Igbos Are Not Descended From Israel by EEngineer1(m): 5:03pm On Aug 05, 2011 |
why would we ibos let inferiority complex kill us, can someone bring out full logical proof that we descended from the jews, is this claim just a ploy to try and associate ourselves with a so called superior culture |
Re: Igbos Are Not Descended From Israel by otapiapia: 5:43pm On Aug 05, 2011 |
All Igbos dont come from one source. Just a combination of groups who have become united by one language. |
Re: Igbos Are Not Descended From Israel by aljharem3: 5:47pm On Aug 05, 2011 |
E-Engineer:
why would we ibos let inferiority complex kill us, can someone bring out full logical proof that we descended from the jews, is this claim just a ploy to try and associate ourselves with a so called superior culture
is it ibo or igbo just want to find out, and as the topic well it a very sad event but it is the hands of we as a people to change this |
Re: Igbos Are Not Descended From Israel by abadaba(m): 9:31pm On Aug 05, 2011 |
E-Engineer:
why would we ibos let inferiority complex kill us, can someone bring out full logical proof that we descended from the jews, is this claim just a ploy to try and associate ourselves with a so called superior culture
As an Igbo yourself, you have to let the world know that we are Igbo. Are you not ashamed of yourself as an Igbo to type Ibo?. What a shame. |
Re: Igbos Are Not Descended From Israel by NegroNtns(m): 10:00pm On Aug 05, 2011 |
Ibos don't know where they come from or how they got where they are, they just know they speak same language and couldn't even tell the origin of the language.
How can a people just say we come from everywhere? Where is everywhere? |
Re: Igbos Are Not Descended From Israel by HighChief4(m): 10:09pm On Aug 05, 2011 |
abadaba:
As an Igbo yourself, you have to let the world know that we are Igbo. Are you not ashamed of yourself as an Igbo to type Ibo?. What a shame.
Dont mind the OP, he is not Igbo. He is one of these Yoruba guys with multiple IDs that will never stop thinking about Igbos while M.A.S.T.U.R.B.A.T.I.N.G |
Re: Igbos Are Not Descended From Israel by ezeagu(m): 12:10am On Aug 06, 2011 |
Negro_Ntns:
Ibos don't know where they come from or how they got where they are, they just know they speak same language and couldn't even tell the origin of the language.
How can a people just say we come from everywhere? Where is everywhere?
I think Igbo is Semitic, like Yoruba of course. |
Re: Igbos Are Not Descended From Israel by AndreUweh(m): 12:37am On Aug 06, 2011 |
Negro_Ntns:
Ibos don't know where they come from or how they got where they are, they just know they speak same language and couldn't even tell the origin of the language.
How can a people just say we come from everywhere? Where is everywhere?
Igbo bu Igbo, ndi Iro puru okuko uzo lakpuo. Get this right into your cranium, Ndigbo have different ancestral roots, but we are happy we are Igbo. Some came from Bini, Mideast, Igala, Ibibio etc. It is not our problem. I know you have learnt a lot of Igbo since you have been resident Igbo nairalander, so you should be able to interpret my opening remark, just my advice to you. |
Re: Igbos Are Not Descended From Israel by dempeople(m): 1:31am On Aug 06, 2011 |
I'm sure the OP isn't onye Igbo but masquerading here to be one. If at all he/she is, then I think its a shame. For a start, its "Igbo" and not "Ibo".
Secondly, Ndiigbo are not known to suffer from any inferiority complex. I don't know where you got it that Ndiigbo are descendants of Jews. I vehemently don't think so. Infact, I think its the other way round. |
Re: Igbos Are Not Descended From Israel by ChinenyeN(m): 1:31am On Aug 06, 2011 |
Negro_Ntns:
Ibos don't know where they come from or how they got where they are, they just know they speak same language and couldn't even tell the origin of the language.
