrines yet Redeemed have tougher marriage doctrines and no one is talking about it. I married my wife in a Redeemed church and I know what we went through. Even as a deeper life member, I found it annoying at a point! I mean that church rejected her wedding dress 5 times. If it was deeper life, people will start talking.

drakeli:
Dude. You were born in 1988. You never new you existed until mid 90s let alone knowing at that point in time what deeper life used to be like. Consult older members of your church for enlightenment

The real question is how many people had TV in the 90s. Don't be ridiculous.

Kelvin30286063:

The real question is how many people had TV in the 90s. Don't be ridiculous.

What you asked is instead a very stewpid question.

Eejit-level stewpid question.

slawormiir:
Damnnn niggar
Isoright...

I pity gullible followers of these god of men

You're actually the one who should be pitied, with your impetuous lifestyle you keep displaying here with pride.

OMG this bloody capitalist pastor had made so many families poor with his doctrine now see him on limo.... I fear Christianity so so deceptive....

Kelvin30286063:

The real question is how many people had TV in the 90s. Don't be ridiculous.

How many people had tv in the 90s? Are you kidding me? You must be as poor as a church rat if you could not even afford a 12 inches black and white tv even in the 80s. Everything was even more affordable than it is in 2021. I grew up watching the same wooden box tv my uneducated artisan dad bought in the 70s as a young boy and my dad did not even have enough money. Every working class person and civil servant I knew growing up had black and white tv. I think I should be the one to ask you not to be ridiculous. Well… I don’t know which part of the country you grew up. Maybe it’s in sambisa

Aphroditee:
cowbell521 you didn't see the full post before

I know his type. He is an Idiot. Lol. E shud drop D name of his imaginary boy's quarter care. I don't have his time again jare. Preparing 4 2maro

michoim:
What's all the ranting about? The Limousine may not even be his personal ride( though I believe he can afford it at his level); some of his influential church members may just feel like doing him a honour and brought out such a ride to go pick him up from the airport...

Sir, he can't personally afford it. In fact his children know that their father has nothing.

drakeli:


How many people had tv in the 90s? Are you kidding me? You must be as poor as a church rat if you could not even afford a 12 inches black and white tv even in the 80s. Everything was even more affordable than it is in 2021. I grew up watching the same wooden box tv my uneducated artisan dad bought in the 70s as a young boy and my dad did not even have enough money. Every working class person and civil servant I knew growing up had black and white tv. I think I should be the one to ask you not to be ridiculous. Well… I don’t know which part of the country you grew up. Maybe it’s in sambisa

You had to insult me. Shows how immature you are. Even for your age.
I still maintain my statement. How many people can afford a TV in the 80s.

Kelvin30286063:

You had to insult me. Shows how immature you are. Even for your age.
I still maintain my statement. How many people can afford a TV in the 80s.

About how many people could afford tv. I think I have given you my answer to that. Only poor people could not. Not everyday working class people and civil servants. Besides, deeper life members were some of the most educated Nigerian Christians right from the beginning. They had and still have some of the largest number of civil servant members . How come they would not be able to afford a tv? I don’t understand. I didn’t insult you

Cowbell521:
There u go... Now I am a fraudster bcuz U see U no fit compare ursef with me in terms of money and power. FYI, I own a business here. What do you do in the UK? Work for who and who? You are just a product of modern slavery.

Drop ur passport number and I promise 2 make U regret making dis statement. Especially if U dey illegal. Even 4 UK, I fit give U ur size

Note: Na D right governmental authority go handle ur case Ooh. Cuz pipu like U fit be member of one of those dirty UK street gangs.

I know people like you very well. I have met and associated with some of them in the past. They bragged in abstract world like this forum while in reality church rats are richer than them.

The way you have been singing living in Abuja and riding VIP lounge twice in every of your comments tells either one of these two things about you:
1. Someone that has nothing in reality or
2. This is your first time of living affluent lifestyle.

The worst of all is saying you are better than someone you haven't met in reality. That is A-graded myopic foolishness laced with stupidity!

