Proximo73:
a simplified version but yet, complicated to the deaf

paxonel:
Isaiah 9:7 Of the increase of his government(referring to the government of Jesus which is Christianity in the heart of people on this earth) and peace, there shall be no end...

Meaning, the Christianity we practice today will never end, because it is God's kingdom on this earth.
Consequently, this world we are living has no end because Christianity is here.

So, what is Christianity?
It is the religion Jesus established on earth the day he was crucified and resurrected approximately 2000 years ago.
Of what benefit is the Christian faith to believers?
It gives everlasting life to everyone that believes. John 3:16
Meaning, we live on this earth forever, we don't die, death has been defeated on the cross 1 Corinthians 15:54-55
Meaning, we are already in God's kingdom Colossians 1:13

Having understood this, there is no point being religious anymore, all we need to do is to live our lives freely, and go about our normal lives pursuing our carrier in all Ernest and without any fear, showing love to people according to the teachings of Christ with our resources, because Christianity is Love.

And whether you are believer or not, by default you will certainly find yourself pursuing a carrier, sometimes you wake up early morning and you are off to duty in your office, everyday.
Then, imagine after all these you die as an unbeliever, that means you are the one that have lost.
But what if you die as a believer, then you have gain, it means you were wise.

Romans 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

The literal meaning of this statement is : If we die as Christians, we believe that we shall also be raised to be Christians to live on, and not raised to be Muslims or any other faith.
To live with him(with Christ) means to live as a Christian.

But where you are not a Christian you are condemned the day you die, no resurrection for you inspite that you have worked hard and even used your resources to help the needy. John 3:18

AntiChristian:


So where did Isaiah mentioned Christianity in the Bible?
Where did Jesus mention Christianity in the Bible as his religion?
Even the word "Christian" was mentioned a couple of times after Jesus left this world!

You guys sabi misyarn !

calebbintus:
Christianity that has ended already

paxonel:
it's not about the word used, it is about the identity of the faith.
I mean, Yoruba can use the word Jesu, it doesn't matter so long they are referring to that identity called Jesus by the English today.
And i can tell you that the word Christian wasn't used in the original text of the Hebrews.

Also, the bible used a lot of synonyms which were later evolved to some other kind or words we use today that were never so in the bible. And you know, the only thing that is constant in life is change.
See, whenever you see the words God's kingdom or Faith or Heaven, or kingdom of heaven in the bible, they were all synonyms used in place of the religion that was to be established by Jesus Christ, and that religion is no other, but what is known as Christianity today

For instance,

Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand

he was simply telling the people, repent, the time he will die and resurrect is at hand.
Meaning, his death and resurrection marked the kingdom of God, that was the establishment of a religion. (You can choose to call the religion whatever name you like if you do not like the word Christianity, like i said, the name does not matter, what mstters is the identity called Jesus Christ today).
it's true that there are many Christians(not all) who misyarn because they are yet to understand the basics of the religion they practice inspite that they attend church every Sunday, so it is with other religions too.
I have friends who were born into Islam, yet they lack the basic understanding of what the religion stands for too.
It's normal.

But it's a problem.

AntiChristian:


I think it should be about the word used. You said Isaiah Prophesized the coming of Christianity in his time but in reality he never mentioned anything close to that. And of cos ''Christianous" was used in Acts 11:26. The sentence was "The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch." So how did Isaiah predicted this and never mentioned ''Christianous" as the writer of Acts did above?

I still stand that there was no religion in the Bible!

How can you interpret the "kingdom of God is at hand" to mean the time he will die and resurrect is at hand? Jesus did not for once told anyone he will die and resurrect in plain words.

So what does John mean when he was saying a similar thing?

In those days John the Baptist came, preaching in the wilderness of Judea and saying, “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near.” This is he who was spoken of through the prophet Isaiah: “A voice of one calling in the wilderness,
Matthew 3:1-3

paxonel:
I have explained that the only constant in life is change
Ofcourse, you don't expect Isaiah to mention Christian as there was no such word in his time because names may have change over time(remember thousands of centuries may have elapsed between the days of Isaiah and the days of Christ as a thousand years is like one day before God.
The basic idea is that Isaiah prophesied to the Jews that there was going to be a Messiah, And in all indication that Messiah is Jesus Christ. And we all know that the Christian religion of today has it origin from that same Christ

do you have any reason for saying this?

of course he wouldn't possibly say it in plain words.
But those of us who have read what he said metaphorically we know what he meant.

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

the same thing Jesus Christ meant in Matthew 4:17 by saying repent for the kingdom of God is at hand, that is the same thing John the Baptist preached.
John the baptist was more or less like another prophet Isaiah repeating what the prophet Isaiah said in the old testament about Jesus Christ, but this time the emphasis was that the time is at hand.

You know what it means to say it is at hand?
It means the kingdom is about to happen right now, the Messiah or the Christ is already hear and he is about to be crucified right now.
That was what John the baptism meant by saying the kingdom of God is at hand.

AntiChristian:


So since Isaiah did not mention Christianity and Jesus did not start Christianity why say Isaiah prophesized Christianity in his time?

No mention of any religion in the Bible!



This verse can be explained with the verses from Matthew 12:38-42

Then some of the scribes and Pharisees told Jesus,[a] “Teacher, we want to see a sign from you.”

But he replied to them, “An evil and adulterous generation craves a sign. Yet no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah, because just as Jonah was in the stomach of the sea creature for three days and three nights, so the Son of Man will be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights.

Did Jonah die in the fish? No! That means Jesus never died at all.



There's no metaphor that can relate the kingdom of God/heaven is at hand to "Jesus Christ is about to be crucified" You can bring the Bible verse that explains this.

Matthew 3:2
“Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”

Even Checking the context below does not insinuated what you are saying. Jesus met the disciples after preaching the kingdom of God is at hand so i wonder who understood it as you are twisting it to be.

After the arrest of John, Jesus went into Galilee and proclaimed the gospel of God. “The time is fulfilled,” He said, “and the kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe in the gospel!” As Jesus was walking beside the Sea of Galilee, He saw Simon and his brother Andrew. They were casting a net into the sea, for they were fishermen.

So where does the interpretation Kingdom of God or Kingdom of heaven is near mean Jesus will be crucified soon in the Bible?

sonmvayina:
I have read the whole of Isaiah, how come I never found any Jesus in it...

Or maybe you are mistranslating what he wrote...

paxonel:

Proximo73:
so, why ignoring their response,you bad o ?

paxonel:
another one

sonmvayina:


Prove me wrong...I am willing to learn.

paxonel:
there are better things to learn in the Quran, not this one

Your brain cannot carry this one

sonmvayina:
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I am not a Muslim

I am not a Christian..

I am just s guy who tries to follow God's laws and commandments just like he asked..

paxonel:

you will certainly find yourself pursuing a carrier, sometimes you wake up early morning and you are off to duty in your office, everyday.

paxonel:
then you don't have any wahalla!
Just follow your conscience you have followed God's law.
It is not until you are a Christian before you can follow God's law all live better

sonmvayina:


What about those who where born before Jesus?

Proximo73:
do we really need to have a carrier before we can keep God's laws and commandments?
I doubt because the conscience is both owned by the rich and poor who may not have any carrier

paxonel:

with already over 560 Billion Adherents worldwide after2000 years?
Matthew 31:32
Something that started with just 120 adherents? Act 1:15

Keep dreaming the drrams

The question you should ask yourself is, how did Jesus Christ knew that the mustard seed will grow to be such a big tree?
Can a mere human say something 2000 years ago and we see the thing happening today?

calebbintus:


Christianity is dead. Jesus is dead