alj_harem:

@op

according to my sources, he is not yet the asiwaju of yorubaland

2 you are absolutely correct about tinubu, area father

RoadStar:

My point is not if he is Asiwaju or not.
My point is, do the yorubas really need as Asiwaju, should they continue in their old ways and attitudes which almost always leads to a disaster of some sort.

Times have long changed since the days of Awo, we should be able to learn from the mistakes of the past and not keep reliving them.

RoadStar:

DE JA VU: POLITICAL RACALITY IN THE SW. ANOTHER IMPENDING DISASTER

I have personally observed with caution all the excitement coming from the SW on the sweeping of the region by the ACN lead by Bola Tinubu.
Even though on face value, this will seem to be a positive development, I have reason to be cautious and fearful of another political disaster in the SW.
The Yorubas have had a history of political racality, which is well known throughout Nigeria. Sanusi Lamido Sanusi, the erstwhile governor of the CBN used the word "Area Boys" to refer to their politicians. GEJ was even more direct when he referred to their politicians as "Rascals" a term I feel most describes the political class in that region of the country.
I will start by stating that a sweep of Yoruba states by a Yoruba dominated party is not new. As a matter of fact we have had one in every era of our democratic dispensation namely:
Action Group (1960 - 1966)
UPN (1979 - 1983)
AD (1999 - 2003)
ACN (2011 - ?)
These eras started with a sense of unity which led to a powerful centre with tremendous powers vested on one individual and then follows the power struggle mostly by an opposition led by the second in command.
Action Group Awo vs Akintola
AD Adesanya vs Bola Ige
ACN Tinubu vs ?
These have all led to catastrophic endings like the political unrest in the 1960s which culminated Nigeria’s first state of emergency, Nigeria’s First Military Coup and in 2001 led to Nigeria’s First state assassination.
Another reason why I'm even more fearful is that none of the old habits seem to have subsided and the personalities at the helm of affair are even more rascal than previous politicians.
Let us look at one individual, the most powerful man in ACN, the Godfather of SW politics and the Asiwaju of Yoruba land. Chief Ahmed Bola Tinubu. This Guy is no Awo or Bola Ige. While Awo and Bola were unionists, intellectual and well educated lawyers, Bola became governor on the back of forged academic credentials and political thuggery.
Tinubu is also a highly divisive figure, his spats include the well publisized one with his deputy Akerele-Buknor and even of recent his successor, the widely applauded Gov Fashola, and he is credited with sinking the final nail that destroyed whatever remained of[b] AD/Afenifere era[/b]. This guy alone is a keg of gunpowder, he is not a rascal politician but a pure rascal, he epitomises SLS use of the word AREA BOY, as he has a history of being one, something he openly professes till date. He is corrupt, and using his political clout to avoid allegations of corruption charges levelled against him. He is politically cynical.
It is also shocking, hugely disappointing shameful that at this day and age, this guy is the widely acclaimed leader of the SW/YORUBAS. The best of the best in Yoruba land. Are we really going forwards or backwards in this country?

Obiagu1:


Good one.

I've been wondering what's so juicy in being an opposition?
What are the benefits? I'll finally get the answer in maybe 2019.

*** Till Watching With Curiosity ***

Obiagu1:


Good one.

[b]I've been wondering what's so juicy in being an opposition?
What are the benefits? [/b]I'll finally get the answer in maybe 2019.

*** Till Watching With Curiosity ***

RoadStar:

there are abolutely no benefits as per say.
Because there will always be traitors from within.

People who will want to takeover by gaining influence by cosing up with the goverment in power.
See Akintola, Bola Ige

And as u know GEJ never really liked Tinubu.

RoadStar:

DE JA VU: POLITICAL RACALITY IN THE SW. ANOTHER IMPENDING DISASTER

I have personally observed with caution all the excitement coming from the SW on the sweeping of the region by the ACN lead by Bola Tinubu.
Even though on face value, this will seem to be a positive development, I have reason to be cautious and fearful of another political disaster in the SW.
The Yorubas have had a history of political racality, which is well known throughout Nigeria. Sanusi Lamido Sanusi, the erstwhile governor of the CBN used the word "Area Boys" to refer to their politicians. GEJ was even more direct when he referred to their politicians as "Rascals" a term I feel most describes the political class in that region of the country.
I will start by stating that a sweep of Yoruba states by a Yoruba dominated party is not new. As a matter of fact we have had one in every era of our democratic dispensation namely:
Action Group (1960 - 1966)
UPN (1979 - 1983)
AD (1999 - 2003)
ACN (2011 - ?)
These eras started with a sense of unity which led to a powerful centre with tremendous powers vested on one individual and then follows the power struggle mostly by an opposition led by the second in command.
Action Group Awo vs Akintola
AD Adesanya vs Bola Ige
ACN Tinubu vs ?
[size=16pt]These have all led to catastrophic endings like the [b]political unrest in the 1960s which culminated Nigeria’s first state of emergency, Nigeria’s First Military Coup [/size]and in 2001 led to Nigeria’s First state assassination.[/b]
Another reason why I'm even more fearful is that none of the old habits seem to have subsided and the personalities at the helm of affair are even more rascal than previous politicians.
Let us look at one individual, the most powerful man in ACN, the Godfather of SW politics and the Asiwaju of Yoruba land. Chief Ahmed Bola Tinubu. This Guy is no Awo or Bola Ige. While Awo and Bola were unionists, intellectual and well educated lawyers, Bola became governor on the back of forged academic credentials and political thuggery.
Tinubu is also a highly divisive figure, his spats include the well publisized one with his deputy Akerele-Buknor and even of recent his successor, the widely applauded Gov Fashola, and he is credited with sinking the final nail that destroyed whatever remained of[b] AD/Afenifere era[/b]. This guy alone is a keg of gunpowder, he is not a rascal politician but a pure rascal, he epitomises SLS use of the word AREA BOY, as he has a history of being one, something he openly professes till date. He is corrupt, and using his political clout to avoid allegations of corruption charges levelled against him. He is politically cynical.
It is also shocking, hugely disappointing shameful that at this day and age, this guy is the widely acclaimed leader of the SW/YORUBAS. The best of the best in Yoruba land. Are we really going forwards or backwards in this country?

