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Re: Do You Find The Existence Of God Threatening? by thehomer: 11:34pm On Jul 21, 2011
Enigma:

I repeat below basically what I said in another related thread.

In broad terms, {it was the kind of argument in that second link} that convinced one of the atheists' champions of all time, i.e. Antony Flew, to deism and belief in God eventually. When you hear atheists talk of the "no true Scotsman fallacy" in argument, they are ultimately parroting (OK, borrowing from) Antony Flew. At least Antony Flew had the integrity to "follow wherever the evidence leads" as he put it.

Funny enough, some atheists found  the earthquake of Flew's conversion to atheism Deism so unbearable that they try to say Flew did not really renounce atheism, he had mentally weakened at the time etc etc ---- na so!  smiley

Which God did Anthony Flew believe in?
Another thing to note here is citing Anthony Flew here is simply an argument from authority. You actually need to present the argument you're making rather than just name dropping.
Re: Do You Find The Existence Of God Threatening? by thehomer: 11:49pm On Jul 21, 2011
Mad_Max:

I sort of agree with most of this. But there is a patronising tendency for atheists to bandy the word 'delusion' about with regards to theists. It's superior and irritating. You've decided it's the 'height of delusion' to claim there's a God without 'evidence'. But there is no univesal consensus as to what that evidence should be. Different individuals and groups have different definitions as to what should constitute evidence for God, depending on where they're coming from.

I don't see what the big deal is in calling theistic ideas delusional. What has so far been presented as evidence for most of the theistic Gods are really nothing more than wishful thinking or cultural indoctrination.

Mad_Max:

Theism and atheism are equally valid world outlooks. We should just respect the other's stand on religion and leave it be. It's not hard to understand why people would be atheists. It makes more sense than theism, in a way, and is certainly more rational than the menu most of the world's religions give you to choose from. But atheism is not the only thing that makes sense; it's not the be-all and end-all of religious stances and opinionating. 

Sorry but I don't think they're both equally valid outlooks. As you've said above, one of them is more rational based on the information we have than the other.
Also, atheism isn't a religious stance. If anything, it is against a stance usually borne in religions.
Re: Do You Find The Existence Of God Threatening? by ritchboy(m): 1:34am On Jul 22, 2011
Ever since i was a child, i always wondered why an omnipotent being would even be bothered about nonentities like humans, when he could just put himself in an everlasting state of unadulterated bliss or something.

As a human being, i couldn't care less about the happenings in the lives of maggots. I mean, why on earth would i solicit praise/worship from a bunch of maggots?

Oh, and gods are supposed to be infinitely more superior to men than men are to maggots. . . Praise the lord! cheesy
Re: Do You Find The Existence Of God Threatening? by Breeze5000: 2:04am On Jul 22, 2011
Nobody is truly an atheists. A lot of them just make mouth and ask all those kindergarten questions sometimes, Like lil kids who ask! ask! and ask without pausing to think or imagine if what they are saying makes sense. Since they are the ones that says there is no God, the burden of proof lies with them and I don't see them coming up with anything meaningful! But at the time of death, some get scared wondering if they have toyed with this illusion for too long.

You see an empty house in a Forrest and believes it has no builder. It suddenly appears there by itself. Yeah right!
That the house is there in the first place is enough proof that somebody built it, even though you were not there when it was built, neither would you ever come in contact with it's builder. I don't do magic, so I believe just like a house, car, plane or chair has it's maker so also does the Sun, Moon, Stars, Man has it's maker. It's no brainier and not something to argue about. For those that wants to meet or see God first before you believe, I have a suggestion, first visit or take a trip to one of his creations the SUN, and when you are back from your visit you can meet him.
Re: Do You Find The Existence Of God Threatening? by ritchboy(m): 2:30am On Jul 22, 2011
Breeze5000:

Nobody is truly an atheists. But at the time of death, some get scared wondering if they have toyed with this illusion for too long.

