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Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:03am On Jun 02, 2022 |
Image123: I've told you: MaxInDHouse: So if you believe it then you're supposed to explain how that word correlates with God's word! ![]() |
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by Image123(m): 10:06am On Jun 02, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: You don't know what Rapture means and you are talking rubbish since. Let me cure your ignorant gullibility by force. The rapture is the term referring to the catching up of believers to meet the Lord Jesus in the air. It is explained stated in the Bible in passages like the below. 1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1 Like |
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:00am On Jun 02, 2022 |
Image123: Well it should have rightly be RESURRECTION because what Paul is talking about there is the resurrection of the first fruit of God's Kingdom. So if some RELIGION call it RAPTURE and others question the WORD used i don't see any reason why you should be offended since what you yourself quoted never mention that word, and mind you the word RAPTURE could mean several other things which has nothing to do with the Bible: RAPTURE [1]Extreme pleasure, happiness or excitement. [2]In some forms of fundamentalist Protestant eschatology, the event when Jesus returns and gathers the souls of living believers. (Usually "the rapture." ![]() [3]The act of kidnapping or abducting, especially the forceful carrying off of a woman. [4]Rape; ravishment; sexual violation. [5]The act of carrying, conveying, transporting or sweeping along by force of movement; the force of such movement; the fact of being carried along by such movement. [6]A spasm; a fit; a syncope; delirium. Oxford dictionary! ![]()
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Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by Image123(m): 11:59am On Jun 02, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Lol, people who are alive and remain are resurrected? Are you okay bayi? Get a proper dictionary not a roadside/stolen newspaper. 1 Like |
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by iramure(m): 12:36pm On Jun 02, 2022 |
Kobojunkie:teaching of jesus christ was also a product of someone's theory |
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by Kobojunkie: 12:59pm On Jun 02, 2022 |
iramure:Whose theory is that written in John 5 vs 19 - 29? ![]() Whose theory is that written in Matthew 25 vs 1 - 13? ![]() Whose theory is that written in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46? |
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by iramure(m): 1:27pm On Jun 02, 2022 |
Kobojunkie:as long as the bible was written by human, I care not about whose inspiration it was. The bible did not fall from anywhere. If the bible had been written in Nigeria, would your colonial masters have taken it as God's inspired? So why should i permit inferiority rule over me to the point that I start to see anything from abroad as authentic while mine here as evil? |
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by xproducer: 1:34pm On Jun 02, 2022 |
"We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord." - 2 Corinthians 5:8 "And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him." - Matthew 17:1-3 |
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by Kobojunkie: 1:36pm On Jun 02, 2022 |
iramure:Abeg Waka pass me if you have nothing tangible to add to this ! ![]() |
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:38pm On Jun 02, 2022 |
Image123: Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, if this is what you mean then it's not even close to what God's word teaches! According to God's word all those who are going to heaven must die first before they can be transformed they must taste death (the same cup) before joining Jesus in his kingdom {Matt 20:22} the corruptible body must die and be buried (sown) first! 1Corin 15:42 What Paul is saying there is that unlike the first set of born again Christians who slept in death {Matt 13:25} for centuries before Jesus' return those who are still alive will no longer remain in their graves as dead people rather they will be transformed instantly after their death and burial to join Jesus and their fellow born again Christians in heaven! 1Corin 15:50-54 Now i know why REAL Bible students disagree with the usage of that word "RAPTURE" ![]() |
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by Image123(m): 1:49pm On Jun 02, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Which what God's Word teaches again, is it my word? i quoted Bible for you, you say it is not close to what God's word teaches. ![]() ![]() ![]() 1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. This is the Rapture we talk about, whatever other words you call it. But don't confuse it with resurrection. The previous verse clearly says the dead will rise first, another passage confirm that we shall not all sleep/die. 1 Like |
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:58pm On Jun 02, 2022 |
Image123: Jesus told his disciples who strongly desire to rule with him that they have to drink from the( same cup) with him {Matt 20:22} the cup Jesus drank was DEATH! Luke 22:42 There's no way any human can go to heaven with Christ without first dying and burial, that's the only way their corruptible body could be sown before germinating into the incorruptible! 1Corin 15:42 So the word RAPTURE doesn't fit in at all! ![]() |
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by iramure(m): 2:39pm On Jun 02, 2022 |
Kobojunkie:just answer the question I asked here |
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by Kobojunkie: 2:50pm On Jun 02, 2022 |
iramure:Like I said ....Abeg Waka pass me if you have nothing tangible to add to this ! ![]() |
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by oaroloye(m): 3:08pm On Jun 02, 2022 |
SHALOM! IF ANYONE HERE DIED RIGHT NOW, WE WOULD NOT GO ANYWHERE. Our Souls would be summarily destroyed. When any creature is born, it is imprinted with a fresh copy of the Commands of The Creator to that creature, enabling it you do the things of its kind, by a manifestation of God, called a Mold. . JOHN 1:1-14. IN The Beginning was The Word, and The Word was with God, and The Word was God. 2. The same was in The Beginning with God. 3. All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made. 4. In Him was Life; and The Life was The Light of Men. 5. And the light shineth in Darkness; and The Darkness comprehended it not. 6. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of The Light, that all men through him might believe. 8. He was not That Light, but was sent to bear witness of That Light. 9. That was The True Light, Which lighteth every man that cometh into the World. 10. He was in the World, and the World was made by him, and the World knew him not. 11. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12. But as many as received him, to them gave he Power to become the Sons of God, even to them that believe on his Name: 13. Which were Born, not of blood, nor of the Will of the Flesh, nor of the Will of Man, but of God. 14. And the Word was made Flesh, and dwelt among us, [and we beheld his Glory, the Glory as of the only begotten of The Father,] full of Grace and Truth. AT THE SAME TIME, THESE CREATURES ARE CONNECTED TO A STREAM OF PACKETS OF LIVING FIRE, THAT IMPACT ON A POSITION OF THEIR SOUL BODY CHARACTERISTIC TO THAT SORT OF CREATURE. (That of Humans is about three finger-widths beneath the navel.) . JOHN 7:37-39. 