Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Ibime(m): 6:28pm On Mar 12 |
iamoyindamola:
🤣🤣🤣 Ibime is part of the fake ijaw The Eastern Ijaw (Rivers State) tribes of Okrika, Kalabari, Bonny and Opobo are highly descended from Igbo slaves and merchants. Opobo itself is highly Igbolised by blood since Jaja (himself an Igbo slave) plied the Imo river and brought many Igbo from the hinterland to work for him, to the point I can say Opobo blood is 85% Igbo. Bonny is about 70% Igbo and Kalabari and Okrika about 30-50% Igbo. Nembe and Brass in Bayelsa about 10-20%. That's why Nembe King historically had to deny Igbo ancestry which his detractors put upon him Okrika and Opobo Kings are mostly from Igbo bloodline as is Kalabari. Bonny resisted a bit to keep their Perekule (Pepple) bloodline as Kings but their Kings' mothers and grandmother's likely Igbo by blood. I am also from the last Royal family of Okrika with Igbo bloodline through my Great great grandfather who came down from Igbo land to work for an Okrika man (who himself was originally Igbo) In Okrika we have had Kingship tussles for 2 centuries between the Tubonijus (merchants often descended from Igbos who are the ruling class) and Konijus (traditional fishing occupation mostly descended from Ijaws). You can Google it. Ateke was the Koniju man that ran us out of town and finally broke the hold of Igboid descendants on the Kingship. But no too reason am, Ijaw City states are like Rome. Any Igbo man that comes there almost immediately blends into Ijaw. That's because our slavery wasn't chatel slavery. A slave becomes a member of the household with full rights of a son as long as he is productive. That's how Jaja rose from slavery to head of his house and there are many Amanyanabos, Alabos and Waridabos with similar story not just Jaja. Some years ago, I stumbled across an interview with a slave from Umahia owned by my great great grandfather being interviewed by a Colonial journalist. In general I would say 70% of Igbos came as Slaves, but there were also some big Palm oil merchants based in Igbo land that moved to Ijaw land to partner more closer with their Ijaw partners. They also brought their families and would return to the hinterland to pick slaves. So slowly these Ijaw City states blood became filled by Igbos to the point Bonny and Opobo lost their original Ibani language and now fully speak Igbo, but not Kalabari and Okrika who maintain their mother tongue. But don't get it twisted, the culture is fully Ijaw, same Gods, same masquerades, nothing like New Yam festival, Nzobu Nzobu or red cap. 16 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Ihebu4chelsea(m): 6:32pm On Mar 12 |
Ibime:
The Eastern Ijaw (Rivers State) tribes of Okrika, Kalabari, Bonny and Opobo are highly descended from Igbo slaves and merchants. Opobo itself is highly Igbolised by blood since Jaja (himself an Igbo slave) plied the Imo river and brought many Igbo from the hinterland to work for him, to the point I can say Opobo blood is 85% Igbo.
Bonny is about 70% Igbo and Kalabari and Okrika about 30-50% Igbo. Nembe and Brass in Bayelsa about 10-20%. That's why Nembe King historically had to deny Igbo ancestry which his detractors put upon him
Okrika and Opobo Kings are mostly from Igbo bloodline as is Kalabari. Bonny resisted a bit to keep their Perekule (People) bloodline as Kings but their mothers and grandmother's likely Igbo.
I am also from the last Royal family of Okrika with Igbo bloodline through my Great great grandfather who came down from Igbo land to work for an Okrika man (who himself was originally Igbo)
In Okrika we have had Kingship between the Tuboijus (merchants often descended from Igbos) and Konijus (traditional fishing occupation mostly descended from Ijaws). You can Google it. Ateke was the Koniju man that ran us out of town and finally broke the hold of Igboid descendants on the Kingship.
But no too reason am, Ijaw City states are like Rome. Any Igbo man that comes there almost immediately blends into Ijaw. That's because our slavery wasn't chatel slavery. A slave becomes a member of the household with full rights of a son as long as he is productive. That's how Jaja rose from slavery to head of his house.
