DeepSight:


Anything and everything that aligns with and caters to their religious preferences!
Can you not see how that is a problem?

And can you not therefore see that it is unwise to begin to make allowances for religious outfits in the first place?

That's not a problem. Their some things that are compulsory in peoples religions. We should respect each other faith and tolerate each other. How would you feel if you were to give up something in your faith because you wanna serve in the public service? Christian police officers do morning devotion in police stations, Christian police officers have their chaplains, same as their Muslim brothers. If they need anything else which is compulsory in their faith, the Christians should get it.
This is not about dividing each other. It's about recognizing our diversity and differences, accepting these diversities, then we tolerate them.

NGpatriot:




Ode oponu lawyer, he actually made the government's point and the need to be neutral.




Being neutral means you allow people to freely practice their religion as enshrined in our constitution. You can not discriminate against any religion or how it's practiced and propagated. Wearing hijabs is how people practice and propagate their religion.

These ignorant kabukabu lawyers actually reason like 2-year-old kids, their own religious arrogance comes first before Nigeria and other religious practices.

In America and the western world where you coppy demiicracy, they wear hijabs..

Always interesting how you guys are quick to make references to the US & UK when you want to pursue a narrative that favour your region and religion but discard it like it's hot when the actual democratic practices of those country are canvassed for .... I hope in thesame vein you subscribe to the principles of true federalism as it concerns Resource control, state policing etc as practiced in those countries.

And to correct your erroneous point...the police dress code across states and counties in those countries are independently governed and they make their own rules and guidelines as it suits them. No such blanket dress code exist in those countries.

So Muslims can wear their hijab or burqa on their official uniforms if they want but it should be confined to their region such selective posturing by the police high command abuses the sensibilities of other religious faithfuls be it orthodox or traditional especially in a multicultural cum multi religious country as Nigeria.

DeepSight:


The truth is that the US and UK have become hyper-sensitive to offending Islam or Muslims, and that is the reason for this.
Why didnt you mention France, by the way?

Lol, US and U.K. hypersensitive? You must be joking. They would have been the most fierce against Islamic interest because they are the true lapdogs of Israel. But they believe in liberty more than France, that’s why they allow that. France is a backward western country, ask anyone inside France.

DeepSight:


Bear in mind that Nigeria is far more ethnically and religiously diverse and complicated than most of those societies.

It's not about your bigotry opinion, it's about the constitution.

The policy is in line with our constitution,.

Stormtrooper11:


That's not a problem. Their some things that are compulsory in peoples religions. We should respect each other faith and tolerate each other. How would you feel if you were to give up something in your faith because you wanna serve in the public service? Christian police officers do morning devotion in police stations, Christian police officers have their chaplains, same as their Muslim brothers. If they need anything else which is compulsory in their faith, the Christians should get it.
This is not about dividing each other. It's about recognizing our diversity and differences, accepting these diversities, then we tolerate them.

The truth is that we simply dont wish to be serious or grown up in these matters otherwise we would recognize that religion is a personal matter and should not be brought into the workplace especially in any way that interferes with the nature of required work, or established standards of professionalism. This is the same way in which you have Muslims every where and in every ministry and department who will insist on leaving their desks for their prescribed prayers multiple times a day. Even in situations where it is manifestly unreasonable and even dangerous to others (such as a hospitable for instance). You will have people saying that, oh no, its my faith, and it comes before everything else. The truth is that if it is that important then please dont take that job that may require your service at prayer time, okay?

Don't go to a school that has a uniform, a force that has a uniform, or any other organization that has a uniform and insist on wearing your own religious outfit because "it is my faith and it comes above everything else." That is nonsensical indiscipline and lack of professionalism. That is just like a female soldier refusing to wear trousers as prescribed battle-gear and insisting on wearing maybe a burqa at the war front because it is her faith and comes before everything else. We really should stop all this nonsense: your religion is your private affair, practice it in private and stop imposing it on process and systems that ought to be standardized and professional.

If you will be consistent with what you are saying just imagine an adherent of the Celestial Church of Christ insisting on attending to official functions at a work place bare-footed, because it is his or her faith. Is that not nonsensical, and yet if you insist on this argument of "it is my faith" then you ought to permit not just that, but every other religious oddity that it may take anyone's fancy to wear in a work place, including dreadlocks for Rastafarians.

NGpatriot:



It's not about your bigotry opinion, it's about the constitution.

The policy is in line with our constitution,.

Freedom of religion does not mean the right to impose your religious customs on the workplace, otherwise you should agree that Rastafarians should have the right to wear dreadlocks to any workplace where they are staff.

You are free to practice your religion especially privately. You cant impose it on public processes and systems.

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DeepSight:


Freedom of religion does not mean the right to impose your religious customs on the workplace, otherwise you should agree that Rastafarians should have the right to wear dreadlocks to any workplace where they are staff.