37. In the Last Day, that Great Day of The Feast, Jesus stood and Cried, Saying, "If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink. 38. "He that believeth on me, as the Scripture hath said, 'OUT OF HIS BELLY SHALL FLOW RIVERS OF LIVING WATER.' 39. [But this Spake he of The Spirit, Which they that believe on him should receive: for The Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.] SO LONG AS THIS ENERGY-OF-LIFE IS APPLIED ACCORDING TO THE INSTRUCTIONS OF THE CREATOR, THE SOUL BODY OF THE CREATURE REMAINS VIBRANT, FLEXIBLE, AND RESILIENT. But if not, the Soul Body becomes lethargic, rigid, and brittle. Eventually, the impact of these balls or rings of fire crack the Soul Body open, and its contents gush out. That is immediate Death. . LUKE 12:35-48. 34. "For where your Treasure is, there will your heart be also. 35. "Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning; 36. "And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately. 37. "Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I Say unto you, 'THAT HE SHALL GIRD HIMSELF, AND MAKE THEM SIT DOWN TO MEAT, AND WILL COME FORTH AND SERVE THEM.' 38. "And if he shall come in the Second Watch, or come in the Third Watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants. 39. "And this know, 'THAT IF THE GOODMAN OF THE HOUSE HAD KNOWN WHAT HOUR THE THIEF WOULD COME HE WOULD HAVE WATCHED, AND NOT SUFFERED HIS HOUSE TO BE BROKEN THROUGH.' 40. "Be ye therefore ready also: for The Son of Man cometh at an hour when ye think not." 41. Then Peter said unto him, "Lord, Speakest thou this Parable unto us, or even to all?" 42. And the Lord Said, "Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? 43. "Blessed is that Servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 44. Of a Truth I Say unto you, 'THAT HE WILL MAKE HIM RULER OVER ALL THAT HE HATH.' 45. "But and if that servant say in his heart, 'MY LORD DELAYETH HIS COMING;' and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46. "The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47. "And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48. "But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." THE FEED LINE MANIFESTS AN ACCOUNTANT-ENTITY, THAT REQUIRES A COPY OF THE CREATURE'S WHOLE MEMORY LIFE LOG FROM BIRTH. If this data is not forthcoming in a speedy fashion, the Accountant-Entity intrusively cuts into the Soul Body, and extracts it by Brute Force, and departs. The Soul Body so treated is fatally-compromised, and unable to deploy its AfterLife Body. Spirit Being Scavengers attack the damaged Soul Body, and tear it to pieces, in the effort to harvest its last Life Energies- which they had been planning to do to it since it was born. The secretive sect of Native Naguals (Shapeshifter Seers) who observed this process noted that it befalls most men, and all animals. They determined that the few Humans who escaped did so, because they TOTALLY RECALLED their whole lives, without break, error, distortion. nor omission. They discovered that anyone can do this, should they spend 20 minutes daily, REMEMBERING EVERYTHING THEY KNOW ABOUT EVERYONE THEY EVER MET IN THEIR WHOLE LIVES. After maybe 20 hours, give-or-take, you no longer simply remember the Past- you relive It- as though It were happening again. Mind-Blocking traumas can be relived repeatedly, until they are no longer traumatic. In under one year, one is able to RECAPITULATE one's entire life from Birth in 20 minutes. That involves TOTAL RECALL at the rate of 1 YEAR/MINUTE- or faster. If such a person as has done this dies, the Naguals observed that they are not molested by the Accountant-Entity, nor by the Scavengers, but the Soul Body retrieves all the Life Energy out of every cell, and uses It to manifest a SPIRIT ENERGY BODY, capable of housing Its MIND, Its MEMORY, and Its PERSONALITY. This Entity then goes to HEAVEN, or to PARADISE, or to HELL, as Its Last Life has earned. HEAVEN IS SEVEN UNIVERSES SENIOR TO THIS EARTH UNIVERSE: TO PERCEIVE, ACCESS, AND OTHERWISE EXPLOIT A HEAVENLY UNIVERSE, YOU MUST KNOW AND UNDERSTAND ITS LAWS. Deathbed Confession (Extreme Unction,) no matter how profuse, will not get a Sinner into Heaven. PARADISE is for the Righteous who lack HEAVENLY AWARENESS. HELL is for the Unrighteous who have died with TOTAL RECALL. These have stupendous potential to cause a variety of harm. Therefore, they have to be incarcerated. FIRE AND WATER are Spiritual Energy conduits and containments. No Scripture says that Spirit Beings are BURNT in Hell. [See: DIANETICS: The Modern Science of Mental Health, by L. Ron Hubbard (1950). SELF ANALYSIS, by L. Ron Hubbard (1951). THE EAGLE'S GIFT, by Carlos Castaneda (1981). THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda (1985). THE POWER OF SILENCE, by Carlos Castaneda (1987). THE ACTIVE SIDE OF INFINITY, by Carlos Castaneda (1998) THE SCAVENGER SPIRIT-BEINGS REMOVE THE DIVINE IMPRINT FROM HUMANS, AT BIRTH, AND REPLACE IT WITH AN IMPLANT OF THEIR OWN DEVISING. This feeds us directives contraDisciplinebreCreator's Commands. Obeying them taints our Life Force, entitling them to siphon It away, until It reaches a minimum subsistent level of about 1%. This also impairs our Consciousnesses, reducing It to less than 10%. RECAPITULATION enables us to perceive the difference between our own thoughts, and those of the Implant. RECAPITULATION enables us to recover our lost Consciousness to 100%, disabling all the Subconsciousness Triggers that sabotage Spiritual Development. THE ENEMY IMPLANT sends ugly tap roots throughout our Soul Body, delineating Its influence and control. Effective Spiritual Discipline breaks these roots off, until none remain. The Implant feels threatened, and flees your Soul Body. Leaving behind a peaceful void in one's Mind, without Its insidious yammering. THE SPIRIT ENERGY AFTERLIFE BODY- YOU DO NOT HAVE TO DIE TO CREATE IT. You can create It by LUCID DREAMING. (1) SETTING UP DREAMING: Resolve that, when you go to sleep- whatever is going on in your dreams, YOU WILL LOOK AT YOUR HANDS. If you are wise, you will finish your RECAPITULATION, before you try this. NOTE THAT YOU DO NOT DO ANY OF THESE EXERCISES HALF-WAY! You must FINISH, once you start. If you accumulate Spiritual Energy beyond the 1% they allow us, YOU HAVE DECLARED WAR AGAINST THE SCAVENGERS. If you TAINT your Life Force again, they may take your expanded Consciousness with It: THIS COULD TURN YOU INSANE, OR KILL YOU OUTRIGHT! There are lots of people in MENTAL INSTITUTIONS, from messing around with this shit. This shit is very serious. (2) SETTING UP PERCEPTION: When you have found those your hands on DREAMING is THE FIRST TIME YOU HAD AN ACTUAL BODY IN YOUR DREAMS. You will think otherwise, but that is incorrect. Those "bodies" were imaginary. Do not try to look as you do in the Physical Realm. Scan around yourself, without allowing your your gaze to fix on anything. (3) SETTING UP MOBILITY: DO NOT TRY TO WALK, JUMP, RUN, etc. as you do, physically. Intend your changes in location. "Use The Force, Luke." (4) CHANGING DREAMS: WHEN YOU CAN PERCEIVE PROPERLY, AND MOVE PROPERLY, deliberately gaze at things or beings in your Dreams, to make them change. This