On the contrary, nobody is "truly" a theist. If you truly believe in your god, you wouldn't be quaking in your boots "at the time of death". . . Unless maybe heaven isn't so great after all. cheesy

Since they are the ones that says there is no God, the burden of proof lies with them and I don't see them coming up with anything meaningful!

Non-existence cannot be proved, existence can. Therefore the onus is on you to prove your god exists.

You see an empty house in a Forrest and believes it has no builder. It suddenly appears there by itself. Yeah right! 
That the house is there in the first place is enough proof that  somebody built it, even though you were not there when it was built, neither would you ever come in contact with it's builder. I don't do magic, so I believe just like a house, car, plane or chair has it's maker  so also does the Sun, Moon, Stars, Man has it's maker.

Since everything must have a maker, where did this god of yours originate? Or in the words of Wande Coal:


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4whrwoP-vJA[/flash]

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Re: Do You Find The Existence Of God Threatening? by Enigma(m): 2:50am On Jul 22, 2011
thehomer:

Which God did Anthony Flew believe in?

Why don't you answer the question yourself - and prove to all how informed and smart you really are?  smiley

thehomer:
Another thing to note here is citing Anthony Flew here is simply an argument from authority. You actually need to present the argument you're making rather than just name dropping.

This is either deceit or poor comprehension. Read my post again and see if I was trying to make any argument or simply pointing out a matter of fact and records.  wink



Breeze5000:
. . .  A lot of them just make mouth and ask all those kindergarten questions sometimes, Like lil kids who ask! ask! and ask without pausing to think or imagine if what they are saying makes sense. Since they are the ones that says there is no God, the burden of proof lies with them and I don't see them coming up with anything meaningful! . . .


Oh ho! Instead many of them, especially the evangelical atheists, would (a) rather play the sleight of hand that only the theists/deists have a burden of proof and/or (b) engage in childish sophistry asking the theist/deist to "define" "god" ---- pretending not, or too ignorant, to see the obvious ---- i.e. they can simply "define" or explain which "god" they are arguing does not exist or themselves simply "define" what a "god" is.

And they expect sensible people to engage them in debate --- and can't see why most sensible people just ignore them to their interminably boring rantings?

Cool!   cool
Re: Do You Find The Existence Of God Threatening? by Nobody: 3:37am On Jul 22, 2011
Enigma:

Oh ho! Instead many of them, especially the evangelical atheists, would (a) rather play the sleight of hand that only the theists/deists have a burden of proof and/or (b) engage in childish sophistry asking the theist/deist to "define" "god"---- pretending not, or too ignorant, to see the obvious ---- i.e. they can simply "define" or explain which "god" they are arguing does not exist or themselves simply "define" what a "god" is.

Cool!   cool

It is ok to admit you have no idea what you are talking about when you say God. No one is holding it against you as plenty of people are ignorant of what they say they believe. If you cannot even tell people what it is you believe, then you have no business talking about it as if it is "obvious" LOL.
Re: Do You Find The Existence Of God Threatening? by Enigma(m): 3:39am On Jul 22, 2011
^^^ Just like you are ignorant and have no clue about what you disbelieve and are trying to disprove? Cool!  cool
Re: Do You Find The Existence Of God Threatening? by Nobody: 4:13am On Jul 22, 2011
Enigma:

^^^ Just like you are ignorant and have no clue about what you disbelieve and are trying to disprove? Cool!  cool

Disprove/Disbelieve what? What exactly are you talking about? You keep telling people that they disbelieve/trying to disprove X, but you make no attempt to clarify what you are even talking about. When did clarifying what you are saying become "childish sophistry"? Again, if you cannot even articulate what you are talking about then you no business saying it is "obvious" LOL.
Re: Do You Find The Existence Of God Threatening? by Enigma(m): 4:31am On Jul 22, 2011
Have I ever talked to you about anything? Have I ever asked you to believe anything? And, even now, am I asking you to believe anything?