How can a people just say we come from everywhere? Where is everywhere? Stop playing the fool. You have been told several times that the Igbo do not have a single origin. The Igbo are a collection of different related & unrelated peoples. You already know that, so this nonsense you are writing here is unwarranted. |
Re: Igbos Are Not Descended From Israel by EEngineer1(m): 5:47pm On Aug 06, 2011 |
abadaba:
As an Igbo yourself, you have to let the world know that we are Igbo. Are you not ashamed of yourself as an Igbo to type Ibo?. What a shame.
abadaba:
As an Igbo yourself, you have to let the world know that we are Igbo. Are you not ashamed of yourself as an Igbo to type Ibo?. What a shame.
are you not smart enough to understand what i am writing, i nwe ike i dee ihe na igbo, jiri onwe gi ebaa obu na i choro nsobu |
Re: Igbos Are Not Descended From Israel by Rgp92: 6:11pm On Aug 06, 2011 |
One thing im sure of is that the Igbos are not descended from Israel, but maybe the people living in Israel today are descended from the Igbos. Black race is the origin of the human race after all. And why would the Igbos be proud of being Israelites ? All abrahamic religion were a copy of other religion before it. 1 Like |
Re: Igbos Are Not Descended From Israel by otapiapia: 6:31pm On Aug 06, 2011 |
I think there are some biblical references showing similarities between some Igbo and Hebrew words which the proponents of this theory use as their arguments.
They may be correct. |
Re: Igbos Are Not Descended From Israel by Rgp92: 6:32pm On Aug 06, 2011 |
otapiapia:
I think there are some biblical references showing similarities between some Igbo and Hebrew words which the proponents of this theory use as their arguments.
They may be correct.
Could you please post the biblical references you calm? |
Re: Igbos Are Not Descended From Israel by otapiapia: 7:27pm On Aug 06, 2011 |
Rgp92:
Could you please post the biblical references you calm?
I never stated I was one of it's proponents, I dont bother myself with that. I've seen some a couple of times, just not interested. Google is your friend. Goodluck. |
Re: Igbos Are Not Descended From Israel by ChinenyeN(m): 7:55pm On Aug 06, 2011 |
Rgp92:
Could you please post the biblical references you calm? If you search Nri, Eri & Gad in Google, you'll find it. |
Re: Igbos Are Not Descended From Israel by Rgp92: 8:16pm On Aug 06, 2011 |
NRI KINGDOM is the oldest Kingdom in Nigeria. It was founded around 900AD by the progenitor, Eri, the son of Gad. According to biblicalaccounts, Jacob had Leah as his wife who begot four sons for him. When Leah noticed she had passed child-bearing age, she gave her maid – servant, Zilpah to Jacob to wife, and through Zilpah he had a son named Gad. Gad then bigot Eri, who later formed a clan known as Erites vide Genesis Chapter 30 verse 9; 46 verse 16 and Numbers chapter 26 verses 15-19. Eri was therefore amongst the twelve tribes of Israel via Gad.
During their stay in Egypt Eri became the high priest and spiritual adviser to Pharaoh Teti, the fifth dynastic king of Egypt around 2400 BC.
During the Exodus, which marked the beginning of the mass movement of the tribes of Israel, the tribe of Eri was amongst the tribe that left Egypt following the injunction from God to the Israelites (see Deuteronomy chapter 28 verses 58 – 68). Some of these tribes founded settlements in the southern part of Sudan, where they established the “Nok” culture, which is similar to that of other (sun Cult) culture, like Nri, Fiji, Samoa, and Jukun in the Northern part of Nigeria and elsewhere. But others who could not remain in the Southern Sudan traveled further South, some branched off to Jukun, in Northern part of Nigeria, others continued and arrived at the confluence of Rivers Niger and Anambara known as “Ezu-na-Ọmambala” and settled there while some veered off to the Island of Fiji in the South Pacific Ocean. An intelligence report notes that the Fijians have the same sun culture with the people of Nri. lolol woot. Whiteman and their shi.t Bottom Religion No wonder we were easliy conquered. I hope none of my Africans brothers and sisters belive this. |
Re: Igbos Are Not Descended From Israel by Rgp92: 8:19pm On Aug 06, 2011 |
ORIGIN:
NRI KINGDOM is the oldest Kingdom in Nigeria. It was founded around 900AD by the progenitor, Eri, the son of Gad. According to biblicalaccounts, Jacob had Leah as his wife who begot four sons for him. When Leah noticed she had passed child-bearing age, she gave her maid – servant, Zilpah to Jacob to wife, and through Zilpah he had a son named Gad. Gad then bigot Eri, who later formed a clan known as Erites vide Genesis Chapter 30 verse 9; 46 verse 16 and Numbers chapter 26 verses 15-19. Eri was therefore amongst the twelve tribes of Israel via Gad.
