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Re: Vehicles From Unauthorised Dealers Won't Be Registered - Lagos by aloyemeka2: 12:12am On Jul 03, 2011
Siena:

This has been a long time coming, and is more than overdue.

I agree with reducing the number of cars advertised for sale at the roadsides. Virtually every where you look, there are vehicles for sale, and people bargaining. This includes service stations, shops, garages, and just about every free space you can think of. Every street corner looks like a market place, at any given time of day or night. Not nice!

Of course, the law could state people are free to advertise their cars for sale in their own compounds, but we know what would happen, Nigerians being the way they are. They would park vehicles for sale on the roadside in front of their houses, and claim that piece of land belongs to their property, so is within their compounds. They would also park cars for sale in all their friends and relatives compounds, or in front of them. You give an inch, they'll take a mile.

Besides, it's not a bad idea to have a bit of regulation with regards to motor vehicle sales. Right now, anyone can sell any number of cars as a privateer. When a deal turns sour, the buyer has little room to seek compensation. The seller will merely say "I no be mechanic, I no know say d engine done knock, I no know say the automatic transmission don die". Often, these sellers vanish without trace, so of course the buyer loses out. As a private seller, it's easy to get away with selling vehicles not fit for their purpose, as a registered dealer, you're under obligation to provide a reasonable product or service.

It'll be interesting to see how this new law will be implemented, how it affects those with imports for personal concumption, and those selling their own cars.


Don't you think that this move will give auto dealers too much power through their unions and they can easily hike the price of vehicles at will and impose unnecessary fees to potential buyers?. I strongly believe in deregulation of the market. All of uis should reserve the right to sell whatever we want in our own properties as long as it is legal. Don't they have for sale cars parked at every corner in the US?
Re: Vehicles From Unauthorised Dealers Won't Be Registered - Lagos by dinggle: 12:17am On Jul 03, 2011
This is insane!, is this the Thank you Fashola has for voters? anyway Ibadan is not far from Lagos, nonsense!
Re: Vehicles From Unauthorised Dealers Won't Be Registered - Lagos by BizBooks(m): 12:23am On Jul 03, 2011
aloy-emeka:

Don't they have for sale cars parked at every corner in the US?

No, they don't. You are free to put a "For Sale" sign on a car parked in front of your house in the US. But if you try to turn it into a business, your neighbours will promptly report you to City Council (assuming you are doing that in a residential area). You may end up paying thousands of dollars in fines.
Re: Vehicles From Unauthorised Dealers Won't Be Registered - Lagos by aloyemeka2: 12:50am On Jul 03, 2011
BizBooks:

No, they don't. You are free to put a "For Sale" sign on a car parked in front of your house in the US. But if you try to turn it into a business, your neighbours will promptly report you to City Council (assuming you are doing that in a residential area). You may end up paying thousands of dollars in fines.
Yes they do. may be you live in Idaho. People are free to put as many for sale signs as they want. Opening a car dealership in a neighborhood is a different thing altogether. This law prohibits any kind of sale from a 3rd party or vehicle owner unless he/she goes through a dealer who will not do it for free. It is like trying to buying a car at the auction across the US. They usually require you to buy from a registered member of the auction and imagine if the govt impose that kind of rule to every American before they dispose their old cars.
So, I will pay fees for buying cars from a dealer and will pay him/her again before I can sell it?.

What will happen to Nairaland auto section then because it will soon become illegal to list cars here without dealers license?.
Re: Vehicles From Unauthorised Dealers Won't Be Registered - Lagos by aloyemeka2: 12:51am On Jul 03, 2011
Of course professional car dealers must have been the ones who pushed this bill; it will reduce competition for them and increase their revenue.
Re: Vehicles From Unauthorised Dealers Won't Be Registered - Lagos by Nobody: 1:45am On Jul 03, 2011
BizBooks:

No, they don't. You are free to put a "For Sale" sign on a car parked in front of your house in the US. But if you try to turn it into a business, your neighbours will promptly report you to City Council (assuming you are doing that in a residential area). You may end up paying thousands of dollars in fines.

