EarsWide:

We have said it a thousand times - most of these pentecostal preachers are frauds.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/09/eddie-longs-new-churches-raise-questions-about-pastors-behavior-after-scandal/

Eddie Long Announces the opening of 2 new church branches

(CNN) – If you're a famous pastor who has just survived a sex scandal, laid off church staff and lost a chunk of your congregation, what do you do to move forward? If you’re Bishop Eddie Long, you announce that your church is expanding.

Long, senior pastor of New Birth Missionary Church outside Atlanta, Georgia, has announced that his church is opening two new satellite churches and is asking parishioners to donate up to $1,000 to support the expansion, according to The Atlanta Journal Constitution. Long’s announcement comes two weeks after an out of court settlement with four young men who accused him of using his spiritual authority to coerce them into sexual relationships.

Joagbaje:

Creflo dollar was right. God has forgiven, that's if he did commit the error . There is no sin God won't forget. That didn't take away his calling from the man. He is still anointed to fulfil his assignment. If God forgive a man , we cant hold offence against him. Has God rejected him? . How many of us don't do wrong? If we get forgiveness , we should believe in the forgiveness of others. How you treat him matters, it can become your own sin.

JeSoul:

NLMediator:

All these plenty donations account for why many christians remain poor. They operate a different financial model from the pastors and the ministries themselves, which is why the latter are usually successful while the flock wallow in poverty or live in Barely-Making-it-Ville. Interstingly enough, the pastors have it right. Does it occur to anybody that there's hardly any financially successful pastor in Nigeria or elsewhere that truly gives more than 2-5% of their income, unlike the members that give upwads of 30%?

ogajim:

JoAgbaje and Creflo seem to be on the same page no wonder enigma called CD one of your mentors sort of. How did you guys know that God has forgiven the man when he hasn't admitted to anything?

do you have any proof he did it?

EarsWide:

Creflo Dollar said the church members from Eddie Long's church should ALL go back - his congregation cheered and Joagbaje says it is fine. What if some of the people that left Eddie Long's church were themselves victims of Eddie Long or some other craddle-robber, what message is Creflo Dollar sending to them ? That victims of craddle-robbers have no place in the church ?? And Jo thinks this is correct ? How can he have done a wreck if he claims innocence ?

@Nairalanders in general
I know there is now a trend towards civility and brotherly love for all including liars and frauds like Jo - it is a complete and utter waste of time in my opinion. People like Jo in a civilized society will be despised and reviled outcasts, yet we want to start treating him and similar clowns with more respect - utter nonsense!!

I dont believe Eddie Long, Creflo Dollar or Joagbaje believe in God at all. Anyone that can stand in a pulpit and say what Dollar and Long said - can NOT truly believe in God, equally anyone who supports them is guilty of the same.

Relax. I don't know what you mean by civilized society. But everywhere I know, that is generally considered civilized, divergent views are tolerated. You win over by superior arguments, not by throwing bombs.

EarsWide:

@NLMediator

you said
My guy - keep quiet.

What argument is there about Eddie Long ? He is a sexual predator - who settled out of court to hide his crimes.

What are the divergent views ? that sexual assault is fine ? that Dollar chasing people out of his church and back to a sexual predator's arms is fine ?

There are no divergent views in this case - you either think sexual predation is evil enough to warrant Eddie Long standing down or you dont.

Divergent views ?? - such foolishness!

Joagbaje:

Matthew 17:26-27
26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free. 27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.


If Jesus could settle tax collectors unjustifiably just to avoid trouble, we should not assume every settlement is based on guilt. We shouldn't get exited at the fall or shortcomings of others.

[color=#990000]Galatians 6:1-2
Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. 2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.[/

We should cross our hands till the outcome of the full truth . Creflo Dollar did right. That's the bible.

Demain_man:

This joagbaje knows how to distort the bible no be small.

Infact, for him ''It is better to receive than to give'' !

Joagbaje:

Matthew 17:26-27
26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free. 27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.


If Jesus could settle tax collectors unjustifiably just to avoid trouble, we should not assume every settlement is based on guilt. We shouldn't get exited at the fall or shortcomings of others.

[color=#990000]Galatians 6:1-2
Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. 2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.[/

We should cross our hands till the outcome of the full truth . Creflo Dollar did right. That's the bible.

Joagbaje:

Matthew 17:26-27
26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free. 27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.


If Jesus could settle tax collectors unjustifiably just to avoid trouble, we should not assume every settlement is based on guilt. We shouldn't get exited at the fall or shortcomings of others.

[color=#990000]Galatians 6:1-2
Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. 2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.[/

We should cross our hands till the outcome of the full truth . Creflo Dollar did right. That's the bible.

Joagbaje:

All of us are only working with assumptions.

Joagbaje:

Matthew 17:26-27
26 Peter saith unto him, Of strangers. Jesus saith unto him, Then are the children free. 27 Notwithstanding, lest we should offend them, go thou to the sea, and cast an hook, and take up the fish that first cometh up; and when thou hast opened his mouth, thou shalt find a piece of money: that take, and give unto them for me and thee.


If Jesus could settle tax collectors unjustifiably just to avoid trouble, we should not assume every settlement is based on guilt. We shouldn't get exited at the fall or shortcomings of others.

[color=#990000]Galatians 6:1-2
Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. 2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.[/

We should cross our hands till the outcome of the full truth . Creflo Dollar did right. That's the bible.