changes the Dream you are in, into another Dream. Some things or beings you try to change will not be changed- because your Mind did not create them: they come from outside your Mind. Do not interfere with them, at this stage of your development. (5) DREAMING THE WORLD: WHEN YOU HAVE CHANGED DREAMS NUMEROUS TIMES, you will one day have a Dream in which you see someone asleep in bed. Who turns out to be YOU. VERIFY that this is indeed your bedroom. CAUTION! ON NO ACCOUNT INTERFERE WITH YOUR SLEEPING BODY! Turn away, and go get something useful done. (6) EXPLORE THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE WITH YOUR DREAMING BODY: Send your Dreaming Body on Missions, and learn to interact with the Physical Universe. Eventually, you will be able to use the DREAMING BODY while you are wide-awake, effectively being in two places at once. You can make your DREAMING BODY visible and tangible, and interact with people, who will think it your normal body. [See: THE ART OF DREAMING, by Carlos Castaneda (1993).] The Use of your DREAMING BODY will prove to you that Death of the Physical Body is meaningless. If your Physical Body dies, or is killed, and you have been doing The Lord's Works: . LUKE 4:15-21. 15. And he taught in their Synagogues, being glorified of all. 16. And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the Synagogue on the Sabbath Day, and stood up for to read. 17. And there was delivered unto him The Book of the Prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the Book, he found the place where it was written, 18. "THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME, BECAUSE HE HATH ANOINTED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR; HE HATH SENT ME TO HEAL THE BROKENHEARTED, TO PREACH DELIVERANCE TO THE CAPTIVES, AND RECOVERY OF SIGHT TO THE BLIND, TO SET AT LIBERTY THEM THAT ARE BRUISED, 19. "TO PREACH THE ACCEPTABLE YEAR OF THE LORD." 20. And he closed the Book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21. And he began to Say unto them, "This Day is this Scripture fulfilled in your ears." . LUKE 7:19-23. 19. And John calling unto him two of his Disciples sent them to Jesus, saying, "Art thou he that should come? Or look we for another?" 20. When the men were come unto him, they said, John Baptist hath sent us unto thee, saying, 'ART THOU HE THAT SHOULD COME? OR LOOK WE FOR ANOTHER?' 21. And in that same hour he cured many of their Infirmities and Plagues, and of Evil Spirits; and unto many that were blind he gave sight. 22. Then Jesus Answering Said unto them, "Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the Blind See, the Lame Walk, the Lepers are Cleansed, the Deaf Hear, the Dead are Raised, to the Poor The Gospel is preached. 23. "And Blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me." . JOHN 14:1-28. "LET not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2. "In my Father's House there are Mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. 3. "And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4. "And whither I go ye know, and The Way ye know." 5. Thomas saith unto him, "Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know The Way?" 6. Jesus Saith unto him, "I am The Way, The Truth, and The Life: no man cometh unto The Father, but by me. 7. "If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know Him, and have seen Him." 8. Philip saith unto him, "Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us." 9. Jesus Saith unto him, "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? He that hath seen me hath seen The Father; and how sayest thou then, 'SHEW US THE FATHER?' 10. "Believest thou not that I am in The Father, and The Father in me? The Words that I Speak unto you I Speak not of myself: but The Father that dwelleth in me, He doeth the Works. 11. "Believe me that I am in The Father, and The Father in me: or else believe me for the very Works' sake. 12. "Verily, verily, I Say unto you, 'HE THAT BELIEVETH ON ME, THE WORKS THAT I DO SHALL HE DO ALSO; AND GREATER WORKS THAN THESE SHALL HE DO; BECAUSE I GO UNTO MY FATHER.' 13. "And whatsoever ye shall ask in my Name, that will I do, that The Father may be Glorified in The Son. 14. "If ye shall ask any thing in my Name, I will do it. 15. "If ye love me, keep my Commandments. 16. "And I will pray The Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever; 17. "Even The Spirit of Truth; Whom the World cannot receive, because It seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. 18. "I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. 19. "Yet a little while, and the World seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20. "At that Day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. 21. "He that hath my Commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him." 22. Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, "Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the World?" 23. Jesus Answered and Said unto him, "If a man love me, he will keep my Words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24. "He that loveth me not keepeth not my Sayings: and the Word which ye hear is not mine, but The Father's Which sent me. 25. "These things have I Spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26. "But The Comforter, Which is The Holy Ghost, Whom The Father will send in my Name, He shall Teach you all things, and bring all things to your Remembrance, whatsoever I have Said unto you. 27. "Peace I leave with you, my Peace I give unto you: not as the World giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. 28. "Ye have heard how I Said unto you, 'I GO AWAY, AND COME AGAIN UNTO YOU.' If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I Said, 'I GO UNTO THE FATHER:' for my Father is greater than I." . JOHN 15:1-16. "I AM The True Vine, and my Father is The Husbandman. 2. "Every branch in me that beareth not Fruit He taketh away: and every branch that beareth Fruit, He purgeth it, that it may bring forth more Fruit. 3. "Now ye are clean through the Word Which I have Spoken unto you. 4. "Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5. "I am the Vine, ye are the Branches: 'HE THAT ABIDETH IN ME AND I IN HIM, THE SAME BRINGETH FORTH MUCH FRUIT:' for without me ye can do Nothing. 6. "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the Fire, and they are burned. 7. "If ye abide in me, and my Words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8. "Herein is my Father Glorified, 'THAT YE BEAR MUCH FRUIT.' so shall ye be my Disciples. 9. "As The Father hath Loved me, so have I Loved you: continue ye in my Love. 10. "If ye keep my Commandments, ye shall abide in my Love; even as I have kept my Father's Commandments, and abide in His Love. 11. "These things have I Spoken unto you, that my Joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. 12. "This is my Commandment, 'THAT YE LOVE ONE ANOTHER, AS I HAVE LOVED YOU.' 13. "Greater love hath no man than this, 'THAT A MAN LAY DOWN HIS LIFE FOR HIS FRIENDS.' 14. "Ye are my Friends, if ye do whatsoever I Command you. 15. "Henceforth I call you not "Servants;" for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you "Friends;" for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. 16. "Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth Fruit, and that your Fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of The Father in my Name, He may give it you." TO REPAIR OR RECONSTRUCT YOUR PHYSICAL BODY FROM THE OUTSIDE SHOULD BE CHILD'S PLAY. The Early Church never learned to do this, because they did not abide in the Words of Lord Yeshua. That was because the Disciples withheld them, contrary to Lord Yeshua's Directive, so that no one would surpass them, as he had predicted would happen. So that everyone died, because of "The Apostles' " envy, greed, and hatred. |