For you not to see cars parked in malls' parking lot with forsale signs in the US, you must either not be in the US or your live your entire life in Beverly Hills

I get calls from people all day of the week untill my cars sells. And the cars are usually parked from 9am till 10pm in malls' parking lot in any state in the south! depending on where the car is registrable,

Beverly Hill billy!!

In a time like this, no government but an elitist one will support the law about to be approved here!!
Re: Vehicles From Unauthorised Dealers Won't Be Registered - Lagos by phuckNL: 4:32am On Jul 03, 2011
They really need to clarify a few things here oo.
So if i buy a car from the US, i would have to go look for a dealer before i can register my car??
If after using this car, i decide i want to sell it to my brother inlaw, sister inlaw or whatever, i would still have to go to a dealer to register it?
There better be a clause allowing individuals to sell whenever, however they want because this will be infringing on our RIGHTS. You can not prevent me from selling/buying. LAGOS state has no right to impose such. LAGOS state can only impose such if i am a COMMERCIAL sales person.
Re: Vehicles From Unauthorised Dealers Won't Be Registered - Lagos by Nobody: 8:09am On Jul 03, 2011
aloy-emeka:

Don't you think that this move will give auto dealers too much power through their unions and they can easily hike the price of vehicles at will and impose unnecessary fees to potential buyers?. I strongly believe in deregulation of the market. All of uis should reserve the right to sell whatever we want in our own properties as long as it is legal. Don't they have for sale cars parked at every corner in the US?

This is where the issues lie. If someone sells 5 cars a month "in his / her own compound", would you class such a person as a private seller, or a trader? In the US, there are cars parked in certain places, depending on the neighbourhood, displaying "for sale" signs. If the neighbours complain, it becomes an issue. The same applies to the UK. In Nigeria, privileges are abused, and it's not uncommon to see a whole street lined with cars for sale.

In congested areas like Lagos, where do residents then park? Where do taxi cabs pull over to pick up, drop off passengers? They simply stop their cabs in the street, impeding traffic. People moan about congestion in Lagos, yet they compound things with their roadside automobile trading. Sure, there should be a means of owners of cars selling their vehicles privately, but Nigerians will take a mile if offered a yard, and before you know it, we're talking about a flourishing automobile business being run from the house next door.
Re: Vehicles From Unauthorised Dealers Won't Be Registered - Lagos by Nobody: 8:27am On Jul 03, 2011
phuck_NL:

They really need to clarify a few things here oo.
So if i buy a car from the US, i would have to go look for a dealer before i can register my car??
If after using this car, i decide i want to sell it to my brother inlaw, sister inlaw or whatever, i would still have to go to a dealer to register it?
There better be a clause allowing individuals to sell whenever, however they want because this will be infringing on our RIGHTS. You can not prevent me from selling/buying. LAGOS state has no right to impose such. LAGOS state can only impose such if i am a COMMERCIAL sales person.
To answer your first question, if you imported a car and is signified by your name on the Bill of Laden (BL), I don't think you require any dealer before you can register your car for a plate number.
Question two, if you are selling a car with a plate number, it's already registered. So feel free to sell to your siblings, et al.
The point is, if you say you have an imported car, why is your name not on the documents (BL)? It could only mean you bought it off a dealer, and a dealer needs to be registered to be recognized as such by the law. Is there anything bad in that?
Re: Vehicles From Unauthorised Dealers Won't Be Registered - Lagos by BizBooks(m): 8:47am On Jul 03, 2011
0lumide:

For you not to see cars parked in malls' parking lot with forsale signs in the US, you must either not be in the US or your live your entire life in Beverly Hills

Why do people like to argue just for the sake of it. We are talking about people selling cars on residential streets and you are talking about malls. A mall in the US is the equivalent of a Nigerian market. Some big malls even have car dealerships on location. So there is nothing wrong in selling cars in a mall.

