~Lady~:

Forgive us for remembering Christ's passion.

That passion was 2000yrs ago. Too many people "remembering Christ's passion" but completely missing the whole essence of that passion at all. Catholics dont believe in being Born Again . . . a clear concept Christ taught in John 3 and yet cry about remembering passions. What a waste of time.

That passion was 2000yrs ago. Too many people "remembering Christ's passion" but completely missing the whole essence of that passion at all. Catholics don't believe in being Born Again . . . a clear concept Christ taught in John 3 and yet cry about remembering passions. What a waste of time.

Uh wrong we do believe in being born again. We have a rebirth in baptism.

Baptism

Because of original sin, we are born without grace in our souls, so there is no way for us to have fellowship with God. Jesus became man to bring us into union with his Father. He said no one can enter the Kingdom of God unless he is first born of "water and spirit" (John 3:5) - this refers to baptism.

Through baptism we are born again, but this time on a spiritual level instead of a physical level. We are washed in the bath of rebirth (Titus 3:5). We are baptized into Christ's death and therefore share in his Resurrection (Rom 6:3-7).

Baptism cleanses us of sins and brings the Holy Spirit and his grace into our souls (Acts 2:38, 22:16).
And the apostle Peter is perhaps the most blunt of all: "Baptism now saves you" (1Peter 3:21). Baptism is the gateway into the Church.

Look I have told you many times to please know what the Church teaches before you start passing a verdict on it. I would have more respect for you if you actually know what you're standing against.

Are we back to 101 questions? Is it too hard to say you have no answer to a question? and what's "some" RCC charismatics? Even the Rcc charismatics are sectionalised? lol lol lol.
I should get my money back for failing to answer your stupid irrelevant question? you're so laughably pathetic.

Is this your way of saying that you will be asking for your money back from your education

Kindly point out where i as much as hinted that you should leave the RCC, please. The topic says you guys are idol worshippers and i've stuck with that line of reasoning. maybe wandered a bit, but never told you how (or who) to worship. I never asked you to stop doing the idolatory. you are the one who has repeatedly tried to lump me with you "christians".
i said it before, whatever makes you happy, do it. You can go back and check.Sister, enjoy ok. stay loose

lying isn't good. go back and read your posts. you know what you said and where you said it, if you don't remember go to a doctor you might have amnesia.

this is d voice of the one crying in the wilderness make the path of Lord straight
His coming is near and there is no other way to the father except thru" His son and any other way even "their blessed virgin mary" leads to hell
they beta get that into their thick skull
leadin innocent people astray
maybe all members in the house go and read this book
BABYLON, THE MYSTERY RELIGION
ITS AN EXPOSITION ON CATHOLICISM
CHRIST IS COMING SOONER THAN U EXPECT

@ ~Lady~

eeya. I truly feel sorry for you. I honestly feel like i'm harrassing you now, so this is my last post. i promise. your replies have been (mercifully) reduced to whimpering pointless midgets. You seem to be getting off about my education now too. Good for you.
I think YOU urgently need to see a psychiatrist (assuming you are not seeing one already). It's an emergency. I repeat, i never asked you to leave RCC. If for no other reason, as a Roman Catholic apologist you are doing a very good job showing every sane person why they should run away from your "lying" set-up.

Shalom

@chrisbenogor
Faulty arithmetic. 99.99 + 0.003 = ?

@chrisbenogor

I don't really get your meaning. I thought you were an atheist?

BABYLON THE MYSTERY RELIGION
I CAN VOLUNTEER TO LEND IT TO ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO BE UNSHACKLED FROM THE TYRANNY OF CATHOLICISM



ITS A BOOK WRITTEN WITH FACTS

@d-baptist

this is d voice of the one crying in the wilderness make the path of Lord straight
His coming is near and there is no other way to the father except through" His son and any other way even "their blessed virgin mary" leads to hell
they beta get that into their thick skull
leadin innocent people astray
maybe all members in the house go and read this book
BABYLON, THE MYSTERY RELIGION
ITS AN EXPOSITION ON CATHOLICISM
CHRIST IS COMING SOONER THAN U EXPECT

My guy, I guess you didn't get the message. The Catholic Church has been preaching the Lordship of Jesus Christ for 2000 years. Take dat your book waka, I'm sure its filled with anti-catholic rhetoric and based on half-assed scholarship.

