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Re: The Bola Tinubu Dilemma: Does APC Want To Win With Him Or Lose Without Him? by jcent2611: 11:30am On Dec 22, 2021
tinibu Tinibu Tinibu Everywhere bola.. In lagos him In kafachan,him In my village him.. Even in the air,fire still him Abeg,e be like say him go loose ohh...
Re: The Bola Tinubu Dilemma: Does APC Want To Win With Him Or Lose Without Him? by jeff1993: 11:30am On Dec 22, 2021
sangresan:



I want to believe that you're a teenager or in your 20s. I don't think a mature guy with knowledge of how Nigerian politics works will say this. This is because the North has never been monolithic. From the First Republic to the Second Republic down to the present Fourth Republic, the North has never rallied behind a single candidate. The fable that the North will queue behind Atiku exists in the imagination of PDP apologists and their fellow IPOB wannabes.
..... I want to believe u are more sensible and u can comprehend!!!
Re: The Bola Tinubu Dilemma: Does APC Want To Win With Him Or Lose Without Him? by ItalianMafia: 11:39am On Dec 22, 2021
Frigga13:
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Yoruba man article Mpuru Mmiri people spot. Perennial losers ��

A hundred Tinubu no fit defeat Atiku in an election
Atiku won last election .. no be noise .. but took it good because of United North

Atiku already have 13 million votes and how many votes did Tinubu and his Yoruba family gave to Buhari

Tinubu brought in money , private jets, Fulani and north brought in money too..

A kwankwazo will defeat Tinubu.. Elrufia will defeat Tinubu... a saraki will defeat Tinubu.. Obi might go toe to toe with Tinubu

Yoruba people and noise ...

Why Tinubu didn’t contest again Jonathan if he was that powerful.. why negotiating with Buhari.. Tinubu sucked on Buhari 12.5 million votes.. and still lost his dream of Vice.

Elections is all about voting .. Any party in government have the rigging machinery .. but atimes it over inec..

For all this Yoruba noise .. Tinubu Must contest. Tinubu is not Trump .. America is not Nigeria..

North are not slaves to yoruba people neither any tribe

Yoruba should look for a non tribalist .. like Obasanjo and Nigeria might consider the person

But a Tinubu.. Walai Tinubu will fine it difficult winning ya ya Bello..

If Yoruba want make them write article from now to Jerusalem ...

Fact
Nobody trust a Yoruba man in Nigeria and that’s the open secret .

Same reason why yoruba people have been in opposition since the days of Awolowo and will soon go back to opposition.. this time nobody will really take them serious .. Nigerians have seen them finish

From a tribalistic osibanjo to a greedy Tinubu

YORUBA PEOPLE MUST CONTEST..

Power returns North
Re: The Bola Tinubu Dilemma: Does APC Want To Win With Him Or Lose Without Him? by Modphase: 11:53am On Dec 22, 2021
Was Buhari popular in the South too.



SimplePlan34:
Tinubu is not as popular outside the west as many think he is. It's only the north that can install him if they don't nothing he can do. As it stands Apc will always win because they would rig. Most ppl thought PDP Fell due to the masses rejecting them. It was Jonathan that allowed things be.
Re: The Bola Tinubu Dilemma: Does APC Want To Win With Him Or Lose Without Him? by History555: 11:56am On Dec 22, 2021
I have said it and will say it again nobody will hand power to a powerful man. Tinubu is powerful he has money, press, connection local and international and power. He also mastered the art of politricking. Such a person is difficult to control or to be threatened by the north.
All the activisim in Niger na south west, with tinubu no activism, no bad press. It is also difficult to predict wat tinubu would do. I.e he is unpredictable. Even within the sw many politicians fear for their future with tinubu and will oppose him to the last. Given his knack for imposing govs even govs in other regions won't like him at all.

Even tinubu would not hand over to a powerful man in Lagos so should not expect buhari to hand over to him

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Re: The Bola Tinubu Dilemma: Does APC Want To Win With Him Or Lose Without Him? by asunmoGGMU(m): 12:05pm On Dec 22, 2021
Kriss216:

It's too late for Yorubas and Igbos to put head together. Head that we didn't put together in 2015, you want us to put same heads together few months to 2023. Not possible, bro.

Every abokki to his kettle.

