Without colonialism Africa would still be in the stone age/iron age hunting with spears and living in mud huts.

Well, i guess we may never know.

somehow, I love the Idea of living in the old Africa before the pinkies colonized it.

The people who built stone henge in England 5,000 years ago in the bronze age were more advanced than most of Sub-sahran Africa before 1882.

I very much doubt you would have advanced technologically or socially very far.

Africans are hypocrites for moaning about how the white man brought all Africa's ills and woes through colonialism, yet why is it every country in Africa aspires to ape modern Western European society today.

Look at the Australian Aboriginals, they were disconnected from the rest of human civilization for 40,000 years and they were still in the stone age 200 years ago when the white man came along.

The parts of Africa untouched by Arab or European civilization were not dissimilar to the very late stone age in Europe.

You white nationalists slay me.

1. There is nothing about white people that is superior to non-whites. Nothing.

2. It's funny how you idiots never mention the amount of Africans killed and enslaved by European colonialists. I guess you just like patting yourselves on the back for conquering and killing natives throughout the world.

3. What makes you think the Australian Aboriginals, Africans, Native American Indians, and others did not have a civilization? You never heard of the societies Africans had and American Indians had? You know, people who like believing they're superior often have self-esteem issues.

4. Why is it you people have little to no knowledge about world history and act ahistorical? Should I list all the wars and conflicts started by Europeans mostly against Europeans in Europe? Because the majority of the wars and conflicts that existed were started by Europeans.

5. I always hear folks like you say things like "keep Muslims out" or "keep Mexicans out" or "keep blacks out." Well, I guess you should've stayed in Europe if you didn't want these folks in "your lands."

I'm done for now, little man, but I'll be on the lookout.

Ignorance is indeed a disease!

Great civilizations (Egypt, Nubia et all) thrived in Africa for thousands of years before the first European wore a shoe or left his/her cave dwellings. As a matter of fact, the Europeans are the last race to join the 'esteemed club' called Civilization. They are still battling with this fact till this day and they've not recovered, hence the urge to White-wash everything they come across.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAW4XpCgvY4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8P36dynyU4

You dont know anything about African. Just shut your stvpid mouth.

I said sub-saharan black Africa, not Egypt, clearly ancient Egypt was more advanced than Europe at the time. The parts of Africa that did not come into contact with either Arab or European civilization were very much part of a much earlier late hunter-gatherer/very early agricultural societies that existed circa 8,000 years ago and had not changed much since. some African societies incorporated elements of later Iron culture, yet retained stone age aspects and still do today ( such as tribal scarification, voodoo, witchcraft, and animism).

There are disparities in the development of different sub-Saharan African cultures and societies, but by enlarge they had not got far beyond the very early Iron age.

Whatever the case was, the fact of the matter is that nowadays African countries are attempting to create a Western/European style society and aspire to imitate European/Western culture of today.

The very concept and notion of a modern  nation-state as opposed to a tribal kingdom or a city-state is a European one. The African nation-states were carved out on a map during the congress of Berlin in 1882 by Western European powers. The concept of a collective  national identity is a European one, The judiciary, The modern education system, the transport system, basic sanitation and drainage are all European imports to Africa.

The very concept of being Nigerian was created by Britain as opposed to Yoruba, Hausa or Igbo.

D only things superior about whites over non are their tendercy to mark,pillage,acquire,destroy,impose and conquer. Greed and fundamental igorance that have so much become a part of them that they beginning to think it is sanity and superiority in their shallow twisted mind

@ redsun if you hate white people so much why did you move to England?

I do not hate white people,i am not in d hate game with u. A mentally uncolonized blackman dont hate,that is why we are the soul of the earth. We are not any form of competition with rat racers like oyinbos who are fast on their heels on the road to nowhere- ignorance

Yeah we know how you white dirty s.h.i.tty utha.f.u.kers raped pillaged and STOLE the resources from the Congo, oh wait, you white DEVILS are still doing it as I type.

