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Re: Potanin To Putin: Don’t Take Us Back To 1917 by Daboomb: 5:37pm On Mar 12, 2022 |
My Responses are in RED. neuf: Now, you know who has internet but does not use it properly? I dont like to say others are IGNORANT because it sounds derogatory but people like you need to Read and Research more, just dont listen to Western Propaganda, before you take a position on an international issue like this. I have attached links in my previous Post, do yourself a favour and just go through them, so you can have a balanced View of these events, l am not asking you to believe the message but it is a form of wider education. |
Re: Potanin To Putin: Don’t Take Us Back To 1917 by SarkinYarki: 5:38pm On Mar 12, 2022 |
grandstar: Which dirty People's revolt ? It was a CIA coup 1 Like |
Re: Potanin To Putin: Don’t Take Us Back To 1917 by Daboomb: 5:39pm On Mar 12, 2022 |
Techsupport: Dem nor do me anything Bros, l just want Nigerians to know what is going on, instead of them getting emotional for nothing. This invasion should never have happened, if Zelensky was not a Fool who made himself a Pawn of NATO. |
Re: Potanin To Putin: Don’t Take Us Back To 1917 by Themandator: 5:45pm On Mar 12, 2022 |
Loewe: Gas price is high in the US but the US economy is solid... They just approved over 13b dollars to Ukraine The entire western government is doing berthing through the media to ensure that their citizens understand this sacrifice and the need to deal with this issue once and for all you see Russia, even they withdraw tomorrow morning the US and her allies won't go back on these sanctions Soviet Union was broken but the spirit was left. This is the time to exorcise the sprit This sanction will remains until somebody in Russia grows the ball and kill make an attempt on Putins life The elite are only Complaining in less than a month whereas they have a war for another decade on their lap without knowing it There is alternative to Russia and her gas hit there is not alternative to the West and her economy for Russia |
Re: Potanin To Putin: Don’t Take Us Back To 1917 by Daboomb: 5:45pm On Mar 12, 2022 |
grandstar: It is a COUP. I watched everyday of it between 2013 and 2014. If you are still in doubt, go and watch the Documentary titled Ukraine of Fire, by Oliver Stone. You will find it on Vimeo or Rumble. I have shared the link earlier. The President was almost assassinated, at the end of the day, after many of his supporters were either burned alive or have their head blown-off by Western-sponsored Snipers of the Azov Battalion. The President's Motorcade, even after he was running for his dear Life, was sprayed with Bullets but luckily, he suspected they dont want him alive and did not follow the Motorcade, he left in an Helicopter! The Coupist thought they had killed Victor Yanukovytch, the Democratically elected President of Ukraine who was ousted forcefully. Google What the US under-Secretary, Victoria Nuland, did in Ukraine in 2014 Google the Speech of former Presidential Aspirant and US Senator, John McCain, said and di at the Maidan Square in Ukraine. You guys need to Chill and read first, then form your own opinion of events. The Western Propaganda is overwhelming, l know. |
Re: Potanin To Putin: Don’t Take Us Back To 1917 by Daboomb: 5:46pm On Mar 12, 2022 |
SarkinYarki: You are right! CIA all the way. 2 Likes |
Re: Potanin To Putin: Don’t Take Us Back To 1917 by Themandator: 5:49pm On Mar 12, 2022 |
Daboomb: Whether CIA OR not Russia invasion United the West and I am happy about it.. This is the reason China is not in a hurry to help Russia... If the west can do this to their gas supplier what won't they unleash on any other nation They can decide that their huge debt to China is not going to be paid and China won't risk that Remember most of US FOREIGN DEBT IS TO CHINA. |
Re: Potanin To Putin: Don’t Take Us Back To 1917 by Daboomb: 5:59pm On Mar 12, 2022 |