During their stay in Egypt Eri became the high priest and spiritual adviser to Pharaoh Teti, the fifth dynastic king of Egypt around 2400 BC.
During the Exodus, which marked the beginning of the mass movement of the tribes of Israel, the tribe of Eri was amongst the tribe that left Egypt following the injunction from God to the Israelites (see Deuteronomy chapter 28 verses 58 – 68). Some of these tribes founded settlements in the southern part of Sudan, where they established the “Nok” culture, which is similar to that of other (sun Cult) culture, like Nri, Fiji, Samoa, and Jukun in the Northern part of Nigeria and elsewhere. But others who could not remain in the Southern Sudan traveled further South, some branched off to Jukun, in Northern part of Nigeria, others continued and arrived at the confluence of Rivers Niger and Anambara known as “Ezu-na-Ọmambala” and settled there while some veered off to the Island of Fiji in the South Pacific Ocean. An intelligence report notes that the Fijians have the same sun culture with the people of Nri.
When Eri arrived at the confluence of “Ezu-na-Ọmambala” he had two wives, namely Nneamakụ and Oboli, Nneamakụ begot five children, namely (a) Nrifikwuanịm-Menri being the first son (b) Agụlụ (c) Ogbodudu (d) Onogu and (e) Iguedo the only daughter. Oboli begot Ọnọja, the only son who founded the Ịgala Kingdom in Kogi State. Meanwhile, Nri-Ifikwuanịm begot Agụkwu Nri, Enugwu-Ukwu, Enugwu-Agidi, Nọfịa, and Amọbia, while his brother Ogbodudu who later became Nrinaoke N’Ogbodudu had founded the Diodo Dynasty, while his brother Ezikannebo founded Akamkpịsị and Amanuke. Onogu Begot Ịgbariam, while Iguedo, the only daughter, begot Ogbunike, Ọkuzu, Nando, Ụmụleri, and Nteje, Known today as Ụmụ-Iguedo clan, while the former are better known as Ụmụ-Nri clan. According to Nri Oral tradition recently substantiated by archaeological findings of Ọraeri/Igbo-Ukwu objects, the unification of Agukwu, Diodo, and Akamkpịsị was enacted constitutionally during the beginning of reign of Nribụife (AD 1159 – 1252) who was the first Eze Nri to observe the Ịgụ-Arọ Festival as a pan – Igbo affair in 1160AD (Prof. M.A. Ọnwụejeọgwu 2003).
Nri-Ifikwuanịm took after his progenitor Eri, and became a high priest among his people. He left Agụleri in search of a better living place, according to Mr. M.D.W. Jeffreys report, and settled at present Nri site. He started performing what Eri did at Egypt, cleansing of abominations, giving titles such as prestigious Ọzọ title, to his people, proclaiming the New Year (Ịgụ-Arọ) etc.
ỊGỤ-ARỌ: Ịgụ-Arọ is an annual festival of the Nri people. It is during this festival that Eze Nri proclaims the New Year to all the Igbo communities under his jurisdiction, and he then announces the Nri calendar to the people. The Nri calendar is made up of thirteen (13) Lunar months namely:
(1) Ọnwa Mbụ (1st moon) starts from 3rd week in February each year.
(2) Ọnwa Abụa (2nd moon) March to April, (clearing and farming).
(3) Ọnwa Ife Eke (3rd moon) April to May (Ụganị or hunger period)
(4) Ọnwa Ana (4th moon) May to June (planting seed yams).
(5) Ọnwa Agwụ (5th moon) Ịgọchi and mmanwụ (Adult Masquerades) June-July.
(6) Ọnwa Ifejiọkụ (6th moon) Yam Ritual (Ifejiọkụ) July –August.
(7) Ọnwa Alọm Chi (7th moon) Yam Harvest (For Alụsị only) comes up August to early September.
(8 Ọnwa Ilo Mmụọ (8th moon) Ọnwa Asatọ festival (September ending).
(9) Ọnwa Ana (9th moon) Ana Ritual comes up in October.