You nasty disease FILLED mofos should worship at the feet of CHINA!

you see china (and everybody else) FAIR traded with you white LUCIFERS.
It was china's gunpowder that Europeans got their hands on that you morally bankrupt heathens used to subject invade and pillage africa.
Moral of the story, every country not white that trades with you demons, you come back and use the technology from china to INVADE them and TAKE their resources.

You beyotches aint nothing special, you just know how to use EVIL better than everybody on the planet, thats all

Hertsnite:

Without colonialism Africa would still be in the stone age/iron age hunting with spears and living in mud huts.

We hear this from every uneducated, uncultured person that has wasted life and talent on drugs and gin. The shocking truth is about the savagery they visited on Africa is below:

Severed hands

Congolese labourers who failed to meet rubber collection quotas were often punished by having their hands cut off.
Failure to meet the rubber collection quotas was punishable by death. Meanwhile, the Force Publique were required to provide a hand of their victims as proof when they had shot and killed someone, as it was believed that they would otherwise use the munitions (imported from Europe at considerable cost) for hunting food. As a consequence, the rubber quotas were in part paid off in chopped-off hands. Sometimes the hands were collected by the soldiers of the Force Publique, sometimes by the villages themselves. There were even small wars where villages attacked neighbouring villages to gather hands, since their rubber quotas were too unrealistic to fill.

One junior white officer described a raid to punish a village that had protested. The white officer in command 'ordered us to cut off the heads of the men and hang them on the village palisades , and to hang the women and the children on the palisade in the form of a cross.'[10] After seeing a Congolese person killed for the first time, a Danish missionary wrote: 'The soldier said "Don't take this to heart so much. They kill us if we don't bring the rubber. The Commissioner has promised us if we have plenty of hands he will shorten our service."'[11] In Forbath's words:

The baskets of severed hands, set down at the feet of the European post commanders, became the symbol of the Congo Free State. , The collection of hands became an end in itself. Force Publique soldiers brought them to the stations in place of rubber; they even went out to harvest them instead of rubber, They became a sort of currency. They came to be used to make up for shortfalls in rubber quotas, to replace, the people who were demanded for the forced labour gangs; and the Force Publique soldiers were paid their bonuses on the basis of how many hands they collected.

In theory, each right hand proved a killing. In practice, soldiers sometimes "cheated" by simply cutting off the hand and leaving the victim to live or die. More than a few survivors later said that they had lived through a massacre by acting dead, not moving even when their hands were severed, and waiting till the soldiers left before seeking help. In some instances a soldier could shorten his service term by bringing more hands than the other soldiers, which led to widespread mutilations and dismemberment.

Death toll

Estimates of the deaths during the period of Leopold's control vary considerably. The reduction of the population of the Congo was noted by all who have compared the country at the beginning of the Free State's rule and the beginning of Belgian rule in 1908. Estimates of contemporary observers, as well as some modern scholars (such as Jan Vansina, professor emeritus of history and anthropology at the University of Wisconsin), suggest that the population decreased by half during this period.[12] Others dispute this; the scholars at the Royal Museum for Central Africa in Tervuren, Belgium, find a decrease of 15% over the first forty years of colonial rule (up to the census of 1924).

According to British diplomat Roger Casement, this depopulation had four main causes: "indiscriminate war", starvation, reduction of births and diseases.[13] Sleeping sickness ravaged the country and was used by the regime to account for demographic decrease. Opponents of King Leopold's rule stated, however, that the administration itself was to be considered responsible for the spreading of the epidemic.[14] One of the greatest specialists on sleeping sickness, P.G. Janssens, Professor at the Ghent University, wrote:[citation needed]

It seems reasonable to admit the existence on the territories of the Congo Free State, of French Congo and Angola of a certain number of permanent sources that have been put again in activity by the brutal changement of ancestral conditions and ways of life that has accompanied the occupation of the territories.

