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Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by uchennaq(m): 4:44pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
I really don't know how many people commenting has really taken their time to go through American weapon inventory. If not for American, Hitler would have ruled the world and Japan would have continue to conquer Asia, China inclusive until America intervened. I have been following this unprovoked war that PUTIN unleashed on Ukraine and it has really exposed Russia and proven that USA still remains the world power. America is busy building High Tech 21st century weapons while Russia was fooling the whole world with their probably inoperable Nukes. He who have ears, let him listen, THE DAY RUSSIA OR CHINA will try America in open warfare, AMERICA will crush them. The AN/SEQ-3 Laser Weapon System or XN-1 LaWS is a laser weapon developed by the United States Navy.
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Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by maasoap(m): 4:51pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
Tmberwolf1: You still don't understand, the reason for being powerless in this situation is the bolded part of your comment. It is because it is Russia. Lol And not for the sake of humanity, it is for the sake of their citizens. You got the difference now? |
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by amadiwati(m): 4:59pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
MangekyoAlt: Not just increasing presence. They are fight against from the side line. |
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by smeag0l(m): 4:59pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
I will provide you facts based on my knowledge of physics and science and based on what i know is happening in the world now. First, there is no ICBM that can travel up to 21 mach number. This is not because they can't make it to travel at such speeds but because the heat generated will be so high that the missiles the ICBM carries will self destruct before it hits the target. Secondly, at such speeds, it can't travel at stealth mode without being detected. Again, because of the red heat the ICBM would have attained at these speeds. The maximum speed that the latest hypersonic missile developed by Russia can travel is 12 mach. Before that, the fastest was the Brahmos II supersonic missile owned by both Russia and India at 8 mach max. Having said all these, modern missile defence systems can't handle these because of the higher reaction times required. However , there is a technology that can handle this and which , I believe ,the US is working on. It is laser technology and works on the principle of physics that light is faster than sound. Its principle is to aim the laser technology at the ICBM launcher thereby dissociating the missile from its carrier before it gets the its destination. The requirement for this is that the laser technology be close (within tens or hundreds of kilometers) to the ICBM launch location. This is partly what US is usually trying to achieve by having bases in countries close to Russia and China. US is also at a vantage position in terms of first strike advantage because they have military bases close to Russia, north kirea and china while these countries dont have any close to the US. Also, it is more advantageous to impose economic sanctions on a country and save your money for something more useful instead of spending it on a war. US and their allies also have an advantage in this because over 60% of all foreign reserves and international transactions are in US dollar. Another 33% are in Yen, Euro and GBP while the remaining 7% are split across other world currencies. Finally, it is not as if US cannot develop hypersonic missiles at a pace faster than both Russia and China but they slowed this down because they were championing the world denuclearization program. US is light years ahead of both countries with respect to technology and even sells them some of the technology they require at times. princeeze1: |
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by quickly: 5:21pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
Great0ne1: U don’t know what u are talking about If u have a billion weapons what is one million. Can taliban produce weapons U can abandon a project half way if u see no gain from it. The Democrat dominated house asked for an end to the war. Most of the US generals rejected this. What does it profit the tax payers for US forces to remain? They don’t care about the weapons . If they cared they would have destroyed all of them Just like they do to Apache helicopters they leave behind in any mission. Taliban can not face US in any war |
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by timay1: 5:26pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
franchasng: Those nukes were useless to Ukraine and they cannot effectively use them because the nuclear launch codes belonged to Russia and only Moscow is in possession of the Launch codes. Maintaining them is another challenge that Ukraine of that period could not handle due to huge cost. |
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by Nobody: 5:26pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
smeag0l:You would have actually saved yourself some embarrassment by actually using google before quoting me. Minute man 3 travels at Mach 23, satan 2 or rs 28 travels at over Mach 20, pics attached. ICBM are not about stealth but speed, maneuverability and MIRV. While minute man 3 has 3 mirv, satan 2 has 15. I repeat, the reason the US failed to intervene is MAD. Both sides would be destroyed, all for what? Ukraine? As for sanctions, I hope you are reading about protests in European capitals, don’t worry it’s boomerang effect will reach everyone. Europeans are already paying for energy at ten times its price before the war. Inflation is going out of control in the US. Lastly, the Ukraine crisis is not a full blown war. Russia sent about 150 to 200k of its active force of 900k and has been using very old jets like su25. Ukraine has thousands of soldiers sent from all over Europe as volunteers propped up with ammunition, anti air and anti tank from nato countries, yet its gradually been reduced to rubbles. It’s more or less a proxy war between nato and Russia. MAD is still the reason NATO does not want a direct conflict. Imagine if it was a weaker nation involved. NATO says it’s a defensive alliance all of a sudden, but in it’s entirety existence, all it’s conflict, it was the invading force, why the sudden humility, lol MAD.
