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Once Saved Forever Saved by ochibuogwu5: 9:58pm On Oct 19, 2021
"There is a different between “can” and “should”. To say a believer cannot lose his salvation is not true, but he should not lose his salvation. There is a man’s part in the receiving of salvation, it’s not all dependent on God. If everything were all dependent on God, we would have been in paradise the very day Jesus rose from the dead. There wouldn’t be need for preaching, evangelism and churches, because Jesus did a perfect work and finished it. Why do people still die and go to hell? Salvation has to be received! Receiving salvation involves the act of your will, and you don’t lose your will power after receiving salvation. Jesus respects human will, and will not force His will on anybody. You should NOT lose your salvation because it has been eternally procured, but you don’t lose the ability to walk away from Jesus and go to hell if you choose to. Unfortunately, lots of believers make that poor choice, die and go to hell." (Delison Tanko)

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Re: Once Saved Forever Saved by ochibuogwu5: 12:23am On Oct 20, 2021
A believer still has a free-will even after receiving salvation. With a free-will, a human being can choose to continue submitting to Christ's Lordship within His soul, spirit and body or choose to walkaway.
The work of God for human salvation is eternal, perfect and complete; As God through the power of this New Creation Life, He can sustain any believer till the end without sin/spot/blemish/wrinkle/stain if such a person submits his/her will to the Holy Spirit control.
It is important to note that as long as a human being still has free-will on this earth; he/she can choose to remain in Christ or walk-away thus "Jesus told the jews who had believed in HIM, if you continue in my word, you are my disciples INDEED, you will know the truth and the truth will set you free" (John 8:31-32), and "Jesus also stated that it is those who persevere to the end that will be saved" (Matthew 24:13)

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Re: Once Saved Forever Saved by Kobojunkie: 5:15pm On Oct 20, 2021
ochibuogwu5:
1. "There is a different between “can” and “should”. To say a believer cannot lose his salvation is not true, but he should not lose his salvation. There is a man’s part in the receiving of salvation, it’s not all dependent on God. If everything were all dependent on God, we would have been in paradise the very day Jesus rose from the dead.

2..There wouldn’t be need for preaching, evangelism and churches, because Jesus did a perfect work and finished it. Why do people still die and go to hell? Salvation has to be received! Receiving salvation involves the act of your will, and you don’t lose your will power after receiving salvation. Jesus respects human will, and will not force His will on anybody. You should NOT lose your salvation because it has been eternally procured, but you don’t lose the ability to walk away from Jesus and go to hell if you choose to.
3. Unfortunately, lots of believers make that poor choice, die and go to hell." (Delison Tanko)
I am afraid your Delision Tanko needs to go read the Gospels rather than continue to give in to the doctrines and traditions of men and their churches.

1. jesus Christ made it clear that to receive Salvation from the condemnation of sin(not to be confused with sin), and enter into the Kingdom, one indeed must step out of self to do at least some of what commands of him through Jesus Christ - John 3 vs 1 - 21 . Only those who do this are saved from perishing in the grave and gifted with eternal life. undecided

2. According to Jesus Christ's own teachings ,the broad gate that leads to hell is a part of the Kingdom of God - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14 - and only those who are saved from the condemnation of Sin(perishing in the grave) aka are born-again can enter into the Kingdom of God - John 3 vs 1 - 8. So it isn't enough to to saved from the condemnation of sin(Death) as one has to strive to enter into through the Narrow Gate and not the broad gate as Jesus Christ commanded - Luke 13 vs 24. , this since salvation from the condemnation of sin(Death) only guarantees eternal life to all those who believe regardless of which door they enter into the Kingdom of God through. undecided

3. Ignorance of the Truth(Jesus Christ) is the reason why many who believe - are saved from the condemnation of sin(Death) - will instead end up in Hell. undecided
Re: Once Saved Forever Saved by Bishopkingsley(m): 6:23pm On Oct 20, 2021
Take out time to study what it really means to give your life to Jesus