@ ~Lady~

eeya. I truly feel sorry for you. I honestly feel like i'm harrassing you now, so this is my last post. i promise. your replies have been (mercifully) reduced to whimpering pointless midgets. You seem to be getting off about my education now too. Good for you.
I think YOU urgently need to see a psychiatrist (assuming you are not seeing one already). It's an emergency. I repeat, i never asked you to leave RCC. If for no other reason, as a Roman Catholic apologist you are doing a very good job showing every sane person why they should run away from your "lying" set-up.

Shalom

@chrisbenogor
Faulty arithmetic. 99.99 + 0.003 = ?

If this is what you have to do to make yourself feel better, then so be it. It was nice chatting with ya.

@carmelily
I approximated do the math yourself then, what is the probability that one sect of christianity is right. Tell me your answer.

Chrisbenogor:

@carmelily
I approximated do the math yourself then, what is the probability that one sect of christianity is right. Tell me your answer.

If you've been reading my posts, you'd know my answer is 0. 0 probability. That's the sad, stark truth.

Sects and Christianity are a contradiction in terms. Just don't go together. But then I mean true Christianity, not the kind(s) we've been talking about here.

carmelily:

If you've been reading my posts, you'd know my answer is 0. 0 probability. That's the sad, stark truth.

Sects and Christianity are a contradiction in terms. Just don't go together. But then I mean true Christianity, not the kind(s) we've been talking about here.

What is true Christianity then?
Why do you Believe in God?
What is the nature of the God you believe in?

Chrisbenogor:

Why do you Believe in God?
What is the nature of the God you believe in?

It would be interesting if you could share your answers to those two questions.

Chrisbenogor:

What is true Christianity then?
Why do you Believe in God?
What is the nature of the God you believe in?

1. True Christianity to me, is Christ-likeness. It means doing what Christ would do, living by His teaching. He never started "Organised Religion". He is not the "founder" of Christianity. He never advocated "sects". The Early Church wasn't in sects or "denominations". It's just not biblical or Christ-like. Like i've been saying all these sects do not have the same (or even SIMILAR doctrines). God is not the author of confusion. That's not Christ-like (or Christian). I say "sects" and "Christianity" are contradiction in terms because the Church should be the BODY (not bodies) of Christ.

When Christ talked about 2 or 3 people being gathered in His name, he didn't mean sects. The Early Church Modus Operandi proves that. I still believe the Early Church's MO is the true Christianity. And I do fellowship with like minds and we practise that. I don't have to belong to any "sect" to be Christ-like.

2. I believe in God because He is real to me. I have been able to arrive at a spiritual consciousness that has personalised God for me. I know you are an atheist and may think i'm not making any sense. But that's my answer to your question.

3. The God i believe in is a God of love and mercy. That's His nature.

I hope i answered your questions even if they are not the kind of answers you want to hear. So what is the atheist viewpoint on your questions?

1. True Christianity to me, is Christ-likeness. It means doing what Christ would do, living by His teaching. He never started "Organised Religion". He is not the "founder" of Christianity. He never advocated "sects". The Early Church wasn't in sects or "denominations". It's just not biblical or Christ-like. Like i've been saying all these sects do not have the same (or even SIMILAR doctrines). God is not the author of confusion. That's not Christ-like (or Christian). I say "sects" and "Christianity" are contradiction in terms because the Church should be the BODY (not bodies) of Christ

This is what the Catholic Church has been saying for centuries. There is only one body and not bodies of Christ, in one body you have unity, under one head, all working together in one belief. You just described the Catholic faith. There was only one body of Christ until Luther started denominations. This is why I continually say the Catholic Church is not a denomination.
When you speak of the early Christians you speak of the Catholic faith, they too are Catholic, they called themselves so. They too are One they called themselves so, they too are Holy they called themselves so, they too are apostolic they called themselves so.
The Church is ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC, AND APOSTOLIC. That is how Christ founded the Church.

