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Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 10:03am On Jun 19, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


Mr Churchgoer, there is only one Archangel in the Bible and his name is Michael.
He couldn't do a single thing on his own he always rely on orders from his father! John 5:30; 8:28



No loyal angel can discipline another without orders from the Almighty God who is LORD over all of them, that's why Archangel Michael (Jesus) couldn't deal with Satan then but on planet earth his ministry is on the line so he told Satan "get away from me" he never did anything harmful because God never gave him that authority. That's why the scriptures said Satan left him perhaps for another convenient time! Luke 4:13 compare to Matthew 16:23

The spirit that used Peter as a subtle mean of distraction for Jesus is Satan the devil that's why Jesus who is 100% full of God's Holy Spirit can easily detect Satanic advice! smiley



So Angel Michael is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, as written from the scriptures I showed you??
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:52am On Jun 19, 2022
Jokerman:

So Angel Michael is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, as written from the scriptures I showed you??

In the Bible book of Revelation there are several talking so if care is not taking you will mix the utterances!

Alpha and Omega is Jehovah God Himself and Jesus can say he knew the beginning of evil and the end of badness.
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 2:27pm On Jun 19, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


In the Bible book of Revelation there are several talking so if care is not taking you will mix the utterances!

Alpha and Omega is Jehovah God Himself and Jesus can say he knew the beginning of evil and the end of badness.

Oga, hear Jesus Christ Himself speaking to John....

Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.



Can Archangel Michael make these claims??

All angels (Archs, cherubs and seraphs etc) and all things are under the lordship of our saviour and Master Jesus Christ.

Archangel Michael is a separate entity from the Lord

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Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:00pm On Jun 19, 2022
Jokerman:


Oga, hear Jesus Christ Himself speaking to John....

Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.



Can Archangel Michael make these claims??

All angels (Archs, cherubs and seraphs etc) and all things are under the lordship of our saviour and Master Jesus Christ.

Archangel Michael is a separate entity from the Lord

All authority has been given to this Angelic Son of God so when he speaks now it's unlike before he was given that AUTHORITY by the most high God! Matthew 28:18
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 6:20pm On Jun 19, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


All authority has been given to this Angelic Son of God so when he speaks now it's unlike before he was given that AUTHORITY by the most high God! Matthew 28:18

Read what you wrote.

You better repent over your claims of calling the Lord Jesus an angel. OK.

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Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:19pm On Jun 19, 2022
Jokerman:

Read what you wrote.
You better repent over your claims of calling the Lord Jesus an angel. OK.

Guy Jesus was formerly an angel in heaven before coming to the earth if you disagree no wahala go and preach what you know to whoever is willing to learn from you! wink
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Westerhoffe(m): 9:09pm On Jun 01, 2023
MaxInDHouse:


Guy Jesus was formerly an angel in heaven before coming to the earth if you disagree no wahala go and preach what you know to whoever is willing to learn from you! wink

Where is it written that JESUS CHRIST was formerly an Angel in Heaven before He came to the world? undecided
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:45pm On Jun 01, 2023
Westerhoffe:

Where is it written that JESUS CHRIST was formerly an Angel in Heaven before He came to the world? undecided

The Bible called Jesus "God's Son" and there are many spirit beings in heaven who are also called God's Sons {Job 1:6; 38:7} the word angel means messenger and Jesus himself said he was sent to the earth {Matthew 25:24} all servants of God including Jesus himself said there's just one God {Mark 12:29} Jesus also said the only true God is another person on His own! John 17:3

So what else do you need to know that Jesus must be one of those spirit sons of God in heaven called angels? smiley
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Westerhoffe(m): 9:49pm On Jun 01, 2023
MaxInDHouse:


The Bible called Jesus "God's Son" and there are many spirit beings in heaven who are also called God's Sons {Job 1:6; 38:7} the word angel means messenger and Jesus himself said he was sent to the earth {Matthew 25:24} all servants of God including Jesus himself said there's just one God {Mark 12:29} Jesus also said the only true God is another person on His own! John 17:3

So what else do you need to know that Jesus must be one of those spirit sons of God in heaven called angels? smiley


The Bible called JESUS CHRIST Only Begotten Son of GOD.
Please note.

JESUS CHRIST compared Himself to GOD.
And Angel would not do that.

Why then was JESUS CHRIST the one fulfilling all the prophecies written about GOD? undecided
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:59pm On Jun 01, 2023
Westerhoffe:

The Bible called JESUS CHRIST Only Begotten Son of GOD.
Please note.