Find out why we become slaves of Jesus after we give our life to him

Find out what or who is greater than our hearts our will in the Bible

Find out if any creature is outside of God's will God's control

That is why you preach the wrong things

You better accept that God controls everything instead of preaching the wrong thing
Re: Once Saved Forever Saved by Kobojunkie: 7:26pm On Oct 20, 2021
ochibuogwu5:
A believer still has a free-will even after receiving salvation. With a free-will, a human being can choose to continue submitting to Christ's Lordship within His soul, spirit and body or choose to walkaway.
The work of God for human salvation is eternal, perfect and complete; As God through the power of this New Creation Life, He can sustain any believer till the end without sin/spot/blemish/wrinkle/stain if such a person submits his/her will to the Holy Spirit control.
It is important to note that as long as a human being still has free-will on this earth; he/she can choose to remain in Christ or walk-away thus "Jesus told the jews who had believed in HIM, if you continue in my word, you are my disciples INDEED, you will know the truth and the truth will set you free" (John 8:31-32), and "Jesus also stated that it is those who persevere to the end that will be saved" (Matthew 24:13)
When reading the Bible, try to pay attention to context in order not to loose the message that is contained for you to grasp. undecided

John 8 vs 31 - 44 explained that only those know the Truth (Jesus Christ) will be set free from slavery to sin and become Sons of God - saved from eternal damnation which is what awaits those who father is the devil. That passage is speaking of how even those who believe are not all guaranteed Sonship for you see even those whose father is the devil also believe. However only those who believe and know the Truth- continually submit to and obey the teachings of Jesus Christ, the Truth, are set free from slavery to sin and become Sons of God - these are those vessels that are become holy and acceptable vessels for the Spirit of God to inhabit- John 14 vs 15 - 25 undecided

Matthew 24 vs 9 -14, if you pay attention, speaks not of unbelievers, those who already believe, being saved from destruction. undecided

According to Jesus Christ, all those who believe are redeemed/saved from perishing in the grave and are entered into the Kingdom of God either through the broad gate or the narrow Gate- Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14. Those who believe cannot go back to being condemned again or have the eternal Life they were given revoked. Jesus Christ more than made this clear when He stated that He has not come to condemn but to save. However, those who believe but enter the Kingdom through the broad gate are at risk of spending eternal life in destruction if they continue down the same path. undecided

It is key to first disconnect from the doctrines and traditions of men and their churches in order to fully the truth of Jesus Christ or else all is in vain. undecided
Re: Once Saved Forever Saved by hupernikao: 9:55pm On Oct 20, 2021
ochibuogwu5:
"There is a different between “can” and “should”. To say a believer cannot lose his salvation is not true, but he should not lose his salvation. There is a man’s part in the receiving of salvation, it’s not all dependent on God. If everything were all dependent on God, we would have been in paradise the very day Jesus rose from the dead. There wouldn’t be need for preaching, evangelism and churches, because Jesus did a perfect work and finished it. Why do people still die and go to hell? Salvation has to be received! Receiving salvation involves the act of your will, and you don’t lose your will power after receiving salvation. Jesus respects human will, and will not force His will on anybody. You should NOT lose your salvation because it has been eternally procured, but you don’t lose the ability to walk away from Jesus and go to hell if you choose to. Unfortunately, lots of believers make that poor choice, die and go to hell." (Delison Tanko)

Just for further study.
Have you considered the angle where life was first pointed out in the scriptures. The angle of Adam in the garden.

Would Adam WILL be able to make him loose afterwards the life received, if he has partaken from the life (tree of life). Would there be anything that will make him lose that life?

Put into consideration what God said,

... that he (Adam) even in his current state will live forever if he has access to "tree of life". That is, irrespective of his action afterwards, that "fruit" will provide life eternal to him.

I guess that's what set the pace of life eternal in the scriptures. This might be an interesting study.

But personally, I love to keep by the side ways in this type of topic.
Re: Once Saved Forever Saved by Bishopkingsley(m): 10:06pm On Oct 20, 2021
hupernikao:


Just for further study.
Have you considered the angle where life was first pointed out in the scriptures. The angle of Adam in the garden.

Would Adam WILL be able to make him loose afterwards the life received, if he has partaken from the life (tree of life). Would there be anything that will make him lose that life?

Put into consideration what God said,

... that he (Adam) even in his current state will live forever if he has access to "tree of life". That is, irrespective of his action afterwards, that "fruit" will provide life eternal to him.

I guess that's what set the pace of life eternal in the scriptures. This might be an interesting study.

But personally, I love to keep by the side ways in this type of topic.

You said plane truth so you don't need to stay by the side way because he doesn't understand Bible properly that is why he uses sense to understand Bible He doesn't understand the way spiritual life is

God already shows that Jesus is that tree of life in which whoever eats from him will live forever

But many fail to understand the truth they think human will is outside God plans

What a pity

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