Some years ago, I stumbled across an interview with a slave from Umahia owned by my great great grandfather being interviewed by a Colonial journalist. In general I would say 70% of Igbos came as Slaves, but there were also some big Palm oil merchants based in Igbo land that moved to Ijaw land to partner more closer with their Ijaw partners. They also brought their families and would return to the hinterland to pick slaves. So slowly these Ijaw City states blood became filled by Igbos to the point Bonny and Opobo lost their original Ibani language and now fully speak Igbo, but not Kalabari and Okrika who maintain their mother tongue.
But don't get it twisted, the culture is fully Ijaw, same Gods, same masquerades, nothing like New Yam festival, Nzobu Nzobu or red cap.
Wonderful piece, Chief, how did you study all these? Your knowledge in history is quite amazing. |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Amoto94(m): 6:40pm On Mar 12 |
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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by iamoyindamola(m): 6:40pm On Mar 12 |
Ibime:
The Eastern Ijaw (Rivers State) tribes of Okrika, Kalabari, Bonny and Opobo are highly descended from Igbo slaves and merchants. Opobo itself is highly Igbolised by blood since Jaja (himself an Igbo slave) plied the Imo river and brought many Igbo from the hinterland to work for him, to the point I can say Opobo blood is 85% Igbo.
Bonny is about 70% Igbo and Kalabari and Okrika about 30-50% Igbo. Nembe and Brass in Bayelsa about 10-20%. That's why Nembe King historically had to deny Igbo ancestry which his detractors put upon him
Okrika and Opobo Kings are mostly from Igbo bloodline as is Kalabari. Bonny resisted a bit to keep their Perekule (Pepple) bloodline as Kings but their Kings' mothers and grandmother's likely Igbo by blood.
I am also from the last Royal family of Okrika with Igbo bloodline through my Great great grandfather who came down from Igbo land to work for an Okrika man (who himself was originally Igbo)
In Okrika we have had Kingship tussles for 2 centuries between the Tubonijus (merchants often descended from Igbos who are the ruling class) and Konijus (traditional fishing occupation mostly descended from Ijaws). You can Google it. Ateke was the Koniju man that ran us out of town and finally broke the hold of Igboid descendants on the Kingship.
But no too reason am, Ijaw City states are like Rome. Any Igbo man that comes there almost immediately blends into Ijaw. That's because our slavery wasn't chatel slavery. A slave becomes a member of the household with full rights of a son as long as he is productive. That's how Jaja rose from slavery to head of his house.
Some years ago, I stumbled across an interview with a slave from Umahia owned by my great great grandfather being interviewed by a Colonial journalist. In general I would say 70% of Igbos came as Slaves, but there were also some big Palm oil merchants based in Igbo land that moved to Ijaw land to partner more closer with their Ijaw partners. They also brought their families and would return to the hinterland to pick slaves. So slowly these Ijaw City states blood became filled by Igbos to the point Bonny and Opobo lost their original Ibani language and now fully speak Igbo, but not Kalabari and Okrika who maintain their mother tongue.
But don't get it twisted, the culture is fully Ijaw, same Gods, same masquerades, nothing like New Yam festival, Nzobu Nzobu or red cap.
Wow, never knew opobo people are descendant of igbo, I used to think king jaja of opobo was from kalabari |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Unlimited22: 7:00pm On Mar 12 |
Ibime:
The Eastern Ijaw (Rivers State) tribes of Okrika, Kalabari, Bonny and Opobo are highly descended from Igbo slaves and merchants. Opobo itself is highly Igbolised by blood since Jaja (himself an Igbo slave) plied the Imo river and brought many Igbo from the hinterland to work for him, to the point I can say Opobo blood is 85% Igbo.
