In many of my discussions on ethnic politics and culture I consistently show my frustrations with lack of will by Igbos to initiate constructive plan of action to re-energize their limp political image.

It is refreshing to see some starters. With continued effort and determined focus it should get better.


I noticed that the forum is flooded with Igbo titled discussions. Although a lot are still rough on the edges and betrays the motive in which Igbo is intending to cement itself -forcefully- against mounting challenges and threats to its dominating majority in the East.

Credit should be given to their effort for reconciliation and reunification with the Ijaws.

It would be encouraging to see more of these humbled approach, than the confrontational and annoying approach of seizing and re-authoring histories and ancestries of formidable neighbors who prefer a standalone existence to the joint-destiny linkage desired by the Igbos.


If Igbos can repeat with these sub-groups the kind of negotiating contact they initiated with the Ijaws, then the power of goodwill in the negotiated terms could perhaps win some hearts to their side and a forceful hijack of history should no be necessary.

Negotiate! Negotiate!! Negotiate!!!

Negotiate with your neighbors, otherwise your rival is perceived as a better alternative. They might break cultural lines to give allegiance to those who are on the other end of the cultural bridge.

Shed your arrogance, improve your relational skills!

Negro-Nts, I agree with you on the part of the flood of Igbo-titled threads, in terms of frequency, though I would not equate it with desperation. What I do not agree with though, is the point about origin re-writing and Igbo-Ijo relations.

What is it you dispute about the rewrites and the "Ijo negotiation"?

Rewrites; I will begin by asking you, are at all familiar with what the Ijo claim regarding themselves and other southern Nigerian groups? If you knew, then you would know who is 'rewriting' what.

Negotiations; the Ijo have long-since had a disposition. This ought not be news to anyone familiar. This disposition is what gets in the way of negotiations, period. So if you seriously want to talk about 'negotiation', then I suggest you address an assembly of Ijo, because you are addressing the wrong people by addressing the Igbo. In fact, let me just excuse myself from talking on 'negotiations' or Igbo/Ijo relations, because even to simply think about such is annoying me.

We are settling land disputes using white man's record of who owns what. The white man had no lifetime interest in the origin of ownership but he was primarily interested in subduing the land and its people through allegiance. So land ownerships were re-drawn to follow with vested allegiance. The white man created a long term war between a people that had cohabited for centuries before his arrival.

It makes sense if we can go back into the pre-white man history and review the ownerships and then draw new agreements to remedy the issue and then renew relations.

This calls for "Negotiation".


The disposition of the Ijos is an echo of what many other sub groups in the East fear; a surbordinate class!

Ijos do not need the Igbos, but the Igbos need the Ijos. As the current majority and the seat of regional political power, you have the burden to manage and get a meaningful, a committed outcome from the negotiation. You approach them as partners in a common front; that front ma y or may not be a Biafra sovereignty but you nonetheless need their alliance.

You might have to compromise and loose certain security in order to acquire a new and more important one to Biafran future.

Negro_Ntns:

We are settling land disputes using white man's record of who owns what. The white man had no lifetime interest in the origin of ownership but he was primarily interested in subduing the land and its people through allegiance. So land ownerships were re-drawn to follow with vested allegiance. The white man created a long term war between a people that had cohabited for centuries before his arrival. 

Such a claim makes no sense. Essentially, you're saying that for a group of people with no interest in origin, they came to actively re-draw the origins of various people; to spend time actively manufacture tales of origin, just so they can subdue land? That hardly makes sense. In fact, it would seem to me that if the whites were that uninterested in origins, then they would either not write/record origins, or would just record what natives told them, and then be about their colonial administrative business. A people so uninterested in origin would not spend time actively trying to re-write them, 'just to subdue land'. Do you even know how that sounds?

Negro_Ntns:

It makes sense if we can go back into the pre-white man history and review the ownerships and then draw new agreements to remedy the issue and then renew relations.

Here is what I'm saying. The Ijo have a disposition. Trust me, you do not want to go back to pre-white history, especially in regards to eastern Ijo groups, Bonny in particular.