Themandator: You must think Russians are like Nigerians? You must think they are like Nigerians who connive with the enemy of their country or who serve the interest of their enemies, out of ignorance? You must think Russians dont have the Power to remove Putin if they wanted to do it TODAY-TODAY or that they dont know that Putin is God-sent to them? Russians are one of the smartest and hardworking people on Mother Earth and they know that if not for Putin, Russia would have been turned to another American boy-Boy (like Britain, who just follow America blindly, because it cant defend itself anymore and is an "Empire of Yesterday" If all we have is the propaganda we watch on CNN , Fox News or other Western MSM, then we may believe that Russians are dying to remove Putin. But unfortunately, they know and recognise that after that drunk President called Boris Yeltsin was deceived into "Glasnot and Perestroika", by American CIA, leading to the fracturing of USSR, it was Putin who put them back together and still made Russia a Super Power, among all the Nations of the break-up USSR! That is why they keep electing him, term after term, that is why he is the ONLY President in the World who has an Acceptance rating of 69% (Biden is at a miserly 33%, just after one year ) among his people! Russians might be feeling the pain of the illegal and criminal sanctions and Asset stealing of America, (they are now sanctioning India, for not supporting their nonsense!), they know that the alternative to Putin (like the Navalny's of this world), is an American Puppet who will destroy the dignity of Russia in no time. No Russian wants Putin dead, they are just looking for ways to evade the Americans and their Stealing Allies. if not for age, Putin will be allowed to rule Russia for the next 50yrs. But l am sure a succession plan is in place, when the time for Grand Master Putin to retire. BTW: China, India, Turkey, Pakistan, Brazil, South Africa and many more countries of the world, are alternative to America, for Russia! They are all buying Russian oil and selling to Russia, as we speak. Even Germany has said it has No alternative to Russian Energy (Gas and Oil) as of today. |
Re: Potanin To Putin: Don’t Take Us Back To 1917 by neuf(m): 6:00pm On Mar 12, 2022 |
Daboomb: Like I said allergic to the Internet... All what you're saying is what happened after Russia invaded Ukraine. You cry more about consequences instead of the actions that led to that consequences which is a direct opposite of what is happening in Israel. Israel was attacked and they responded. Russia has never been attacked by the so called US or the West yet they are invading another country over something that has never happened before. You talked about placing missiles in Ukraine, yet a simple search would show that it is not only Ukraine that borders Russia. Some NATO members also border Russia yet no missile is there so why should there be a missile in Ukraine? can you mention just one conflict where the West directly confronted Russia? yet you say Russia and Israel are similar. Do you people ever read?? |
Re: Potanin To Putin: Don’t Take Us Back To 1917 by Nobody: 6:15pm On Mar 12, 2022 |
nomenclature:And who exactly is fighting for us. You or Putin? |
Re: Potanin To Putin: Don’t Take Us Back To 1917 by techWriter3: 6:15pm On Mar 12, 2022 |
In 3 weeks moment at this Slow if invasion persists, our recession will wanna stronger than that of Russia |
Re: Potanin To Putin: Don’t Take Us Back To 1917 by Nobody: 6:21pm On Mar 12, 2022 |
Techsupport: Currently doing front-end web dev. Just wanna make friends in IT and learn from them. |
Re: Potanin To Putin: Don’t Take Us Back To 1917 by 24brains(m): 6:22pm On Mar 12, 2022 |
Loewe:did putin gave us a reason to starting the war aside deceit and greed? He who mess must be ready to sniff the smell even after blaming it on others. |
Re: Potanin To Putin: Don’t Take Us Back To 1917 by 24brains(m): 6:35pm On Mar 12, 2022 |
Daboomb:what if RUSSIA swallow it's pride and join NATO? let say "the friend of my friend is my friend" where will war come from? we are one, keep competition and the past aside. |
Re: Potanin To Putin: Don’t Take Us Back To 1917 by Padipadi: 6:51pm On Mar 12, 2022 |