You are free to practice your religion especially privately. You cant impose it on public processes and systems.

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Rubbish.

NGpatriot:



Rubbish.

Really?
What about permitting rastafarians to wear dreadlocks in the workplace?
Or white garment people to go barefooted in the Force?

- - - >

DeepSight:


The truth is that we simply dont wish to be serious or grown up in these matters otherwise we would recognize that religion is a personal matter and should not be brought into the workplace especially in any way that interferes with the nature of required work, or established standards of professionalism. This is the same way in which you have Muslims every where and in every ministry and department who will insist on leaving their desks for their prescribed prayers multiple times a day. Even in situations where it is manifestly unreasonable and even dangerous to others (such as a hospitable for instance). You will have people saying that, oh no, its my faith, and it comes before everything else. The truth is that if it is that important then please dont take that job that may require your service at prayer time, okay?

Don't go to a school that has a uniform, a force that has a uniform, or any other organization that has a uniform and insist on wearing your own religious outfit because "it is my faith and it comes above everything else." That is nonsensical indiscipline and lack of professionalism. That is just like a female soldier refusing to wear trousers as prescribed battle-gear and insisting on wearing maybe a burqa at the war front because it is her faith and comes before everything else. We really should stop all this nonsense: your religion is your private affair, practice it in private and stop imposing it on process and systems that ought to be standardized and professional.

If you will be consistent with what you are saying just imagine an adherent of the Celestial Church of Christ insisting on attending to official functions at a work place bare-footed, because it is his or her faith. Is that not nonsensical, and yet if you insist on this argument of "it is my faith" then you ought to permit not just that, but every other religious oddity that it may take anyone's fancy to wear in a work place, including dreadlocks for Rastafarians.

DeepSight:


The truth is that we simply dont wish to be serious or grown up in these matters otherwise we would recognize that religion is a personal matter and should not be brought into the workplace especially in any way that interferes with the nature of required work, or established standards of professionalism. This is the same way in which you have Muslims every where and in every ministry and department who will insist on leaving their desks for their prescribed prayers multiple times a day. Even in situations where it is manifestly unreasonable and even dangerous to others (such as a hospitable for instance). You will have people saying that, oh no, its my faith, and it comes before everything else. The truth is that if it is that important then please dont take that job that may require your service at prayer time, okay?

Don't go to a school that has a uniform, a force that has a uniform, or any other organization that has a uniform and insist on wearing your own religious outfit because "it is my faith and it comes above everything else." That is nonsensical indiscipline and lack of professionalism. That is just like a female soldier refusing to wear trousers as prescribed battle-gear and insisting on wearing maybe a burqa at the war front because it is her faith and comes before everything else. We really should stop all this nonsense: your religion is your private affair, practice it in private and stop imposing it on process and systems that ought to be standardized and professional.

If you will be consistent with what you are saying just imagine an adherent of the Celestial Church of Christ insisting on attending to official functions at a work place bare-footed, because it is his or her faith. Is that not nonsensical, and yet if you insist on this argument of "it is my faith" then you ought to permit not just that, but every other religious oddity that it may take anyone's fancy to wear in a work place, including dreadlocks for Rastafarians.

You're correct.

NGpatriot:



Ok, do you want to wear your white Christian robe too? If yes, lobby the police commission for that allowance if it makes sense to you.

The IG is a Muslim, so for him to have done that is an abuse of power. That is how the problem starts. It is better a government institution remains neutral

NGpatriot:



Rubbish.

Or wait oh - is it that you are unaware that dreadlocks are a feature of the Rastafarian religious get-up?

fergie001:


Ebun-Olu Adegboruwa, SAN
05/03/2022

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This is a serious matter.
Islamisation of this nation must be stopped

WAHALA !
THIS ONE NA D MATTER FOR THIS WEEK AGAIN ?
GOD HELP US .

fergie001:


Ebun-Olu Adegboruwa, SAN
05/03/2022

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This is the worse country I have seen, what is hijab doing in a force regiment, just like they differentiate their Muslim girls from the Christian girls in secondary schools where the Christian girls were picked by the bandits, that's same thing they are bringing into many sectors, eg: the lawyers and doctors wearing hijab is unprofessional and not norms of such organizations, however we know that all these being introduced in the country is a bid to islamized Nigeria which is the biggest impossible thing on earth by God's great grace. If the IG of police is unaware of his duties, let someone who knows better spell it out for him. This is Nigeria and not a Muslim country.

Ttalk:
Why is every news coming from this country today so embarrassing and annoying

It is just too sad that just when we try to see some hope, then we always hear of these madness from the Government and people. Pure madness!!
They are trying to be like Saudi Arabia or UAE, but only in Sycophancy and not in developments.
You can't supply electricity, no fuel, bad roads everywhere. The current Nigerian Police is a complete sham! A complete disgrace!! Now proposing to have religious identity, it will be completely fu.ked!