You come announcing you don't believe something and want to "disprove" it --- yet you do not even know what that something is! Wunderbar!

Who is the ignorant one then?

cool

PS You need to demonstrate better comprehension and to go back and read my post from which you are picking the word "obvious" and ascertain what I referred to as "obvious"!
Re: Do You Find The Existence Of God Threatening? by Nobody: 5:42am On Jul 22, 2011
Enigma:

Have I ever talked to you about anything? Have I ever asked you to believe anything? And, even now, am I asking you to believe anything?

cool

What are you talking about now? I was responding to you saying that it is "childish sophistry" to ask for some ontology for God.  You are the one who cannot be bothered to tell people what you are even talking about. Once again, if you are incapable of even telling people what you are talking about, then you have no business telling people what is "obvious" on the matter of "God".

 
Enigma:

You come announcing you don't believe something and want to "disprove" it --- yet you do not even know what that something is! Wunderbar!

Who is the ignorant one then?

cool


Please, show me where I announced that I do not believe in God and I want to "disprove" it. Go ahead. Take all the time you need.

Enigma:


PS You need to demonstrate better comprehension and to go back and read my post from which you are picking the word "obvious" and ascertain what I referred to as "obvious"!

I do not think you comprehend what I am saying. I have no idea what you mean when you say God. I have no opinion on the existence/non-existence of the thing God you are referring to. Until you give a definition of what God is I will continue to do so. I have no interest whatsoever in defining what God is for you. Where have I said/implied otherwise. There is nothing "obvious" about the definition of what you are referring to as God beyond the fact that no one knows what you are talking about including you it seems.

Please acquire  comprehension of epistemology. I suggest you start with Ontology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontology#Some_fundamental_questions since from your comment you seem to have difficulty understanding the importance of plain definitions in communication.

Again if you have no idea what you are talking about Enigma, then please withhold your pretense of knowledge.
Re: Do You Find The Existence Of God Threatening? by Enigma(m): 6:02am On Jul 22, 2011
Idehn:

What are you talking about now? I was responding to you saying that it is "childish sophistry" to ask for some ontology for God.  You are the one who cannot be bothered to tell people what you are even talking about. Once again, if you are incapable of even telling people what you are talking about, then you have no business telling people what is "obvious" on the matter of "God".

It is your problem not mine; you are the one who do not know the god you want to disprove. Your task is to ascertain that god or his "ontology" (very big word smiley ) and then disprove the god. If you find people who have time to provide what you want, bully for you; asking me to do so will be wasting your time to eternity.

By the way it does not make you look good to project your ignorance onto others.  wink


Idehn:
 
Please, show me where I announced that I do not believe in God and I want to "disprove" it. Go ahead. Take all the time you need.

I don't need much time, mate; here you go!

Idehn:
Enigma link=topic=715030.msg8756785#msg8756785 date=1311195527:

This is one thing that many atheists do not want to face; instead they try to play the sleight of hand that the burden of proof is on the theist/deist ---- yeah right, tell it to the birds!  smiley
Can someone here actually define what it is they want disproved? I am tired of being asked to provide evidence against something that does not even have a clear, coherent, and meaningful ontology. It is almost as if you made up a word, blaormoga, and have started asking other people to provide evidence that it does not exist.

^Here you quote me as asking for what I want disproved --- with the implicit suggestion that if I provide the what (i.e. definition of "god"wink, you can disprove it. Meanwhile, I never did ask you to believe/disbelieve, prove/disprove anything. All I did was make an observation that atheists contend/pretend that the burden of proof is on the theist/deist.

Idehn:
I do not think you comprehend what I am saying. I have no idea what you mean when you say God. I have no opinion on the existence/non-existence of the thing God you are referring to. Until you give a definition of what God is I will continue to do so. I have no interest whatsoever in defining what God is for you. Where have I said/implied otherwise. There is nothing "obvious" about the definition of what you are referring to as God beyond the fact that no one knows what you are talking about including you it seems.

