tctrills:

Oh I get. You are not the best person for my question

Dtruthspeaker:


By that reason since one man somewhere had stolen, it is time to be suspicious of every man of being a thief.

It's all right, it is how you choose to live your life. I prefer The Just Law which says "In the absence of bad faith, good faith must be presumed"

And this is clearly bad faith enquiry as I have seen you undertake.

Sasuke007:

The world has evolved
but some parents didn't
accept change
follow change and that verse isn't wrong
it's parents of these days that's wrong

MaxInDHouse:
God's word says training a child can be compared to building a house or guarding a city! Psalms 127:1-2
Then training them is like when a powerful archer handles a bow with an arrow, to reach the target he needs 100% concentration as in no distractions, then pull the bow with the last of his strength before releasing the arrow, for a certainty the arrow can never miss the desired target, even if it's not 100% the result will be 99.99999999% Psalms 127:3-5

That's what God's word says about training up a child!

tctrills:

So your point is that training kids need perfection, no mistakes?
I again disagree. Parents don't have to be perfect to have good kids

tctrills:

Explain please

PureStarman:

The world is civilized
Children of these days are different from that of then
So change your ways of training them and the Bible verse is perpetual
If a kid offends u tell me and I'll tell you amazing ways to correct the kid.

MaxInDHouse:


No you got it wrong!
It's not about perfection but giving your best as if you're handling a project on which the survival of the entire human race depends!

You don't have to be perfect to do that, all you need is dedication with trust in God who will direct you through His word, organization and Holy Spirit to be successful in the task.
You have to see the children as God's possession given to you as employed caretaker! Psalms 127:3

tctrills:

So it's not 100% like you said 70% might just do.
Do you think Abraham, Jacob, Joseph, Samuel, David and even Mary the mother of Jesus were awful parents?

MaxInDHouse:


100% simply means the best a parent can give i'm not talking about perfection but 100% concentration so that you will not be distracted.
All these people you mentioned got distracted because they believe in the children as their possessions not how God wants them to view the children which is God's possession!

tctrills:

Lol.. you know it's beginning to sound like an impossible riddle. These are some of the very best men to ever walk the earth and they found it impossible to train kids.
It's like a divine comedy.
The Bible discribes Abraham as a perfect men yet he is too distracted to raise his first son. It got to bad that he sent the boy and mother into the desert to die.
Finally, the bible never claimed aNY of these people got distracted so it would have been fair if you said it is your personal opinion and nothe necessarily a gospel truth.

MaxInDHouse:


They worshiped God and succeeded in making friends with him but regarding parenthood the did not get things right!
First of all training a child is like following Jesus' teachings, you don't need to have biological children before training them in God's way. Most people don't want their children to be too much spiritual so they often mix things unlike Jesus who taught his own spiritual children 100% spirituality. Only Judas Iscariot lost out not because he didn't want to continue in the things Jesus taught him but his conscience will not permit him to continue living seeing how woefully he failed despite all what their spiritual father taught them!

tctrills:

3 things here.
You are still assuming that they were awful parents. I have no problem with people making assumptions but at least you need to note that it's your personal opinion before someone quotes you thinking he is quoting the bible.
Also, you brought up Judas. Don't you think there are children who were well taught but like Judas, they don't want to continue with the teachings of their parents.

Finally if the parents are always to blame then no child should be punished for his sins. Parents should be punished for the sins of their kids

MaxInDHouse:

Judas committed a grievous blunder and he felt so bad afterwards meaning Jesus' teachings is still at work in this guys heart despite his errors. Had it been he is able to return and beg Jesus for forgiveness Judas would have returned, but it was too late because he saw Jesus killed due to the blunder he committed.
So do not compare children who has no conscience with Judas!


Both share the blame but when the parent tries to train the child God doesn't take the child's error to the parent, what God's word is saying is that you can succeed in raising God-fearing children if you follow the protocols set in Deuteronomy 6:4-9

tctrills:

You are wrong by my reason, if one man has stolen, I would be suspicious of that man not all men.

tctrills:

From your Judas example, we that it was possible for one of Jesus Christ apostles to fall away despite all the teaches.. how much more easier would it be for the child of an ordinary man to fall away even if he is taught the right.
One more thing, we all are God's children according to the bible. I am sure God has done all he can to save everyone of us. If at the last day, all of God's children wouldn't be saved despite all he has done for them, then why do you expect a better result from ordinary humans.