You all are always quick to throw this alliance card. It's is irritating. Igbo and Hausa have been putting head together since the years of Balewa and Azikwe. If Yoruba race working with Hausa for the very first time since all these years of Nigeria's existence is your problem, keep living in delusion. You really think Yoruba care about your scheme? It's clear we don't give a damn.

Awolowo had issues with Akintola cos of his Balewa-alliance. Yoruba supported Awo, you Igbos didn't work for him. Abiola was a national appeal, you Igbos didn't support him. In fact, he won in opponent home state - Kano. He swept results in the North. Olu Falae was Yoruba choice, but did he get you guys support? You go with Northern appeal in Obj.

Please, stop mouthing Yoruba in your political miscalculation.

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Re: The Bola Tinubu Dilemma: Does APC Want To Win With Him Or Lose Without Him? by Nobody: 12:07pm On Dec 22, 2021
Kriss216:
Worst scenario;
The North will give Tinubu the APC ticket and move to support Atiku, their own.

It's a win win for the North.

No thanks to Tinubu and his sophisticated followers.

Don’t mind them. We would rather not have Atiku but nobody is forcing anybody. If the parties present nonsense candidates we will vote how we like. That is democracy in the meantime, the money brought to share in Kano I no see my own. I hope gandollar was not in charge because that means Tinubu has entered one chance in Kano.
Re: The Bola Tinubu Dilemma: Does APC Want To Win With Him Or Lose Without Him? by fabregas04(m): 12:10pm On Dec 22, 2021
Kriss216:
Worst scenario;
The North will give Tinubu the APC ticket and move to support Atiku, their own.

It's a win win for the North.

No thanks to Tinubu and his sophisticated followers.
may be i shld remind u that d North once gave OBJ & GEJ d tickets and still went ahead to support them against their own, especially GEJ in 2011 against buhari and Atiku.
there are so many interest in d North too, some of them want to be VP, SP, speaker, position for 2029 president etc and they know northerner emerging President now wld block such moves. it's all personal interest and calculations,

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Re: The Bola Tinubu Dilemma: Does APC Want To Win With Him Or Lose Without Him? by atiku07(m): 12:15pm On Dec 22, 2021
BabbanBura:


Mark my word, APC will give the ticket to Igbos to spite Tinubu (Yorubas) but the whole North will support Atiku against the Igbo candidate. This way, the Igbos will have only votes from the east alone, likewise the Yoruba votes largely from west alone because these two regions wont vote for each other. The north will vote Atiku across parties and give him the victory!

Exception to this is if Igbos and Yorubas will unite to support an Igbo candidate but this can never happen in Nigeria, atleast not in 2023.

However, if Tinubu drops his greedy ambition and push forward Osibanjo or Adeshina (AFDB guy), then even the north will have divided votes for Atiku and the APC will surely win whoever the PDP fields be it Atiku or an Igbo man

Sense no dey ur talk oga

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Re: The Bola Tinubu Dilemma: Does APC Want To Win With Him Or Lose Without Him? by patosky55(m): 1:02pm On Dec 22, 2021
27Pushing30:


Like jay z said ... Dark knight feeling, die and be a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.

Yar'dua? best president? lol
who is the best president Nigeria has ever had? though all of them are all failures but which one of them better small pass?
Re: The Bola Tinubu Dilemma: Does APC Want To Win With Him Or Lose Without Him? by SimplePlan34: 1:06pm On Dec 22, 2021
Modphase:
Was Buhari popular in the South too.




Tinubu marketed him to the west take note west that was how we voted for him PDP won in every major southern State probably only Edo.
Re: The Bola Tinubu Dilemma: Does APC Want To Win With Him Or Lose Without Him? by ityP(m): 1:16pm On Dec 22, 2021
Odidigboigbo:
They all needs not to vote for him, just like during Jonathan period. Just simple majority to seal the victory.