Sammy07:


Lol, that's wrong.
If everyone starts it,

See this guy, you asked a question, you still say it is wrong.

This shows that you are not opposing it because you feel every one deserves equal treatment, you just hate it because it is the Hijab, like I said, if catholics want to dress like nuns, or traditionists want to dress like traditionists, I don't care as long as it does not it does not harm others.

BestJay:
This is the worse country I have seen, what is hijab doing in a force regiment, just like they differentiate their Muslim girls from the Christian girls in secondary schools where the Christian girls were picked by the bandits, that's same thing they are bringing into many sectors, eg: the lawyers and doctors wearing hijab is unprofessional and not norms of such organizations, however we know that all these being introduced in the country is a bid to islamized Nigeria which is the biggest impossible thing on earth by God's great grace. If the IG of police is unaware of his duties, let someone who knows better spell it out for him. This is Nigeria and not a Muslim country.

Why should the Muslim girls have to be the ones to dress like Christian girls so that students should be indistinguishable, I can as well say that the Christian girls should dress like the Muslim girls if you care so much about them not being differentiable.

Bunch of jokers.

DeepSight:


The truth is that we simply dont wish to be serious or grown up in these matters otherwise we would recognize that religion is a personal matter and should not be brought into the workplace especially in any way that interferes with the nature of required work, or established standards of professionalism. This is the same way in which you have Muslims every where and in every ministry and department who will insist on leaving their desks for their prescribed prayers multiple times a day. Even in situations where it is manifestly unreasonable and even dangerous to others (such as a hospitable for instance). You will have people saying that, oh no, its my faith, and it comes before everything else. The truth is that if it is that important then please dont take that job that may require your service at prayer time, okay?

Don't go to a school that has a uniform, a force that has a uniform, or any other organization that has a uniform and insist on wearing your own religious outfit because "it is my faith and it comes above everything else." That is nonsensical indiscipline and lack of professionalism. That is just like a female soldier refusing to wear trousers as prescribed battle-gear and insisting on wearing maybe a burqa at the war front because it is her faith and comes before everything else. We really should stop all this nonsense: your religion is your private affair, practice it in private and stop imposing it on process and systems that ought to be standardized and professional.

If you will be consistent with what you are saying just imagine an adherent of the Celestial Church of Christ insisting on attending to official functions at a work place bare-footed, because it is his or her faith. Is that not nonsensical, and yet if you insist on this argument of "it is my faith" then you ought to permit not just that, but every other religious oddity that it may take anyone's fancy to wear in a work place, including dreadlocks for Rastafarians.

If he decides to move around barefooted, why will I oppose it?, Is it my leg, if he is happy with it, that is his problem.

Agbegbaorogboye:
I said it

It will make religious militia easier to identify and attack those they consider Haram.

alfarouq:


See this guy, you asked a question, you still say it is wrong.

This shows that you are not opposing it because you feel every one deserves equal treatment, you just hate it because it is the Hijab, like I said, if catholics want to dress like nuns, or traditionists want to dress like traditionists, I don't care as long as it does not it does not harm others.

The original top and trousers are already westernized or "Christianized", so stop fighting because of ordinary scarf. It's senseless opposing scarf for our personnel when countries with less population of Muslim endorsed it. Hijab is a fundamental right of every Muslim female. It's not for fashion. You can't seperate hijab and islam. It's ordained by Allah. Why are the muslims not fighting because of quire dress wearing by lawyers?

seunmsg:


As a Muslim, will you be comfortable to allow a police officer wearing sango attire to handle your case? Will you be comfortable when a police officer wearing a catholic garb is assigned to handle your complain against a catholic member?

Some public services are very critical and as such requires a level playing field for everybody. Putting out the religion of police officers will not create that level as paying field. People should practice their religions at home and in worship centers. We should stop damaging this country with religion.

So, if he is not dressed as a Catholic, does that stop him from doing his job diligently or from taking the side of his fellow Catholic if he wants to.

If a person chose to be unprofessional in his job, he does not have to dress in a particular way for him to be unprofessional.

A Christian, Muslim or traditionists police officer who chose to be unprofessional and take the side of the guilty because they share the same beliefs will do that irrespective of the way he is dressed.

Instead of bringing new ideas and changes in the police training institutions and schools. Añd now planing to add more fire, despite yet to quench the old fire, that has been burning, Oga you need better advisers

sinkhole:
He is doing what Buhari sent him, that was why Buhari donated $1m to Alqaeda
But they are all stupid and unthinking! Wearing of religious cloth will immediately identify a police officer during the usual crises we normally have in Nigeria and that may be negative or positive for such officer. Let us assume that a female police officer is caught up in a Christian area of Plateau/Jos during one of their numerous crises or in Kano, the rest is best left for our imaginations.