Negro_Ntns:

This calls for "Negotiation".

Any reasonable/realistic person would know that such just is not possible.

Negro_Ntns:

The disposition of the Ijos is an echo of what many other sub groups in the East fear; a surbordinate class!

Unwarranted if you ask me. Any reasonable/familiar individual would be familiar with the 'sub-group' dynamics within 'Igbo' and consequently know that subordination is the least of anyone's worries.

Negro_Ntns:

Ijos do not need the Igbos, but the Igbos need the Ijos. As the current majority and the seat of regional political power, you have the burden to manage and get a meaningful, a committed outcome from the negotiation.

This makes no sense, at least to me. In fact, you'll have to explain how, according to you, Igbo 'as the current majority and the seat of regional political power' need the Ijo.

Negro_Ntns:

You approach them as partners in a common front; that front ma y or may not be a Biafra sovereignty but you nonetheless need their alliance.

That has been tried before; ended in failure. In fact the only success is GEJ's presidential landslide victory, and even that can barely be called the result of any kind of partnership/alliance.

Negro_Ntns:

You might have to compromise and loose certain security in order to acquire a new and more important one to Biafran future. 

No Biafran future. No compromise. No negotiation. Let's be simply realistic, the time for that has long since passed.

White man recorded what he was told but he published and made into law what he desired, which often times is opposite of reality on the ground.

What is the Ijo diSposition? Educate me.

If you read in my entry post I emphasized Negotiations. The key to Yoruba survival is the willingness of the center to share power. When an internal conflict breaks, the center absorbs risk management and continously run around putting out fires here and there until the whole inferno is subdued. It does not dictate to the autonomous powers within the Nation, instead it serves as a resource for their needs.

When dealing with an external conflict the center first assesses the interest of the component powers to see the impact to them. If damaging, it absorbs the humiliation. If not impacting, it launches a counter attack.

Igbo need a risk management and negotiating plan that work and give you eminence above the powers you ambitiously desire to control, in a Biafran setting or in a Nigerian one.

The white man recorded what he was told, but published only what he desired, and to top it off, all over Nigerian universities we have access to raw, unpublished intelligence reports, written by colonials about natives, from information told to them by natives; intelligence reports which support the things they published.

Ijo Disposition: Let me ask you, do you know anything about Igbo/Ijo relations? Do you know the current state of the relation?

Keep emphasizing negotiation. I will keep telling you that it isn't the Igbo you should be talking to, but the Ijo.

So the template letter of the 'protection against enemy' treaty which the white man used to dupe the native rulers into signing off their land and authority to him was an accurate reflection that the natives were "indeed" under an imminent enemy attack?

The redrawing of Northern boundary and allocations based on demographics was an accurate reflection of truthful population count?


Yes, I have discussed it many times in my past debates on the civil war - the before and after.


If you view negotiation as a sign of weakness and capitulation to a lesser authority then you do not understand what negotiation means. You are unfamiliar with the concept of conflict resolution and mediation. I suspect this is generally so for your people and explains why you locked down and refuse to open up and embrace those fundamentally important to the survival of your re-emergence as a strong and politically relevant voice.

A big brother embracing his little brother after a fight and renewing fraternal bonds does not mean he is weak.

If you disagree with that then you need a new understanding in human relations.

Negro_Ntns:

So the template letter of the 'protection against enemy' treaty which the white man used to dupe the native rulers into signing off their land and authority to him was an accurate reflection that the natives were "indeed" under an imminent enemy attack?

The redrawing of Northern boundary and allocations based on demographics was an accurate reflection of truthful population count?


Yes, I have discussed it many times in my past debates on the civil war - the before and after.


If you view negotiation as a sign of weakness and capitulation to a lesser authority then you do not understand what negotiation means. You are unfamiliar with the concept of conflict resolution and mediation. I suspect this is generally so for your people and explains why you locked down and refuse to open up and embrace those fundamentally important to the survival of your re-emergence as a strong and politically relevant voice.