Long talk. SW gave Buhari victory because north ALWAYS voted for him before. They just needed a region to add
Re: The Bola Tinubu Dilemma: Does APC Want To Win With Him Or Lose Without Him? by BafanaBafana: 1:42pm On Dec 22, 2021
SimplePlan34:
Tinubu is not as popular outside the west as many think he is. It's only the north that can install him if they don't nothing he can do. As it stands Apc will always win because they would rig. Most ppl thought PDP Fell due to the masses rejecting them. It was Jonathan that allowed things be.
So which state did Jonathan win that it was rigged?
Or you are saying he won in the SW
Or in the north?
The only place Jonathan had real votes was in the Christian northern states like Taraba and Plateau. In his strongholds which were SS and SE, they wrote results and gave Buhari 5% . The man lost resoundingly. Just accept it and move on
Re: The Bola Tinubu Dilemma: Does APC Want To Win With Him Or Lose Without Him? by Akanbiedu(m): 2:34pm On Dec 22, 2021
Ttalk:


Asgard, It's too early to change moniker, we are keenly following your rants and would be here to mock you when all your emotional rants fall on your face.

Are you new here in political section? These guys will just deactivate and register another moniker. Na their way be dat.
Re: The Bola Tinubu Dilemma: Does APC Want To Win With Him Or Lose Without Him? by chiefobdk2: 2:37pm On Dec 22, 2021
jeff1993:
The North are more advanced in the act of Politicking than the whole southern tribes combined!!!!..... All the whole northerners can Unify irrespective of party affiliates to push their very own to the top, but can't say same of the south.

APC may give Jagaban the ticket but they will go behind and rally for Atiku ..... After elections them they will doassive Exodus to PDP

Please NL family..... I need someone to mentor me in any digital money making skill ..... I am broke and I don't want to be broke next year
They are not advanced.. All the south need is to get equal number of states.... Get someone who is not afraid to conduct census.... They only wining because of fictitious population
Re: The Bola Tinubu Dilemma: Does APC Want To Win With Him Or Lose Without Him? by BJanta: 2:49pm On Dec 22, 2021
Re: The Bola Tinubu Dilemma: Does APC Want To Win With Him Or Lose Without Him? by Inspirelove: 2:53pm On Dec 22, 2021
[quote author=Vddaz post=108713884]Tinubu will be worse than Buhari

MARK MY WORu be God abi.. u know end from the beginning ?
Re: The Bola Tinubu Dilemma: Does APC Want To Win With Him Or Lose Without Him? by Oluwadare: 3:29pm On Dec 22, 2021
googlepikins:
I feel sorry for Nigerians, we are not ready for development in this country.

That Buhari didn't teach us a big lesson, is the reason why scientists need to come and examine our existence on earth as Nigerians.

We are different breed
Being a while I laughed this hard. So apt and funny concurrently.
Re: The Bola Tinubu Dilemma: Does APC Want To Win With Him Or Lose Without Him? by chiefobdk2: 4:48pm On Dec 22, 2021
Wawelexy:
Northern ABC would rather lose with him just to retain a Northern Precydent, while the southern ABC has no choice than to decamp, cos the Majority (Northerners) wants their own person...

Tilnubbu is still keeping calm just because he still thinks he has a chance, watch him be at the forefront of Yoruubba Nation Agitation when he finally loses out by 2023..... This game will get more dirtier and bloodier, even bulhary(who would by then be ex-preccydernt) will not be bold enough to be in this country, cos baba would unleash the full demon in him.

They all have hidden agenda or lemme say hidden plan B.

The Fullhani are not wise enough to ghost their plans, and I would say they re starting to early(maybe they re trying to use the upper power they have now to spread across the nation), sending weapons and their soldiers all over the southern state should sound alarming to any sensible being...

God should intervene NOW!!!
tinubu will be so busy wit efcc to have time to politic
Re: The Bola Tinubu Dilemma: Does APC Want To Win With Him Or Lose Without Him? by Gandokiejim: 4:50pm On Dec 22, 2021
filevino:
Back in 2015, You voted a terrorist sympathetic incompetent dunce a.k.a Mannequin at 21 years old, by 2023 you will be 28 years old. Continue.

If you like vote old cargos like the frog eyed, drug baron with no vision, i.e Mannequin 2.0 you will regret it.

Your 30s will be wasted and at 40 you will have nothing to show for it.