Bonny is about 70% Igbo and Kalabari and Okrika about 30-50% Igbo. Nembe and Brass in Bayelsa about 10-20%. That's why Nembe King historically had to deny Igbo ancestry which his detractors put upon him
Okrika and Opobo Kings are mostly from Igbo bloodline as is Kalabari. Bonny resisted a bit to keep their Perekule (Pepple) bloodline as Kings but their Kings' mothers and grandmother's likely Igbo by blood.
I am also from the last Royal family of Okrika with Igbo bloodline through my Great great grandfather who came down from Igbo land to work for an Okrika man (who himself was originally Igbo)
In Okrika we have had Kingship tussles for 2 centuries between the Tubonijus (merchants often descended from Igbos who are the ruling class) and Konijus (traditional fishing occupation mostly descended from Ijaws). You can Google it. Ateke was the Koniju man that ran us out of town and finally broke the hold of Igboid descendants on the Kingship.
But no too reason am, Ijaw City states are like Rome. Any Igbo man that comes there almost immediately blends into Ijaw. That's because our slavery wasn't chatel slavery. A slave becomes a member of the household with full rights of a son as long as he is productive. That's how Jaja rose from slavery to head of his house.
Some years ago, I stumbled across an interview with a slave from Umahia owned by my great great grandfather being interviewed by a Colonial journalist. In general I would say 70% of Igbos came as Slaves, but there were also some big Palm oil merchants based in Igbo land that moved to Ijaw land to partner more closer with their Ijaw partners. They also brought their families and would return to the hinterland to pick slaves. So slowly these Ijaw City states blood became filled by Igbos to the point Bonny and Opobo lost their original Ibani language and now fully speak Igbo, but not Kalabari and Okrika who maintain their mother tongue.
But don't get it twisted, the culture is fully Ijaw, same Gods, same masquerades, nothing like New Yam festival, Nzobu Nzobu or red cap.
Couldn't have put it better myself. Aside the spelling of Nzogbu Nzogbu, of course 😏😒 It is also worth noting that till date, many Bonny and Opobo people are fluent in Igbo, including Siminialayi Fubara himself My Guy wey I dey deck for him ama for Elekahia anytime I Wan Waka for night and I no get strength for house people is a full blooded Bonny man and his mum speaks to me in proper Igbo Izugbe. 1 Like |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Unlimited22: 7:07pm On Mar 12 |
iamoyindamola:
Wow, never knew opobo people are descendant of igbo, I used to think king jaja of opobo was from kalabari Lmao Jaja was born in Amaigbo, in present day Nwangele LGA of Imo State. A lot of historians agree that his birth name was Okwara Mbanaso. And this thing isn't even one sided. Till date, there are Ijaw people in Ohambele and Azumini, Ndoki towns of Ukwa East LGA of Abia State, and Umuagbai in Oyigbo LGA of Rivers State. Sim himself has two Ndoki grandmothers The story long |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 7:07pm On Mar 12 |
izzou: The person who came up with the idea to divide us into 36 states did us a great disservice
So, Real Ijaw and Fake Ijaw dey iamoyindamola:
🤣🤣🤣 Ibime is part of the fake ijaw I don know taytay say Ibime na fake ijaw. I no just wan cast am. British boy wey be like Sancho dey claim Ijaw  Real Ijaw dey learn swimming inside river and ocean, Just throw pikin inside water and e float because fenibeso dey protect them Fake Ijaw dey learn swimming for Agip swimming pool, using coach and lifeguard with life vest evidence full e brekete Ibime: I learned officially at age 4 in swimming pool with a coach. I think it was either Agip or Elf that had a swimming pool in Trans-Amadi area. . 7 Likes |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 7:08pm On Mar 12 |
izzou:
The last time I visited Edo, there's one town I visited. It's along the road to Uzeba (Can't remember the name)
These guys literally have Yoruba names; Akande, etc, but they'll tell you they are not Yoruba, but they are Edo.
The same way you'll someone bearing Emeka, but he will say he's not Igbo, but Delta.