JESUS CHRIST compared Himself to GOD.
And Angel would not do that.

Why then was JESUS CHRIST the one fulfilling all the prophecies written about GOD? undecided

The title only begotten means the one and only creature made by God alone before the creation of all others the Bible book of Colossians 1:15 called Jesus the first born of all creations we all know that the first born is also part of those been born nah! undecided

Jesus did that because he came to represent God just as Moses did in Egypt {Exodus 7:1} and God promised that another prophet like Moses will be raised in Israel {Deuteronomy 18:18} Peter confirmed that Jesus is that prophet who came in the manner of Moses {Act 3:22} a prophet and a God!

Jesus can't fulfil all the prophecies written about God that's why he often say somethings are beyond his reach so his disciples must rely on God to do that! Matthew 24:36
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MightySparrow: 11:12pm On Jun 01, 2023
MaxInDHouse:

Don't worry about JWs just go out there and prove by the activities of your religion that you know Jesus better than the JWs! James 2:18;26 smiley

See escapist strategy.

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Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Westerhoffe(m): 1:07am On Jun 02, 2023
MaxInDHouse:


The title only begotten means the one and only creature made by God alone before the creation of all others the Bible book of Colossians 1:15 called Jesus the first born of all creations we all know that the first born is also part of those been born nah! undecided

Jesus did that because he came to represent God just as Moses did in Egypt {Exodus 7:1} and God promised that another prophet like Moses will be raised in Israel {Deuteronomy 18:18} Peter confirmed that Jesus is that prophet who came in the manner of Moses {Act 3:22} a prophet and a God!

Jesus can't fulfil all the prophecies written about God that's why he often say somethings are beyond his reach so his disciples must rely on God to do that! Matthew 24:36

You know, I really didn't want to argue this, but you saying JESUS CHRIST can't fulfill all the prophecies written concerning/about GOD will make me reply you.

Counter these:

EVIDENCES FROM THE BIBLE THAT JESUS CHRIST THE SON AND WORD OF GOD IS GOD.

John 3 (KJV)
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⁶ That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.


¹¹ Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

“Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.”
— John 8:19 (KJV)

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
— John 6:63 (KJV)

Just as a human will always be a human;
And just as a spirit will always be a spirit;
So will the sons of humans be human.
And the Son of GOD be GOD.
For just as a prince in the palace of a king is a future King, so JESUS CHRIST the Prince of Peace is the Mighty GOD.

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”
— Isaiah 9:6 (KJV)

JESUS CHRIST possesses all the characteristics of GOD, which are undeniable by these facts, which were recorded in the Holy Bible, the Book of Truth. And to this end has JESUS CHRIST spoken, that:

John 5 (KJV)
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³⁸ And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
³⁹ Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
⁴⁰ And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

And also, He said:

Luke 24 (KJV)
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⁴⁴ And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
⁴⁵ Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
⁴⁶ And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
⁴⁷ And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
⁴⁸ And ye are witnesses of these things.
⁴⁹ And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

Now, since He knew the multitudes of people following Him only followed Him, for the great works, miracles, signs and wonders, but do not know exactly who He is, He asked them a question, and this is what happened:

Matthew 16 (KJV)
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¹³ When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
¹⁴ And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
¹⁵ He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
¹⁶ And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
¹⁷ And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
¹⁸ And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
¹⁹ And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
²⁰ Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
Now, give your heart to know Wisdom, that His Truth may be revealed unto you this day:

Question: Who is He that is from above?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST said He is from above and not of this world.
John 3:13, John 3:31, John 8:23, John 17:14

Question: Who has the power to save one from sins?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST say if you don't believe 'He' is the 'One' you will die in your sins.
Isaiah 45:22, Matthew 1:21-23, John 8:23-24, Luke 1:30-32,

Question: Who has the power to forgive sins?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST declares He has the power to forgive sins, and He exercised it even on earth before the people more than once.
Isaiah 43:25, Luke 5:17-24, Luke 7:36-50, Mark 2:1-11, Matthew 9:1-8.

Question: Who has and owns angels and also have the power and authority to send angels on errand?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST said, I JESUS sent my angel to testify unto you these things.
Exodus 32:34, Revelation 22:16, Matthew 13:41, Matthew 24:29-31, Acts 10:22, Acts 11:13

Question: Who do angels report to?
Answer: GOD.
And Angels came to minister unto JESUS CHRIST after the temptation of the devil.
Daniel 7:10, Matthew 4:11.

