SlayerForever:

So this threads are hurting you like this Tutudesz. Lol. Your wahala just start. We will continue. Abua has left. Soon we will divide Bayelsa for you. That time you will know what's up.

Abua wanted out of INC and they left without being blackmailed, like the Ikwerre people

tutudesz:

Abua wanted out of INC and they left without being blackmailed, like the Ikwerre people

Apples and oranges bro. Apples and oranges.

SlayerForever:



Before God and man I have never met an Ijaw person before.

They assimilate easily, they are very easy going people, pay no heed to some Misconstrued Children on Nairaland that know nothing.

SlayerForever:



Hahahaha

Only cowards like Ojukwu and Kanu depends on numbers.

Stop blackmailing Ikwerre people

tutudesz:

Abua wanted out of INC and they left without being blackmailed, like the Ikwerre people

They were blackmailed and refused until Abua people took them to court.

SlayerForever:
This language map shows what the coast may have looked like perhaps a thousand years ago.

In the map there are 47 languages scattered across the coast. Out of that 47 about 42 were either partly formed from Igbo and other languages or have Igbo descent. This may support the fact that many other tribes met the Igbos on the coast and thus were influenced by the enduring Igbo tongue as they stayed close to the Igbos. Also many were formed by one Igbo ancestor and another non Igbo ancestor. Check Yakurr ethnicity.

If Igbo impacted so much languages it is likely they were the biggest tribe around. Much much much bigger than Nigeria wants people to believe. There is reason to believe that the Igbo tribe occupied an area far and wide into present day Yorubaland. And a recent research by an Igbo linguist Maazi Ogbonna Okoro revealed that the Igbo area still stretches far into Kogi state to the North. If the Igbo area was so large it is only probable that they occupied the nearly the entire coastline down south. Along with the Efik people(another very old tribe). These other small tribes along the coast with languages numbering near 50 probably came around later on from external migrations. Or may have been brought by Igbos from their far journeys in other lands. There is also the possibility they existed in their area all the while with the Igbos but didn't have the vigoristy or influence of the Igbos, and the Igbo wide population spread didnt allow them grow in population much. Those who are big today absorbed a lot of Igbos and it shows in their large number of Igbo speakers today.

You must be blind? The igbos are the interior people, which 5 present Eastern states is on the coast of the map?

Ekealterego:

They were blackmailed and refused until Abua people took them to court.

The cases dragged on due to some internal issue on both sides

Rexwalters1:
You must be blind? The igbos are the interior people, which 5 present Eastern states is on the coast of the map?

Bro you need help.

tutudesz:

The cases dragged on due to some internal issue on both sides

Well, this was going to happen inevitably. This is what you get when you try to merge people you are unaffiliated to by language. Even people that speak the same language self, na still wahala sometimes, talk more of people who speak a completely different language (not even dialect o) or even a close language for that matter.

Ijaws use to have the Benin hallucination until they gained enough influence and snapped out of it.

Ikwerre is actually a different matter, they are still very active in Ohaneze and the politics to the point where they won the Ohaneze South Africa (a very vital part of Ohaneze in the diaspora). They switch quite swiftly when it benefits them. See how they have a stronghold on Rivers politics because they have the added advantage because they would always have the Igbos on their side irrespective of the dynamics.

In future, other smaller groups will hijack that same IYC, and use the policies to their advantage over whatever Ijaw mandate you might originally have.

Ekealterego:

Well, this was going to happen inevitably. This is what you get when you try to merge people you are unaffiliated to by language. Even people that speak the same language self, na still wahala sometimes, talk more of people who speak a completely different language (not even dialect o) or even a close language for that matter.

Ijaws use to have the Benin hallucination until they gained enough influence and snapped out of it.

Ikwerre is actually a different matter, they are still very active in Ohaneze and the politics to the point where they won the Ohaneze South Africa (a very vital part of Ohaneze in the diaspora). They switch quite swiftly when it benefits them. See how they have a stronghold on Rivers politics because they have the added advantage because they would always have the Igbos on their side irrespective of the dynamics.

In future, other smaller groups will hijack that same IYC, and use the policies to their advantage over whatever Ijaw mandate you might originally have.

They joined INC due to political reasons (Jonathan) and unfortunately that reason is not paying off again

Strange thread... ... ... Anyhow, let's examine the premise and its conclusion.

Normally, I would first want to ensure that we are aware of the disctinction between languages and people. This is an important distinction to make, because the movement (spread, adoption and innovation) of language is not exactly one-for-one with the movement of people. This is why ethnolinguistics and lexicology are fields distinct from general anthropology. But, because I'm open to general discussion, I can put this distinction aside for a bit. It is quite technical, so perhaps now is not the time to get into it. Either that, or I may not even need to get into it to begin with, because this thread offers very little by way of its supporting evidence. So I'll just address the premise and conclusion of this topic.

The Premise: Out of the 47 languages identified on the map, 42 are either Igbo, formed from Igbo or descended from Igbo in some way.

The Derived Conclusion: Because 42 of the 47 languages are related to Igbo in some way, then it means Igbo was occupying almost all of the coast (i.e. "other groups met them at the coast and were influenced by their enduring tongue" ).

I must say, this is such a wild premise. Looking at the list and using information that is peer reviewed and accepted by the academia, I can only identify the following as languages that are part of the Igbo ethnolinguistic grouping:

#334 - Igbo (4)
#391 - Ika
#392 - Ukwuani-Aboh-Ndoni
#403 - Ogba
#404 - Ekpeye
#410 - Ikwerre

That makes a total of six. Where are the remaining 36 and what is the reason for including them? Yes, I read "descended from Igbo", but how is the OP defining or identifying languages "descended from Igbo". Is the OP perhaps talking about the formation of communities and trying to make that analagous to the branching of languages? These are questions that need clarification, because otherwise, we face a faulty premise.

The fault is simply this: Only six of the 47 labels have been verified as part of the Igbo language family tree. No other languages in the Niger Delta are members of this family tree. So the claim of widespread branching is now undermined, because we cannot account for the remaining 36. This faulty premise consequently invalidates the derived conclusion that the Igbo language was occupying a greater part of the coast at one point. In other words, it amounts to nothing more than an unfounded claim.

Hm. That didn't take long. We can conclude now that this thread is BS... BUT, I am a nice person that likes to give people the benefit of the doubt, so I will extend an olive branch.

I want to understand the reasoning for why the OP ballooned the numbers for the Igbo language family from six to 42. Perhaps we can start there in understanding how they arrived at the conclusion.

SlayerForever:
As big as the Yoruba is in the South it does not have as much as 40 languages it has influence on or birthed. I stand to be corrected.

You are yet to name these 40 languages Igbo has birthed as well as show linguistic evidence that they were birthed by Igbo

RedboneSmith:


You are yet to name these 40 languages Igbo has birthed as well as show linguistic evidence that they wete birthed by Igbo

You didn't read clearly.