Be warned.
Thank you
Re: The Bola Tinubu Dilemma: Does APC Want To Win With Him Or Lose Without Him? by Gandokiejim: 4:53pm On Dec 22, 2021
BafanaBafana:

So which state did Jonathan win that it was rigged?
Or you are saying he won in the SW
Or in the north?
The only place Jonathan had real votes was in the Christian northern states like Taraba and Plateau. In his strongholds which were SS and SE, they wrote results and gave Buhari 5% . The man lost resoundingly. Just accept it and move on
Allow Jonathan rest.He lost, enjoy your victory
Re: The Bola Tinubu Dilemma: Does APC Want To Win With Him Or Lose Without Him? by Wawelexy(m): 5:19pm On Dec 22, 2021
chiefobdk2:
tinubu will be so busy wit efcc to have time to politic

We talking civil war, you talking EFCC.... lol...
Re: The Bola Tinubu Dilemma: Does APC Want To Win With Him Or Lose Without Him? by AntonVince: 6:12pm On Dec 22, 2021
fabregas04:
may be i shld remind u that d North once gave OBJ & GEJ d tickets and still went ahead to support them against their own, especially GEJ in 2011 against buhari and Atiku.
there are so many interest in d North too, some of them want to be VP, SP, speaker, position for 2029 president etc and they know northerner emerging President now wld block such moves. it's all personal interest and calculations,

Stop spreading falsehood.
The core north never voted Jonathan in 2011.
Buhari with his structure-less CPC made it almost a clean sweep of votes over there, even in the PDP-controlled states.


Buhari/CPC won in all the below states in 2011.

Re: The Bola Tinubu Dilemma: Does APC Want To Win With Him Or Lose Without Him? by oyatz(m): 6:29pm On Dec 22, 2021
AustineE1:
Tinubu online urchins doing what they know how to do best. In the coming months watch out for the south west media painting Tinubu as the messiah. No matter how hard they try,Tinubu is not marketable, he is seen as an epitome of corruption(bullion van politics), both him and his family are power drunk.we have seen in the past how he maltreated those who don't dance to his tone and his wife's penchant for slapping notable men and often making derogatory statements against other ethnic groups.
The core north will never vote Tinubu,middle will not vote him,South east and south south are no go areas.
The earlier he smells the coffee the better for him.
If in anyway he gets the APC ticket,the north knows the game,PDP brings an Atiku or any other strong northerner,they north will ditch APC and line behind their son and the greater south who felt betrayed by Tinubu will never vote Tinubu. That I have seen. For Tinubu is a lose lose situation

Okay, after all these what next?
Re: The Bola Tinubu Dilemma: Does APC Want To Win With Him Or Lose Without Him? by djukum1: 7:08pm On Dec 22, 2021
If at this time a Nigerian youth will be supporting old polithiefcians. Pls I advice u to leave United States of America and return to Nigeria then u will get sense.
Re: The Bola Tinubu Dilemma: Does APC Want To Win With Him Or Lose Without Him? by oyatz(m): 7:55pm On Dec 22, 2021
Zimmermann:
that's a lie! Power had better remain in the north, Atiku and Tambuwal, than to have tinubu. A tinubu administration will be worst than buhari's.

Okay, may be or may be not.



However which of the problems facing Nigeria do you think will be solved by Tambuwal or Atiku and time what extent?
Re: The Bola Tinubu Dilemma: Does APC Want To Win With Him Or Lose Without Him? by oyatz(m): 8:02pm On Dec 22, 2021
BabbanBura:


Mark my word, APC will give the ticket to Igbos to spite Tinubu (Yorubas) but the whole North will support Atiku against the Igbo candidate. This way, the Igbos will have only votes from the east alone, likewise the Yoruba votes largely from west alone because these two regions wont vote for each other. The north will vote Atiku across parties and give him the victory!

Exception to this is if Igbos and Yorubas will unite to support an Igbo candidate but this can never happen in Nigeria, atleast not in 2023.

However, if Tinubu drops his greedy ambition and push forward Osibanjo or Adeshina (AFDB guy), then even the north will have divided votes for Atiku and the APC will surely win whoever the PDP fields be it Atiku or an Igbo man

You don't really understand democracy and party politics.


Tinubu should pursue his presidential ambition to logical conclusion and damn all consequences.


Our political parties will be more matured if any candidate can contest for the party's tickets unhindered. Those who don't win today can win tomorrow.


Candidates freely participating in presidential elections will inspire future generations that the ballot box is the appropriate route to seek elective positions while we continue to evolve better systems.




The prevailing opinions that make virtually all discussions about the 2023 limited to Tinubu is unhealthy for the country.