Question: Who is He that cannot sin?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST said, who can impute sin unto Him?
Numbers 23:19, Isaiah 55:9, Jeremiah 2:5, John 8:46,

Question: Who sent prophets unto people?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST said they killed the prophets He sent to them.
Matthew 23:37, Matthew 5:12.

Question: Who has the power to gather people together as one?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST say how long will I gather you together?
Isaiah 41:4, Matthew 23:37.

Question: Who has the power to give life, raise the dead back to life?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST say I will give you life. And during His time, He raise up several dead to mention but a few.
Deuteronomy 32:39, I Samuel 2:6, Matthew 9:18-25, John 4:14, John 5:21,24, John 6:27, John 11:11-44, Luke 7:11-15.

Question: Who has such power to heal?
Answer: GOD.
Bible said, GOD sent His Word and His Word heals them. JESUS CHRIST healed them all.
Psalm 107:20, Matthew 4:23-25.

Question: Who has the power to give eternal life?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST said He will give eternal life to whoever believes on Him.
John 10:28, John 17:2-3, I John 5:11, I John 5:20, John 3:15-16, Romans 2:7, Romans 5:21, Romans 6:23, Jude 1:21, John 3:36,

Question: Who has the power to give spiritual gifts to living immortal souls?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST said He will give the following:
Revelation 2:7, Revelation 2:17, Revelation 2:26-28, Revelation 3:5, Revelation 3:12, Revelation 3:21,

Question: Who has the power of resurrection?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST said He is the resurrection and He also resurrected.
Daniel 12:2, John 5:28-29, John 11:25, John 6:39.

Question: Who has the power to raise the dead on the day of resurrection?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST said the dead shall hear His voice and some shall be raised to life and others to damnation.
Daniel 12:1-3, John 5:28-29, John 6:39,

Question: Who has the power to judge on the day of judgment?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST declared He has the power to execute judgment and will do it.
Genesis 18:25, Job 21:22, Psalms 7:8, Psalms 9:7-8, Psalms 50:6, Psalms 75:7, Matthew 25:31-42, John 5:19, John 8:16, John 5:22, John 5:26-27, Act 10:42, John 9:39, John 5:28-30, II Timothy 4:1, Hebrews 12:23, Revelation 20:11-15.

Question: Who has power to declare the end from the beginning?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST was able to explain the future of this world since His own time.
Isaiah 46:9-10, Isaiah 45:21, Matthew 24:3-51, Revelation 4:1-11

Question: Who is He that feeds all flesh?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST able to defy the law of diminish in feeding thousands with few fishes and bread.
Psalm 136:25, Matthew 14:13-21, Matthew 15:32-38.

Question: Who has it been written about that he rides from heaven to heaven?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST able to ascend back to heaven without wings or planes.
Psalm 68:4, Psalm 68:33, Acts 1:9-10.

Question: Who was it written about that He rides upon the waves?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST walked upon the sea.
Job 9:8, Psalm 93:4, Matthew 14:25-27.

Question: Who is able to search the heart of men and try their reins?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST said the whole church will know that He is He that searches the heart and tries the reins.
Jeremiah 17:10, Revelation 2:23

Question: Who is He that shall reward every man according to their works?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST said He is coming with His reward to reward every man according to their works.
Ecclesiastes 12:14, Revelation 22:11-12.

Question: Who is the Almighty?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST said He is the Almighty.
Genesis 17:1, Genesis 35:11, Exodus 6:3, Ezekiel 1:24, Revelation 1:8, Revelation 4:8.

Question: Who is the first and last?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST said He is the first and last.
Isaiah 41:4, Isaiah 44:6, Isaiah 45:21, Revelation 1:11, Revelation 1:17, Revelation 22:13

Question: Who is the beginning and the ending?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST saith He is the beginning and the ending.
Revelation 1:8, Revelation 21:6, Revelation 22:13.

Question: Who Himself is the Saviour?
Answer: GOD.
Angels of GOD who do not lie called JESUS CHRIST the Saviour born.
Isaiah 45:21, Isaiah 43:3, Isaiah 43:11, Isaiah 45:15, Luke 1:47, Luke 2:11,
John 4:42, Acts 5:31, Acts 13:23, I Timothy 2:3, I Timothy 4:10, Titus 1:4, II Peter 3:18.