Nah, you do not comprehend; please try harder! I do not care in the least whether or not you have an idea of the god that anyone is talking about. And again you show your poor comprehension with this reference to "obvious"; can you not do the simple task of going back to read the post in which I used the word "obvious" to see what it referred to? Alright I suppose I'd better help you with a clue: "obvious" was not referring to god or the existence of god --- go back and read it again --- maybe ten times will be sufficient?

Idehn:
Please acquire  comprehension of epistemology. I suggest you start with Ontology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontology#Some_fundamental_questions since from your comment you seem to have difficulty understanding the importance of plain definitions.

All these big big words! "Ontology", "epistemology" --- any other "-ologies" that you know? Anyway, if you have no difficulty "understanding the importance of plain definitions", you will provide the definition/s of the god/s that you want to disprove. Is that so hard to comprehend?

Idehn:
Again if you have no idea what you are talking about Enigma, then please withhold your pretense of knowledge.

If you think I have no idea, then that is fine. One thing that I (and even you) have demonstrated is that you have no idea at all of what you are talking about other than the usual evangelical atheist codswallop. You will only be able to make an impression if you can define the god/s that you do not believe and want to disprove.

cool
Re: Do You Find The Existence Of God Threatening? by Nobody: 7:10am On Jul 22, 2011
Enigma:

By the way it does not make you look good to project your ignorance onto others. wink

Yet through all your comments you shown an enormous aptitude for doing so. wink

Enigma:

I don't need much time, mate; here you go!
Can someone here actually define what it is they want disproved? I am tired of being asked to provide evidence against something that does not even have a clear, coherent, and meaningful ontology. It is almost as if you made up a word, blaormoga, and have started asking other people to provide evidence that it does not exist.


^Here you quote me as asking for what I want disproved --- with the implicit suggestion that if I provide the what (i.e. definition of "god"wink, you can disprove it. Meanwhile, I never did ask you to believe/disbelieve, prove/disprove anything. All I did was make an observation that atheists contend/pretend that the burden of proof is on the theist/deist.

Now it is you he needs reading comprehension. YOU entered this discussion by asserting that atheist are trying to "disprove" this thing you call God just as sweetnecta did below.

can you provide a clear incontrovertible evidence that God does not exist, irrespective of the obvious that could the order on this earth be without a Controller Who maintains the order?

I asked YOU to clarify what it IS you have now repeatedly asserted atheist are trying disprove. Are you talking about gravity like it seems sweetnecta was because I am certainly not trying to disprove gravity. If God=gravity then God exist in so far as gravity does.

If you cannot say what God is then stop telling(making the observation LOL) that people are out to disprove the thing you are calling God. Once again no one knows what you are even talking about and you refuse/unable to tell anybody. Once again, you have no business telling people what is "obvious" when you refer to God.

Enigma:

One thing that I (and even you) have demonstrated is that you have no idea at all of what you are talking about other than the usual evangelical atheist codswallop. You will only be able to make an impression if you can define the god/s that you do not believe and want to disprove.

Please read my first sentence. cool
Re: Do You Find The Existence Of God Threatening? by Enigma(m): 7:20am On Jul 22, 2011
Idehn:

. . . Now it is you he needs reading comprehension. YOU entered this discussion by asserting that atheist are trying to "disprove" this thing you call God just as sweetnecta did below.

Another example of poor comprehension or deceit and lies. People of proper comprehension and honesty can follow my posts from the very first one and see your statement for the lie it is.  smiley

Idehn:
I asked YOU to clarify what it IS you have now repeatedly asserted atheist are trying disprove. Are you talking about gravity like it seems sweetnecta was because I am certainly not trying to disprove gravity. If God=gravity then God exist in so far as gravity does.

When you can identify and define what it is you are trying to disprove, go ahead and disprove it.  wink

Idehn:
If you cannot say what God is then stop telling(making the observation LOL) that people are out to disprove the thing you are calling God. Once again no one knows what you are even talking about and you refuse/unable to tell anybody. Once again, you have no business telling people what is "obvious"  when you refer to God.