If you know of residential streets in the US where cars are sold, name that street here. You cannot even find a provision store, hair salon or barber shop in a US residential area not to talk of car dealers.
Re: Vehicles From Unauthorised Dealers Won't Be Registered - Lagos by temmytanny(m): 10:10am On Jul 03, 2011
I think the initiative would make cars more expensive but it would reduce buying stolen cars
Re: Vehicles From Unauthorised Dealers Won't Be Registered - Lagos by phuckNL: 11:44am On Jul 03, 2011
Costee:

To answer your first question, if you imported a car and is signified by your name on the Bill of Laden (BL), I don't think you require any dealer before you can register your car for a plate number.
Question two, if you are selling a car with a plate number, it's already registered. So feel free to sell to your siblings, et al.
The point is, if you say you have an imported car, why is your name not on the documents (BL)? It could only mean you bought it off a dealer, and a dealer needs to be registered to be recognized as such by the law. Is there anything bad in that?

Okay the second part answered it.
So you are telling me that as long as ones name is on the Bill of laden, this law does not apply? I'm sure they will start saying stuff like you have to have a title to prove ownership, blah blah blah.
Re: Vehicles From Unauthorised Dealers Won't Be Registered - Lagos by Nobody: 12:24pm On Jul 03, 2011
BizBooks:

Why do people like to argue just for the sake of it. We are talking about people selling cars on residential streets and you are talking about malls. A mall in the US is the equivalent of a Nigerian market. Some big malls even have car dealerships on location. So there is nothing wrong in selling cars in a mall.

If you know of residential streets in the US where cars are sold, name that street here. You cannot even find a provision store, hair salon or barber shop in a US residential area not to talk of car dealers.

uhh? na wao lots of Nigerians live in posh places in the US ooo,

YES THERE BARBERSHOPS IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS

YES I KNOW COUNTLESS STREETS IN CHI CITY WHERE PPL PUT THEIR CARS FOR SALE AND PARK IT ON THE STREET! THE CAR MAY GET TOWED OR ISSUED TICKETS FOR PARKING VIOLATION BUT NOT FOR HAVING A FORSALE SIGN ON IT!! if you park in the right place, your car can stay as long as it takes to sell, Unless your car is leaking environmentally harmful fluids, nothing does you jor!!! Abeg if you de stay posh areas where houses are selling for over 450k, introduce me to one maddam there make I chop equity lol hahahahahahaha,
Re: Vehicles From Unauthorised Dealers Won't Be Registered - Lagos by BizBooks(m): 1:23pm On Jul 03, 2011
0lumide:

YES THERE BARBERSHOPS IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS

A barber shop in a residential area in the US? Give us the address so we can view it on Google Earth. Apparently you are confusing residential area with mixed-use district.
Re: Vehicles From Unauthorised Dealers Won't Be Registered - Lagos by Nobody: 2:33pm On Jul 03, 2011
BizBooks:

A barber shop in a residential area in the US? Give us the address so we can view it on Google Earth. Apparently you are confusing residential area with mixed-use district.

mehn dude, when I get the address, I'll post it,

Also, are you that restricted in your travel? And don't be telling me you live in alabama, I da ho, Nebraska, Wisconsin, New England, Alaska or Minnesota oooo, I go vex gan if u live in any of those states lol,

You better live in Manhattan or else I go vex say you no de comot at all, No dull oo,
Re: Vehicles From Unauthorised Dealers Won't Be Registered - Lagos by BizBooks(m): 3:04pm On Jul 03, 2011
After saying:

0lumide:

YES I KNOW COUNTLESS STREETS IN CHI CITY WHERE PPL PUT THEIR CARS FOR SALE AND PARK IT ON THE STREET!