A big brother embracing his little brother after a fight and renewing fraternal bonds does not mean he is weak.

If you disagree with that then you need a new understanding in human relations.

Mother phucking kunt slapper, are you so jobless that the only thing you can occupy your idle brain with is just to attack anything Igbo from one thread to another?. Once again, get a life you mother phucking bither shags.

In fact, thank goodness for technlogy, my smartphone allows me to participate online wherever I can get signal. That means I can post at work, off work, in the club, from the stadium, while reclining on bed, , I guess the only time I have off is when I'm eating or sleeping or in a meeting.


So far as getting me off your back, this monkey does not know how to run off

Negro_Ntns:

In fact, thank goodness for technlogy, my smartphone allows me to participate online wherever I can get signal. That means I can post at work, off work, in the club, from the stadium, while reclining on bed, , I guess the only time I have off is when I'm eating or sleeping or in a meeting.


So far as getting me off your back, this monkey does not know how to run off

Is that why a shameless bigot like you chose only to spill hatred on any topic that has to do with Igbo. In this section of nairaland, there are Edo threads, Fulani etc, yet you singled out the Igbo for your ugly mission. Castrated monkey, quit dreaming of the Igbo before it chokes you in your dream. Idiott.

I do not understand why people here on NL find it so difficult to comprehend simple words and simple points. Must I pretend as if I am Patrick Obahiagbon before people on NL get a clue of the simple messages I convey?

Negro-Nts, you are assuming waaaaayy too much. First of all, the way the whites divided up Nigeria (in fact Africa) has nothing to do with origins of various groups. You, nay, we, all know that. The lines and boundaries are, for the most part, all arbitrary. Example: I am Ngwa. When Colonial administration was looking to divide "eastern Igbo" into administrations units, the Ngwa were administratively split. Parts of Ngwa were in Bende administrative division, while some were in Aba division. This they did, even though Ngwa share no traditions of origin with the people of the then Bende division. There are plenty more examples of this all over Africa. So don't talk about template letter this, or redrawing of northern boundary that, as if you are making a real point. Those boundaries were for the most part arbitrary. You [/i]know that. [i]I know that. Hell, the general AFRICAN POPULACE KNOWS that. So you can't be so foolish as to think you are making a point with that.

Secondly, you're still going on about Igbo/Ijo relations. I will reiterate, if you are truly serious about the relationship between the Igbo/Ijo, then take up assembly with Ijo and find out how 'negotiations' can take place, if they even can. Don't come to the Igbo, as if any form of 'negotiation' is dependent upon us, because it isn't. The Igbo are not the problem. Big/little brother/fraternal relationship isn't the issue. Weakness is no where near the issue. The Igbo/Ijo relations have nothing to do with any of that, and everything to do with the Ijo. Go and take up assembly with them because the Igbo have no problem. The Igbo are present in many places of the Niger Delta, living their lives, schooling, trading, running businesses; no problem with the Ijo. In fact, the Igbo so much so have no problem with the Ijo that they even showed their own very strong support and approval of an Ijo man's presidential ambition, and in turn, helped play a major role in voting him into presidency, by a landslide victory. The Igbo are the wrong person to approach if you want to talk about 'negotiation'. I've told before, and I will tell you again. Take up assembly with the Ijo. This has EVERYTHING to do with them. This topic of Igbo/Ijo relations is even irritating me further, to say the least. So I will just leave you with this (so that I do not have to spend my time thinking about this useless topic of Igbo/Ijo relations): For negotiations, take up assembly with the Ijo. That is all I have to say to you. If you raise this issue again, I will repeat the same thing, over and over again, until you finally get this very simple message that it is the Ijo you should be talking to about 'negotiation' and not the Igbo.

What you said about the division of land and tribes is one aspect out of many that white man used to cause division.

The two aspets so far tabled, mine and yours are valid as root problem to some of the territorial conflicts that exist in Africa today.