Question: Who is Wisdom?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST said He is the Wisdom that has been from the beginning with GOD and justified by His children.
Proverbs 8, Matthew 11:19

Question: Who is the King of kings and the LORD of lords?
Answer: GOD.
Psalms 47:2, Psalms 95:3, Malachi 1:14, I Timothy 6:14-15, Revelation 17:14, Revelation 19:16

Question: Who is the Word of GOD by which GOD created all things?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST was the only One written of as the Word of GOD.
Psalm 107:20, Isaiah 55:11, John 1:1-14, Revelation 19:13.

Question: Who is the Creator of all things?
Answer: GOD
JESUS CHRIST was the same Word by which all things were made.
Genesis 1, Proverbs 8, John 1:1-3,10, Colossians 1:15-16,

Question: Who is the Light of the world?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST said He is the Light of the world.
John 8:12, John 1:4, John 12:46

Question: Who is this that demons fear and tremble before Him?
Answer: GOD.
Demons fear and tremble before JESUS CHRIST.
Mark 1:24, James 2:19

Question: Who did GOD give to the world to serve and worship?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST said of any man serve Him, such man should follow Him.
Daniel 7:9,13-14, John 5:23, John 12:26

Question: Who is He that rules over the raging sea and calms the storm?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST calmed the storm.
Psalms 65:7, Psalms 89:9, Mark 4:39.

Question: In whose name are we to pray?
Answer: GOD'S name.
JESUS CHRIST taught that prayers and requests be made in His name.
Matthew 21:22, John 14:13-14, Matthew 7:7, John 15:7, John 15:16.

Question: Who owns all powers?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST said all powers belongs to Him.
Mathew 28:18, Luke 10:22, John 3:35, Ephesians 1:20-22,

Question: Who can have glory with GOD the FATHER from the beginning before the world was created?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST said He has glory with the FATHER from the beginning before the world was created.
John 17:1,4-6

Question: Who is He that it is written concerning that you should not tempt?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST commanded and reminded Satan that it is written that he must not tempt the LORD his GOD.
Deuteronomy 6:16, Matthew 4:7

Question: Who is it written that Him only you shall worship?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST told Satan that Satan ought to worship the LORD his GOD alone.
Exodus 20:3,5, Exodus 34:14, Matthew 4:10.

By the HOLY SPIRIT, it was revealed that JESUS CHRIST was called 'GOD' by the FATHER:
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Daniel 7:9,13-14, Hebrews:1:8, John 14:9

JESUS CHRIST accepted worship of those who bowed down to worship Him without refraining nor stopping them because of who He is:
John 13 (KJV)
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¹³ Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.


²⁰ Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

“Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.”
— Matthew 4:10 (KJV)

Now, who could David had called LORD in the Spirit? When the LORD said to the LORD which David called LORD in the Spirit that this LORD that David called LORD in the Spirit should 'sit' on His right hand till He makes His enemies His footstool?
They called JESUS CHRIST the son of David; yet David saw Him in the Spirit and called Him, "My LORD."
(The revealing of JESUS CHRIST to David before He [JESUS CHRIST] came to the world)
Psalm 110:1, Matthew 22:42-46

And JESUS CHRIST said:

John 5 (KJV)
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³⁷ And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
³⁸ And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
³⁹ Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
⁴⁰ And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
⁴¹ I receive not honour from men.
⁴² But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
⁴³ I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
⁴⁴ How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
⁴⁵ Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
⁴⁶ For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
⁴⁷ But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Philippians 2 (KJV)
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⁵ Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
⁶ Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
⁷ But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
⁸ And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
⁹ Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
¹⁰ That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
¹¹ And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

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Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:21am On Jun 02, 2023
Ọmọ you're really funny o! cheesy
So you expect me to start reading all these shey?
Well you tried but if you're ready to continue with the discussion summarize this lengthy epistle i'm not interested in such long stories.
Pick your point and go straight to what your have in mind to say! smiley

Westerhoffe:


You know, I really didn't want to argue this, but you saying JESUS CHRIST can't fulfill all the prophecies written concerning/about GOD will make me reply you.

Counter these:

EVIDENCES FROM THE BIBLE THAT JESUS CHRIST THE SON AND WORD OF GOD IS GOD.

John 3 (KJV)
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⁶ That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.


¹¹ Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.

“Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also.”
— John 8:19 (KJV)

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
— John 6:63 (KJV)

Just as a human will always be a human;
And just as a spirit will always be a spirit;
So will the sons of humans be human.
And the Son of GOD be GOD.
For just as a prince in the palace of a king is a future King, so JESUS CHRIST the Prince of Peace is the Mighty GOD.

