It's been said we pay for our sins either in this life or the next. This is a widely held belief by all religions even African traditional religion. It means the disabled, those who the present life does not Favor are paying for a sin committed in d past life. Although many are also suffering from wrong choices in their present life.
The purpose of reincarnation is to give a chance for correction through karmic punishment. But what is punishment without awareness of the sin committed. U are basically given a Karma but made to forget the sins u committed in the past life. This is injustice and such God should be rebelled against. The correction is done through evil of this world. Can we then blame the evil doer. For example a man is born handicapped meaning the spirit should feel the pain of being handicapped in dis present life. But the pain is created by humans around him how can the humans around him be blamed when he was meant to feel the pain of their actions towards him. How are we supposed to help others if they are to pass through pains the creator is Purley manipulating we humans. I feel the creator just needs our worship. If ppl killed in the Bible for the creator then Boko haram is also worshipping him. All God thrives on worship. No desgin that was not created for the benefit of the desginer.
No desgin is also perfect. If we were made in his image and likeness then he has our characters. In the Bible he is a jealous God. It's also stated that he is slow to anger which means he can get angry. His creation is not perfect if not how does the spiritual realm sometimes manifest in the physical. If they are 2 separate realms. How did the fallen angels sleep with the daughters of men. If we are distinct. How can stuff like spiritual wife and husband exist if it was never meant to be. It's shows a crossing over of realms he was angry when angles slept with men. It means his creation can be corrupted.

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You are not supposed to use your brain analysing spiritual matters, you are expected to have faith!

We are spiritual beings having a human experience....our natural default setting is spiritual.....

We are all spirits, one spirit experiencing life differently. All covered in different flesh. ...

Saw this on a Facebook post

"According to the Christians, only Jesus can save you from Hell, meaning everyone who doesn't believe in him will go to Hell.

The idea of eternal hell was very much a late comer on the Christian scene, developed decades after Jesus’ death and honed to a fine pitch in the preaching of fire and brimstone that later followers sometimes attributed to Jesus himself. But the torments of hell were not preached by either Jesus or his original Jewish followers; they emerged among later gentile converts who did not hold to the Jewish notion of a future resurrection of the dead.

So why doesn't the Torah talk about Hell?

THE TORAH SAYS NOTHING ABOUT HELL

Gehinom is only a temporary stay, up to 12 months. The purpose is to review life's experiences and feel remorse.

That can be more painful than it appears at first. But it's purpose is correction and purification.

There is no one who could before, or can now, absolve, forgive or otherwise remove anyone's misdeeds except for the individual himself.

That's the price for the gift of free will that Adam and Eve themselves chose by their own misdeeds. They preferred free will to unearned benevolence and angelic compliance to God's will.

Like their loss of immortality and subsequent travails, so we must live. And if not during our lives, then afterwards. feel remorse, reckon for, and repent our sins - no blank checks and no surrogates are possible."

Good idea though..

22jumpstreet:
Saw this on a Facebook post

"According to the Christians, only Jesus can save you from Hell, meaning everyone who doesn't believe in him will go to Hell.

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 3:16
For God so [greatly] loved and dearly prized the world, that He [even] gave His [One and] only begotten Son,
so that whoever believes and trusts in Him [as Savior] shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Revelation 19:13
He is clothed in a garment sprinkled with blood. His name is called "The Word of God."
He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which He is called is The Word of God.

Revelation 20:14
Then death and Hades [the realm of the dead] were thrown into the lake of fire.
This is the second death, the lake of fire [the eternal separation from God].

According to God, it is only Him, proxy Jesus, who incidentally is God Incarnate, meaning God in flesh, who can save every one from the Lake of Fire, which is the final destination of death and hell itself, also called Hades and even Sheol

22jumpstreet:
The idea of eternal hell was very much a late comer on the Christian scene, developed decades after Jesus’ death and honed to a fine pitch in the preaching of fire and brimstone that later followers sometimes attributed to Jesus himself ...

Psalm 9:17
The wicked will turn to Sheol (the nether world, the place of the dead),
Even all the nations who forget God.