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Re: The Bola Tinubu Dilemma: Does APC Want To Win With Him Or Lose Without Him? by oyatz(m): 8:07pm On Dec 22, 2021
Kriss216:

You're right. APC might give the ticket to SS or SE to finish Tinubu patapata. This move will make the SW neutral in 2023 election.

The North will win via Atiku.

This is the situation we were trying to avoid in 2015 and 2019, but, the Yorubas were calling us 3rd class citizens, that we don't know how to play politics.

No one should talk about Southern unity until after the 2023 elections. We must learn the hard way.

And after Atiku has won, what do you think will happen to politicians in the APC?
Re: The Bola Tinubu Dilemma: Does APC Want To Win With Him Or Lose Without Him? by oyatz(m): 8:12pm On Dec 22, 2021
slimghost:


If Tinubu is really your choice of candidate, then there is something wrong with you.
A deeply corrupt individual whose anti democratic values have ensured the absence of free and fair elections in Lagos state for decades.
A man that keeps looting Lagos blind till today and nepotistic to a fault. Go and read about his senator wife, his Iyaloja daughter and his son.
Nigeria is really cursed for some humans to even think up this man’s name as a presidential candidate.

Who is your choice for the presidency?

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Re: The Bola Tinubu Dilemma: Does APC Want To Win With Him Or Lose Without Him? by oyatz(m): 8:59pm On Dec 22, 2021
AntonVince:
Another SWAGA cum Tinubu-sponsored hogwash.

What exactly does the North you so much hinge your electoral hope on stand to gain from a Tinubu candidacy?
...and so what if the party loses with Tinubu?
I mean how does the APC's post-2023 survival potentially benefit northerners?
The APC is just a political party...a vehicle for God's sake and not a religion!

cheesy grin

With Buhari's ascension in 2015, the party has since achieved the fundamental purpose of its formation which was to oust GEJ and install a northerner.
The Bullion-Van criminal is the only person so desperate for the APC's survival all for his selfish, greed-driven ambition.

Atiku will most likely fly the PDP's ticket in 2023 and will definitely win the north...including most APC-controlled states.
Nobody owes Tinubu nothing!


Let me explain party politics to you.

1) Everybody has one or two Personal interests in politics.

2) What we call collective interests is actually a summation of several personal interests.

3) Political parties give politicians and the electorates the vehicles to actualize their personal interests.

4) ordinary masses like you most likely don't directly benefit anything from the political parties, so your interests is often limited to sentimental feelings that 'our tribe/region' is in power or the tribe/Region that we hate is not in power.

5) However, real politicians stand to directly benefit from the victories of a particular party or the other and they always work to ensure their parties win.
For instance, if PDP should win the presidential election, the chances of APC candidates to become Senate President or win Governorship or Senatorial elections will greatly diminish.

Many Northern politicians who worked against their party, the PDP also lost their political relevance in their States, though majority of the Northern heavy duty politicians have crossed to the APC by Dec,2014.



For the PDP to win in 2023, a sizable chunk of the APC need to decamp to the PDP.

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Re: The Bola Tinubu Dilemma: Does APC Want To Win With Him Or Lose Without Him? by BabbanBura(m): 10:04pm On Dec 22, 2021
oyatz:


You don't really understand democracy and party politics.


Tinubu should pursue his presidential ambition to logical conclusion and damn all consequences.


Our political parties will be more matured if any candidate can contest for the party's tickets unhindered. Those who don't win today can win tomorrow.


Candidates freely participating in presidential elections will inspire future generations that the ballot box is the appropriate route to seek elective positions while we continue to evolve better systems.




The prevailing opinions that make virtually all discussions about the 2023 limited to Tinubu is unhealthy for the country.

I fully agree with everything you wrote here but if this is a response to what I wrote, then you definitely didn't understand me
Re: The Bola Tinubu Dilemma: Does APC Want To Win With Him Or Lose Without Him? by adelaja70(m): 9:37am On Dec 23, 2021
slimghost:


If Tinubu is really your choice of candidate, then there is something wrong with you.
A deeply corrupt individual whose anti democratic values have ensured the absence of free and fair elections in Lagos state for decades.
A man that keeps looting Lagos blind till today and nepotistic to a fault. Go and read about his senator wife, his Iyaloja daughter and his son.
Nigeria is really cursed for some humans to even think up this man’s name as a presidential candidate.
Why are you so dumb... I ask you a question but na story you dey talk.

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