You have now resorted to this:

0lumide:

mehn dude, when I get the address, I'll post it,

Maybe you live in the US but it seems you don't know much about their zoning laws.
Re: Vehicles From Unauthorised Dealers Won't Be Registered - Lagos by aloyemeka2: 4:45pm On Jul 03, 2011
Siena:

This is where the issues lie. If someone sells 5 cars a month "in his / her own compound", would you class such a person as a private seller, or a trader? In the US, there are cars parked in certain places, depending on the neighbourhood, displaying "for sale" signs. If the neighbours complain, it becomes an issue. The same applies to the UK. In Nigeria, privileges are abused, and it's not uncommon to see a whole street lined with cars for sale.

In congested areas like Lagos, where do residents then park? Where do taxi cabs pull over to pick up, drop off passengers? They simply stop their cabs in the street, impeding traffic. People moan about congestion in Lagos, yet they compound things with their roadside automobile trading. Sure, there should be a means of owners of cars selling their vehicles privately, but Nigerians will take a mile if offered a yard, and before you know it, we're talking about a flourishing automobile business being run from the house next door.


I don't mind as long as they display those cars for sale on their private properties else, the govt or landlord should tow the vehicles away. Shouldn't the Lagos govt be more concerned about stalled vehicles around dangerous corners in our roads?. My own cousin drove beneath a stalled 18 wheeler at ogba 5 years ago at night because there was no sign to warn drivers and his brains splattered all over the crushed car.
Re: Vehicles From Unauthorised Dealers Won't Be Registered - Lagos by TexasR: 4:49pm On Jul 03, 2011
These guys appear to be damn incompetent,corrupt and downright foolish.If Mr Fashola has consented to this anomaly,then he too is very foolish crossed my
In any case,this is why all my vehicles are registered in the FCT,for many years I never knew why registering my vehicles in Lagos never crossed my mind,but now I know

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If BRF says so, then dis is what is going to be happening in Las Gidis.
1. Negotiate and buy car in Lagos
2. Get all the vital document required 4 reg
3. Leave your car at the point of purchase
4. Cross over to Ogun State
5. Register your vehicle
6. Drive around Lagos
7. Wave at BRF in traffic.

[quote][/quote]

Well said
Re: Vehicles From Unauthorised Dealers Won't Be Registered - Lagos by bfire(m): 5:27pm On Jul 03, 2011
The Perm. Sec. is incompetent. Period.

You can sell your cars anywhere in USA or Canada displaying for sale on the cars; whether residential or not. You can't sell or display a commercial auto sales business just anywhere in USA. There's no local law or edit preventing you from selling or displaying your entire family cars- van for family, cars for dad & mum- at the same time for sale.
Re: Vehicles From Unauthorised Dealers Won't Be Registered - Lagos by benlay(m): 6:11pm On Jul 03, 2011
these mtfs come to NY and see 'for sale' on vehicles everywhere, how does that affect a busy and working government?
i'm losing hope daily about the state called Nigeria
Re: Vehicles From Unauthorised Dealers Won't Be Registered - Lagos by Nobody: 9:34pm On Jul 03, 2011
BizBooks:

After saying:

You have now resorted to this:

Maybe you live in the US but it seems you don't know much about their zoning laws.




Can someone use google earth to check Redhook brooklyn for this guy? Navigate the streets and see for your self!

No such laws that prohibits you from putting a forsale sign on your vehicle anywhere you park it stop lying jor!!!
Re: Vehicles From Unauthorised Dealers Won't Be Registered - Lagos by erico2k2(m): 10:31pm On Jul 03, 2011
@ the guy who was saying in the western world you can display 4 sale in your car anywhere ,thats wrong, there is a Law here in the UK that Bars you from displaying for sale in your car in some public areas,You will see signs on the lamp post saying No trading ie DO NOT SELL ANYTHING so if you park there and forget to remove the for sale sign you are served a FPN(Fixed Penalty Notice).I think what they are trying to do is a good idea but going about it the wrong way mayB they are not well informed,mayB as time goes on they will be and they would finetune this LAW.Haven said all that, I do not agree with the bit where you have to register in other to do a private sale of your used vehicle mayB they need to work on this part but if you are a car dealy and not registered then yah better go and do this instead of moaning grin grin grin
Re: Vehicles From Unauthorised Dealers Won't Be Registered - Lagos by manny4life(m): 10:56pm On Jul 03, 2011
The display of "for sale" sign in your car varies from state to state. In my state, VA which is in the upper east coast area, aka Northern Virginia, you can place for sale signs on your cars and it's not restricted. I have been to malls (open malls) where cars are parked at least 20 of them and yeah they sell them from the lots. I don't think VA for example has harsh rule regarding to this effect. Talking about barbershop, my barbershop though is in a small mall building which is in residential area; I don't know if u will still regard it as residential considering the fact that it's zoned in a commercial leased space.