Loewe:You v a point. But from what we v been hearing,it's Russia that's not ready to give the West & Ukraine a soft landing. Cat face Putin told Macron last week Tuesday that the West must abide by Russia's terms. Not the West's terms or a negotiated terms. He was so autocratic in the response. Macron immediately alerted the whole world that what Putin is doing is genocide, he wanted to create an empire & control the world. This the whole west has seen & v already made up their mind to cause Putin's downfall. He has been marked for punishment either he stops the war or not. This is the same thing Napoleon of France did in the 17th century. Britain, Russia & Austria ganged up against him & ousted him. He died in exile. I predict the end of Putin in 5 years time |
Re: Potanin To Putin: Don’t Take Us Back To 1917 by babajero(m): 6:58pm On Mar 12, 2022 |
Realists:aboki please in the Gaza strip who first throw blow Israel or Palestine. |
Re: Potanin To Putin: Don’t Take Us Back To 1917 by babajero(m): 7:07pm On Mar 12, 2022 |
nomenclature:Who is really oppressing who, the West who is trying to make us advance in science and technology or you guys doing everything within your power to take us back to 16 BC? After making noise and hating the West you people will still buy the technology you condemn, even the phone you are using to type and hating the West is still built by the West. |
Re: Potanin To Putin: Don’t Take Us Back To 1917 by Transcriber: 7:16pm On Mar 12, 2022 |
1nigeriamyfoot:What "entire world"? You think the US and friends is "the entire world"? 1 Like |
Re: Potanin To Putin: Don’t Take Us Back To 1917 by Nobody: 7:25pm On Mar 12, 2022 |
Loewe: I am more of a network/firewall engineer. |
Re: Potanin To Putin: Don’t Take Us Back To 1917 by Nobody: 7:31pm On Mar 12, 2022 |
Techsupport: Oh fantastic! Can I DM you? |
Re: Potanin To Putin: Don’t Take Us Back To 1917 by Nobody: 7:41pm On Mar 12, 2022 |
Loewe: Sure |
Re: Potanin To Putin: Don’t Take Us Back To 1917 by ofuonyebi: 7:46pm On Mar 12, 2022 |
Double standarg....united FIFA... Messi given the 2021 Baloondor....was worst than Russian vs Ukranine war or invasion This is 2022 ....no politics ...no double standard....avoid another world war Watch Cristiano Ronaldo firing from all cylinders |
Re: Potanin To Putin: Don’t Take Us Back To 1917 by Nobody: 7:59pm On Mar 12, 2022 |
Loewe: You can email me at ciscoprimetraining@gmail.com |
Re: Potanin To Putin: Don’t Take Us Back To 1917 by History555: 8:03pm On Mar 12, 2022 |
Themandator: And u think with wat has happened to russia, china will not take measures to avoid falling into such humiliating sanctions. Give them time and china will revise its economic and financial policy from being export orientated to being a major consumer. |
Re: Potanin To Putin: Don’t Take Us Back To 1917 by thinkmoney(m): 9:18pm On Mar 12, 2022 |
CoronaVirusPro:U don't know world politics much. West and USA are really happy with the sanctions. They had long wanted to clip Russias wing. Ukraine just gave them an excuse |
Re: Potanin To Putin: Don’t Take Us Back To 1917 by jaxxy(m): 9:42pm On Mar 12, 2022 |
SarkinYarki: This only reminds me of Syria even tho it wasn’t a direct invasion. The US tried to remove bashir Assad while also fighting ISIL bt cos of Russian indirect help and support they couldn’t and later backed out. Ukraine will mostly likely play out same way. The people of Ukraine don’t want Russian interference. They will oppose it even more now that Russia has caused alot of destruction in their land. They will not agree to be Russian slaves. 1 Like |
Re: Potanin To Putin: Don’t Take Us Back To 1917 by Daboomb: 9:42pm On Mar 12, 2022 |
neuf: Okay, l am done with a dunce like you! But before l sign-off, Latvia and Estonia share birders with Russia, both countries host American/NATO military Bases, with combat aircraft and Missiles, plus thousands of multi-national infantry battalions. Please dont respond to me anymore, at least not until you prove that you can use Google to seek information that is freely available.
