triplechoice:


But it's the story teller that has created the much faster subjective time in the show .

Evolution in AI's should happen independently if not, we are creating something and no longer observing it evolve on their own.

DeepSight:


Beautiful.
Lordreed.... pls I hope what he said about cats talking is not lost on you....

LordReed:


Ehh, how does making something evolve mean it didn't evolve?

I told you right now we can increase simulation time in our current day computers, it's not merely a storytelling device.

LordReed:


I really don't see what it has to do with it honestly. AI evolution will not follow biological evolution especially in time scale.

LordReed:


I really don't see what it has to do with it honestly. AI evolution will not follow biological evolution especially in time scale.

triplechoice:


You talk here as if you're sure of how AI evolution would happen.

If AI evolution will not follow biological evolution ,then what gives you the certainty that it would happen the way you think?

triplechoice:


But we are talking of the possibility of AI's evolving on their own to confirm if life happened by chance from matter.

When we get involved directly in the process, what can we say then? chance or deliberate creation of something?

And no matter what you say about a simulated time, AI's becoming sentient can only happen in real time.

LordReed:


I don't know what path or conditions will bring it about but I am certain it won't follow biological evolution simply because it is not biological. You seem to want to insist that it must be exactly like a biological organism when it clearly isn't.

triplechoice:


It's you that's has not made it initially clear what path that it would take.

Now that you have said it wouldn't be biological, I am going to repeat what I already declared;
AI'S, if they wouldn't evolve biologically and become sentient, would only do so when cats start to talk suddenly.

Why do I say so?

The main mechanism which makes it possible for AI's to replicate human behaviour is fixed and can only change by human intervention.

This is unlike the human brain that can evolve or devolve naturally on its own due to plasticity.

So tell us , How can something that's fixed suddenly change into another thing on its own and start operating differently?


Or do you think someday cars would suddenly grow wings and start to fly?

I am not trying to mock you here, but it's what I can only make from all you have argued so far.


And untill you can show me a little of the science which has inspired what you're envisioning concerning AI's, I would continue to place all you have been saying in the same category as the popular rapture vision of some Pentecostal Christians. We know rapture won't happen . It's crazy talk.

Where's the science about what you think. Let's discuss that, so we stop assuming about what's possible or not possible.

I have already explained that it's an impossibility from a scientific point of view and even from some other position you can think of it.

LordReed:


LoLz. This is funny what is AI if not software and why would software not have plasticity when it can be infinitely adjusted. Unlike us biological organisms an AI would be functionally immortal. There is nothing that says AI would not change or adapt. I dunno what makes you say it is fixed.

Any of the current neural network based machine learning capable AI experiments already show that capability of adapting. Right now there are commercial available AI chatbots, the new fad all the banks are using now. Its practically the same code but it can be made to serve lots of different roles or communicate in different languages. Of course we are not at the point where the AI will rewrite its own code but its certainly not an impossibility.

Why do you think its an impossibility? What in science says AI cannot gain sentience?

triplechoice:


So where would the consciousness come from in the first place for an AI to change its software by itself and become sentient? Or how would those software change on their own to enable sentience?



The artificial neural networks in modern AI's are not exactly the same as the one in the human brain. They don't form and dissolve exactly the same way.

The former is not flexible while the latter is.
What you're envisioning will never happen.

It's an impossibility for AI' to have sentience because they're machines without any form of life. Life has to be present first before any kind of sentience can happen. It's as simple as that.

There's no general consensus in the sciences where life or consciousness has emerged from. But you seem to be certain where it has emerged to be so sure that one day AI's would become sentient.

And just look at what you wrote up there. You said it's certainly not an impossibility that AI's can rewrite their own codes someday. Ha!

Honestly this is getting crazy

triplechoice:


Yea. I know about the show and also understand what in the sciences that has inspired it.

It's hoped that in the future AI's may suddenly become sentient or develop their own form of consciousness that would make it possible for an independent existence of their own.

My response to such vision is that it won't see the light of day. It can only happen when cats suddenly start to talk .

What happened in that show can never happen in real life because consciousness evolves ,not at once ,but with time.

It would be a negation of one of the principles of evolution if AI's suddenly become sentient as we saw in Westworld.

The best we can hope for in real life would be AI's that would replicate human behaviour so perfectly well that we may struggle to see any difference between them and a real human being.

Those futuristic AI's, when they become possible, will never be sentient no matter the level of technology used in their production.

LordReed:
@DeepSight, triplechoice, budaatum, TheSourcerer,

Have you seen the show Westworld? What do you think about it if you have? See it if you haven't, it's quite thought provoking.

budaatum:


Vaguely remember the '73 film. Will make the 2016 series my Christmas watch.

LordReed:


Oh please do. I was imagining you as one of the characters. LMAO!

budaatum:

I wonder which of the characters. Guess might find out when I watch.

triplechoice:

A self refuting banner. Clutching at straws.

A shameless man would do anything to cover his shame. .

Question:. What is NDE?

budaatum.: It means attempting suicide twice and thinking it is NDE

budaatum:


That said, triple. I do not usually maintain conversations with individuals who need to lie to justify their positions as I do not tend to see the point of stating the obvious fact they must know they are lying.

triplechoice:


Then ,What I was suspecting was true after all.

You have shamelessly gone back to your vomit after your " your time is up" declaration.

I will respond to your latest craziness later in the day
I have some job to do now.

budaatum:


You must be tired of your fight with others and think you can entice buda into one.

Good luck with that.

triplechoice:


You have quoted me here on this thread after several months with this,"+1 ".

triplechoice:

here, with the excuse of an history that should be forgotten....

triplechoice:

OBEs and NDEs in case you don't know, I know you don't know, is currently being investigated by those in the main body of sciences, and not just individual scientists working on their own, to understand better the phenomenon ,so as to bring it into the realm of the exacting sciences for further investigation in order to established its reality different from what religious people are saying about it. I mentioned Aware11 and 111 in that thread, and they just released an update on their recent findings.

"The significance and mechanisms that lead to these experiences are not fully understood – we do not know if they matter or why they happen."
https://www.hra.nhs.uk/planning-and-improving-research/application-summaries/research-summaries/aware-ii/

Emergency Department or Research staff will be alerted to cardiac arrest and will attend with portable brain oxygen monitoring devices and a tablet which will display visual images upwards above the patient as resuscitation is taking place.

Survivors will then be followed up and with their consent will have in-depth, audio recorded interviews.