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Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by Great0ne1: 5:29pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
quickly:So why didn't they leave after taking out Osama? America left there weapons in the hands of terrorist and is not a big deal ? Oga we shouldn't even be having this discussion. |
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by timay1: 5:32pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
Deeprooted: It will cause instability very soon. Even UK that feels it's on an island will also feel the heat. After the war is over, a lot of hungry Ukrainian will sell their weapons for cheap. Different criminal groups in Europe will buy cheap rifles and Europe that's not know for having weapons I. circulation will turn to another USA , where weapons are cheap to aquire 2 Likes |
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by smeag0l(m): 6:06pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
Russia always alleges. They always fall short of all their claims when the time is ripe. Just because wilipedia told you something can travel at 30 mach number doesnt mean it can. If you check the beginning of my post, i mentioned to you that they can make missiles travel at that mach number but then it will be disadvantageous at such high speeds. The heat generated will be so much that it will be detetcted and deflected or it can self- destruct by burning up. An increase in mach number is usually followed by an increase in heat generation if you're a student of physics you'll know this. And like I said earlier, Laser technology can successfully combat ICBMs because they're one million times faster. I studied these things in school and not just talking from some nonsense googled online. Russia also alleged to have developed state-of-the-art T-14 tanks sometome ago but when the time came to use it the tanks transmission were faulty. They always put claims to things they know aren't possible from the laws of Physics. There's no way an ICBM launched at hypersonic speeds of up to 20 mach can go undetected till it hits its target. Itll be detected and the idea is to take it out with a laser before this happens. That's if the missile doesnt burn up princeeze1: |
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by quickly: 6:19pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
Great0ne1: Shey u ppl are not understanding or just want to argue. They were giving order to abandon the mission. Meanwhile those weapon will run out of ammunition’s. Where will they get it from? If US want to destroy it all they will use Drones and scatter the place. |
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by Nobody: 6:51pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
smeag0l:Lol, what has Russian claim got to do with icbm speed? Just because you want to bad mouth Russia, you jumped facts. Is Russia also the owner of minuteman 3 which travels at Mach 23? The US owns minuteman 3 FYI. Again , icbm does not depend on stealth, it is not designed to evade detection, but to counter missile defenses with speed, maneuverability and use of MIRVs. Again you clearly did not study anything in any school because you would have known even the laser you talk about is still an hypothesis, I.e, it’s just a postulated theory. It’s not yet in research, development or practice. Oga, ICBM has no counter measures, that is one of the founding principles of MAD. The ability to initiate a second strike after a preemptive first strike from an adversary is what makes deterrence credible. That is the humility we see. Every other thing you have said is trash. Update your knowledge please and add proofs not fallacies. Read up the following ICBM along side their speed and range, satan 1$2, minuteman 3, trident 2, French m51, Chinese df 41, and come back and tell me they are all lying in claims.