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by iramure(m): 3:17pm On Jun 02, 2022 |
Kobojunkie:ok, since you can't answer my questions, let me leave you to continue believing in tales of the moonlight as narrated by your colonial slave merchants |
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by Kobojunkie: 3:32pm On Jun 02, 2022 |
iramure:Abeg waka pass me o'jare! ![]() |
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:36pm On Jun 02, 2022 |
iramure:If you're truly interested in finding answers to thought provoking questions regarding religion just ask Jehovah's Witnesses. We will patiently address your questions! ![]() |
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by Image123(m): 8:35pm On Jun 02, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Actually to set the record straight, all the disciples wanted to rule with Jesus and were promised so (Matthew 19:28 and Luke 22:30). What those two were asking for was to be second in command, at His right and left hand. This has nothing to do with the believers being caught up to meet the Lord in the air. Rapture is not just for two or twelve people. Secondly, they were all going to die anyway (Hebrews 9:27). Physical death doesn't qualify anyone for Heaven or for rapture, otherwise everyone is going fa since that's the cup according to you. This passage is clearly different from a passage which demarcates dead people from those who are alive and remain. It says we shall not all sleep/die.(1Corinth 15:51), you say they must all die and even be buried. Do you sincerely expect me to believe you above Paul? 1 Like |
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:52pm On Jun 02, 2022 |
Image123: Jesus was talking to his disciples: Some will go to heaven {Matt 5:3} others will inherit the earth! Matt 5:5 So you're free to go out there to PREACH and TEACH what you know! ![]() |
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by Image123(m): 4:24am On Jun 03, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Instead of a Jwickedness member to humbly correct his errors and learn, he'd rather remain sickly indoctrinated and give me the freedom i have always had. ![]() The Matthew 5 blessings/beatitudes are not mutually exclusive to persons, they are for every believer that meet the criteria. The poor in spirit can also be meek and merciful together, no demarcation. You can go to Heaven and inherit the earth. But those are not even what we were talking about. We were talking about being caught up in the cloud to meet the Lord in the air(not really Heaven or earth yet). It is what the Bible teaches, do learn not to say otherwise again. 1 Like |
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:19am On Jun 03, 2022 |
Image123: You wanted to correct something but failed to complete your study on what you're arrogantly arguing about. Well the highlighted contradicts Paul's word: "then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord. 1Thess 4:17 Compare to Then I looked, and lo, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder; the voice I heard was like the sound of harpers playing on their harps, and they sing a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and before the elders. No one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who had been redeemed from the earth. It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are chaste; it is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes; these have been redeemed from mankind as first fruits for God and the Lamb, and in their mouth no lie was found, for they are spotless. Reve 14:1-5 So humble yourself and let JWs TEACH you! Those mentioned @ Matt 5:3 are surely going to HEAVEN to be WITH JESUS FOREVER they are the FIRST FRUIT of God's Kingdom! The twelve apostles are the foundation stones {Reve 21:14} because after God planted the tree of salvation which is Christ {John 15:1} the Apostles became the branches {John 15:6} so nobody can gain entrance into God's Kingdom without passing through the teachings of the Apostles which they received from Christ! Act 2:42 The tree (Christ) produced it's first fruit and that is what amount to 144,000 co-rulers who will go and rule with him in heaven {Reve 20:5-6} all other faithful servants of God including later Christians are like the second fruit or (other sheep) {John 10:16} who will be on planet earth {Reve 14:6} unlike the first fruit Jesus promised to go and prepare accomodations for in heaven {John 14:1-3} those that will inherit the earth are going to build their own houses and live forever on planet earth! Isaiah 65:21-23 So when Jesus mentioned HEAVEN and EARTH @ Matt 5:3&5 God's Holy Spirit has revealed to us all the sacred secrets in each of his statement. Ọmọ humble yourself and learn from JWs they know far far better than your pastors, and if you're also one of the Pastors in Christendom i pity you because you're heading towards destruction as you're always kicking against Jesus' brothers who are gathering the other sheep {John 10:16} the earthly subjects of God's Kingdom! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:12am On Jun 03, 2022 |
SPTruth: C'mon the bible said they rose up here, on earth and moved about here, on earth that even their neighbours and families saw them. But they did not ascend into heaven like Jesus nor were they taken away like Elijah. Therefore the only way the left the earth is that they died a second time. |
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by Image123(m): 9:12am On Jun 03, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: You have said nothing except the usual indoctrinated copy and paste jargon. Clearly, the Rapture, which is the catching up of believers to meet the Lord in the air is taught in the Bible. That's the simple sentence you're trying to write a book for. We don't fall for bamboozling, we stand with facts. Your handlers fail to learn that the Lamb will go to Heaven and Earth. He's not limited or restricted to Heaven or to Earth. By implications, those who follow Him follow Him both to Heaven and Earth. Get your brain working and stop reading these junk from the sad hall. 1 Like |
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by johnw47: 9:25am On Jun 03, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: says false teacher lost false jw mad max: 2Pe_2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. MaxInDHouse: matthew 20:22 is not about must die first to join Jesus in his Kingdom matthew 20:22 is about having to go through similar to what Jesus went through, to have the high position of sitting either side of him in His Kingdom: Mat 20:21 .... She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom. Mat 20:22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able. and 1 cor 15:42 is not about about those alive at Jesus return dying before being caught up to the Lord 1 cor 15:42 is about corrupt bodies of the dead being raised incorrupt: 1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption MaxInDHouse: you false jw's sure love to do the twist on God's word the dead shall be raised incorruptable, and those alive shall be changed: 1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. take a look at the verse before that one, "we shall not all sleep/die": 1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; "We shall not all sleep", but we shall all be changed MaxInDHouse: you false jw's are certainly not real bible students, are you 1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. |