“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.”
— Isaiah 9:6 (KJV)

JESUS CHRIST possesses all the characteristics of GOD, which are undeniable by these facts, which were recorded in the Holy Bible, the Book of Truth. And to this end has JESUS CHRIST spoken, that:

John 5 (KJV)
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³⁸ And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
³⁹ Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
⁴⁰ And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

And also, He said:

Luke 24 (KJV)
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⁴⁴ And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
⁴⁵ Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
⁴⁶ And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
⁴⁷ And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
⁴⁸ And ye are witnesses of these things.
⁴⁹ And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

Now, since He knew the multitudes of people following Him only followed Him, for the great works, miracles, signs and wonders, but do not know exactly who He is, He asked them a question, and this is what happened:

Matthew 16 (KJV)
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¹³ When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
¹⁴ And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.
¹⁵ He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
¹⁶ And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
¹⁷ And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
¹⁸ And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
¹⁹ And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
²⁰ Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.
Now, give your heart to know Wisdom, that His Truth may be revealed unto you this day:

Question: Who is He that is from above?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST said He is from above and not of this world.
John 3:13, John 3:31, John 8:23, John 17:14

Question: Who has the power to save one from sins?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST say if you don't believe 'He' is the 'One' you will die in your sins.
Isaiah 45:22, Matthew 1:21-23, John 8:23-24, Luke 1:30-32,

Question: Who has the power to forgive sins?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST declares He has the power to forgive sins, and He exercised it even on earth before the people more than once.
Isaiah 43:25, Luke 5:17-24, Luke 7:36-50, Mark 2:1-11, Matthew 9:1-8.

Question: Who has and owns angels and also have the power and authority to send angels on errand?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST said, I JESUS sent my angel to testify unto you these things.
Exodus 32:34, Revelation 22:16, Matthew 13:41, Matthew 24:29-31, Acts 10:22, Acts 11:13

Question: Who do angels report to?
Answer: GOD.
And Angels came to minister unto JESUS CHRIST after the temptation of the devil.
Daniel 7:10, Matthew 4:11.

Question: Who is He that cannot sin?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST said, who can impute sin unto Him?
Numbers 23:19, Isaiah 55:9, Jeremiah 2:5, John 8:46,

Question: Who sent prophets unto people?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST said they killed the prophets He sent to them.
Matthew 23:37, Matthew 5:12.

Question: Who has the power to gather people together as one?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST say how long will I gather you together?
Isaiah 41:4, Matthew 23:37.

Question: Who has the power to give life, raise the dead back to life?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST say I will give you life. And during His time, He raise up several dead to mention but a few.
Deuteronomy 32:39, I Samuel 2:6, Matthew 9:18-25, John 4:14, John 5:21,24, John 6:27, John 11:11-44, Luke 7:11-15.

Question: Who has such power to heal?
Answer: GOD.
Bible said, GOD sent His Word and His Word heals them. JESUS CHRIST healed them all.
Psalm 107:20, Matthew 4:23-25.

Question: Who has the power to give eternal life?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST said He will give eternal life to whoever believes on Him.
John 10:28, John 17:2-3, I John 5:11, I John 5:20, John 3:15-16, Romans 2:7, Romans 5:21, Romans 6:23, Jude 1:21, John 3:36,

Question: Who has the power to give spiritual gifts to living immortal souls?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST said He will give the following:
Revelation 2:7, Revelation 2:17, Revelation 2:26-28, Revelation 3:5, Revelation 3:12, Revelation 3:21,

Question: Who has the power of resurrection?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST said He is the resurrection and He also resurrected.
Daniel 12:2, John 5:28-29, John 11:25, John 6:39.

Question: Who has the power to raise the dead on the day of resurrection?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST said the dead shall hear His voice and some shall be raised to life and others to damnation.
Daniel 12:1-3, John 5:28-29, John 6:39,

Question: Who has the power to judge on the day of judgment?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST declared He has the power to execute judgment and will do it.
Genesis 18:25, Job 21:22, Psalms 7:8, Psalms 9:7-8, Psalms 50:6, Psalms 75:7, Matthew 25:31-42, John 5:19, John 8:16, John 5:22, John 5:26-27, Act 10:42, John 9:39, John 5:28-30, II Timothy 4:1, Hebrews 12:23, Revelation 20:11-15.