(10) Ọnwa Okike (10th moon) Okike ritual takes place in early November.
(11) Ọnwa Ajana (11th moon) Okike ritual takes place in November ending.
(12) Ọnwa Ede Ajana (12th moon) comes up in ending of November to early December.
(13) Ọnwa Ụzọ Alụsị (13th moon) offering to Alụsị (early January to early February).
The Nri were great innovators in rituals, diplomacy, economy, administration, and management of a segmented and decentralized people. The Lunar system of calculating the year with a system of adjustment was known to the Nri priests of Alụsị Arọ and the knowledge of the movement of the heavenly bodies were employed in calculation the lunar year, according to Northcote Thomas (M.A. Frai) a British Government Anthropologist who served in Ọka District in the early 20th century, in 1910 he reported he got names from the following heavenly bodies at Nri-Pleiades, Orion and Great Bear. Therefore Nri elders had clear knowledge of these stars and others which helped them in calculating the intervals between each Lunar period and finding their directions during their sojourn from one Igbo Village to another in both the semi – forest and the forest zones.
During the Ịgụ-Arọ Festival, Eze Nri proclaims the New Year; he also distributes seed yams to the Igbo People and asked them to go home and farm. He tells the people that after his Ịgụ-Arọ, approximately within four days but certainly not more than three native weeks (Izu Anọ) “you will have the first rainfall, so after this rainfall you can go ahead to cultivate your crop”.
Eze – Nri introduced the cowrie currency (Ego ayo), and a sophisticated system of using cowrie as a medium of exchange and valuation was developed in the Igbo cultural area. The system of calculation and the table of conversion used in the Nri area in the late Nineteenth century were as follows:
1 Mkpụlụ Ego = 1 Cowrie
6 Mkpụlụ Ego = 6 Cowries = 1 isi ego
10 Isi Ego = 60 Cowries = 1 Ukwu
20 Ukwu = 1,200 Cowries = 1 Afịa
20 Afịa = 2,400 cowries = 1 Akpa ego or ili Afịa
10 Akpa (bags) = 240,000 cowries = Nnu Afịa.
Fowls and bags were valued in Ukwu, goats and sheep in Afịa, cows, slaves and land in ili Afịa. Bride wealth was negotiated in nnu, never to exceed four Nnu Afịa. Iron bars and rods, copper bars and rods and manilas were valued in terms of cowries. In order to facilitate carrying them around for transaction, cowries were strung together in rows of sixes and sewn permanently on mats in bundles of 6, 1,200, 24,000, and 240, 000. The mats were rolled, loose ones were tied in bags of 24,000 called akpa.
Prof. M. Angulu Onwuejeogwu equally reported the conversion of cowries to British currencies this way. At the beginning of the 19th century, the British introduced the pound, shillings and pence #, s. d. currency system. This new system was resisted in various ways. First a dual currency system was developed, traditional goods were sold in cowries and European goods in British currency. Later cowries could buy British currency and British currency could buy cowries. By a system of haggling, the exchange rate varied and was determined by several factors. As more European goods began to penetrate without replacement, the British currency backed by law, became dominant. In 1925, the following rate of exchange was still operating in many rural markets.