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Re: Potanin To Putin: Don’t Take Us Back To 1917 by okuta007: 9:43pm On Mar 12, 2022 |
Loewe: how many soft landing do u want for Putin? when he 1. threatens world peace with the nuclear bomb, everyone is silent to placate him 2. Anyone who opposes him in Russia is killed or jailed, nobody talk 3. took over Crimea, Obama gave him soft landing to avoid escalation 4. he poisoned Alexi Navalny and other opposition leaders using bio-chemical substances - they let him be 5. He invaded Chechnya and killed thousands there - they allowed him 6. He used Mustard gas (a banned chemical weapon) on Syrians while helping Assad, them free am 7. He cyber attacks the west every other 3 months, nobody do anything 8. He meddles into US and western elections to discredit democracy and create chaos - we no won annoy am 9. Is Ukraine as we speak, civilian area -maternity wards- yet Biden is refusing to escalate by not helping Ukraine with Jets 10. He threatens EU with gas supply - fear no let them cough What else do you want the West to do for Putin who wrote a book last summer that he wants to bring back the old soviet union meaning taking over Ukraine is just the beginning - other sovereign countries like Latvia, Estonia, Uzbekistan etc will lose their nationhood That was how Hitler was given so much concessions with then Austria citing same heritage and cultural similarities with Germany- they left him alone, then he went for Czechoslovakia, and the world started paying attention - he took the world for a ride by marching into Paris and daring to take over England, that is history ..... never appease a bully, FIGHT!!! - PUTIN must go down!!!!! |
Re: Potanin To Putin: Don’t Take Us Back To 1917 by Datikwerreboi(m): 10:42pm On Mar 12, 2022 |
Loewe:The west been wanting to turn to Iran oil but Russia say make them wait first ,say make them discuss . Iran talk pursed |
Re: Potanin To Putin: Don’t Take Us Back To 1917 by Daboomb: 10:46pm On Mar 12, 2022 |
SarkinYarki: While it may seem like Putin has not executed this invasion, the way we all expected, l think we have to take some things into calculation because what "we" are expecting, is the same thing the NATO/EU were expecting and have "prepared Ukraine adequately" for such invasion method. Let me explain, from my own point of view: 2014: No one, not even Putin, could have expected that the CIA would go that far,to support Neo Nazis of the Azov Battalion, to oust a democratically elected Victor Yanukovych, the way the CIA did, at least not in Europe. The Govt of Yanukovych was actually in negotiation with the opposition, when they struck and set them on fire. The only thing Russia could do on that timescale, is to seize Crimea so that the Azov Neo Nazis would not do ethnic cleaning on the Ethnic Russians in Crimea. Even after 2014, he was still negotiating and actually reached an agreement with the Ukrainian Govt, with Germany and France as the Guarantors of that agreement, dubbed Minsk 1 & Minsk 2. That is how hopeful he was though the Ukrainians are treacherous lots and never implemented the agreement. Russia has always seen Ukrainians as Russians and felt that one day, they would be able to live peacefully, side-by-side so, his response to Ukraine is always 'measured' but he seems to have run out of options now. The Invasion: America has been planning for this Russian invasion since the lessons of Crimea annexation. As of late December 2021, a lot of Weapons that were designed for the sort of "Urban warfare" that you talked about (Bleizkrieg), light and fast assault, go-in, come-out quickly. have flooded Ukraine Ukraine has been equipped with over 50,000 Anti Tank Javellins, an even larger number of Stinger Missiles, Special close combat guns, body armor, Turkish-made military Drones, etc. The CIA has also made Ukraine a dump ground of many American weapons since 2015 till date. The effect of all these weapons (with the lost 'element of surprise', since the Americans have been feeding the Ukrainians with Intelligence to prepare for an invasion), and preparation on the part of Ukraine, means that "Russia cannot and should not do the expected" otherwise, it could end very badly! Putin was initially set for the Crimea-type of lightening Assault in the first 24hrs but he re-assessed the situation and his field Generals also did same. He lost some Personnel and Tanks to the Javellins and Stinger Missiles in the initial 