By the way Christ is the founder of Christianity, and Christianity is a sect, there are not meant to be many sects of Christianity, but Christianity itself is a sect.

There are over a billion catholics today . . . if indeed the catholic church is the "body of Christ" spoken of in the bible, it would be at odds with several bible passages that clearly indicate that the body of Christ at the end time will be a minority in number.

@carmelily
Sorry for my late reply. Let me first state categorically that I totally respect your views, what I will say under is why I ( it does not hold for everyone ) cannot bring my self to believe in organised religion and then God.
1. I agree with you about what true christianity is, but there are many things that make me weary of even true christianity. I am going to mirror your third answer a bit here, I can rarely see any love and mercy in the killng of women and children and the nauseating cosmic threats of Deut 28, I see no love and mercy in the way God treated people in the OT, and if Jesus is the son of that God and he did not condemn these events.
My dear this is just the tip of the iceberg to me we can expand on this later but in summary those things that happened were wicked, I asked someone recently what was there to gain spiritually from the books of Joshua and deut.
Furthermore your true christianity would mean you believe in the concepts of heaven and hell which I do not subscribe to mostly because there is a missing symmetry to the whole thing and I see no reason why someone would be tortued for eternity. What is most nauseating is that christians believe they are the ones eligible for passports into this kingdom, not that they all even agree on the nature of life after death. So I sit back and look at the life of someone like Ghandi and according to the bible he would be in hell fire regardless of all the good work he has done for humanity while a sickening tyrant like hitler might have just made himself heaven, that makes no sense at all, I don't believe that one will even consider being a christian if you are not well exposed to it, again we can expand on this later if you wish.
Next is the irregularities as contained in the bible, starting from the whole creation story to the fables that were adapted from epic stories to the nature of the universe and even the world, it does not show me originality and thus authenticity is seriously lacking. The laws and instructions make me wonder also why a God would be even interested in such trivial matters. I regularly question the effectiveness of certain laws and how they cannot and should not be adapted to our world today, these laws were more than 2000 years ago, again we can expand on that if you want to. There are others but these should give you a feel why I do not believe in any organised religion.
2. I too have had experiences that I could not understand but at the time I ascribed it divine because I wanted to blend in with other people, then slowly I began to realise that I could no longer deceive myself, I lay awake for nights and pondered these issues and began to realise that I could not go on deceiving myself. Your belief in God makes sense to me because at a time I too towed that line, but slowly I began to realise what it was, it was just a belief nothing more, it wasnt certainty at all. What I am certain about is that we do not really know for sure if there is God and what his nature is we can expand on this area too later.
3. If there is A God I want to believe he would be everything man has as a weakness and even stronger in man's strengths, that is why those senseless murders make no sense to me, I think it is awfully suspect for God to have the emotions of an angry bull, he needs to have love, total love and not have a chosen people for 2000 years. He would be able to realise that those born into families and societies that do not believe in him is not entirely their fault and treat them accordingly. Better yet if he had all the intelligence to build the universe surely there should have been better ways of communicating his existence and nature to all men regardless!

Some of the posts here are soooo damn funny, So DavidDylan, because the Catholic church has a huge following, that means it must be evil I want to ask a question to all these 'true believers' here, Who are we to judge and label which branch of Christianity is right and which is wrong? Shouldnt we direct that energy wasted to saving our souls than pointing fingers? If being catholic wont get you to heaven, what is going to happen to 'good' muslims, budhists, Toaist, Atheists, Hndus, etc, are they condemned to burn in eternal hellfire because they were born into their various religions

@chrisbenogor

I'll get back to you. Very busy days ahead for me. And by the way, your views remind me of ZEITGEIST which i watched yesterday.