10 cowries = 1/2d (Half Penny)
20 cowries = 1d (One Penny)
60 cowries = 3d (Three Pence)
120 cowries = 6d (Six Pence)
240 cowries = 1/- (one shilling)
1200 cowries = 5/-(Five Shillings)
1400 cowries = ₤1 (one pound)
24,000 cowries = ₤5 (Five Pounds)
120,000 cowries = ₤25 (Twenty five pounds)
Having introduced trading and currency which was the cowrie system, and having worked out the rate of exchange to accommodate the British traders and their currency system, Eze Nri introduced a sort of local system for people with extra money to keep on this Prof. M. Angulu Onwuejeogwu 1981 writes:
In Nri, a rudimentary local banking system developed, during the slave trade period, men with strong buildings began to keep the cowries of other people in return for commission. Such men became very rich and were able to give a capital loan to persons who wished to begin a trading venture. No fixed rate of interest was paid, one had to haggle over the interest called Ọmụlụnwa on the principal, isi ego. Stock Exchange was introduced for the first time in Nri, for instance stock exchange was associated with Ọzọ title. In this system, a person who had belonged to one of the alliance groups called Ogwe Mmuo. The candidate for the title will purchase a total of Nine (9) shares known as “Ọfọ Itenanị”. The shares are known as “Ọfọ” the stall of immortality. The Ọzọ titled man will get his entitlements depending on the number of Ọfọ Ọzọ he has. An Ọzọ man with nine Ọfọ Ọzọ will be entitled to nine shares whenever a new person took the title and made payment. One could sell his Ọfọ, except three, within his Ọzọ group at a loss or profit, whenever he is in need of money. He could use his Ọfọ as security for a loan, the person giving the loan will take the shares allocated to the Ọfọ whenever payments of share were made until the capital and interest were paid back by the owner of the Ọfọ. If a man dies his male children will inherit the total Ọfọ Ọzọ and the allocated shares. Shares of Ọfọ Ọzọ lapses two years after the man’s death, it is known as ovunisi. The family of the dead Ọzọ man will continue to take all shares accruing from the Ọfọ Ọzọ left. The son could use one of the Ọfọ Ọzọ in taking his own Ọzọ title. If he did this he would continue to take shares accruing from his own Ọfọ and those inherited. If he has brothers, the Ọfọ Ọzọ of their father would be shared according to the law of inheritance in Nri. (Northcote W. Thomas, M.A, F.R.A.I) 1913.
The Ọfọ, the staff of immortality, ritual and political authority was converted into a type of security certificate. Nri used the ritual system to achieve economic enhancement via Stock Exchange. This cultural civilization was introduced to Igbo – land before the coming of the British Colonial Administration. Therefore, Nri bequeathed this highly civilized pattern of exchange to Igbo – land.
Eze – Nri introduced the four market days to the Igbo Land, namely Eke, Oye (Orie), Afọ and Nkwọ. In each of the communities where the Eze – Nri establishes these markets, he will keep one of his Alụsị (Deity at that market square, and leave one of his agents to take care of that Alụsị. The inhabitants of that community will pay allegiance to the Eze – Nri through that agent, especially during the Ịgụ – Arọ ceremony of Eze – Nri.
It is on record in Igbo land that Eze – Nri introduced agriculture in Igboland. He introduced yam, cocoyam, and other cash crops in Igbo – land. That is why at every Ịgụ – Arọ ceremony, His Majesty the Eze – Nri will share out seed – yams to the people present, to go and plant. This symbolizes the introduction of yam to the Igbo race. |
Re: Igbos Are Not Descended From Israel by otapiapia: 8:21pm On Aug 06, 2011 |
^^^
Are the jews of biblical times white? What has the whiteman got to do with this? |
Re: Igbos Are Not Descended From Israel by Rgp92: 8:24pm On Aug 06, 2011 |
otapiapia:
^^^
Are the jews of biblical times white? What has the whiteman got to do with this?
nono i dont belive anything of this to be true. The whiteman conquered us mostly through our religion. Anyway, do you really belive this is true? :x |
Re: Igbos Are Not Descended From Israel by AndreUweh(m): 8:26pm On Aug 06, 2011 |
Rgp92:
lolol woot. Whiteman and their shi.t Bottom Religion No wonder we were easliy conquered. I hope none of my Africans brothers and sisters belive this.
I do not really know what groups you mean. As for Ndigbo, they were not easily conquered by the imperialists. Up till 1929, Igbo men and women were still at war with the British. In 1914, it was the British against Western Igbo communities, in 1902, it was against the Aro, in 1905, it was against Ezza etc. Am sure you do not mean that the Igbo were easily conquered. |
Re: Igbos Are Not Descended From Israel by Rgp92: 8:34pm On Aug 06, 2011 |
Andre Uweh:
I do not really know what groups you mean. As for Ndigbo, they were not easily conquered by the imperialists. Up till 1929, Igbo men and women were still at war with the British. In 1914, it was the British against Western Igbo communities, in 1902, it was against the Aro, in 1905, it was against Ezza etc. Am sure you do not mean that the Igbo were easily conquered.