Dtruthspeaker:


See your somersault!

You clearly said
"if you can't trust one verse, (obviously because the verse was a thief), you become suspicious of other verses. (the other remaining thieves).

Now, you are saying you would only be suspicious "of that man" (verse) and "not all men" (other verses).

No wahala.

MaxInDHouse:


Well Jesus disagree with the highlighted:

You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie. John 8:44

So will you like to know what Jesus meant by the above statement or you still think everyone is God's children?
Judas committed a grievous blunder and his conscience really works that's why he opted for suicide, those that paid him to betray Jesus are never God's children!

MaxInDHouse:

Judas committed a grievous blunder and he felt so bad afterwards meaning Jesus' teachings is still at work in this guys heart despite his errors. Had it been he is able to return and beg Jesus for forgiveness Judas would have returned, but it was too late because he saw Jesus killed due to the blunder he committed.
So do not compare children who has no conscience with Judas!


Both share the blame but when the parent tries to train the child God doesn't take the child's error to the parent, what God's word is saying is that you can succeed in raising God-fearing children if you follow the protocols set in Deuteronomy 6:4-9

tctrills:

Acts 17. 26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

Malachi 2. 10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?

Ephsians 4. 6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all

LordReed:

And the protocols set in Deuteronomy 21 to kill disobedient children should also be followed right?

MaxInDHouse:


Can you explain what Jesus meant @ John 8:44?

tctrills:
I was expecting you to do the explaining since you quoted it. I only added other bible verses to make it easier for you

MaxInDHouse:


Well Jesus knew that all humans and spirits came into existence because God created us but only those who are doing His will God refer to as His children:

They are the ones who have acted corruptly. They are not his children, the defect is their own. They are a crooked and twisted generation Deuteronomy 32:5

Woe to the sinful nation, The people weighed down with error, A brood of wicked men, corrupt children! They have abandoned Jehovah; They have treated the Holy One of Israel with disrespect; They have turned their backs on him. Isaiah 1:4

That's why Jesus could declare humans as "Satan's Children" because they choose to be so!
So in one part of the scripture, all are his children and another part says some are the children of the devil. Funny enough you choose to believe the verses that say some are children of the devil and you neglect the verses that teach that all mankind are the children of God. For me, I believe the 2 verses. We are all children of God as the bible says but some have given themselves to the devil.

MaxInDHouse:


That should be followed if the human society in which we live today are using that same laws. God rescued a whole nation and set up that constitution for them but today there's no nation following that law. So it's only amongst true Christians that children who chooses to abandon the teachings of their parents are shunned globally by all members of the true Christian family.
For your information that's why most people are saying Jehovah's Witnesses are wicked because any child that goes against the rules of our God will be disfellowshiped meaning no Jehovah's Witnesses throughout the earth will say a word to him/her just as if we have pelted such a person to death!

MaxInDHouse:


Well Jesus knew that all humans and spirits came into existence because God created us but only those who are doing His will God refer to as His children:

They are the ones who have acted corruptly. They are not his children, the defect is their own. They are a crooked and twisted generation Deuteronomy 32:5

Woe to the sinful nation, The people weighed down with error, A brood of wicked men, corrupt children! They have abandoned Jehovah; They have treated the Holy One of Israel with disrespect; They have turned their backs on him. Isaiah 1:4

That's why Jesus could declare humans as "Satan's Children" because they choose to be so!

LordReed:

LMFAO! So you consider killing children for disobedience just and good? Bwahahahahaha!
Besides you gotta love how you people selectively obey your bible that you say your god gave you. LMFAO!

tctrills:
So both of us are correct someone can be an offspring of God and at the same time a child of satan unless he is born again.

MaxInDHouse:


Satan himself was God's son but whoever chooses to become a rebel God will condemn the same way He condemned Satan!

tctrills:
You are right there but when Paul says all mankind are children of God, he meant both the believers and unbelievers.

MaxInDHouse:

Paul said so to encourage his fellow believers to try as much as possible to reach all kinds of people with the Good News of God's kingdom just as Jehovah's Witnesses are doing today.
But the truth is that we will find God's children who will accept the message in all nations of the earth meanwhile before they accept the message God doesn't see them as children:


"He came to his own home, but his own people did not accept him. However, to all who did receive him, he gave authority to become God’s children, because they were exercising faith in his name" John 1:11-12

According to the highlighted it's evident that it's only those who accept the message of God's kingdom that God welcomes as His children not everyone!