In the absence of a census (the first was taken in 1924) to provide even an opening figure,[15] it is impossible to quantify population changes in the period. Despite this, Forbath claimed the loss was at least 5 million;[16] Adam Hochschild, and Isidore Ndaywel è Nziem, 10 million;[17][18] the Encyclopædia Britannica[citation needed] and Fredric Wertham's 1966 book "A Sign For Cain: An Exploration of Human Violence"[19] estimate that the population of the Congo dropped from 30 million to 8 and 8.5 million, respectively, in that period. However no verifiable records exist. Louis and Stengers state that population figures at the start of Leopold's control are only "wild guesses", while calling E.D. Morel's attempt and others at coming to a figure for population losses as "but figments of the imagination".[20] To put these population changes in context sourced references state that in 1900, Africa had between 90 million [21] and 133 million people [22].

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congo_Free_State

Civilisers?





Skin colour is skin-deep.

Egyptians were basically Ethiopians who migrated to that land when they traveled up the Nile river.  People need to read a history book.  The Egyptians and the Ethiopians used the same technology.  If you go to London you will see a structure called Cleopatra's needle.  Cleopatra's Needle is the popular name for each of three Ancient Egyptian obelisks re-erected in London, Paris, and New York City during the nineteenth century. The London and New York ones are a pair, while the Paris one comes from a different original site where its twin remains.    There is also an Obelisk in ethiopia.  The Obelisk of Axum (today, especially in Axum, also called the Rome Stele) is a 1,700-year-old, 24-metres (78-foot) tall granite stele/obelisk, weighing 160 tonnes, in the city of Axum in Ethiopia. It is decorated with two false doors at the base, and decorations resembling windows on all sides. The "obelisk" ends in a semicircular top part, which used to be enclosed by metal frames.

Both of these ancient civilization probably carved those stones using piezoelectricity.  Piezoelectricity is a method of applying mechanical force to a stone or crystal which results in electricity.

The ancient Egyptian/Ethiopian empire used a certain
form of electricity that was generated and distributed by
pyramids. It is different than modern electricity in that the
modern type is a low form of electricity that requires
transmission wires.
All the substances of the universe have a range or
spectrum of frequencies. You are familiar with the most
common spectrum - that of light. Scientists have named the
extremes that they know of this, calling them infrared and
ultraviolet. That means if you look at the seven colors of the
rainbow, starting with red then orange then yellow, green,
blue, indigo, and violet, then the light spectrum starts from
below red (infrared) and goes all the way to beyond violet
(ultraviolet).
Similarly the other forms of matter also have a range.
Solid matter comes in a range of solidity, from soft solids like
lead to very hard ones like diamond. Liquids also have a
range, starting with thin liquids like pure alcohol or
substances such as benzene, to thick liquids like gels. This is
true for all the seven forms of matter through the gases to
the ether, light, electricity, and magnetism.
Modern generated electricity is a lower-spectrum type,
barely above static electricity (the type that makes your
clothes cling). The ancients used a higher form of electricity
that did not require wires for transmission. It was transmitted
directly in the ether (i.e. in space) the same way radio
waves are transmitted. It was transmitted to the temples,
which served, among other things, as receiving stations. So
the temples had antennas used to receive the transmission.
These antennas can still be seen today erected in front of
some of the temples. Modern people call them obelisks.
There is one near you in Central park, New York that was
stolen by Americans from one of the temples, and many
more that were stolen by Europeans, perhaps the most
famous one being the one called Cleopatra's needle.
Now, the ancients had great reverence for technology.
To them it was a gift of nature coming directly from the
Gods. So they did not
treat it as casually as modern people do. Today everyone in
western countries has access to electricity, including
batteries, and they use it casually. There is no reverence
whatsoever for this gift of the Gods. The ancients used it
only when necessary, including it in the appropriate rituals,
and only for projects that were for the benefit of the
general society rather than individuals. Other than that they
went about their business the usual way, using ordinary
hand tools.
For this reason modern archeologists claim that the
ancients did not have the knowledge of high technology
such as electricity because they see the ancient Egyptians
going about their business using hand tools and physical
labor most of the time. Yet, there are many instances where
they have seen the manufacture of certain implements
such as stone coffins that were obviously made using some
kind of high-speed machinery. They dismiss these instances
as exceptions, and so never mention them in their studies
and reports. There are many sculptures and other pieces of
art found that are made of very hard stones such as diorite,
including vases with very thin walls, narrow necks and wide
bottoms. When they look at them, it's quite obvious that
they could not possibly have been made by hand. They
were certainly made using some kind of rotary machine
that required electricity. These are the kinds of items that
they bury in the basements of their museums because they
do not fit their theories and explanation concerning the
level of ancient technology.