Hell or Hades actually originated from Greek mythology, as a matter of fact from the word is the name of the Greek god of the dead and the king of the underworld

22jumpstreet:
... But the torments of hell were not preached by either Jesus or his original Jewish followers; they emerged among later gentile converts who did not hold to the Jewish notion of a future resurrection of the dead.

Matthew 5:22
"But I say to you that everyone being angry with his brother will be liable to the judgment,
and whoever shall say to his brother 'Raca,' will be liable to the Sanhedrin.
But whoever shall say, 'Fool!' will be liable to the Gehenna of fire."

Matthew 5:22
"But I say to you, everyone who is angry with his brother without cause shall be subject to judgment.
Now you have heard it said, 'Whoever shall say to his brother, "Raca," shall be subject to the judgment of the council. '
But I say to you, whoever shall say, 'You fool,' shall be subject to the fire of Gehenna"

It often said that, the Old Testament is the New Testament concealed, while the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed. This is very evident in that it is Jesus, the God Incarnate, meaning, God in human being flesh, who expanded on the Hebraic concept of Sheol, the land of the dead or realm of the dead, with a snapshot view of it, when He with the parable of the rich man and Lazarus zoomed in closer and closer on the subject matter, showing more specific actions, sounds, and other physical elements that transpire in that place. The narrative structure of that parable was intended to teach and arouse satori.

22jumpstreet:
So why doesn't the Torah talk about Hell?

THE TORAH SAYS NOTHING ABOUT HELL

This above that 'THE TORAH SAYS NOTHING ABOUT HELL' has been debunked. Not only proven but shown to be an unsound, flawed and misleading comment.

22jumpstreet:
Gehinom is only a temporary stay, up to 12 months. The purpose is to review life's experiences and feel remorse.

That can be more painful than it appears at first. But it's purpose is correction and purification.

Gehenna, in the Jerusalem biblical days, is a refuse pit, and not a recycling plant or centre. It was the place were rubbish and waste products were taking to be burned so to get destroyed.

22jumpstreet:
[s]There is no one who could before, or can now, absolve, forgive or otherwise remove anyone's misdeeds except for the individual himself.[/s]

Matthew 9:2
Just then some men brought to Him a paralytic lying on a mat.
When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic,
"Take courage, son; your sins are forgiven."

Mark 2:5
When Jesus saw their faith, He said to the paralytic,
"Son, your sins are forgiven."

Luke 5:20
When Jesus saw their faith, He said,
"Friend, your sins are forgiven."

Luke 7:48
Then Jesus said to her,
"Your sins are forgiven."

Matthew 9:1-6
1After getting into a boat, Jesus crossed to the other side and came to his own city.
2All at once some people brought him a paralyzed man lying on a stretcher.
When Jesus saw their faith, He told the paralyzed man,
“Be courageous, son! Your sins are forgiven.”
3Then some of the scribes told themselves, “This fellow is blaspheming!”
4But Jesus, knowing what they were thinking, replied, “Why do you have such evil thoughts in your hearts?
5Which is easier: to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Get up and walk’?
6But so you will know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins…”
He told the paralyzed man,
“Get up, pick up your stretcher, and go home!”

It is incredible to read how well so much false assumptions have been crafted in that Facebook post. So many things said in the post are just not true. The travesty is swallowed hook line and sinker.

There is ONLY one, who could before, or can now, know our thoughts, what you, everyone else including I are thinking and that one, is God

There is ONLY one, who could before, or can now, absolve, forgive sins or otherwise remove anyone's misdeeds and that one, is God.

Anyone can claim to be God, but we see Jesus proved that He is God by doing things, only God, can do.

22jumpstreet:
That's the price for the gift of free will that Adam and Eve themselves chose by their own misdeeds. They preferred free will to unearned benevolence and angelic compliance to God's will.

Free will and responsibility are two sides of the same coin, and that in order to grasp one, you must reach out and grasp the other. You cant have one, without the other.
Free will comes with a cost of taking personal responsibility for all your thoughts, words, actions or deeds

Adam and Eve were given a choice, which they exercised, as they deemed fit. Adam and Eve had the right and ability to choose, had a choice. To do, evil or live?
God respected their choice, just as He respects your every choices too. Did you notice the semordnilap?

22jumpstreet:
Like their loss of immortality and subsequent travails, so we must live.