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:12am On Jun 03, 2022 |
Image123: Ọmọ humble yourself and learn from JWs! ![]() Jesus did said: And Jesus said unto them, The sons of this world marry, and are given in marriage but they that are accounted worthy to attain to that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage for neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:34-36 Do you think such persons whom Jesus said are "like angels" will ever get married again? ![]() Well they're going straight to heaven and never to return to this planet because they will become like angels with no gender unlike their earthly subjects who will live in the flesh, get married and have children! Isaiah 65:21-23 I'm not disputing the fact that some Christians are going to heaven but know that those going there will never return that's why the Bible said death can't reach them again because they've become immortal! Reve 20:6 So ọmọ stop being stupid humble yourself and learn the truth from JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! ![]()
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Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by oaroloye(m): 2:33pm On Jun 03, 2022 |
MISHIGAS! . MATTHEW 15:1-20. THEN came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, 2. "Why do thy Disciples transgress the Tradition of the Elders? For they wash not their hands when they eat bread." 3. But he Answered and Said unto them, "Why do ye also transgress The Commandment of God by your Tradition? 4. "For God Commanded, Saying, 'HONOUR THY FATHER AND MOTHER: AND, HE THAT CURSETH FATHER OR MOTHER LET HIM DIE THE DEATH.' 5. "But ye say, 'WHOSOEVER SHALL SAY TO HIS FATHER OR MOTHER, "IT IS A GIFT, BY WHATSOEVER THOU MIGHTEST BE PROFITED BY ME;" 6. 'AND HONOUR NOT HIS FATHER OR HIS MOTHER, HE SHALL BE FREE.' Thus have ye made The Commandment of God of none effect by your Tradition. 7. "Ye Hypocrites, well did Esaias Prophesy of you, saying, 8. 'THIS PEOPLE DRAWETH NIGH UNTO ME WITH THEIR MOUTH, AND HONOURETH ME WITH THEIR LIPS; BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR FROM ME. 9. 'BUT IN VAIN THEY DO WORSHIP ME, TEACHING FOR DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.' " 10. And he called the multitude, and Said unto them, "Hear, and understand: 11. "Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man." 12. Then came his Disciples, and Said unto him, "Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this Saying?" 13. But he Answered and Said, "Every plant, which my Heavenly Father hath not Planted, shall be rooted up. 14. "Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch." 15. Then answered Peter and said unto him, "Declare unto us this Parable." 16. And Jesus Said, "Are ye also yet without understanding? 17. "Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught? 18. "But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man. 19. "For out of the heart proceed Evil Thoughts, Murders, Adulteries, Fornications, Thefts, False Witness, Blasphemies: 20. These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man." LESSON (1) JUST BECAUSE YOU WORSHIP THE ONE TRUE GOD, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU WORSHIP HIM THE ONE CORRECT WAY! Whilst each of the types of Churches is saying that they are as good as their friends, and better than their enemies, LORD YESHUA is Saying: "I DON'T KNOW YOU!" MaxInDHouse: WRONG! THE CUP LORD YESHUA DRANK WAS EXPERIENCE! . 2nd SAMUEL 23:14-17. 14. And David was then in an hold, and the garrison of the Philistines was then in Bethlehem. 15. And David longed, and said, "Oh that one would give me drink of the water of the Well of Bethlehem, which is by the gate!" 16. And the three mighty men brake through the Host of the Philistines, and drew water out of the Well of Bethlehem, that was by the gate, and took it, and brought it to David: nevertheless he would not drink thereof, but poured it out unto The LORD. 17. And he said, "Be it far from me, O LORD, that I should do this: is not this the blood of the men that went in jeopardy of their lives?" Therefore he would not drink it. These things did these three mighty men. . JEREMIAH 51:7. 7. Babylon hath been a Golden Cup in The LORD'S Hand, that made all the Earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad. . PSALMS 75:8. 8. For in The Hand of The LORD (there is) a Cup, and the wine is red; it is full of mixture; and he poureth out of the same: but the dregs thereof, all the Wicked of the Earth shall wring (them) out, (and) drink (them). . JEREMIAH 25:27-28. 27. Therefore thou shalt say unto them, "Thus Saith The LORD of Hosts, The God of Israel; 'DRINK YE, AND BE DRUNKEN, AND SPUE, AND FALL, AND RISE NO MORE, BECAUSE OF THE SWORD WHICH I WILL SEND AMONG YOU.' 28. "And it shall be, if they refuse to take the Cup at thine hand to drink, then shalt thou say unto them, 'THUS SAITH THE LORD OF HOSTS; "YE SHALL CERTAINLY DRINK." ' " The Disciples all Drank Lord FROM Yeshua's Cup, but they did not go through the same experience with him: . JOHN 10:1-39. "VERILY, verily, I Say unto you, 'HE THAT ENTERETH NOT BY THE DOOR INTO THE SHEEPFOLD BUT CLIMBETH UP SOME OTHER WAY, THE SAME IS A THIEF AND A ROBBER.' 2. "But he that entereth in by the Door. is the shepherd of the sheep. 3. "To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his Voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out. 4. "And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice. 5. "And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the Voice of Strangers." 6. This Parable Spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he Spake unto them. 7. Then Said Jesus unto them again, "Verily, verily, I Say unto you, 'I AM THE DOOR OF THE SHEEP. 8. "All that ever came before me are Thieves and Robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. 9. "I am The Door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be Saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. 10. "The Thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have Life, and that they might have It more abundantly. 11. "I am The Good Shepherd: The Good Shepherd giveth his life for the sheep. 12. "But he that is an Hireling, and not The Shepherd, whose own The Sheep are not, seeth The Wolf coming, and leaveth The Sheep, and fleeth: and The Wolf catcheth them, and scattereth The Sheep. 13. "The Hireling fleeth, because he is an Hireling, and careth not for The Sheep. 14. "I am the Good Shepherd, and know my Sheep, and am known of mine. 15. "As the Father knoweth me, even so know I The Father: and I lay down my life for The Sheep. 16. "And other Sheep I have, which are not of This Fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my Voice; and there shall be One Fold, and One Shepherd. 17. "Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. 