Yet another instance of poor comprehension or deceit; anyway, if you cannot define the god/s that you are trying to disprove then stop wasting people's time!  smiley

PS Have you now read that post mentioning "obvious" and did you work out what was "obvious"? How many readings did it take -- ten as I suggested?
Re: Do You Find The Existence Of God Threatening? by Nobody: 7:28am On Jul 22, 2011
Enigma:

Another example of poor comprehension or deceit and lies. People of proper comprehension and honesty can follow my posts from the very first one and see your statement for the lie it is.  smiley

When you can identify and define what it is you are trying to disprove, go ahead and disprove it.  wink

Yet another poor comprehension or deceit; anyway, if you cannot define the god/s that you are trying to disprove then stop wasting people's time!  smiley


Pitiful. Asking you to clarify what you are talking about is deceit? What world do you live in. . . never mind you will not be able to answer that either. The rest of what you said is just continuation of the nonsense you have be saying in all your post. Call me when you have something clear, coherent, and most importantly meaningful to say.

PSS I have no desire to make up a definition for God. This should be "obvious" LOL
Re: Do You Find The Existence Of God Threatening? by Enigma(m): 7:34am On Jul 22, 2011
^^^ Look when you can identify and define the god/s that you want to disprove, let's talk; otherwise all I'm getting from you is, as I said, the typical evangelical atheist codswallop which, invariably, is interminably boring.

PS At least, I have helped you to work on your comprehension a bit --- unless you still haven't worked out what I said was "obvious". wink

cool
Re: Do You Find The Existence Of God Threatening? by Nobody: 7:38am On Jul 22, 2011
If you absolutely need to have the last word then by all means have it. I will be the adult and step out of this conversation. In spite of all traded insults(A Nairaland Tradition grin), I appreciate having this conversation.
Re: Do You Find The Existence Of God Threatening? by Enigma(m): 7:41am On Jul 22, 2011
Arrrivederci

cool
Re: Do You Find The Existence Of God Threatening? by MadMax1(f): 8:38pm On Jul 23, 2011
Homer:

I don't see what the big deal is in calling theistic ideas delusional. What has so far been presented as evidence for most of the theistic Gods are really nothing more than wishful thinking or cultural indoctrination.

Sorry but I don't think they're both equally valid outlooks. As you've said above, one of them is more rational based on the information we have than the other.
Also, atheism isn't a religious stance. If anything, it is against a stance usually borne in religions.


No evidence has been advanced against the existence of God either. That doesn't mean atheists should be insulted. Though we still don't know the origins of life, natural selection is a brilliant,elegant explanation for the complexity of biological life, an alternative to ancient creation myths. It's a breath of fresh air, but it has nothing to do with God. Atheism is a religious stance. What other kind of stance is it, an economic one? You don't see the big deal in calling people who don't share your beliefs delusional? Speaks volumes.

There are thousands of Gods across many cultures worldwide. Why aren't adherents of these Gods fighting evolution?Because the theoy of evolution came out of the American and European traditions, so only their God feels threatened by it. Indian and Chinese and African Gods don't care, and aren't bothered by evolutionary theories. I'm not suggesting atheism is more rational than theism, only that it's logic is easier to follow.

Some atheists keep going beyond the facts. Thinking atheists don't arrogantly dismiss a Maker. The sum total of all human knowledge simply isn't enough for that. What atheists- the ones I take seriously anyhow- dismiss are the Gods that the convenional religions insist on shoving down people's throats. Theism makes far more sense to many than atheism, otherwise atheists wouldn't be a tiny minority. A theist can accept atheism as valid because there are no ways to determine the 'right' or 'wrong' of religious outlooks; it's all entirely subjective, it's all personal experience and opinion. A person simply has a right to belief or non-belief and neither is 'better' than the other. Both are valid, as there are no universal measures for these things.
Re: Do You Find The Existence Of God Threatening? by thehomer: 12:23am On Jul 24, 2011
Enigma:

Why don't you answer the question yourself - and prove to all how informed and smart you really are?  smiley

I wasn't aware that he believed in any particular God. Your post seemed to indicate otherwise. So which God was it?