How can you say someone is not a Real Ijaw? So what exactly would he fall under?
Odiegwu Are these Akoko Edo in Edo North? Cos all them Dele Momodu |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by raumdeuter: 7:09pm On Mar 12 |
Roland17: Wike wrong sha! Which kain angu be dis one again? We need Izon National ID card to know Real from fake |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 7:19pm On Mar 12 |
raumdeuter:
I don know taytay say Ibime na fake ijaw. I no just wan cast am. British boy wey be like Sancho dey claim Ijaw 
Real Ijaw dey learn swimming inside river and ocean, Just throw pikin inside water and e float because fenibeso dey protect them Fake Ijaw dey learn swimming for Agip swimming pool, using coach and lifeguard with life vest
evidence full e brekete
Ibime na 50% oyibo 5% ijaw with 4% margin of error Ajebutta Oyinbo pepper forming hard man  |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by seankafor(m): 7:19pm On Mar 12 |
Ibime:
The Eastern Ijaw (Rivers State) tribes of Okrika, Kalabari, Bonny and Opobo are highly descended from Igbo slaves and merchants. Opobo itself is highly Igbolised by blood since Jaja (himself an Igbo slave) plied the Imo river and brought many Igbo from the hinterland to work for him, to the point I can say Opobo blood is 85% Igbo.
Bonny is about 70% Igbo and Kalabari and Okrika about 30-50% Igbo. Nembe and Brass in Bayelsa about 10-20%. That's why Nembe King historically had to deny Igbo ancestry which his detractors put upon him
Okrika and Opobo Kings are mostly from Igbo bloodline as is Kalabari. Bonny resisted a bit to keep their Perekule (Pepple) bloodline as Kings but their Kings' mothers and grandmother's likely Igbo by blood.
I am also from the last Royal family of Okrika with Igbo bloodline through my Great great grandfather who came down from Igbo land to work for an Okrika man (who himself was originally Igbo)
In Okrika we have had Kingship tussles for 2 centuries between the Tubonijus (merchants often descended from Igbos who are the ruling class) and Konijus (traditional fishing occupation mostly descended from Ijaws). You can Google it. Ateke was the Koniju man that ran us out of town and finally broke the hold of Igboid descendants on the Kingship.
But no too reason am, Ijaw City states are like Rome. Any Igbo man that comes there almost immediately blends into Ijaw. That's because our slavery wasn't chatel slavery. A slave becomes a member of the household with full rights of a son as long as he is productive. That's how Jaja rose from slavery to head of his house and there are many Amanyanabos, Alabos and Waridabos with similar story not just Jaja.
Some years ago, I stumbled across an interview with a slave from Umahia owned by my great great grandfather being interviewed by a Colonial journalist. In general I would say 70% of Igbos came as Slaves, but there were also some big Palm oil merchants based in Igbo land that moved to Ijaw land to partner more closer with their Ijaw partners. They also brought their families and would return to the hinterland to pick slaves. So slowly these Ijaw City states blood became filled by Igbos to the point Bonny and Opobo lost their original Ibani language and now fully speak Igbo, but not Kalabari and Okrika who maintain their mother tongue.
But don't get it twisted, the culture is fully Ijaw, same Gods, same masquerades, nothing like New Yam festival, Nzobu Nzobu or red cap.
so you have no words for wike who called you minority ijaw? 1 Like |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 7:42pm On Mar 12 |
raumdeuter:
Are these Akoko Edo in Edo North? Cos all them Dele Momodu Not at all
I think it's Owan West; around that LGA. |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by iamoyindamola(m): 8:14pm On Mar 12 |
Unlimited22:
Lmao Jaja was born in Amaigbo, in present day Nwangele LGA of Imo State. A lot of historians agree that his birth name was Okwara Mbanaso.
And this thing isn't even one sided. Till date, there are Ijaw people in Ohambele and Azumini, Ndoki towns of Ukwa East LGA of Abia State, and Umuagbai in Oyigbo LGA of Rivers State.