18. "No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have Power to lay it down, and I have Power to take it again. This Commandment have I received of my Father." 19. There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these Sayings. 20. And many of them said, "He hath a Devil, and is Mad; why hear ye him?" 21. Others said, "These are not the Words of him that hath a Devil. Can a Devil open the eyes of the Blind?" 22. And it was at Jerusalem The Feast of The Dedication, and it was winter. 23. And Jesus walked in the Temple in Solomon's Porch. 24. Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, "How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be The Christ, tell us plainly." 25. Jesus Answered them, "I Told you, and ye believed not: the Works that I do in my Father's Name, they bear witness of me. 26. "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you. 27. "My sheep hear my Voice, and I know them, and they follow me: 28. "And I give unto them Eternal Life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29. "My Father, Which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's Hand. 30. "I and my Father are one." 31. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32. Jesus Answered them, "Many Good Works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those Works do ye stone me?" 33. The Jews answered him, saying, "For a Good Work we stone thee not; but for Blasphemy; and because that thou, being a Man, makest thyself God." 34. Jesus Answered them, "Is it not written in thy Law, 'I SAID, "YE ARE GODS?" ' 35. "If He called then gods, unto whom The Word of God came, and The Scripture cannot be broken; 36. "Say ye of him, whom The Father hath Sanctified, and sent into the World, 'THOU BLASPHEMEST;' because I Said, 'I AM THE SON OF GOD?' 37. "If I do not The Works of my Father, believe me not. 38. "But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the Works: that ye may know and believe, that The Father (is) in me, and I in Him." 39. Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand. . JOHN 15:1-16. "I AM The True Vine, and my Father is The Husbandman. 2. "Every branch in me that beareth not Fruit He taketh away: and every branch that beareth Fruit, He purgeth it, that it may bring forth more Fruit. 3. "Now ye are clean through the Word Which I have Spoken unto you. 4. "Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5. "I am the Vine, ye are the Branches: 'HE THAT ABIDETH IN ME AND I IN HIM, THE SAME BRINGETH FORTH MUCH FRUIT:' for without me ye can do Nothing. 6. "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the Fire, and they are burned. 7. "If ye abide in me, and my Words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8. "Herein is my Father Glorified, 'THAT YE BEAR MUCH FRUIT.' so shall ye be my Disciples. 9. "As The Father hath Loved me, so have I Loved you: continue ye in my Love. 10. "If ye keep my Commandments, ye shall abide in my Love; even as I have kept my Father's Commandments, and abide in His Love. 11. "These things have I Spoken unto you, that my Joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. 12. "This is my Commandment, 'THAT YE LOVE ONE ANOTHER, AS I HAVE LOVED YOU.' 13. "Greater love hath no man than this, 'THAT A MAN LAY DOWN HIS LIFE FOR HIS FRIENDS.' 14. "Ye are my Friends, if ye do whatsoever I Command you. 15. "Henceforth I call you not "Servants;" for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you "Friends;" for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. 16. "Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth Fruit, and that your Fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of The Father in my Name, He may give it you." . JOHN 18:11. 11. Then Said Jesus unto Peter, "Put up thy sword into the sheath: the Cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?" THE DISCIPLES DID NOT RISE FROM THE DEAD, BECAUSE THEY DID NOT DRAIN THE WHOLE "CUP." MaxInDHouse: MaxInDHouse IS A SLAVE TO THE AMERICA IMPERIALIST HYPOCRITES CALLED JEHOVAH'S WITLESSES,TM AND CAN ONLY REGURGITATE THE LIES THEY TAUGHT HIM TO USE TO DECEIVE HIS FELLOW AFRICANS. . GENESIS 5:22-24. 22. And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters: 23. And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years: 24. And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him. FOOLS DOUBT THAT PEOPLE COULD LIVE AS LONG AS THE BIBLE SAID- JUST BECAUSE THEY DO NOT LIVE AS LONG TODAY. My paternal grandfather died at 144 years, another ancestor died over 200, another over 300, another, maybe six generations ago, was over 600. The dunces dismiss these stories out-of-hand. Those who are intelligent first ask- politely: "HOW WAS THAT POSSIBLE?" To which I have to honestly reply: "I DON'T KNOW!" My family gave me the Left Foot of Fellowship, when I became a Real Christian. I was never privy to those Family Secrets. Therefore I did not own research. First of all I had to discover the cause of ageing. This is textbook Advanced Biology Knowledge. Every cell of the body is in a state of continuous division, so that every Cell duplicates Itself every seven years. The mechanism that duplicates each cell can only do so seven times, before it starts destroying the cell, every time it works, so that the reproductions get worse and worse. If you want to be Immortal, you have to stop the cell division- which will lead to new problems. Reverse the damage- which is not scientifically possible at this time, or prevent the damage from ever occurring in the first place- which is feasible, at the cutting edge of research, right now. OR, YOU COULD JUST ASK GOD TO FIX IT FOR YOU. The point is that ENOCH went to Heaven without dying. . HEBREWS 11:5. 5. By Faith Enoch was Translated that he should not see Death; and was not found, because God had Translated him: for before his Translation he had this Testimony, "THAT HE PLEASED GOD." I HAVE ENDEAVORED TO TEACH YOU IDIOTS TRANSLATION FOR THE PAST SEVEN YEARS. NAIJASTANDARD71: . MATTHEW 22:1-14. AND Jesus Answered and Spake unto them again by Parables, and Said, 2. "The Kingdom of Heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, 3. "And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come. 4. "Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, 'TELL THEM WHICH ARE BIDDEN, "BEHOLD, I HAVE PREPARED MY DINNER: MY OXEN AND MY FATLINGS ARE KILLED, AND ALL THINGS ARE READY: COME UNTO THE MARRIAGE." ' 5. "But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise: 6. "And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them. 7. "But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. 8. Then saith he to his servants, 'THE WEDDING IS READY, BUT THEY WHICH WERE BIDDEN WERE NOT WORTHY. 9. 'GO YE THEREFORE INTO THE HIGHWAYS, AND AS MANY AS YE SHALL FIND, BID TO THE MARRIAGE.' 10. "So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests. 11. "And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: 12. "And he saith unto him, 'FRIEND, HOW CAMEST THOU IN HITHER NOT HAVING A WEDDING GARMENT?' And he was speechless. 13. "Then said the king to the servants, 'BIND HIM HAND AND FOOT, AND CAST HIM INTO OUTER DARKNESS, THERE SHALL BE WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH. 14. 'FOR MANY ARE CALLED BUT FEW (ARE) CHOSEN.' When God has sent Messengers like me, to invite them to Heaven, Christians have usually treated us with disrespect. |