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Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by smeag0l(m): 7:16pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
Theres no way to counter missile defense systems with speed alone. Otherwise, a development of defense systems with same speed nullifies the efficacy of such missiles. Stealth technology is usually added to modern missile launching systems. Please go read the entirety of these things before arguing. princeeze1: |
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by Nobody: 8:00pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
smeag0l:If you must respond, respond with good points. I repeat, ICBM currently has no counter measures. In my initial write up, I clearly pointed out that it uses several factors to beat missile defense including speed which you must have read up by now. It has MIRV some up to 15, this confuses and overwhelms a missile shield. The best interceptor missiles travels at Mach 7 making it no match for an ICBM. Stealth does not hold water because AWACS and ground based sensors would always detect a launch. Again, all this stealth noise, stealth does not make an item invisible on radars please, it only gives it a smaller radar cross section, i.e makes it appear smaller than original size. You can also do yourself some favour by reading this up too. Lastly, building up more missile defenses against a great power has been proven to be inefficient because they will simply overwhelm it with more missiles. That brings us back to the time tested and trusted doctrine called MAD. No assurance of victories, just mutual assured destruction. This is the very reason for NATO’s current humility. |
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by Thisis2raw(m): 8:24pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
stephenabudu959:God bless you. I just laugh when I see America weak. A war with America is a war Russia don't want. 1 Like |
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by Thisis2raw(m): 8:26pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
yongg:very true bro. |
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by stephenabudu959(m): 8:31pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
Thisis2raw: Can Russia handle just 5minute of war against USA Ukraine is already a tough task for them |
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by Thisis2raw(m): 8:35pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
stephenabudu959:see the way Ukraine has stood their ground. Bro a war America is a war Russia don't want |
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by goodheart01: 8:48pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
Great0ne1: Then u continue being deluded 1 Like |
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by goodheart01: 8:49pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
BluntTheApostle: Read what I wrote again and understand. No one is talking about a conventional war with Ukraine |
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by smeag0l(m): 9:07pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
Thats why i told you earlier that the US is either already working on or already already owns an interceptor that is based on laser technology which is away from everythong the world ever uses for interception and I explained the concept to you. Laser travels a million times faster than sound and a hundred thousand times faster than the fastest hypersonic missile. All these things are already studied and well documented in the west. I write scientific research papers and I'm very sure of this fact I'm making known to you. The MIRVs that work on disguise are just based on concealing the actual missiles by making visible a lot of dummy ones on the guided vehicle. However, a laser can be used to detect the guided vehicle from the the missile or group of missiles it is carrying at a speed way faster than that which it should use to travel to its target. And again, like I mentioned, these missiles just have a face value of mach numbers of up to 20 but unless the guided vehicle carrying the missile is made of tungsten shields it'll burn up quickly at that speed. The laser technology I pointed up there may not be available for you to read up online just yet because it's a new technology and the only way to stop hypersonic missiles. princeeze1: |
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by gamechanger547: 9:11pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
Malawian:Very correct. it too fast for almost all present day anti missiles reaction time and only Russia S550 can try to stop Hypersonic missiles but it very few in Russian inventory.( one or two battalions available) Russia is not even selling S500 not to talk of S550 to any country. |
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by gamechanger547: 9:12pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
Malawian:Very correct. it too fast for almost all present day anti missiles reaction time and only Russia S550 can try to stop Hypersonic missiles but it very few in Russian inventory.( one or two battalions available) Russia is not even selling S500 not to talk of S550 to any country.. The missile can also carry Nuclear war heads and multiple decoys. It's a nasty missile and very accurate. Russia build her modern missiles and upgraded some older ones to be re targeted in flights. 2 Likes |
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by Great0ne1: 9:19pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
quickly:You didn't bother to know why the order was given, because you don't think.They left because they could not win. As simple as that |
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by Great0ne1: 9:22pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
quickly:To argue with you guys dey tire me. One of there major objective was to install a puppet as the president and they failed to achieve that. What are you still arguing Mr man ? |
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by gamechanger547: 9:30pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