Researchers at Cornell University have designed a vibrational wind turbine that can operate silently on rooftops. A variation on this idea is the Piezo-tree, a structure in which a piezo stem is covered with synthetic leaves. As the leaves flap in a breeze, they generate electricity, which can then be used by homes and businesses. Several models of the Piezo-tree have been tested successfully and scientists are currently working toward finding the best design and materials to optimize energy output.

ancient Egyptians were not black

Hertsnite:

ancient Egyptians were not black

Apologies to those making futile attempts to educate you, but I can't even see how that is any of your concern. I'm sure you would rather be out drinking until you collapse, or rioting, or getting nicked for sundry antisocial acts. God knows the premier league has kicked off, so there's fresh attractions for yobs like you, sir.

What would a mere thug do with knowlegde of ancient Egypt? It has nothing to do with burglary and jail time.

ancient egyptians WERE ALL BLACK, THEY WERE BLACK AS SPADES. this goes to show how illiterate and braindead your p.u.s.s colored flat a.z.s. is.

It was the constant invasions by assyrians.greeks.romans.persians. and a host of FAIR SKINNED arabs a/k/a asians that settled in egypt that CHANGED the complexion of egypt.

look at the sculptures, egyptians began knocking the noses off their older ruins and sculptures because they reflected blackness.

how else could you white evil bastards justify your enslaving of black people? you said africans had no history for centuries. Yet anthropology have showned that blacks kept moving away from p.u.s.s.colored invaders deeper into africa's interior to get away from you warlike heathens, thus you took over the northern coast of africa.

blackness is still there, you can never WASH it out, You CAN wash out whiteness, look at barack obama, do you see a white woman in him?

Why is this thread not in racism section? This deluded topic has nothing. to do with foreign or current affairs . We know their some mad oyinbo dogs are still deluding about atlantis being real just to counter the fact that all they know today as innovative civilization was copied from Africa. And they did not just copied it,they pillaged,looted and deliberately destroyed it so that the nest generation of afrians will think that civilization started with abrahim,moses.jesus.muhammad.ceasar.alexander and the rest of those rampaging animals that turn out to be their heroes and those that set the moral and ethical foundation in which their civilization is built on today.

without colonialism britain would have been a third world cesspit, you seem to have forgotten how your country men were living as recently as the 1930s, remember this was before Lord Beveridge introduced the national health service and the social welfare safety net which has prevented so many of your people from ending up as beggars, pros.titutes and thiefs.  You should try reading "down and out in london and paris" - a book written by one of your authors - george orwell.  In that book he described how the vast majority of men and women  in your country were tramps and destitutes who were forced to wander up and down the country in rags pleading and begging for work and pieces of bread - in order to get something to eat they had to go to what is known as a work house which was like a prison, they were kept overnight in these work houses in dirty, freezing cold rooms and then fed with a piece of bread and some soup after which they were rounded up and taken out to work in the fields as labourers, the women were given other menial jobs to do like cleaning and washing of clothes.  This is why so many of your country men took the opportunity given to them by the british govt to run away to australia, new zealand and south africa where they ended up murdering or oppressing the indigenous people  and stealing their land and natural  resources.

The natural resources stolen from other nations of the world  is what has made britain one of the richest countries in the world - britain does not have an abundance of natural resources and prior to colonialism was overpopulated, poverty and desperation is what made your ancestors decide to explore beyond your wretched country, it was nothing to do with a sense of adventure it was pure desperation, you literally were dying of starvation in your country.  Even when your explorers brought back wealth it did not trickle down to the poor instead only the aristocrats enjoyed the wealth, your ruling class treated the lower social classes like garbage and still do till today.