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by Image123(m): 8:10pm On Jun 03, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Learn what? Have you now learned the clear fact on the teaching of believers being caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air? No need jumping up and down like a toad without learning anything. Sit and learn, one step at a time. We are talking rapture, you'd rather talk about a million things and know nothing at the end of the day. i am not mesmerized by such folly and indiscipline. No one talked about marriage except you. Getting married or not getting married has nothing to do with going to Heaven or Earth. Jesus Christ and many Eunuchs did not marry any woman on Earth, and should He return, i don't think He has to marry to be granted entrance to Earth. Stop making things up or copying and pasting junk as usual. Again what has coming to Earth have to do with the power of death? Stop making up stupidity by the hour, the Bible does not teach that people will not come to Earth again to escape death. 2 Likes |
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by oaroloye(m): 8:39pm On Jun 03, 2022 |
Those who have saved up their Energy will be able to answer Lord Yeshua's Call and give to Heaven- as many as three times a year. . 2nd KINGS 2:7-18. 7. And fifty men of the Sons of the Prophets went, and stood to view afar off: and they two stood by Jordan. 8. And Elijah took his mantle, and wrapped it together, and smote the waters, and they were divided hither and thither, so that they two went over on dry ground. 9. And it came to pass, when they were gone over, that Elijah said unto Elisha, "Ask what I shall do for thee, before I be taken away from thee." And Elisha said, "I pray thee, let a double portion of thy spirit be upon me." 10. And he said, "Thou hast asked a hard thing: nevertheless, if thou see me when I am taken from thee, it shall be so unto thee; but if not, it shall not be so." 11. And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a Chariot of Fire, and Horses of Fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a Whirlwind into Heaven. 12. And Elisha saw it, and he cried, "My father, my father, the Chariot of Israel, and the Horsemen thereof." And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces. 13. He took up also the Mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and went back, and stood by the bank of Jordan; 14. And he took the Mantle of Elijah that fell from him, and smote the waters, and said, "Where is The LORD God of Elijah?" And when he also had smitten the waters, they parted hither and thither: and Elisha went over. 15. And when the Sons of the Prophets which were to view at Jericho saw him, they said, "The spirit of Elijah doth rest on Elisha." And they came to meet him, and bowed themselves to the ground before him. 16. And they said unto him, "Behold now, there be with thy servants fifty strong men; let them go, we pray thee, and seek thy master: lest peradventure The Spirit of the LORD hath taken him up, and cast him upon some mountain, or into some valley." And he said, "Ye shall not send." 17. And when they urged him till he was ashamed, he said, "Send." They sent therefore fifty men; and they sought three days, but found him not. 18. And when they came again to him, [for he tarried at Jericho,] he said unto them, "Did I not say unto you, 'GO NOT?' " Eliyah went up to Heaven without dying- TRANSLATION- whereas ELISHA gazed into THE THIRD ATTENTION, and immediately attained EVERLASTING LIFE. . LUKE 5:36-39. 36. And he Spake also a Parable unto them; "No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old. 37. "And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish. 38. "But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved. 39. "No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, 'THE OLD IS BETTER.' " Elisha died because he was not a WORTHY RECIPIENT of EVERLASTING LIFE: he continued trying to live like an OLD TESTAMENT PROPHET. . DEUTERONOMY 25:11-19. 11. When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: 12. Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her. 13. Thou shalt not have in thy bag divers weights, a great and a small. 14. Thou shalt not have in thine house divers measures, a great and a small. 15. But thou shalt have a perfect and just weight, a perfect and just measure shalt thou have: that thy days may be lengthened in the Land which The LORD thy God giveth thee. 16. For all that do such things, and all that do unrighteously, are an abomination unto the LORD thy God. 17. Remember what Amalek did unto thee by the way, when ye were come forth out of Egypt; 18. How he met thee by the way, and smote the hindmost of thee, even all that were feeble behind thee, when thou wast faint and weary; and he feared not God. 19. Therefore it shall be, when the LORD thy God hath given thee rest from all thine enemies round about, in the Land which The LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance to possess it, that thou shalt blot out the Remembrance of Amalek from under Heaven; thou shalt not forget it. ELISHA DID NOTHING WRONG IN CURSING THE BRATS OF BETHEL- HE JUST DID NOT CONSIDER THE CONSEQUENCES OF EXECUTING THE LAW. . LEVITICUS 19:32-37. 32. Thou shalt rise up before the hoary head, and honour the face of the old man, and fear thy God: I (am) The LORD. 33. "And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him. 34. " (But) the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I (am) The LORD your God. 35. "Ye shall do no unrighteousness in Judgment, in meteyard, in weight, or in measure. 36. "Just balances, just weights, a just ephah, and a just hin, shall ye have: I (am) The LORD your God, Which brought you out of the land of Egypt. 37.Therefore shall ye observe all My Statutes, and all My Judgments, and do them: I am The LORD." . LEVITICUS 26:21-24. 21. "And if ye walk contrary unto Me, and will not hearken unto Me; I will bring seven times more Plagues upon you according to your Sins. 22. "I will also send Wild Beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate. 23. "And if ye will not be reformed by Me by these things, but will walk contrary unto Me; 24. "Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your Sins." THIS WAS THE LAMENT OF ELISHA'S MASTER: ELIJAH- . 1st KINGS 19:10. 10. And he said, "I have been very jealous for The LORD God of Hosts: for the Children of Israel have forsaken Thy Covenant, thrown down Thine Altars, and slain thy Prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away." ELIYAH AND THE OTHER PROPHETS OF HIS GENERATION WERE THE WATCHMEN OF Y'SRAEL: THEY ALL NEGLECTED THEIR DUTY WHEN AHAB AND HIS THUGS WERE GROWING UP. ELISHA DID HIS DUTY- by ending the generation of fearlessly disrespectful children, before they could become soldiers against the worshippers of God- but he could have still tried Mercy, and corrected them with reason. Since he showed no Mercy, he received none himself. MaxInDHouse: PAUL LIED ABOUT EVERYTHING: ALL OF HIS TEACHINGS ARE PHARISEE PRINCIPLES LORD YESHUA CONDEMNED. MaxInDHouse: SINCE PAUL'S RAPTURE DOCTRINE IS A LIE, YOUR THEORY IS WRONG! There is a GateWay to Heaven that opens twice a day. . GENESIS 32:24-26. 