Let the north be misbehaving with their money. Not use southern wealth to oppress and ram their islamic code down our throats. Every state should control their resources 100percent.Have state police.if kano wants hisbah fine.They should pay them from yam farming.

seunmsg:
Will the hijab make them better police officers? Instead of reforming and repositioning the police for better service delivery, we are concerned about introducing garbs that will polarize the force on religions line. Smh.

Point of correction, he the IGP is concerned about introducing garbs that will polrize the force on religion lines.....

alfarouq:

If he decides to move around barefooted, why will I oppose it?, Is it my leg, if he is happy with it, that is his problem.

You are speaking as though we are talking about him moving around barefooted in his private life and private business. We are talking about him insisting on doing so in the professional environment of his workplace. That makes a signal difference.

seunmsg:


As a Muslim, will you be comfortable to allow a police officer wearing sango attire to handle your case? Will you be comfortable when a police officer wearing a catholic garb is assigned to handle your complain against a catholic member?

Some public services are very critical and as such requires a level playing field for everybody. Putting out the religion of police officers will not create that level as paying field. People should practice their religions at home and in worship centers. We should stop damaging this country with religion.

Thank you for ignoring those questions I asked

1. I might not be initially but I'm sure time I will, I was at a point taught by a catholic who put on this pendant of holy Mary on his chest(I don't know how to explain better)I was initially uncomfortable but with time I was since it wasn't affecting the teaching and a brilliant tutor at that

2. How many sango worshipers do you see wearing their robe everywhere like to the market and in their day to day activities

3. Well, regarding the catholic garb, I haven't been in that scenario but why would that be a problem, just like saying if I'm okay if an hausa person is the police settling dispute between me and another hausa

Regarding your last sentence, I wish we can but there's morning fellowship in almost all government parastatals

DeepSight:


You are speaking as though we are talking about him moving around barefooted in his private life and private business. We are talking about him insisting on doing so in the professional environment of his workplace. That makes a signal difference.

Nope, you are the one that is not getting my message.

If he insists to move around barefooted in the professional does that stop me or others from putting on my shoes?, Is it our legs?

As long as he does his job diligently and does not say others must join him in working around barefooted, It is his problem not mine.

Emir01:


The original top and trousers are already westernized or "Christianized", so stop fighting because of ordinary scarf. It's senseless opposing scarf for our personnel when countries with less population of Muslim endorsed it. Hijab is a fundamental right of every Muslim female. It's not for fashion. You can't seperate hijab and islam. It's ordained by Allah. Why are the muslims not fighting because of quire dress wearing by lawyers?

Will you support -

1. Adherents of Celestial Church of Christ being permitted to go barefoot in the Police Force or Army while on duty.
2. Rastafarians being permitted to wear dreadlocks in their professional capacities on religious grounds as well.
3. Traditionalists who insist on wearing native talismans or painting their faces while on duty in the Police or Army.

Answer these questions honestly and you will be on your way to the simple and obvious truth - namely: that while everyone has freedom of religion, it is absurd to try to impose your religious-wear on uniformed professional environments.

Let them also hijab there thieving pocket

alfarouq:


Nope, you are the one that is not getting my message.

If he insists to move around barefooted in the professional does that stop me or others from putting on my shoes?, Is it our legs?

As long as he does his job diligently and does not say others must join him in working around barefooted, It is his problem not mine.

As his supervisor would you condone a police officer coming to work barefooted on the grounds that it is his religion. Be honest.

DeepSight:


As his supervisor would you condone a police officer coming to work barefooted on the grounds that it is his religion. Be honest.

Why are you asking me the same question over and over again?.

If he can do his job well, I don't care. It becomes a problem if he fails to discharge his responsibilities properly and he will be queried for failing on his job not for practising his faith.

Religious practices fall under compulsory and voluntary, voluntary practices can be compromised but compulsory practises are not to be compromises.

I remember vividly when the hijab issue was at its peak in Osun state, some Christian students begin to come to school in their religious robes, some traditionists dressed like they were going to shrine and the Muslims did not oppose it, they quited on their own because the decision was made without sincerity. They couldn't sustain it.
I used to think most Nigerians are peop
le who swallow things from the US or the UK hook line and sinker, I just find out that they can actually have a different opinion with their Lords because of the hatred of Islam

I am very sure it will be Yoruba Christians that will oppose it more.

Police officers in UK, USA and other advance countries didn't cause any confusion where are Nigerian Christian in tolerance espresso South West Christian. Religious harmony in the South West are at the expense of the Muslims in South West despite being in majority.