As far as negotiating a conciliation, it is not just the Ijaw you have this lock-down problem with. The mention of Ijaw is because it came handy. You have a general issue when it comes to co-habitation with oithers. Far more so than any other tribal group with the rest of the pack.

Maybe beginning next door with your neighbor will serve a forum where your skills for building and sustaining relations can then mature and spread into other relations.

You know how to make money, but human relations is least of your abilities and aptitude.

I've advised you, go and take up assembly with the Ijo. In fact, there honestly shouldn't be any problem in terms of Igbo/Ijo relations. There honestly shouldn't be, but there is, and if you want to find out why, go and take up assembly with the Ijo, because there is honestly nothing the Igbo have to say about it; nothing the Igbo can say.

@ Negro_Ntns

You created this thread out of desperation for negotiation, right? Funnily you're not Igbo, so who is desperate?

You're really a f.o.o.l.

The Ijo have really done a good job of painting themselves as victims of non-existent Igbo oppression, or whatever atrocity they claim that the Igbo are doing to them. See yourself Negro-Nts here playing sympathizer, as if you do not know any better. Oh well. I still say that this relationship is dependent upon the Ijo. Anyone with any sense of understanding or familiarity would know that.

How about improving relations with others? Are you interested in a negotiation?

Negro_Ntns:

How about improving relations with others?  Are you interested in a negotiation?

If groups are looking for improved relations, then they should feel free to make efforts and make it known. They will see that with the Igbo it isn't a problem. How often, if ever, does one hear about the Igbo encamping in others' lands, starting village wars? All the Igbo generally do is go and school in various regions. Work in various regions. Set up shop in various regions, and just live their lives simple. But just this year alone, did the Ijo not invade Ondo villages and kill people? Was it not the Ijo who even kidnapped a Yoruba Oba? Some time ago, was it not the Ijo who incited territorial skirmishes between themselves and their Annang/Ibibo hosts? Even, ask the Ogoni what they think of Ijo or how they feel about them. People are here talking about Igbo this, Igbo oppressing that; Igbo dominating those, fighting for land, when the truth is, the Ijo are the only group in all of southern Nigeria who actively incite and fight with their neighbors.

People's worry about Igbo is evidently very unwarranted. In short, if any of group is looking for improved relations with the Igbo, then they should feel free. There really have nothing to worry about.

ChinenyeN:

If groups are looking for improved relations, then they should feel free to make efforts and make it known. They will see that with the Igbo it isn't a problem. How often, if ever, does one hear about the Igbo encamping in others' lands, starting village wars? All the Igbo generally do is go and school in various regions. Work in various regions. Set up shop in various regions, and just live their lives simple. But just this year alone, did the Ijo not invade Ondo villages and kill people? Was it not the Ijo who even kidnapped a Yoruba Oba? Some time ago, was it not the Ijo who incited territorial skirmishes between themselves and their Annang/Ibibo hosts? Even, ask the Ogoni what they think of Ijo or how they feel about them. People are here talking about Igbo this, Igbo oppressing that; Igbo dominating those, fighting for land, when the truth is, the Ijo are the only group in all of southern Nigeria who actively incite and fight with their neighbors.

People's worry about Igbo is evidently very unwarranted. In short, if any of group is looking for improved relations with the Igbo, then they should feel free. There really have nothing to worry about.

Great post ChinenyeN. Why can't you act like this most of the time?

EzeUche, earlier (maybe in this topic, I'm not sure) I said that I don't take many things here on NL seriously, but this issue with Ijo is one that strikes a thick nerve with me. So, I am compelled to offer up a reply or two to it. Other things though, don't strike me the same way. That does not mean that I have nothing to say on those issues/topics. I definitely have things that I would otherwise like to say; I just don't say them.

As I have noticed, I believe you will be a great assest to any level-headed discussions on improving relations, if for nothing else but the fact that your temperament and tenacity provides a counter-balance that will anchor a mediating session and help block the sides from exploding on one another.
You are a model for these men. Teach Eze how to talk to people.