Enyimbamercedes:


Did I write anywhere that the car belongs to him? All I said was he should ride on a donkey.

And what’s with the whole living in Abuja and entering VIP lounge twice? Are you that desperate to prove that you know what you are saying? Okay, I live in Abuja as well, I have not only entered the VIP lounge more than twice but I’ve flown private jets at least 4 times. I’m currently in UK where I’ve come to welcome my first child and I flew out on BA business class!

Don’t always be quick to wag your Willy!! Some people have bigger willies

Leave that village idiot! He no get shin gbain!

Cowbell521:
Mumu Idiot. 4 ur dream. Den u suppose know that Limousine if U dey talk truth. Idiot! U are not bigger than me.. I know my seniors when I see them. When u dey come back? Cuz I know you dey lie. But I fit ask my driver to pick u and ur wife and baby and drop you guys off at your place. Just want to know D kind liar u be. Mumu

You are just a foolish braggart!

TheGift:


I am always amused by people on Nairaland bragging to people they don’t know, who may even see their so called achievements as mediocre. People like you , bragging about living in Abuja and going into VIP lounge. Such small mindedness.

Infinitesimal mindedness...

Na wa ooo

Kingstanding:
. I laughed in Chinese. You want me to drop my passport number, isn't? You must be crazy. For your information. Without knowing me and you have concluded that you're richer than I do, oh my goodness. You're a typical Nigerian. You don't know me and you just made the conclusion of getting richer than I do,infact stupidity is your surname. I'm damn sure you're into illegal business in Nigeria. For your information I have a care home in UK which I'm the director of my business. My username is kingstanding is the area I reside in Birmingham city, West Midland. When you get to Birmingham city take bus number 33 or 32 tell the bus driver you will stop at the last bus stop. Just ask of me from anyone that you see. Idiot man.

Don't mind the village idiot!

drakeli:
Ok[b] I heard it myself. [/b]

When did you hear this statement? If you can tell when and where you heard that statement, Then you are not following a brainless narrative. I grow through Deeper Life from children's church through to campus till now. Ohoo yes!!! We had (still have) some overzealous members who claim to be more catholic than the pope. I once had an encounter with a campus coordinator who claims football fans are fanatics worshiping idols. everything you wrote is just the classic anti-DL rhetoric. no single truth to it. I was watching Voltron and tales by moonlight as a kid, I watched ultimate power and Koto oron. The classic gospel of deeper Life in the 80s and 90s even up till today is following peace and holiness without which no man shall see the Lord. And if watching Tv will cost you that, don't watch!!! Not that tv is a devil box. There are people who will not accept you reading the bible from your phone. Even people who will not stand you reading from any other version of the Bible except KJV. Using those ones to judge DL as a church is been rigorously dishonest

Awoo88:
When did you hear this statement? If you can tell when and where you heard that statement, Then you are not following a brainless narrative. I grow through Deeper Life from children's church through to campus till now. Ohoo yes!!! We had (still have) some overzealous members who claim to be more catholic than the pope. I once had an encounter with a campus coordinator who claims football fans are fanatics worshiping idols. everything you wrote is just the classic anti-DL rhetoric. no single truth to it. I was watching Voltron and tales by moonlight as a kid, I watched ultimate power and Koto oron. The classic gospel of deeper Life in the 80s and 90s even up till today is following peace and holiness without which no man shall see the Lord. And if watching Tv will cost you that, don't watch!!! Not that tv is a devil box. There are people who will not accept you reading the bible from your phone. Even people who will not stand you reading from any other version of the Bible except KJV. Using those ones to judge DL as a church is been rigorously dishonest

Let me guess, you were born in 1988 and you somehow think then you can tell those who were already in secondary school in the 80s and early 90s that they don't know what they are talking about?

I wasn't born in deeper life and many of us were there before the transformation of deeper life to what you were born into and are now used to happened.

You are desperate to rewrite history, this is for the sake of a doctrine that is not of God but of man and you think God will reward you for these lies? Come on! You all can't can't that stewpid and deceived.