Enigma:

This is either deceit or poor comprehension. Read my post again and see if I was trying to make any argument or simply pointing out a matter of fact and records.  wink

If you weren't making any argument, then what was the point of declaring Anthony Flew and attaching to him the title of "atheist champion of all time"? It seems yet again that some are unable to understand what they post.


Enigma:

Oh ho! Instead many of them, especially the evangelical atheists, would (a) rather play the sleight of hand that only the theists/deists have a burden of proof and/or (b) engage in childish sophistry asking the theist/deist to "define" "god" ---- pretending not, or too ignorant, to see the obvious ---- i.e. they can simply "define" or explain which "god" they are arguing does not exist or themselves simply "define" what a "god" is.

And they expect sensible people to engage them in debate --- and can't see why most sensible people just ignore them to their interminably boring rantings?

Cool!   cool

It seems you don't know what sophistry is because it is what you do when you keep running from clearly identifying what you're referring to in these sorts of discussions.
Re: Do You Find The Existence Of God Threatening? by thehomer: 12:43am On Jul 24, 2011
Mad_Max:

No evidence has been advanced against the existence of God either. That doesn't mean atheists should be insulted. Though we still don't know the origins of life, natural selection is a brilliant,elegant explanation for the complexity of biological life, an alternative to ancient creation myths. It's a breath of fresh air, but it has nothing to do with God. Atheism is a religious stance. What other kind of stance is it, an economic one? You don't see the big deal in calling people who don't share your beliefs delusional? Speaks volumes.

Evidence is often advanced once the God being spoken of is properly identified. This is why given the Bible and other similar books, it is easy to show that those Gods are incoherent among other things. Even if these incoherent Gods were to beat all odds and be out there, they still wouldn't be worthy of consideration.
Actually, evolution by natural selection says a lot about what the previous Gods claimed as their domains. It effectively pushes them out of those domains.
Atheism as it is currently used is more of a movement against the sorts of excuses religious people use to push their Gods all over the place.
I'm not calling people who don't share my beliefs delusional but people who show contempt for evidence and rational thoughts in addition to pushing wishful thinking.

Mad_Max:

There are thousands of Gods across many cultures worldwide. Why aren't adherents of these Gods fighting evolution?Because the theoy of evolution came out of the American and European traditions, so only their God feels threatened by it. Indian and Chinese and African Gods don't care, and aren't bothered by evolutionary theories. I'm not suggesting atheism is more rational than theism, only that it's logic is easier to follow.

The theory of evolution came out of scientific means and not a particular tradition. It just happened that the discovery was made by Europeans. Those Gods would care as soon as the information and the implications of the theory spread to those who hold their Gods in high esteem.

Mad_Max:

Some atheists keep going beyond the facts. Thinking atheists don't arrogantly dismiss a Maker. The sum total of all human knowledge simply isn't enough for that. What atheists- the ones I take seriously anyhow- dismiss are the Gods that the convenional religions insist on shoving down people's throats. Theism makes far more sense to many than atheism, otherwise atheists wouldn't be a tiny minority. A theist can accept atheism as valid because there are no ways to determine the 'right' or 'wrong' of religious outlooks; it's all entirely subjective, it's all personal experience and opinion. A person simply has a right to belief or non-belief and neither is 'better' than the other. Both are valid, as there are no universal measures for these things.

I don't think dismissing this unknowable maker is arrogant. If the maker were a law of the universe or something of that sort, would it be arrogant? Theism making sense to many doesn't make it correct. Neither does being in a minority make one wrong.
No one is denying people the right to belief but many deny others the right of non-belief. A lot would hang on what you mean by better in your statement above.
Re: Do You Find The Existence Of God Threatening? by Enigma(m): 12:54am On Jul 24, 2011
thehomer:

I wasn't aware that he believed in any particular God. Your post seemed to indicate otherwise. So which God was it?