It wasn't as if there were no advance warning about a potential loss of immortality and subsequent travails

There was a restriction on what to eat and what not to eat. Even, that what not to eat, had a serious health warning label on it, indicating that, what not eat, carries grave health risks too numerous to mention that is bad for them, if eaten. They ate and the rest is part of the history we are discussing now

22jumpstreet:
And if not during our lives, then afterwards. feel remorse, reckon for, and repent our sins - no blank checks and no surrogates are possible."

Good idea though..

Matthew 19:26
Jesus looked at them intently and said,
“Humanly speaking, it is impossible. But with God everything is possible.”

Jeremiah 32:27
"Behold, I am the LORD, the God of all flesh. Is anything too difficult for Me?

Jeremiah 32:17
"Oh, Lord GOD!
You have made the heavens and the earth by Your great power and outstretched arm.
Nothing is too difficult for You!

1 Corinthians 15:57
But thank God!
He gives us victory over sin and death through our Lord Jesus Christ.

You wish no Surrogate is possible

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

SimplePlan34:
It's been said we pay for our sins either in this life or the next. This is a widely held belief by all religions even African traditional religion. It means the disabled, those who the present life does not Favor are paying for a sin committed in d past life.

John 9:1-3
1Now as Jesus was passing by, He saw a man blind from birth,
2and His disciples asked Him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”
3Jesus answered,
“Neither this man nor his parents sinned,
but this happened so that the works of God would be displayed in him.

Saying 'those who the present life does not Favor are paying for a sin committed in d past life' is absolutely incorrect and not biblically sound nor supported

SimplePlan34:
Although many are also suffering from wrong choices in their present life.
The purpose of reincarnation is to give a chance for correction through karmic punishment. But what is punishment without awareness of the sin committed. U are basically given a Karma but made to forget the sins u committed in the past life. This is injustice and such God should be rebelled against. The correction is done through evil of this world. Can we then blame the evil doer.
For example a man is born handicapped meaning the spirit should feel the pain of being handicapped in dis present life. But the pain is created by humans around him how can the humans around him be blamed when he was meant to feel the pain of their actions towards him. How are we supposed to help others if they are to pass through pains the creator is Purley manipulating we humans.

I feel the creator just needs our worship. If ppl killed in the Bible for the creator then Boko haram is also worshipping him. All God thrives on worship. No desgin that was not created for the benefit of the desginer.
No desgin is also perfect. If we were made in his image and likeness then he has our characters.

Genesis 1:27
Then God said,
Let Us (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) make man in Our image, according to Our likeness
[not physical, but a spiritual personality and moral likeness];
and let them have complete authority over the fish of the sea, the birds of the air, the cattle,
and over the entire earth, and over everything that creeps and crawls on the earth.”

To start with, God is a Spirit. God is incorporeal, meaning, God is not composed of a physical substance.

Next, I am certain, you dont realise that image, is instant, while likeness is continuum. The former, immediately, and the latter, gradual changes in character.

SimplePlan34:
In the Bible he is a jealous God. It's also stated that he is slow to anger which means he can get angry. His creation is not perfect if not how does the spiritual realm sometimes manifest in the physical. If they are 2 separate realms.

God is said to be jealous or be anger in an anthropomorphised manner. Its ascribing human characteristics and behaviour to God, so dont get it twisted or misunderstood.

SimplePlan34:
How did the fallen angels sleep with the daughters of men. If we are distinct. How can stuff like spiritual wife and husband exist if it was never meant to be.

You are looking for a non existent black cat in a dark room, as fallen angels never slept with daughters of men anywhere. Celestial beings do not have sexual urges nor do they engage in sexual gratification.

There is nothing like '... spiritual wife and husband ...' either. Thats just ignorance and old wives tales

SimplePlan34:
How did the fallen angels sleep with the daughters of men. If we are distinct. How can stuff like spiritual wife and husband exist if it was never meant to be. It's shows a crossing over of realms he was angry when angles slept with men. It means his creation can be corrupted.

God not anywhere in the Bible, did He say, He was angry, when alleged by you 'angles slept with men'

Genesis 6:1-7 that you are alluding to, is where God said He regrets and He was grieved in His heart for creating man. It particularly, is another anthropomorphic text.