@~Lady~

Please let's not even go there again. You say Christianity is a sect and Christ founded it? Christ never claimed to "found" any "sect". Speak where the Bible speaks. Also, we already talked about the RCC not having "one belief" like you claim. Go google Catholic charismatics.

Please let's not even go there again. You say Christianity is a sect and Christ founded it? Christ never claimed to "found" any "sect". Speak where the Bible speaks. Also, we already talked about the RCC not having "one belief" like you claim. Go google Catholic charismatics

Then what did he do when he instituted the Church? Did he not do that?

As for the Catholic Charismatics I have stated that if they are not in belief iwith the Church they are not of US. They can call themselves Catholic if they want, it does not mean that they are in Union with the Church. Now there are some Charismatics that are in Union with the Church and only those who hold to the Church's beliefs are in Union with the Church.
Just because you hear the term Charismatic does not mean that it can have nothing to do with the Catholic Church, we too are Charismatic, so please let your stereotypical idea of Catholics die.
We do speak in tongues and the Church has never condemned speaking in tongues, infact the Church is the only one that does not ridicule speaking in tongues, it is a gift from the Holy Spirit that does not need to be ridiculed, we don't have to start shouting from the mountain tops to speak and interpret tongues, and there are Catholics that do speak in tongues that are not "Charismatics" but they don't see the need to go on T.V. and braodcast it so that everyone can think they are "holier than thou." You will do well to actually stop thinking stereotypically of the Catholic Church, then you will actually understand our teachings.

Take care.

There are over a billion catholics today . . . if indeed the catholic church is the "body of Christ" spoken of in the bible, it would be at odds with several bible passages that clearly indicate that the body of Christ at the end time will be a minority in number

So are you now able to tell when the end time is?
Last time I checked no one knows when the end time is, the apostles believed they were living in the end times, it has been 2000 years.
So David do you now say we are in the end time?

IS THIS THE END TIME?

shotster50:

Some of the posts here are soooo damn funny, So DavidDylan, because the Catholic church has a huge following, that means it must be evil I want to ask a question to all these 'true believers' here, Who are we to judge and label which branch of Christianity is right and which is wrong? Shouldnt we direct that energy wasted to saving our souls than pointing fingers? If being catholic wont get you to heaven, what is going to happen to 'good' muslims, budhists, Toaist, Atheists, Hndus, etc, are they condemned to burn in eternal hellfire because they were born into their various religions

Did you remember Christ's message to the rich young man who had fulfilled all the law from his youth? "Good" wont take you to heaven . . . sorry the bible said it not me.

~Lady~:

So are you now able to tell when the end time is?
Last time I checked no one knows when the end time is, the apostles believed they were living in the end times, it has been 2000 years.
So David do you now say we are in the end time?

IS THIS THE END TIME?

hopefully this wont be replied with a 500,000 words hence putting the reader to sleep by sentence 1.

That the end did not come in Paul's time does not mean we shld now live as if the end is another 2000 yrs away. The bible says we wont know the time but it says we shall see the signs, it also says to "gird up our loins" . . .

and in case you wish to know . . . this indeed are the last days.

people have been hearing about the last days for the past 2000 years. . . . .

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DavidDylan:

Did you remember Christ's message to the rich young man who had fulfilled all the law from his youth? "Good" wont take you to heaven . . . sorry the bible said it not me.

hopefully this wont be replied with a 500,000 words hence putting the reader to sleep by sentence 1.

That the end did not come in Paul's time does not mean we shld now live as if the end is another 2000 years away. The bible says we wont know the time but it says we shall see the signs, it also says to "gird up our loins" . . .

and in case you wish to know . . . this indeed are the last days.