Negro_Ntns:

As I have noticed, I believe you will be a great assest to any level-headed discussions on improving relations, if for nothing else but the fact that your temperament and tenacity provides a counter-balance that will anchor a mediating session and help block the sides from exploding on one another.
You are a model for these men. Teach Eze how to talk to people.

Why would I want to talk to people, when Africans only understand force?

Try talking to a Riverine Ijaw and lets see if you succeed in persuading them.

Lol!

Don't worry about the Ijos, Fashola has a witholding plan for their arsse. Its a good thing they are hitting more targets, that will condescend their ego to try bigger targets. Hopefully they will return to Lagos and blow something up like they did last time.

It could very well be a life changing moment for their people.

Someone has definately taken more kunu than he needed.

Negro_Ntns:

In many of my discussions on ethnic politics and culture I consistently show my frustrations with lack of will by Igbos to initiate constructive plan of action to re-energize their limp political image.

It is refreshing to see some starters. With continued effort and determined focus it should get better.


I noticed that the forum is flooded with Igbo titled discussions. Although a lot are still rough on the edges and betrays the motive in which Igbo is intending to cement itself -forcefully- against mounting challenges and threats to its dominating majority in the East.

Credit should be given to their effort for reconciliation and reunification with the Ijaws.

It would be encouraging to see more of these humbled approach, than the confrontational and annoying approach of seizing and re-authoring histories and ancestries of formidable neighbors who prefer a standalone existence to the joint-destiny linkage desired by the Igbos.


If Igbos can repeat with these sub-groups the kind of negotiating contact they initiated with the Ijaws, then the power of goodwill in the negotiated terms could perhaps win some hearts to their side and a forceful hijack of history should no be necessary.

Negotiate! Negotiate!! Negotiate!!!

Negotiate with your neighbors, otherwise your rival is perceived as a better alternative. They might break cultural lines to give allegiance to those who are on the other end of the cultural bridge.

Shed your arrogance, improve your relational skills!

The above post is a piece of junk created by a deluded onlooker. I shall give you credit for one thing thus your ability to recognize the forum is sometimes flooded with Igbo topic. Other than this infinitesimal observation, I suggest you pay attention to your medication. Let me attempt to ingest the fact the Ndigbo do not need any group in Nigeria and particularly Ijo to survive as an independent country or as a part of Nigeria.

It was not too long ago that a particular group of people decided and still continue to seek ways to secede from Nigeria. Since the end of the civil war, the victorious side has done everything within human capacity to dim the progressiveness of Ndigbo through draconian policies and junk piece of write-ups that lacked basic facts such as the rubbish posted by Negro_Ntn in order to raise unfounded sentiments. Maybe you have forgotten the abandon property saga and unprogressive boundary adjustment initiated by federal government immediately after the civil war.

I'm not familiar with the Negro_Ntns character, so I can't conclude if this post is out of genuine concern or just another Igbo bashing post. In any case, I've never understood this Igbo phobia that runs rampant with some of our minority neighbors. One hardly sees Igbos taking an aggressive stance with any of the southern minority groups, and Igbos would have given the same support they gave to Jonathan, to another individual from any of the southern minority groups, given the same circumstances.
   My belief is that most of these groups made a conscious effort to dissociate themselves from the Igbo after the civil war, and I cannot say that I blame them for doing for doing so. Now, if this arrangement is not working out as expected, do not turn around to accuse the Igbo of high-handedness, trying to dominate you or refusing to negotiate. How many times, even on this forum, would Igbos extend a hand in friendship only to be met by a people that want nothing to do with us. Negotiation is a two way street. Even when Igbos have attempted to initiate some negotiation, we are accused of meddling, with intent to dominate.
    Anybody that wants to negotiate can come forth and meet us halfway(where we have always been), just like the Ijaw did when they needed our support for GEJ and suddenly realized we were their brothers. Quite funny. That is the much we can do, we are NOT your enemy in any sense, but one cannot forge an alliance where there is no reciprocity.