24. And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the Breaking of the Day. 25. And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacob's thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him. 26. And he said, "Let me go, for the day breaketh." And he said, "I will not let thee go, except thou Bless me." THE NATIVE AMERICANS LEARNED HOW TO USE THESE GATES, SINCE 3,000 YEARS AGO. When they forthrightly shared this Knowledge with the Oyinbos, they murdered them, and seized their lands. [See: THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda (1985).] IF YOU ATTAIN EVERLASTING LIFE HOLINESS, YOU CAN SEE HEAVEN, AND GO TO HEAVEN, EVERY DAY Therefore, the Resurrected Saints simply went through those Gates, and need not have spent more than a day on Earth. Of course, the dunces can only think that they must have died- since God is so stingy with his Power toward them. DID YOU KNOW THAT THE JEHOVAH'S WITLESSES™ PUBLISHED THEIR DOCTRINE THAT ENOCH AND ELIYAH NEVER WENT TO HEAVEN, BUT THEIR BODIES WERE IN SPACE, SOMEWHERE? They do not understand how God can do certain things, and thus reason that that He cannot do them. MaxInDHouse: . MATTHEW 15:1-14. THEN came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, 2. "Why do thy Disciples transgress the Tradition of the Elders? For they wash not their hands when they eat bread." 3. But he Answered and Said unto them, "Why do ye also transgress The Commandment of God by your Tradition? 4. "For God Commanded, Saying, 'HONOUR THY FATHER AND MOTHER: AND, HE THAT CURSETH FATHER OR MOTHER LET HIM DIE THE DEATH.' 5. "But ye say, 'WHOSOEVER SHALL SAY TO HIS FATHER OR MOTHER, "IT IS A GIFT, BY WHATSOEVER THOU MIGHTEST BE PROFITED BY ME;" 6. 'AND HONOUR NOT HIS FATHER OR HIS MOTHER, HE SHALL BE FREE.' Thus have ye made The Commandment of God of none effect by your Tradition. 7. "Ye Hypocrites, well did Esaias Prophesy of you, saying, 8. 'THIS PEOPLE DRAWETH NIGH UNTO ME WITH THEIR MOUTH, AND HONOURETH ME WITH THEIR LIPS; BUT THEIR HEART IS FAR FROM ME. 9. 'BUT IN VAIN THEY DO WORSHIP ME, TEACHING FOR DOCTRINES THE COMMANDMENTS OF MEN.' " 10. And he called the multitude, and Said unto them, "Hear, and understand: 11. "Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man." 12. Then came his Disciples, and Said unto him, "Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this Saying?" 13. But he Answered and Said, "Every plant, which my Heavenly Father hath not Planted, shall be rooted up. 14. "Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch." THE JEHOVAH'S WITLESSES™ ARE THE DESCENDANTS OF WICKED MEN AND WOMEN, WHO INVADED A COUNTRY THAT WAS NOT THEIRS, MURDERING MANY OF ITS THEN INHABITANTS- THIS LED THEM TO DEVELOP THEOLOGIES THAT DENIED THE CONCEPT OF REPERCUSSIONS FOR WHAT THEIR FOREFATHERS DID, INCLUDING THE ABERRATION OF THEIR JUDGMENT. . JOHN 6:43-45. 43. Jesus therefore Answered and Said unto them, “Murmur not among yourselves. 44. "No man can come to me unless The Father Who hath sent me draw him; and I will Raise him up at The Last Day. 45. "It is written in The Prophets: ‘AND THEY SHALL BE ALL TAUGHT BY GOD.’ Every man therefore that hath heard and hath learned From The Father cometh unto me." IT IS VERY, VERY BAD FOR YOU, WHEN PEOPLE HAVE TO TEACH YOU THINGS: GOD IS SUPPOSED TO BE WITH YOU, AND IN YOU, TO TEACH YOU EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW ABOUT OBJECTS AND ENTITIES. The only legitimate Teaching, therefore, is WHAT ONE NEEDS TO KNOW TO RECEIVE GOD TO THAT EXTENT. Anyone teaching you to follow them for answers, is a DECEIVER! Image123: FIVE HUNDRED YEARS AGO, THE OYINBOS UP AND SLAUGHTERED EVERYONE THEY COULD, WHO KNEW ABOUT HOW TO MOVE ACROSS WORLDS AND BETWEEN UNIVERSES. Today, they say that they can find no proof that The Bible is true, and can find no evidence that God Exists. Now, they are offering $1 million, for anyone who can show them proof that Spiritual Powers and Spirit Beings exist. We have one stupid lad going around offering The idiot surely wanted to sell the video for Whereas, an accredited Scientist already provided the Oyinbos with the secret of such Powers- as well as their purpose. [See: THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda (1985).] WHY WOULD GOD GIVE HUMANS THE ABILITY TO TRANSFORM THEMSELVES INTO ANIMALS? NO ONE ELSE HERE CAN ANSWER THAT. oaroloye: THERE ARE EIGHT LEVELS OF EXISTENCE- ONE EARTHLY, AND SEVEN HEAVENLY. . 2nd PETER 1:5-9. 5. And besides this, giving all diligence, add to your Faith Virtue, and to Virtue Knowledge, 6. And to Knowledge Temperance, and to Temperance Patience, and to Patience Godliness, 7. And to Godliness Brotherly Kindness, and to Brotherly Kindness Charity. 8. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in The Knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old Sins. THAT IS WHY THERE ARE SEVEN CHURCHES IN HEAVEN. Those who attain and maintain HOLINESS sequentially manifest these ten Powers: . THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER. (Matt. 25) (1) TOTAL RECALL. (2) EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION. (3) TELEKINESIS. (4) TELEPORTATION. (5) TRANSLATION. (6-10) EVERLASTING LIFE. . MATTHEW 12:43-45. 43. "When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none. 44. "Then he saith, 'I WILL RETURN INTO MY HOUSE FROM WHENCE I CAME OUT;' and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished. 45. "Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first. Even so shall it be also unto this Wicked Generation." THOSE WHO ATTAIN HOLINESS, BUT DYTILL FALL INTO SIN, ARE INVARIABLY POSSESSED BY DEVILS. These can allow them to retain high Spiritual Powers, while feeding off of them. That is basically how Witches are made. [/quote] IT TAKES MORE SPIRITUAL ENERGY TO DWELL AND OPERATE IN HEAVEN THAN ON EARTH: THERE ARE SEVEN HEAVENS, AND NO MAN CAN CARRY ENOUGH ENERGY TO RETAIN HUMAN FORM, BEYOND THE THIRD HEAVEN. The Seat of Consciousness is positioned like a VERTICAL GEAR SHIFT: if it is moved upwards, one becomes more and more GODLIKE- which is Energy-consuming. But if it is moved downwards, one becomes more BESTIAL- if moved far enough down, one becomes a PLANT. One's PHYSICAL BODY literally transforms into a LOWER LIFEFORM. THIS SAVES SPIRITUAL ENERGY. So that, by the time the holiest of men Translates to THE SEVENTH HEAVEN, they should be a SHEEP. THIS EXPLAINS THE CLAIM THAT "NO MAN HAS EVER" ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN BEFORE- DESPITE OLD TESTAMENT ACCOUNTS. |
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:52pm On Jun 03, 2022 |
Image123: That's how it should be! ![]() So continue ranting but don't quote our book (Bible) because you weren't taught anything that goes in line with the truth found in God's word! ![]() |
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by Image123(m): 9:59pm On Jun 03, 2022 |
MaxInDHouse: Instead of the proud hypocrite to repent and treat his wounds, he is licking them and calling them vitamins. You were aptly described by Paul as a vain talker whose mouth should be stopped like was done on this Rapture topic. Hoping that you are able to come to the knowledge of this truth and not just ever learning. Be prepared for the kingdom of God, not for silly talk from your magazines. 2 Likes |
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by johnw47: 1:18am On Jun 04, 2022 |
christians read the bible for what it say's false jw's read it for what they can make it say Mat 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. it is vain to worship God while teaching lies |
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