If the state is so concerned, why don't they come up with better solutions like cars having VIN, buyers can easily look up a VIN through state database records and know if the title is clear, or if the car has been flagged as stolen et. al? I think that will be more appropriate because it makes it easier on people to do record search of vehicles, dealers will have instant access to random cars which they buy from the public. Again, I think this will be more appropriate and if they are concerned about charging Auto taxes, states can charge taxes before registration assuming citizens have to renew registration annually. If they are concerned about the sales tax at time of purchase, ask the buyer to provide proof of purchase, obviously every dealer has a state tax ID, bill the sales receipt invoice to the dealer. Better yet, ask buyers to pay sales taxes upon registration
Re: Vehicles From Unauthorised Dealers Won't Be Registered - Lagos by erico2k2(m): 6:10am On Jul 04, 2011
Data base in 9ja lol thats dont exist lol
Re: Vehicles From Unauthorised Dealers Won't Be Registered - Lagos by Nobody: 8:04am On Jul 04, 2011
^^
Lagos State is just looking for ways to increase their IGR. They're not trying to protect buyers, decongest roads etc like some people are arguing, anybody who believes that doesn't know the first thing about how Nigerian society works.

The tragedy in this whole affair is that the significant percentage of these monies end up being stolen by these same corrupt government officials while the man in the streets groans under the burden of illegal taxation.
Re: Vehicles From Unauthorised Dealers Won't Be Registered - Lagos by DaDoctor: 9:11am On Jul 04, 2011
EKO ILE AND ILEKE IDI,
Where art though

FASHOLA IS AT IT AGAIN O
Re: Vehicles From Unauthorised Dealers Won't Be Registered - Lagos by DaDoctor: 9:12am On Jul 04, 2011
SORRY TINUBU FASHOLA IS AT IT AGAIN
Re: Vehicles From Unauthorised Dealers Won't Be Registered - Lagos by rhythyson: 9:42am On Jul 04, 2011
i thought BRF was a smart guy and surrounded by smart guys too but with this, man the guy stun me .Whoever sold this idea to him should be, taken to Yaba Left
Re: Vehicles From Unauthorised Dealers Won't Be Registered - Lagos by aloyemeka2: 11:26am On Jul 04, 2011
ziddy:

^^
Lagos State is just looking for ways to increase their IGR. They're not trying to protect buyers, decongest roads etc like some people are arguing, anybody who believes that doesn't know the first thing about how Nigerian society works.

The tragedy in this whole affair is that the significant percentage of these monies end up being stolen by these same corrupt government officials while the man in the streets groans under the burden of illegal taxation.

At the expense of the common resident for that matter . Why should the govt throw its people under the bus?. Who doesn't know that car dealers are the most crooked people in the world?. Imagine when you ask them to help sell or buy cars for you. This is 666 in disguise.
Re: Vehicles From Unauthorised Dealers Won't Be Registered - Lagos by kodewrita(m): 8:54am On Jul 05, 2011
I believe Berger is in Ogun State so this law doesnt apply. it only affects lekki ,ikeja and surulere based dealers.
Re: Vehicles From Unauthorised Dealers Won't Be Registered - Lagos by chyjoke1(m): 7:28am On Jul 07, 2011
when FGN banned cars that were more than 8yrs, we all faced Coutonu and these overaged cars found their way to Nigeria. If we cannot register it in Lagos, we still have 35 states in the federation to register the cars. Abuja here i come for registration.

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