Your ignorance (or lack of awareness) is your own problem, not mine; what a wise person would do in those circumstances would be to go and inform himself. You could start by asking your fellow evangelical atheists here; one of them has been going on about which god Flew believed and which he didn't. smiley

thehomer:
If you weren't making any argument, then what was the point of declaring Anthony Flew and attaching to him the title of "atheist champion of all time"? It seems yet again that some are unable to understand what they post.

If you don't get my point, that is your problem, not mine; I can't continue giving all these comprehension lessons!

thehomer:
It seems you don't know what sophistry is because it is what you do when you keep running from clearly identifying what you're referring to in these sorts of discussions.

OK smiley
Re: Do You Find The Existence Of God Threatening? by thehomer: 2:31pm On Jul 24, 2011
Enigma:

Your ignorance (or lack of awareness) is your own problem, not mine; what a wise person would do in those circumstances would be to go and inform himself. You could start by asking your fellow evangelical atheists here; one of them has been going on about which god Flew believed and which he didn't. smiley

As usual, when you make blind assertions and are called on them, you try to dance around and obfuscate issues. My advice to you is that you learn to clearly say what you mean in order to avoid appearing ignorant or deceptive.
I'm asking what you think not what someone else thinks.

Enigma:

If you don't get my point, that is your problem, not mine; I can't continue giving all these comprehension lessons!

Again, you have failed to show that you even understand what you were saying. This appears to be a common problem with your posts.

Enigma:

OK smiley

You're welcome.
Re: Do You Find The Existence Of God Threatening? by Enigma(m): 2:56pm On Jul 24, 2011
thehomer:

As usual, when you make blind assertions and are called on them, you try to dance around and obfuscate issues. My advice to you is that you learn to clearly say what you mean in order to avoid appearing ignorant or deceptive.
I'm asking what you think not what someone else thinks.

Again you show yourself to be of poor comprehension or very deceitful; point to the assertion that I made; point to the calling on them that I have failed to defend.

thehomer:
Again, you have failed to show that you even understand what you were saying. This appears to be a common problem with your posts.

That you keep getting so near to zero for comprehension makes me lean towards the conclusion that you are just deceitful and intellectually dishonest.


Fact of the matter is Flew renounced atheism, converted to deism/theism. However, the real problem of you and your fellow evangelical atheists is that the arguments that you parrot here, usually being Flew's arguments, Flew later accepted that many of them are superseded by the intellectual case and evidence for Intelligent Design; in fact he referred to some of his works as "obsolete". So you see part of the problem that you and  other neophyte or sciolist evangelical atheists have is that you lot know that, for the discerning, your arguments are unimpressive --- so you try resorting to underhand and intellectually dishonest methodssmiley
Re: Do You Find The Existence Of God Threatening? by wlex8(m): 3:35pm On Jul 25, 2011
@OP

- What if God is not a psychopath run amok(as those scriptures suggest)?
- What if God does not live only in the scriptures of these so-called 'world religions'?
- What if God does not need our worship via these religions or any other, for that matter(as the scriptures claim)?
- What if God does not need our daily praise?
- What if God does not have a "chosen people or culture", as the world religions suggest?
- What if God has no preferred religion?
- What if God leaves us to create and adjust our morality and ethics as we grow and evolve, instead having them handed down to us via scriptures?
- What if God has created no hell, except the one we create for ourselves here on earth?
- What if there is no paradise except the one we create for ourselves here on earth?
- What if God wants only wants our continual intellectual, mental, psychical, spiritual and physical evolution via our daily interactive experiences with the physical universe around us and beyond through every means available without restrictions?
- What if God only wants to stay in the background and watch us evolve in all these areas and levels without interfering in any way, except to merely set the stage.