Question: Who has power to declare the end from the beginning?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST was able to explain the future of this world since His own time.
Isaiah 46:9-10, Isaiah 45:21, Matthew 24:3-51, Revelation 4:1-11

Question: Who is He that feeds all flesh?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST able to defy the law of diminish in feeding thousands with few fishes and bread.
Psalm 136:25, Matthew 14:13-21, Matthew 15:32-38.

Question: Who has it been written about that he rides from heaven to heaven?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST able to ascend back to heaven without wings or planes.
Psalm 68:4, Psalm 68:33, Acts 1:9-10.

Question: Who was it written about that He rides upon the waves?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST walked upon the sea.
Job 9:8, Psalm 93:4, Matthew 14:25-27.

Question: Who is able to search the heart of men and try their reins?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST said the whole church will know that He is He that searches the heart and tries the reins.
Jeremiah 17:10, Revelation 2:23

Question: Who is He that shall reward every man according to their works?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST said He is coming with His reward to reward every man according to their works.
Ecclesiastes 12:14, Revelation 22:11-12.

Question: Who is the Almighty?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST said He is the Almighty.
Genesis 17:1, Genesis 35:11, Exodus 6:3, Ezekiel 1:24, Revelation 1:8, Revelation 4:8.

Question: Who is the first and last?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST said He is the first and last.
Isaiah 41:4, Isaiah 44:6, Isaiah 45:21, Revelation 1:11, Revelation 1:17, Revelation 22:13

Question: Who is the beginning and the ending?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST saith He is the beginning and the ending.
Revelation 1:8, Revelation 21:6, Revelation 22:13.

Question: Who Himself is the Saviour?
Answer: GOD.
Angels of GOD who do not lie called JESUS CHRIST the Saviour born.
Isaiah 45:21, Isaiah 43:3, Isaiah 43:11, Isaiah 45:15, Luke 1:47, Luke 2:11,
John 4:42, Acts 5:31, Acts 13:23, I Timothy 2:3, I Timothy 4:10, Titus 1:4, II Peter 3:18.

Question: Who is Wisdom?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST said He is the Wisdom that has been from the beginning with GOD and justified by His children.
Proverbs 8, Matthew 11:19

Question: Who is the King of kings and the LORD of lords?
Answer: GOD.
Psalms 47:2, Psalms 95:3, Malachi 1:14, I Timothy 6:14-15, Revelation 17:14, Revelation 19:16

Question: Who is the Word of GOD by which GOD created all things?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST was the only One written of as the Word of GOD.
Psalm 107:20, Isaiah 55:11, John 1:1-14, Revelation 19:13.

Question: Who is the Creator of all things?
Answer: GOD
JESUS CHRIST was the same Word by which all things were made.
Genesis 1, Proverbs 8, John 1:1-3,10, Colossians 1:15-16,

Question: Who is the Light of the world?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST said He is the Light of the world.
John 8:12, John 1:4, John 12:46

Question: Who is this that demons fear and tremble before Him?
Answer: GOD.
Demons fear and tremble before JESUS CHRIST.
Mark 1:24, James 2:19

Question: Who did GOD give to the world to serve and worship?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST said of any man serve Him, such man should follow Him.
Daniel 7:9,13-14, John 5:23, John 12:26

Question: Who is He that rules over the raging sea and calms the storm?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST calmed the storm.
Psalms 65:7, Psalms 89:9, Mark 4:39.

Question: In whose name are we to pray?
Answer: GOD'S name.
JESUS CHRIST taught that prayers and requests be made in His name.
Matthew 21:22, John 14:13-14, Matthew 7:7, John 15:7, John 15:16.

Question: Who owns all powers?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST said all powers belongs to Him.
Mathew 28:18, Luke 10:22, John 3:35, Ephesians 1:20-22,

Question: Who can have glory with GOD the FATHER from the beginning before the world was created?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST said He has glory with the FATHER from the beginning before the world was created.
John 17:1,4-6

Question: Who is He that it is written concerning that you should not tempt?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST commanded and reminded Satan that it is written that he must not tempt the LORD his GOD.
Deuteronomy 6:16, Matthew 4:7

Question: Who is it written that Him only you shall worship?
Answer: GOD.
JESUS CHRIST told Satan that Satan ought to worship the LORD his GOD alone.
Exodus 20:3,5, Exodus 34:14, Matthew 4:10.

By the HOLY SPIRIT, it was revealed that JESUS CHRIST was called 'GOD' by the FATHER:
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Daniel 7:9,13-14, Hebrews:1:8, John 14:9

JESUS CHRIST accepted worship of those who bowed down to worship Him without refraining nor stopping them because of who He is:
John 13 (KJV)
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¹³ Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am.