The ruling elite did not want a revolution in britain (like the one that happened in france and russia) and thats why they compromised by creating the welfare state, they were and still are afraid of the working class who make up 80% of the population in britain.  Britain is one of the most unequal countries in the world, in britain the class you were born into is usually the one you end up dying in - social mobility is very limited and now that cameron and his fellow old etonians have made education beyond the reach of the poor by increasing university fees, the gap between the rich and the poor will widen at a much faster rate.

So get it right mate, colonialism is what prevented YOU from living the life of a beggar and tramp not the other way around.

Che Guevara in 1964, also made it unequivocally clear that “to solve the problems now besetting mankind, there is need to eliminate completely the exploitation of the dependent countries by the developed capitalist countries.

Like Rodney, Fanon blames the diametrical relationship existing between Africa and Europe entirely on colonialism. Says Fanon, “the well-being and progress of Europe have been built on the sweat and dead bodies of negroes….” And Fanon did not mince words when he made a strong claim that “Europe is Africa’s creation.” To Fanon therefore, the colonized man only “finds freedom in and through violence.” In the course of this struggle, Fanon warns that the native should be prepared to “…sacrifice everything and water their native soil with their blood.” He further cautioned seriously that as a strategy in this struggle, the native can accept a “compromise with colonialism, but never a surrender of principle.”


Did the coming of independence halt the specter of violence in Africa? Or put in other words, has independence met the expectations of Africans who fought for and eagerly awaited this “wind of Change?” The answer to this question is found on the faces of millions of African children who are either born with disease, or turned refugees or orphans at infancy. It is found on the faces of African youths with bleeding feet on the sands of the Sahara as they make their way to Europe where persecution, prejudice and deportation await them. The answer is found on the faces of millions of Africans caught in the crossfire of civil wars and armed conflicts, genocide and state brutality. Who else can tell the true meaning of independence than those Africans caught in the claws of AIDS, malaria, hunger, mismanagement and corruption? What should the peasants of Africa say of independence when they survive on what Fidel Castro calls “starvation salaries?”
When Europe granted flag independence to Africa, the new breed of European spokesmen in the name of Presidents saw no need to severe the colonial bond. Mr. leon M’ba of Gabon could claim with impunity that “Gabon is independent, but between Gabon and France nothing has changed.” His counterpart in the Ivory Coast, Houghouet Boigny had earlier opposed independence for Africa at the Bamako Conference insisting that “there is no national problem in Black Africa.” The successors of M’ba and Boigny are the current leaders of Africa. This is the bunch Fanon calls “the straw men and traveling salesmen of colonialism.”

cap28:

without colonialism britain would have been a third world cesspit, you seem to have forgotten how your country men were living as recently as the 1930s, remember this was before Lord Beveridge introduced the national health service and the social welfare safety net which has prevented so many of your people from ending up as beggars, pros.titutes and thiefs.  You should try reading "down and out in london and paris" - a book written by one of your authors - george orwell.  In that book he described how the vast majority of men and women  in your country were tramps and destitutes who were forced to wander up and down the country in rags pleading and begging for work and pieces of bread - in order to get something to eat they had to go to what is known as a work house which was like a prison, they were kept overnight in these work houses in dirty, freezing cold rooms and then fed with a piece of bread and some soup after which they were rounded up and taken out to work in the fields as labourers, the women were given other menial jobs to do like cleaning and washing of clothes.  This is why so many of your country men took the opportunity given to them by the british govt to run away to australia, new zealand and south africa where they ended up murdering or oppressing the indigenous people  and stealing their land and natural  resources.

The natural resources stolen from other nations of the world  is what has made britain one of the richest countries in the world - britain does not have an abundance of natural resources and prior to colonialism was overpopulated, poverty and desperation is what made your ancestors decide to explore beyond your wretched country, it was nothing to do with a sense of adventure it was pure desperation, you literally were dying of starvation in your country.  Even when your explorers brought back wealth it did not trickle down to the poor instead only the aristocrats enjoyed the wealth, your ruling class treated the lower social classes like garbage and still do till today.