People are not addressing these good points you raised

There is absolutely no need to say God does not exist, rather we can say we don't know for sure

If we can have common definition of who God really is or not, that is the starting point.
Re: Do You Find The Existence Of God Threatening? by thehomer: 6:31pm On Jul 25, 2011
Enigma:

Again you show yourself to be of poor comprehension or very deceitful; point to the assertion that I made; point to the calling on them that I have failed to defend.

Go back and read your assertions. They're there in case you feel you're suffering from some memory loss. You have failed to point out the God that Flew believed in. Rather than give an answer, you keep dancing around.

Enigma:

That you keep getting so near to zero for comprehension makes me lean towards the conclusion that you are just deceitful and intellectually dishonest.

Wow. Again, you show your poor reasoning habits. If someone doesn't understand what you're saying, do you conclude that the person is deceitful and intellectually dishonest? Do you really have such poor English comprehension skills? Or are you unable to reason clearly?

Enigma:

Fact of the matter is Flew renounced atheism, converted to deism/theism. However, the real problem of you and your fellow evangelical atheists is that the arguments that you parrot here, usually being Flew's arguments, Flew later accepted that many of them are superseded by the intellectual case and evidence for Intelligent Design; in fact he referred to some of his works as "obsolete". So you see part of the problem that you and  other neophyte or sciolist evangelical atheists have is that you lot know that, for the discerning, your arguments are unimpressive --- so you try resorting to underhand and intellectually dishonest methodssmiley     

I love how you keep throwing in "evangelical atheists" trying to bring atheists down to your level. It really is a poor habit.
You are still making the same mistake of name dropping. Simply saying Anthony Flew agreed with a certain argument doesn't make it correct. That is the fallacy known as an appeal to authority.
The way to rectify this is by actually presenting the arguments themselves in a non-fallacious manner. I've already tried to correct you but for some reason, you seem unable to take correction.
So, if you wish to be taken seriously, try to actually understand and present the arguments for discussion rather than committing logical fallacies.
Re: Do You Find The Existence Of God Threatening? by Enigma(m): 8:08pm On Jul 25, 2011
^So basically you haven't got anything sensible tosay. Truth is I didn't expect anything better from you. smiley
Re: Do You Find The Existence Of God Threatening? by mazaje(m): 9:46pm On Jul 25, 2011
Enigma:

^So basically you haven't got anything sensible tosay. Truth is I didn't expect anything better from you. smiley

What's the name of the God Antony Flew believes in?. . . . . . .Is the God the same God with Yahweh the God of the bible?
Re: Do You Find The Existence Of God Threatening? by thehomer: 10:43pm On Jul 25, 2011
Enigma:

^So basically you haven't got anything sensible tosay. Truth is I didn't expect anything better from you. smiley

Keep running. Even after you've been called out with a simple question and your fallacious reasoning has been clearly shown.
I on the other hand expected better from you but it seems you're unable to perform better.
Re: Do You Find The Existence Of God Threatening? by thehomer: 10:44pm On Jul 25, 2011
mazaje:

What's the name of the God Antony Flew believes in?. . . . . . .Is the God the same God with Yahweh the God of the bible?

That's what I've been trying to find out from him but he seems quite confused.
Re: Do You Find The Existence Of God Threatening? by Enigma(m): 11:41pm On Jul 25, 2011
^^^ By not knowing the god that Antony Flew believed in, you confirm your ignorance contrary to what you try to portray. If you know and you are just pretending, then you confirm your duplicity and dishonesty,

Your choice.  smiley
Re: Do You Find The Existence Of God Threatening? by thehomer: 8:58pm On Jul 26, 2011
Enigma:

^^^ By not knowing the god that Antony Flew believed in, you confirm your ignorance contrary to what you try to portray. If you know and you are just pretending, then you confirm your duplicity and dishonesty,

Your choice.  smiley

Assume I'm ignorant, why don't you simply point out the God he believed in?

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