Lol. Most of the ethnical groups in African were easily conquered. They only group that gave the whiteman a really fight was zulu of SA, Ashanti of ghana and the Ethopias. |
Re: Igbos Are Not Descended From Israel by Rgp92: 8:47pm On Aug 06, 2011 |
no no I'm not a tribalist i love Igbo people, so dont get me wrong. What im trying to say is that we Africans should stop calming what we aint. And what is good about jew ? most of the thing written in the old and new testamen was a ripoff from other religion that exist at that time. |
Re: Igbos Are Not Descended From Israel by AndreUweh(m): 8:59pm On Aug 06, 2011 |
Rgp92:
no no I'm not a tribalist i love Igbo people, so dont get me wrong. What im trying to say is that we Africans should stop calming what we aint. And what is good about jew ? most of the thing written in the old and new testamen was a ripoff from other religion that exist at that time.
The Igbo because of our decentralization were not easily conquered. I will go on and on if you like. We were the last group to fall in West Africa. From 1886-1929, go and figure. |
Re: Igbos Are Not Descended From Israel by Rgp92: 9:03pm On Aug 06, 2011 |
Andre Uweh:
The Igbo because of our decentralization were not easily conquered. I will go on and on if you like. We were the last group to fall in West Africa. From 1886-1929, go and figure.
If you say so then, i agreed with you you probably know more than me about Igbos |
Re: Igbos Are Not Descended From Israel by NegroNtns(m): 12:00am On Aug 08, 2011 |
Andre,
Please name the wars you fought with the British and the years.
Can this be independently verified? |
Re: Igbos Are Not Descended From Israel by Chyz2: 12:22am On Aug 08, 2011 |
Negro_Ntns:
Andre,
Please name the wars you fought with the British and the years.
Can this be independently verified?
I give the war and the years we Aniomas(Western Igbos) fought against the British: The war is called "Aya Ekumeku" (The Ekumeku War). It lasted from 1883-1914 <---31 years! http://weaponsgrade.net/ekumeku-war-of-the-anioma-people/ The way we organized ourselves was incredible. Bring out ya popcorn and enjoy |
Re: Igbos Are Not Descended From Israel by ezeagu(m): 12:30am On Aug 08, 2011 |
Google must be down. |
Re: Igbos Are Not Descended From Israel by NegroNtns(m): 1:14am On Aug 08, 2011 |
Eze,
I guess so 'cos your historian, Andre is yet to come up with response. |
Re: Igbos Are Not Descended From Israel by Obiagu1(m): 5:49pm On Aug 08, 2011 |
^^^ This silly thing. Why do you run around in every Igbo thread?
Is it lack of job or sickness?
You remind me about one lunatic, bkbabe. The passion you display is more a sign of sickness. You're not Igbo and can never be Igbo. Since you've displayed your hatred for them, why not avoid the threads of people you dislike instead of sleeping on Igbo theads 24/7. |
Re: Igbos Are Not Descended From Israel by AndreUweh(m): 9:00pm On Aug 08, 2011 |
Negro_Ntns:
Andre,
Please name the wars you fought with the British and the years.
Can this be independently verified?
Apart from the Ekumeku wars, you have heared about Aro-British wars which had been projected as the war to end all wars in the Igbo area proved to be only the beginning. In the event military expeditions far from being the exception virtually became the rule. The War against the Aro ended in March 1902. But before the end of the year it had become neccessary to mount two expeditions against Igbo groups who were supposed to have been conquered along with the Aro. The first was against the Olokoro clan of Umuahia, and the second against Afikpo and Umunneoha in 1903. Then came Akwete Patrol and the grand Onitsha Hinterland Expedition in 1904. In 1905, The Ezza, the Ovoro, NONYA, Onicha and Ahiara were defeated. Two years later Isikwuato, Urualla, Etche, Ntarakpu and Isiagu were fought and conquered. The years 1908, 1909, 1910, 1911, 1912 and 1914 saw scores of military units fighting and subduing various vuillages and settlements which still regard themselves as independent of the British. Eleven such expeditions were mounted in 1915. By 1917, troops of the protectorate were still marching up and down Igboland conquering violent, and overawing passive resisters. Now NegroNTS, Shut up forever. |
Re: Igbos Are Not Descended From Israel by AndreUweh(m): 9:21pm On Aug 08, 2011 |
You may read more from Prof Adiele. E. Afigbo: The Eastern Provinces Under Colonial Rule. |