²⁰ Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

“Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.”
— Matthew 4:10 (KJV)

Now, who could David had called LORD in the Spirit? When the LORD said to the LORD which David called LORD in the Spirit that this LORD that David called LORD in the Spirit should 'sit' on His right hand till He makes His enemies His footstool?
They called JESUS CHRIST the son of David; yet David saw Him in the Spirit and called Him, "My LORD."
(The revealing of JESUS CHRIST to David before He [JESUS CHRIST] came to the world)
Psalm 110:1, Matthew 22:42-46

And JESUS CHRIST said:

John 5 (KJV)
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³⁷ And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
³⁸ And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
³⁹ Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
⁴⁰ And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.
⁴¹ I receive not honour from men.
⁴² But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.
⁴³ I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
⁴⁴ How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
⁴⁵ Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
⁴⁶ For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
⁴⁷ But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Philippians 2 (KJV)
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⁵ Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
⁶ Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
⁷ But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
⁸ And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
⁹ Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
¹⁰ That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
¹¹ And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Westerhoffe(m): 5:45am On Jun 02, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ you're really funny o! cheesy
So you expect me to start reading all these shey?
Well you tried but if you're ready to continue with the discussion summarize this lengthy epistle i'm not interested in such long stories.
Pick your point and go straight to what your have in mind to say! smiley

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All are the points.
Read it, understand and see what you're getting all wrong, or there is no more a point discussing this.
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:55am On Jun 02, 2023
Westerhoffe:

All are the points.
Read it, understand and see what you're getting all wrong, or there is no more a point discussing this.
Guy i have given you my own explanation why i strongly believe that the spirit creature whose life was transformed into an embryo in the womb of Mary is the Archangel Michael and my expectation was brief as in straight to the point so if you can't do the same then there's no need arguing keep your beliefs while i keep mine! smiley
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Westerhoffe(m): 7:14am On Jun 02, 2023
MaxInDHouse:

Guy i have given you my own explanation why i strongly believe that the spirit creature whose life was transformed into an embryo in the womb of Mary is the Archangel Michael and my expectation was brief as in straight to the point so if you can't do the same then there's no need arguing keep your beliefs while i keep mine! smiley


cheesy grin grin

I guess mine became too much for you to comprehend!!!
Wow!
Just wow!!
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:17am On Jun 02, 2023
Westerhoffe:

I guess mine became too much for you to comprehend!!! Wow! Just wow!!

Hen nah!
That's why i asked for a simplified form you can't expect me to accept what i can't comprehend all in the name of arguments nah! cheesy
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Westerhoffe(m): 7:25am On Jun 02, 2023
MaxInDHouse:


Hen nah!
That's why i asked for a simplified form you can't expect me to accept what i can't comprehend all in the name of arguments nah! cheesy

Not an argument, but well stated facts through the Bible.

If you can't read them, then no point discussing it anymore.
But your answers are in it.
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:43am On Jun 02, 2023
Westerhoffe:

Not an argument, but well stated facts through the Bible.
If you can't read them, then no point discussing it anymore.
But your answers are in it.

Sorry i can't read all that so keep it for the next person! smiley
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Westerhoffe(m): 8:07am On Jun 02, 2023
MaxInDHouse:


Sorry i can't read all that so keep it for the next person! smiley

Good…
So let it go.
The reply cannot be shortened.
It's the evidences you need.
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:14am On Jun 02, 2023
Westerhoffe:

Good…
So let it go.
The reply cannot be shortened.
It's the evidences you need.

I have my own evidence already.
Thanks for your time! smiley
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 9:49am On Jun 02, 2023
Jokerman:
Only a confused JW will equate Angel Michael to the Lord Jesus Christ

Only confused churchgoers Worshipping 3 deities argue against Revelation 12:7-9, Genesis 3:15 & 1 John 3:8,proof Jesus is the promised seed (archangel Michael) who defeated the serpent, Satan the devil.

2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 & Daniel 10:13, Jesus is the leader of angels in battle & victory.
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 9:57am On Jun 02, 2023
Westerhoffe:


Good…
So let it go.
The reply cannot be shortened.
It's the evidences you need.

Matthew 4:10 & John 9:4 Jesus Christ says I Worship God Almighty ALONE , you MUST WORSHIP God Almighty ALONE.

Your Trinitarian mentors ADDED their own to Hebrews 1:6-8.