2days and he paused to change tactics. That is why Zelensky was boasting that he will defeat Russia and the West were urging him on. They even made fun of Putin, some said his 60Km long of Military hardware was stuck, some said he ran out of fuel or some of his equipment has been sabotage by his own Soldiers! Western media described him as "confused" and said he has met his Waterloo In War, you cant insist on a strategy that is compromised, you have to re-strategize, which is what Putin did for a few days. With Zelensky sharing weapons to Civilians and asking them to join the fight, with Ukrainian Army embedded among Civilians, a fast Assault with result in unbelievable Civilian casualty and we all know that Public Sympathy will change quickly because some of the Civilians living in Ukraine that will be killed, have families in Russia. His Personnel loses will also be much. That is why Putin decided on a Strategy of softening "the outposts" first (where resistance is least, due to reduced ukrainia resistance, except for some big Cities like Kerchiv, Mariopol, Odessa), stabilize those areas with his soldiers and then gradually stretch the Ukrainian defense by stretching it over a wide area (attacking right round the country, encircling it from all areas), He also decided not to use much infantry for the strategic Cities but rather use "ong range, precision Missiles and carpet bombing" to destroy Ukrainian defense first. In fact, knowing that the NATO and EU allies will send fighter Jets and weapons into Ukraine, he began to destroy all Ukraine's Airports, Landing Strips and just about any piece of land that a Plane could land or take-off from, before even taking a single Ukrainian City,. This forced the Ukrainians to bring their "donated weapons" together in large depots ... and then he used long range Missiles to explode such military Depots. He also ensured he knocked out all the Electronic warfare equipment that America has given to Ukraine. Suddenly, the 60Km line of Motorised Equipment like Flame throwers that has been lying idle for almost two weeks, suddenly started to disperse in different directions (meanwhile, Ukrainians have them loaded on their Stinger and Javellins Missile sights ,,,,,,,,, but Putin was smart enough not to go within their strike range, which is about 5km.) and Ukrainian military went into an overdrive of confusion because they dont know which column to attack, as they are all moving into different directions. In essence, Putin is too smart to "do what we all expected him to do", if he did, his loses in this war will be embarrassing. Let us also realise that if not for his strategies of "long range deflection", America may have developed the liver to send Troops in support of Ukraine but he did two things, which prove he was a Master strategist: 1) He put his Nuclear Forces on Red Alert (whether he actually meant to use them or not, the end result is to tie America's hands not to even think about it) 2) He declared that if his forces were attacked from any of the neighbouring nations, he will consider that nation as part of the war and "an active participant" and therefore a legitimate target! You can see Poland that wants to supply Fighter Jets to his neighbour, Ukraine, first taking them to a US Base in far-away Germany and then asking America to send the jets to Ukraine by itself! Ofcourse, America was very angry and told him to eff-off, if he cant take them there by himself! That was a big relief for Russia, borne out of strategic planning by Putin but everyone said he was mad, for making that Red alert decision! Right now, he has began to squeeze the capital from all angles. within a 25km radius and the circle keeps getting tighter. I know Zelensky ran out of Ukraine, a long time ago (he is just using Props and Flags to deceive his people that he is still inside Ukraine, let him come out on the streets so everyone can confirm his whereabouts. Not even a cellphone with GPS location tracking is allowed in his interviews) otherwise he would be eating Beans in a Russian prison for a very long time. For one country and its President, to out-manoeuvre a Military Alliance of the most powerful Nations on Earth including the USA and be dogged about achieving his military objectives, we have to give it to him, Putin is the Man! |
Re: Potanin To Putin: Don’t Take Us Back To 1917 by Themandator: 11:06pm On Mar 12, 2022 |
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