Sim himself has two Ndoki grandmothers
The story long Naija is very rich in culture and heritage |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by iamoyindamola(m): 8:17pm On Mar 12 |
raumdeuter:
I don know taytay say Ibime na fake ijaw. I no just wan cast am. British boy wey be like Sancho dey claim Ijaw 
Real Ijaw dey learn swimming inside river and ocean, Just throw pikin inside water and e float because fenibeso dey protect them Fake Ijaw dey learn swimming for Agip swimming pool, using coach and lifeguard with life vest
evidence full e brekete
I get one ijaw friend for bayelsa, she's originally from Delta ijaw but she can't swim Infact she has phobia for water, I always ask her if she's real ijaw 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by iamoyindamola(m): 8:30pm On Mar 12 |
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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by KingTom(m): 10:49pm On Mar 12 |
iamoyindamola:
I get one ijaw friend for bayelsa, she's originally from Delta ijaw but she can't swim Infact she has phobia for water, I always ask her if she's real ijaw Reminds me of when my brother saw me giving 500 naira to an able-bodied beggar, e say I be fake Ijebu  |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 11:20pm On Mar 12 |
KingTom: Reminds me of when my brother saw me giving 500 naira to an able-bodied beggar, e say I be fake Ijebu  I also don’t give money to able-bodied beggars or those ones who will carry their kids and beg u money for them to feed . I believe giving them money is encouraging laziness and also outting oneself in the position of Mugu . I however give people who are physically impaired or disabled alms according to my capability anytime I come across them . I also give people who appear to be stranded money if I guage them and conclude they may be telling the truth . |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by afrodoc2: 12:55am On Mar 13 |
izzou: The person who came up with the idea to divide us into 36 states did us a great disservice
So, Real Ijaw and Fake Ijaw dey You no know before? Jaja of Opobo the great and legendary "Ijaw" or "Izon" leader was a full-blown Igbo man. |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Amigoss: 1:23am On Mar 13 |
izzou:
Not at all
I think it's Owan West; around that LGA. Maybe a boundary town with ondo state |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by PDPGuy: 2:27am On Mar 13 |
Eko O ni baje 😁
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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 7:05am On Mar 13 |
Amigoss:
Maybe a boundary town with ondo state Very possible.
Ondo might possibly be close by |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by KingTom(m): 7:59am On Mar 13 |
BlueRayDick:
I also don’t give money to able-bodied beggars or those ones who will carry their kids and beg u money for them to feed . I believe giving them money is encouraging laziness and also outting oneself in the position of Mugu .
I however give people who are physically impaired or disabled alms according to my capability anytime I come across them . I also give people who appear to be stranded money if I guage them and conclude they may be telling the truth . True, but these days the format wey people dey bring ehn! I've been hussled by a boy who claimed he was blind, I was sympathetic to his claim and parted with money. I was surprised to see him in the afternoon checking his Bet9ja tickets. 1 Like |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by izzou(m): 8:04am On Mar 13 |
KingTom:
True, but these days the format wey people dey bring ehn! I've been hussled by a boy who claimed he was blind, I was sympathetic to his claim and parted with money. I was surprised to see him in the afternoon checking his Bet9ja tickets. He definitely got healed. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 8:13am On Mar 13 |
KingTom:
True, but these days the format wey people dey bring ehn! I've been hussled by a boy who claimed he was blind, I was sympathetic to his claim and parted with money. I was surprised to see him in the afternoon checking his Bet9ja tickets. Omo! 😯 That is wild o. A supposed blind man Dey check bet9ja ticket ? See the kind serious medical condition person Dey use lie . Smh. I detest able-bodied man or woman begging for money sha . It always gives me the vibe that they believe they can’t do some “dirty hustle “ like carrying load for people in the market , doing “baranda “ in major markets like computer village or Balogun market on the island . 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 8:28am On Mar 13 |
KingTom:
True, but these days the format wey people dey bring ehn! I've been hussled by a boy who claimed he was blind, I was sympathetic to his claim and parted with money. I was surprised to see him in the afternoon checking his Bet9ja tickets. one day i was driving home through mile 2 towards under bridge as it was about to rain and i saw a wheel chair guy and the person who pushed him running to beat the rain. i saw them scale the concrete road divider. i wished i had a dash-cam at that moment 1 Like |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by iamoyindamola(m): 8:41am On Mar 13 |
BlueRayDick:
Omo! 😯
That is wild o. A supposed blind man Dey check bet9ja ticket ? See the kind serious medical condition person Dey use lie . Smh.