Psalms 45:6 Hebrew reads: "God is your throne (same as "God is your strength", meaning your strength is from God, 1 Chronicles 29:23 & 28:5).
Trinitarians CHANGE that to "your throne o God"
You Worship 3 deities. Confirmed polytheist. grin grin
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Westerhoffe(m): 10:30am On Jun 02, 2023
MaxInDHouse:


I have my own evidence already.
Thanks for your time! smiley

And mine was way too much for you.
Well, you're welcome.
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 10:32am On Jun 02, 2023

Sorry those commentaries are outdated, I have those two commentaries you qouted from they're more than a 100yrs old grin grin
Hebrews 1:1-6 destroys the whole idea of Jesus being an angel. Christ is the only spirit person that is said to have existed in God's nature and also being the only-begotten-God (John 1:18)

2 Peter 1:4 & 1 Corinthians 15:50, resurrected believers in heaven possess divine nature.
Abeg, carry your updated GIBBERISH outta here.


Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Westerhoffe(m): 10:33am On Jun 02, 2023
Janosky:


Matthew 4:10 & John 9:4 Jesus Christ says I Worship God Almighty ALONE , you MUST WORSHIP God Almighty ALONE.

Your Trinitarian mentors ADDED their own to Hebrews 1:6-8.

Psalms 45:6 Hebrew reads: "God is your throne (same as "God is your strength", meaning your strength is from God, 1 Chronicles 29:23 & 28:5).
Trinitarians CHANGE that to "your throne o God"
You Worship 3 deities. Confirmed polytheist. grin grin

Deities…
Your deities?

Because I know I worship no deity/deities.

And I still say, you don't have any idea or encounter with the One True GOD.

You don't know GOD, so argue all you want.
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 10:35am On Jun 02, 2023
elated177:


This is hilarious. You resorted to the teachings and commentaries of those you claim you despise? Very desperate, Janosky.

How would I despise the Scriptural evidence of their rebuttal of the Trinity doctrine they believe in!
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 10:43am On Jun 02, 2023
Westerhoffe:


Deities…
Your deities?

Because I know I worship no deity/deities.

And I still say, you don't have any idea or encounter with the One True GOD.

You don't know GOD, so argue all you want.



Your Trinitarian mentors say you Worship 3 Spirits-The Father, the Son & the ghost..
Is Jesus not your deity?
Is his Father not your deity?
Is the 3rd person ghost not your deity?

You want to deny your 3 deities?
Oga, Continue Oooo
grin

Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Westerhoffe(m): 10:46am On Jun 02, 2023
Janosky:




Your Trinitarian mentors say you Worship 3 Spirits-The Father, the Son & the ghost..
Is Jesus not your deity?
Is his Father not your deity?
Is the 3rd person ghost not your deity?

You want to deny your 3 deities?
Oga, Continue Oooo
grin

I know GOD, not because of what anyone said or wrote about Him, but with personal multiple encounters. So you're only exposing and proving your ignorance before me.

If you had known about 20% of what I have known and seen, witnessed and experienced about, from, with GOD, you'd need not being taught by anyone.

I hope you see the truth on the other side hidden from you some day.
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:17pm On Jun 02, 2023
Westerhoffe:

And mine was way too much for you.
Well, you're welcome.

You people only tell lies about what you have no idea about then you expect others to agree with you simply because you're ready to argue. If your god is complicated then it's not the fault of those rejecting your god rather it's the fault of the complicated god itself. smiley

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Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Nobody: 1:46pm On Jun 02, 2023
Westerhoffe:


I know GOD, not because of what anyone said or wrote about Him, but with personal multiple encounters. So you're only exposing and proving your ignorance before me.

If you had known about 20% of what I have known and seen, witnessed and experienced about, from, with GOD, you'd need not being taught by anyone.

I hope you see the truth on the other side hidden from you some day.
Interesting.
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Westerhoffe(m): 1:48pm On Jun 02, 2023
MaxInDHouse:


You people only tell lies about what you have no idea about then you expect others to agree with you simply because you're ready to argue. If your god is complicated then it's not the fault of those rejecting your god rather it's the fault of the complicated god itself. smiley

GOD is a Spirit.
GOD is a very very very very deep and full of mysteries.

What do you even call this One True GOD?
To whom do you compare Him?
He is so much more beyond how you think you know Him.
What do you even think you know about GOD?

You think He is a 6 feet tall person?

Come off it!

You just blundered before me with this comment of yours!
Who do you take GOD for even?
Who?
Tell me…
Who?
Mystery in the depths of mystery!

See, you don't know Him… so close this thread.

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