alj_harem:

very good question

even[b] the SW people don't like tinubu[/b]

fashola as well

Katsumoto:

How did you reach the conclusion that the events in the West led to the first coup? Now you want to blame the actions of a group of predominantly Igbo sons who proceeded on ethnic cleansing on events in the Western House?

Secondly, are you aware that there were far more violent actions in the North and East that did not lead to states of emergency being declared simply because the North and the East were in power?

[b]What is with this fixation with Tinubu? [/b]Why are some of you so bent on taking panadol for another man's headache? How is it really your business, whom the people of the SW decide to vote for? You make it seem as if there is better leadership in other parts of the country. The people of the SW decided to get rid of PDP from their zone and Tinubu provided the means; why the angst from the East? 

You started the thread; [b]you had better bring your A game [/b]and none of that emotional BS we get from some of you.

Obiagu1:


Good one.

I've been wondering what's so juicy in being an opposition?
What are the benefits? I'll finally get the answer in maybe 2019.

*** Till Watching With Curiosity ***

Pukkah:

Some questions for you:

1. What is democracy without opposition?

2. What are the benefits of not being opposition in a Federal system of government? or,

3. What are the disadvantages of being in opposition? What do you lose by being in opposition?

4. Are there no advantages of being in opposition?

Obiagu1:


Good one.

I've been wondering what's so juicy in being an opposition?
What are the benefits? I'll finally get the answer in maybe 2019.

*** Till Watching With Curiosity ***

RoadStar:

It is not about belonging to the opposition but the quality of the opposition.

Rascals and riff-raffs as opposition is not the kind of opposition we need at the moment !

Pukkah:

Some questions for you:

1. What is democracy without opposition?

2. What are the benefits of not being opposition in a Federal system of government? or,

3. What are the disadvantages of being in opposition? What do you lose by being in opposition?

4. Are there no advantages of being in opposition?

RoadStar:

Action Group (1960 - 1966)
UPN (1979 - 1983)
AD (1999 - 2003)
ACN (2011 - ?)
These eras started with a sense of unity which led to a powerful centre with tremendous powers vested on one individual and then follows the power struggle mostly by an opposition led by the second in command.
Action Group Awo vs Akintola
AD Adesanya vs Bola Ige
ACN Tinubu vs

Pukkah:

If I agree with you for a moment, what is the quality of those in the mainstream please? Remember to keep this focused on the South West.

RoadStar:

So are you trying to say that a fraudulent, uncultured riff-raff like Tinubu is the best Yorubas can produce ?

RoadStar:

The coup plotters themselves alluded to the fact as the main reason for their coups.

I dont have any fixation eith Tinubu, rather I have a lot of contempt. you never evev tried to defent any of the issues I raised. Please be objective and leave sentiments aside. At the moment no other region in Nigeria has or is operating a central rallying point like the yorubas, so u can see my concern, if the head goes bad it can easily lead to catastrophic ends. It has happened a few times in the past.

I have no a game.my utmost concern is Nigeria. All this political rascality seem to always spill out to cause one crisis or the other to Nigeria. This dont mean that other regions dont have their own issue (e.g the North) but the ones in the sw seem to always be self inflicted.

rasputinn:

Of course opposition is one of the spices of politics.
Oppostion to Tinubu wiill come from within his ranks;some of the governors elected on the platform of the ACN who may not be as willing  as Fashola to be Tinubu's slaves and will not agree to allow him brazenly steal from their state's treasuries under any guise.I'm referring to people like Ajimobi and Amosun

Again,Mimiko has sent out warning to Tinubu to forget any dreams of attempting to capture Ondo state,I forsee some of the ACN governors getting fed up with Tinubu's overbearing influence and greed and they could then decamp to either the LP or a rejuvenated PDP(this is highly likely as most people are now seeing Tinubu for the greedy crook he is)

RoadStar:

So are you trying to say that a fraudulent, uncultured riff-raff like Tinubu is the best Yorubas can produce ?

Is GEJ the best that Nigeria can produce?

kasiem:

I'm still turmoiled over the amount of that tinubu is wielding in his. Okay, without offending anybody, from the way that this things are going it somehow shows that the region is going into a monarchical system govt with tinubu as the absolute,cos the kind of imposition that goes on in the party is what suppose to be questioned by any sagacious mind. They're claiming to be opposition with tinubus immediate family being the direct beneficiary, what's the democracy there?

Pukkah:

You are evading the question. I asked you about the quality of the people in the mainstream (focusing on the South West).  For example, Ajimobi vs Akala, Aregbesola vs Oyinlola, etc.

On another note, you aren't sure of what my personal take on Tinubu is.