I detest able-bodied man or woman begging for money sha . It always gives me the vibe that they believe they can’t do some “dirty hustle “ like carrying load for people in the market , doing “baranda “ in major markets like computer village or Balogun market on the island . Some actually have those medical conditions but they don't even pray to be healed because they are comfortable with begging There's one old man and his wife along luth, they are either at the airport road to lasuth, or opebi/toyin street same begging tactics |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by BlueRayDick: 9:39am On Mar 13 |
iamoyindamola:
Some actually have those medical conditions but they don't even pray to be healed because they are comfortable with begging There's one old man and his wife along luth, they are either at the airport road to luth, or opebi/toyin street same begging tactics
Yeah , there are some that stay around that LASUTH Side in Ikeja and along that Mobolaji Bank Anthony way. They will claim their son or daughter is sick in the hospital and they need to buy a particular drug . I learnt most of them have people inside LASUTH that usually help them write those prescription out on LASUTH letter head so that it gives their begging hustle some sort of legitimacy . |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by KingTom(m): 10:41am On Mar 13 |
GloriousGbola:
one day i was driving home through mile 2 towards under bridge as it was about to rain and i saw a wheel chair guy and the person who pushed him running to beat the rain. i saw them scale the concrete road divider. i wished i had a dash-cam at that moment You no go run ke?  |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by KingTom(m): 10:44am On Mar 13 |
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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Amoto94(m): 10:45am On Mar 13 |
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Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by GloriousGbola: 10:47am On Mar 13 |
BlueRayDick:
Yeah , there are some that stay around that LASUTH Side in Ikeja and along that Mobolaji Bank Anthony way. They will claim their son or daughter is sick in the hospital and they need to buy a particular drug .
I learnt most of them have people inside LASUTH that usually help them write those prescription out on LASUTH letter head so that it gives their begging hustle some sort of legitimacy . if you ride public transport in lagos you will lose sympathy for most beggars because you will hear their true stories from passengers there is a woman who used to be around five star in the 90s. she always had three naked toddlers her. this was during my IT. one guy on the staff bus said one day, someone came and dropped a bunch of clothes for the children. the next day they were back, naked again. i saw this same woman 10 years later in ikeja crying in traffic supporting one of her half naked children. the child was now much older. she was pretending the child was sick then one day i saw her in vi. i was in traffic and she was at my window. "Jesus will answer your prayers" and i just burst out laughing. sharp sharp she reversed - "the Almighty Allah will answer your prayers". hardened hustler |
Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by KingTom(m): 10:51am On Mar 13 |
BlueRayDick:
Omo! 😯
That is wild o. A supposed blind man Dey check bet9ja ticket ? See the kind serious medical condition person Dey use lie . Smh.
I detest able-bodied man or woman begging for money sha . It always gives me the vibe that they believe they can’t do some “dirty hustle “ like carrying load for people in the market , doing “baranda “ in major markets like computer village or Balogun market on the island . Many of us are enablers tbh, Christianity and Islam take Alms giving seriously so person go just use that one take advantage of people. There's a Roundabout in Calabar where a lot of crippled guys line up to beg, one day when the usual calabar July flash flood was on. See as most of the boys pick their sandals for armpit dey run na just few of them wey dey genuine wey dey use that roller like slippers thing. |