The ruling elite did not want a revolution in britain (like the one that happened in france and russia) and thats why they compromised by creating the welfare state, they were and still are afraid of the working class who make up 80% of the population in britain.  Britain is one of the most unequal countries in the world, in britain the class you were born into is usually the one you end up dying in - social mobility is very limited and now that cameron and his fellow old etonians have made education beyond the reach of the poor by increasing university fees, the gap between the rich and the poor will widen at a much faster rate.

So get it right mate, colonialism is what prevented YOU from living the life of a beggar and tramp not the other way around.

cap your my kind of man you know your history , `Have you read frantz fanons wretched of the earth

cap28:



The ruling elite did not want a revolution in britain (like the one that happened in france and russia) and thats why they compromised by creating the welfare state, they were and still are afraid of the working class who make up 80% of the population in britain.  Britain is one of the most unequal countries in the world, in britain the class you were born into is usually the one you end up dying in - social mobility is very limited and now that cameron and his fellow old etonians have made education beyond the reach of the poor by increasing university fees, the gap between the rich and the poor will widen at a much faster rate.

So get it right mate, colonialism is what prevented YOU from living the life of a beggar and tramp not the other way around.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You are on point here, that the only reason for the welfare state for if it did not exist
the masses in the UK would have raised up and attempted to do away with the elite and thier
social structure

without aparthied south africa would not be the richest country in africa today

Hertsnite:

without aparthied south africa would not be the richest country in africa today

Without Africans there would be no Europeans

yes, you'er right Europeans quite possibly originated in Africa a very long time ago,but  the fact of the matter is we kept on developing beyond 3000 bc and the fact of the matter is that today most african countries aspire to become modern western European style societies

Hertsnite:

yes, you'er right Europeans quite possibly originated in Africa a very long time ago,but  the fact of the matter is we kept on developing beyond 3000 bc and the fact of the matter is that today most african countries aspire to become modern western European style societies

Thats impossible because Christianity is an African religion, it was duplicated by Europeans just like Rock music, rock and roll, house music etc - or do you think that The stones, the beatles and elvis would exist without black people? lol! we are the original people and always will be; thats why an African can have a White child but a European can NEVER have a black child you do not have enough Melanin. European blindness is the fuel the African revival rocket needs to take off stay tuned.

lol Christianity started in israel, last i check that was in the middle east not africa.

and for all the above reasons europeans and white oppressors and their agents should be destroyed. and you wonder why arabs tie bombs to themselves to get at yt.

if this planet go up in nuclear flames, i wouldnt give a fugg, because these low rent and moraless
white muthafuggers are NEVER going to relenquish power.

Power must be Taken

Hertsnite:

lol Christianity started in israel, last i check that was in the middle east not africa.

lol! you are not on my level and i know you want me to educate you but I want you to stay ignorant; one last lesson the ORIGINAL Israelites were from AFRICA, todays jews are from? lol! Once you find the REAL answer then you will know that I was correct.

you make me lol the jews were from Africa, what next? the Chinese are from the congo? lmao The irish are from Benin? lol

Hertsnite:

you make me lol the jews were from Africa, what next? the Chinese are from the congo? lmao The irish are from Benin? lol

[size=15pt]lol! you are not on my level and i know you want me to educate you but I want you to stay ignorant; one last lesson the ORIGINAL Israelites were from AFRICA, todays jews are from? lol! Once you find the REAL answer then you will know that I was correct.[/size]

nolongTing:

[size=15pt]lol! you are not on my level and i know you want me to educate you but I want you to stay ignorant; one last lesson the ORIGINAL Israelites were from AFRICA, todays jews are from? lol! Once you find the REAL answer then you will know that I was correct.[/size]

Let me help.Hey teddy boy,they are oyinbos(europeans from europe)