So these people who were born into other religions are condemned because they are not Christians? Personally i have a problem with that because not everybody has come in contact with Christianity and not all of them are certainly going to hell.

shotster50:

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So these people who were born into other religions are condemned because they are not Christians? Personally i have a problem with that because not everybody has come in contact with Christianity and not all of them are certainly going to hell.

there are hundreds of millions that have never heard the word jesus. . . i have meet so many of them when i visited thailand about 2 years ago. . . .

shotster50:

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So these people who were born into other religions are condemned because they are not Christians? Personally i have a problem with that because not everybody has come in contact with Christianity and not all of them are certainly going to hell.

i didnt write the bible, it is not my place to be rationalising what is there. You have absolute freedom to abandon the bible.

I don't think it was said in the Bible, rather it is our interpretation of it.

shotster50:

I don't think it was said in the Bible, rather it is our interpretation of it.

i think your denial is your own wrong interpretation of the bible. It couldnt be any clearer than this - John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

DavidDylan:

i think your denial is your own wrong interpretation of the bible. It couldnt be any clearer than this - John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

This up here is one of the downside of modern Christianity. Just because I do not share your view, does not make me an unbeliever. You cant force me to see things from your perspective, neither should I so stop trying.

hopefully this wont be replied with a 500,000 words hence putting the reader to sleep by sentence 1.

If I wish to reply with a billion words, it is up to me and not you. If you wish to read then so be it, if not equally fine. I do not force you to read.

Forgive me to for trying to be detailed, it's the accountant in me.

That the end did not come in Paul's time does not mean we shld now live as if the end is another 2000 years away. The bible says we wont know the time but it says we shall see the signs, it also says to "gird up our loins" . . .

True however it is not up to us to determine when the end time is, no one knows but the FATHER. So stop going about making statements as if you know the end days.

and in case you wish to know . . . this indeed are the last days.

Lol, let me guess you received a "revelation"
for someone who screams BIBLE everytime, you certainly do not follow it. No one knows the end except the FATHER. So stop judging.

So these people who were born into other religions are condemned because they are not Christians? Personally i have a problem with that because not everybody has come in contact with Christianity and not all of them are certainly going to hell.

Even people who quote the Bible left and right won't make it to heaven. Quoting the Bible and misinterpreting it does more harm than good.

The Church teaches that it is by God's grace that we will make it to heaven, so if a muslim dies and God grants him grace, he will enter heaven, same for a taoist. It is not up to us to decide, so I don't know what Pastor David is yarning about.

there are hundreds of millions that have never heard the word jesus. . . i have meet so many of them when i visited thailand about 2 years ago. . . .

Pastor David is very ignorant of this you know, but that won't stop him from running his mouth and spreading his ignorance.

i think your denial is your own wrong interpretation of the bible. It couldnt be any clearer than this - John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God

This does not apply to those who have not heard of Christ. If they have heard of him and deny him, then this may apply, but even at that it is still by God's grace. It is not by your power or might that you believe that Jesus is Lord, it is by God's grace. It is also by God's grace that you stay believing.

~Lady~:

Lol, let me guess you received a "revelation"
for someone who screams BIBLE everytime, you certainly do not follow it. No one knows the end except the FATHER. So stop judging.

i wish you read the bible before ur bitter vituperations.

The bible says the DAY nor the HOUR knoweth no man but we wil know the SEASON. Its not that hard to properly quote the bible is it?

~Lady~:

The Church teaches that it is by God's grace that we will make it to heaven, so if a muslim dies and God grants him grace, he will enter heaven, same for a taoist. It is not up to us to decide, so I don't know what Pastor David is yarning about.

Arent we all sick and tired of what the church purports to teach? Since when did the teachings of the church supercede the teachings of the bible and the words of Christ?

shotster50:

This up here is one of the downside of modern Christianity. Just because I do not share your view, does not make me an unbeliever. You can't force me to see things from your perspective, neither should I so stop trying.

shotster, that was why i clearly refrained from giving any opinion on this issue but instead pointed you to the bible and the very words of Christ.

Now unless Christ is a liar you have every right to disbelieve his very words . . . modern christianity did not insert those words in the bible.

thank you.