You dont understand the depth of depravity, crookedness, brutishness, deviance that man has descended into, the world had becoming a very unsafe place to live. Nonetheless God gave the world 120 years, to get, put and set their houses in order. Only 8 people took heed to the warning to die or live.

How can you judge cruelty, when you dont fully and totally understand kindness. The believe in a cruel God, make a cruel person.

Cruel people believe in a cruel god, and use their belief to excuse their cruelty. It infantile minded posters who complain and say that God is cruel or that there is no God. Mature minded posters, however, know about the eternal kindness of God.

Some posters, for so long, running from one darkness to another darkness, find themselves in a place, darker than the last.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

SimplePlan34:

It's been said we pay for our sins either in this life or the next.

Jesus sent his disciples out to visit people of all races in other to CORRECT the wrong views and misconceptions billions held about God:

Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things! Matthew 28:20

Satan is one of the first set of spirit creatures God created, he just felt that there's no reason why he should have such powers when he can't be in control, that's why he rebelled against his father and God. God could have destroyed Satan instantly but then how will His other spirit sons learn from Satan's rebellion? Humans became the experiment due to the chance Adam and Eve gave Satan. The first human couple joined Satan in his rebellion against God. Satan told them God lied about the forbidden fruit and that they're going to benefit a lot if they turn against God.
Well Adam and Eve died naturally just as God had warned but what about Satan the major culprit? He now has the authority to use Adam's descendants as his experiment to prove before all the heavenly host that he can rule mankind successfully.
So God allowed this to settle the issue once and for all time. History has proved that what Satan told Adam and Eve is a lie, humans can't rule themselves for their good rather they will continue to make life unbearable for one another! Ecclesiastes 4:1; 8:9
Death is the exact opposite of life so if we live we only spend a lifetime and after our death we are gone forever, as children born to Adam and Eve we meant nothing but dust to God and the angels {Psalms 103:14} but due to God's infinite mercy, some of Adam's descendants were noticed to have fine qualities {Genesis 4:4; 5:24; 6:9; Job 1:8} that's why God keeps their information in His memory because He wish to see them again! John 5:28-29 compare to Job 14:13-15

Satan and other rebellious angels are behind all other religions on this planet so they're working hard to confuse everyone so that you will get fed up with wrong views about life and it's meaning. Revelations 12:9

Apart from God's organized people you can't get the truth about God, life or the purpose of life anywhere else, that's why Satan is creating more and more false religions to make it difficult for anyone to notice God's organized people who have been fully taught all these things. Moreover Satan is spreading rumours and bad reports about this group globally so that ordinarily hearing the group name will attract vilification from all sides! John 15:19

I was a soldier and Muslim before i converted to JW, i also had a lot of questions bordering my mind from my teens but today i'm grateful to God that i met His true worshipers (Jehovah's Witnesses) they answered all my questions and today the love i have for God is getting stronger and stronger everyday {Mark 12:29-30} not because He is bribing me for being one of His true worshipers but due to the accurate knowledge of truth i have now about God and His purpose for Creation! Revelations 4:11

PEACE eludes all those who don't have accurate knowledge of God but as for those having insight there is Peace {Isaiah 48:17-18} even though we're passing through the same condition as billions around us, that's why we have LOVE JOY and PEACE permeating our gathering throughout the earth! Galatians 5:22-23

May you have PEACE!

Confusion and more confusion!

AntiChristian:

Confusion and more confusion!

That's exactly what Satan wants but when you finally find pure worship you will know the truth and the truth will set you free! John 8:32

Each religion will continue to tell you they know how to worship God acceptably but then they will not be able to exhibit God's attributes like LOVE JOY PEACE PATIENCE GOODNESS GENTLENESS FAITH MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL! Galatians 5:22-23
They will continue to argue that their form of worship will lead you to heaven even when we all know that Adam and Eve (the first human couple) were created to live on earth (not in the heavens)
So why heaven if God purposely created Adam and Eve here? That's what confusion can do for you!

AntiChristian:
Confusion and more confusion!

The devil tempts all men, but when idle posters tempt the devil, you have the devil's confusion

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}