Key update House to house fighting now going on in Marioupol.( No more kind gloves ) neighborhoods as fighting goes street-to-street, officials say By Loveday Morris and Anastacia Galouchka 12:08 p.m. DNIPRO, Ukraine — Russian forces are present in all civilian neighborhoods of Mariupol, as the battle for control of the strategic port city descends into house-to-house guerrilla warfare, Ukrainian military and city officials said Sunday. “They are in the center, in the periphery, they are everywhere,” Mariupol Mayor Vadym Boychenko said in an interview with The Washington Post. He said that over the past four days, the war has shifted into intense street fighting. “Our boys are fighting back,” he said. “But it’s hard.” Russian gunships have also been targeting the city for several days, Boychenko said. With communications cut, information from the city has been scant, but those fleeing have painted a picture of a city where Ukrainian forces are losing their grip. Lt. Col. Sergiy Bachynskyj, a spokesman for the military hospital in Dnipro, a city nearly 200 miles northwest of Mariupol, said dozens of workers from the military hospital in Mariupol have evacuated in recent days. About 40 essential employees have remained, he said. “They are in all the civilian quarters right now,” he said of the Russian forces. Industrial areas linked to the city’s steel industry, meanwhile, are still in Ukrainian control. “It’s the main zone of fighting,” he said. “I’m not saying that there are no Ukrainian soldiers in other parts of the city, they just don’t control that territory.” Petro Andryushchenko, an adviser to the Mariupol mayor’s office, said that, overall, there is “no complete control on either side.” “Who can talk about controlling, when one building is Russian-occupied, and one is Ukrainian military,” he said. “It was, is and always will be a Ukrainian city,” he added. “The Russian army can bomb everything in Mariupol, but that doesn’t mean Mariupol isn’t Ukrainian. That’s why they are bombing it completely.” Points to note. United States, almost all 30 Nato members countries have been training and arming Ukraine since 2014( 8 years) to fight the Russians even apart from Ukraine which produces a lot of her own weapons. ( Ukraine inherited lots of technology from former Soviet union) but Russia is still eating their Land bit by bit.( at least 1/5 of Ukraine is completely under Russian control while fighting are going on over some while some areas in the west are yet to see war because they are not part of the take over plan). |
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by Nobody: 9:52pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
smeag0l: If you write papers as you claim, you won’t write these things you wrote here. Firstly MIRV are not dummies but war heads that are independently targetable. Hence the name multiple independent targetable reentry vehicles. It’s different from the decoys or dummies attached to the missiles launched in Ukraine. Again you will understand what an hypothesis is. Laser like you said is still an hypothesis. Or are you the CIA to assume the US developed it and decided to keep it in secrecy lol. The worse case would be to forbid it’s export like the f22 raptor. We are talking facts, not Hollywood fiction, so bring proof. Again, even if laser comes to fruition in later decades, the question will be how many lasers would you need to stop an annihilating attack of over a 100 ICBM incoming at Mach 20+. You suddenly decided to say ICBM speeds are face values, wonderful! And you know better than all the defense corporations and defense experts. Bring contrary proof. Don’t just spill, back up your statement, even with a proven essay. The most important attribute of an ICBM is it’s speed and reentry vehicles my dear. Help yourself na and read first, you will surely discover there are currently no known counter measures. It is on these principles that the doctrine of MAD is founded, because a first and retaliatory strike is assured, and nothing would stop it. The moment a credible defense comes up, then MAD is dead. |
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by LogicBomb8: 10:06pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
owagbeba: Indeed democrazy is not 4 every country |
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by LogicBomb8: 10:13pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
uchennaq: Hope you knw that some weapons are barred from modern warfer do your search, lazer weapons is one of them.so that pic up ther is just for show except you want a crime against humanity |
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by smeag0l(m): 10:35pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
Just take whag i have told you, there are credible defences for ICBMs. Theyre just proprietary for now . Screenshot this post and in a few months this year, ill remind you of it. MIRVs have both dummy and real missiles that are used to disguise the actual missiles. Like i said again, you need to read up on these things princeeze1: |
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by Nobody: 11:12pm On Mar 20, 2022 |
smeag0l:I should take what you told me as encyclopedia abi? When you actually said nothing, everything I have said I gave proofs. This is what too much Hollywood causes. If they are proprietary, how did you come about them as they are supposedly classified? All military thesis available points to no credible defense, but somehow you know about some classified ones. You think everyone is dumb, I purposely took out time to shred down all your original assumptions point by point. It’s better you come to a forum properly grounded. America is the greatest nation economically and militarily no doubt, but don’t come and sell us bull and rooster stories without backing. |
Re: War In Ukraine: 'America Is Learning The Art Of Humility' by tommynico(m): 12:44am On Mar 21, 2022 |
I would not say humble but cautious so that history will judge them as to be on the right side, as a defender of the oppressed. First of, the Ukrainians are doing well enough with the little they have got, even though they are outmatched. Secondly, the Russ started the war on the wrong foot and this has caused them a whole lot of embarrassment as it has exposed their weaknesses to the west and reduced their terror in the hearts of the westerners. Thirdly, they have exposed their hands and more than enough times, their warfare tactics, weaponry and all that sort. Fourth, they have created an enmity between themselves and the Ukrainians for generations to come and just as zelensky have said, it will take a whole lot to forget this event. It will be written in the folklore of the Ukrainians, and these are proud and unforgiving people. Fifth, Russia and the Russians have now been effectively locked out of the world's wealth due to one man's pride and insecurities. Sixth, the west, and primarily the USA is using this plot to degrade and drain Russia and Putin, letting him to make more mistakes that will turn him to a stench and an untouchable in world affairs. Lastly, Russia is the toothless Bulldog in this fight. They lost the plot the moment the invaded Ukraine which was a trap set for their failure. He dare not strike further than the borders of Ukraine because NATO is actually ready and waiting for Putin to make that fatal mistake so that they can finish him once and for all. That will allow them refocus on China and tame her. |
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