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Churches Open Doors To Muslim Worship - Blasphemy by Nobody: 11:13am On Aug 22, 2011
They see it as their Christian duty. But others disagree, saying it extends the hand of fellowship where it was never intended to go.

Two Protestant churches are taking some heat from critics for opening their church buildings to Muslims needing places to worship because their own facilities were either too small, or under construction.

Heartsong Church in Cordova, Tenn., let members of the Memphis Islamic Center hold Ramadan prayers there last September. And Aldersgate United Methodist Church in Alexandria, Va., allows the Islamic Circle of North America to hold regular Friday prayers in their building while their new mosque is being built.

Diane Bechtol of Aldersgate says this is something Christians are called to do: Be neighborly and develop relationships - even those who don't share your beliefs.

"I think it's a tenet of our Christian faith, and that is that we extend hospitality to the stranger,” said Bechtol. “We are a congregation that wants to be helpful to people and if we are asked to help a neighbor in need, that's what we do."

But Dr. Alex McFarland, a Christian theologian and radio talk show host, charged these churches “have crossed the line from respect and tolerance, to , affirmation and endorsement.

"We as the church are called to show love, we're called to help. But to let a building simultaneously be used for the activities of a mosque and also the activities of Jesus Christ, it's just incompatible. And I think it's one more example of political correctness and hyper-tolerance gone awry."

Mohamed Elsanousi adamantly disagrees, saying it’s good for the country to know churches like these are extending a hand to Muslims.

Elsanousi is National Community Outreach Director of the Islamic Society of North America. He says "allowing people the freedom of worship is respectful and strengthens the relationship."

Elsanousi says there are many churches and even synagogues in America where Muslims share space with Christians. “We feel good about it,” he says.

That trend may continue as the Muslim population across the U.S. continues to grow.

Mosque construction is at an all-time high. As of September, there were 1,897 mosques in the United States, a 57 percent increase since 2000.

Several of those building projects have caused friction with local communities. According to the Pew Forum, there are 35 proposed Mosques and Islamic centers that have encountered resistance. The most prominent, the Ground Zero mosque, is just two blocks from the World Trade Center site.

Dr. Jason Hood, an Evangelical theologian, says there are other ways Christians can share the love of Christ without building a bridge too far. "Caring for Muslim refugees is particularly important,” he says, along with "sharing meals and recreational opportunities."

Heartsong's relationship with its Muslim neighbors has developed into an annual Thanksgiving meal between the two faiths, and the use of a joint 15-acre community park.

Steve Stone, Heartsong's senior pastor, wrote in Christianity Today that "No thought at all was given to the political ramifications … The decision was firmly based only on our understanding of the mission and nature of the church." He also pointed out that "there was no trading of theologies. They are Muslims; we are Jesus followers; both of us are clear about that."

But McFarland says it's good to remember the "political ramifications" of Muslim-Christian interaction.

"What if we went to Muslims and said 'Hey, can we use your mosque for the worship of Jesus, the incarnate son of God, the one that said 'no one comes to the Father but through him.' I doubt there would be a lot of reciprocity’.
"

McFarland says the groups run the risk of creating something called “Chrislam” - a combination of the two faiths that essentially ignores the big white elephant in the room: the exclusive claims of both Christianity and Islam.
Re: Churches Open Doors To Muslim Worship - Blasphemy by Nobody: 11:14am On Aug 22, 2011
What kind of garbage is this? Not only is it blasphemous against God , it is provocative to dedicated Christians !

How can the name of PAGAN ALLAH and Jehovah GOD be proclaimed in the same place ?

American Christianity gone mad !

First they ( American church ) infect Christendom with the prosperity gospel and false doctrines, and now this nonsense called Chris ISLAM?

Abomination I say !!!
Re: Churches Open Doors To Muslim Worship - Blasphemy by vedaxcool(m): 3:27pm On Aug 22, 2011
when one read the above I see a certain rage boiling in the ex-zionist guy, who might end up being the Andre berveik of Nigeria, this sort of fanaticism is reaching critical levels.
Re: Churches Open Doors To Muslim Worship - Blasphemy by Nobody: 3:37pm On Aug 22, 2011
grin grin grin grin grin grin


Sorry mate, he was no Christian, in fact he was more alike with your Jihad brethren.

I have the Spirit of Christ , one of LOVE but not weakness, one of patience and tolerance but not compromise and one of Temperance.

JESUS is LORD and ALLAH is false

GOD BLESS !!!
Re: Churches Open Doors To Muslim Worship - Blasphemy by vedaxcool(m): 3:45pm On Aug 22, 2011
vedaxcool:

when one read the above I see a certain rage boiling in the ex-zionist guy, who might end up being the Andre berveik of Nigeria , this sort of fanaticism is reaching critical levels.
Re: Churches Open Doors To Muslim Worship - Blasphemy by Joagbaje(m): 4:02pm On Aug 22, 2011
Is that a new version of CHRISLAM ?
Re: Churches Open Doors To Muslim Worship - Blasphemy by Nobody: 4:16pm On Aug 22, 2011
^^^^


I am not sure what your opinion is, but allowing Muslims to come into a place of worship where the name of JESUS is proclaimed and then allow them shout to their PAGAN Deity Allah , Allah Akbar , this is plain blasphemy.

Not forgetting that they are facing an ancient black stone or should we say meteorite in Mecca !!!
Re: Churches Open Doors To Muslim Worship - Blasphemy by Joagbaje(m): 5:18pm On Aug 22, 2011
A new religion emerged in lagos some years ago. "CHRISLAM" it's a combination of the two faiths.
Re: Churches Open Doors To Muslim Worship - Blasphemy by Joagbaje(m): 5:23pm On Aug 22, 2011
I didn't read the opening post before, I only responded to the title . I just read the post now. It's a shame. Many Christians have not really understood what salvation in chrst really is. This kind of thing will continuously happen so long as Christianity is viewed as a religion. Just another religion. Christianity is man RECIEVING life from God through christ.
It is not a religion. It is life.
Re: Churches Open Doors To Muslim Worship - Blasphemy by damipaul(m): 10:58pm On Aug 22, 2011
Be ye not unequally yoked with unbelievers, for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what hath light with darkness? and what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? 2Corin 6:14,15. What those churches did was very wrong.
Re: Churches Open Doors To Muslim Worship - Blasphemy by Zodiac61(m): 11:09pm On Aug 22, 2011
This post and the responses so far show the evil religions are.
The posters claim to be christians. They are haters.
That is what their god wants - hate those who do not believe the same fables they believe in.
Re: Churches Open Doors To Muslim Worship - Blasphemy by wordtalk(m): 11:09pm On Aug 22, 2011
frosbel:

Mohamed Elsanousi adamantly disagrees, saying it’s good for the country to know churches like these are extending a hand to Muslims.

Elsanousi is National Community Outreach Director of the Islamic Society of North America. He says "allowing people the freedom of worship is respectful and strengthens the relationship."

Elsanousi says there are many churches and even synagogues in America where Muslims share space with Christians. “We feel good about it,” he says.

What strikes me here in Elsanousi's remarks is this: how many Muslims have allowed Christians to use their mosques for Church worship? How much effort has his society (Islamic Society of North America) made in Muslim countries to "allow [non-Muslim] people the freedom of worship" so that relationships between Christians and Muslims can thereby be "strengthened"? How would the Muslim community react if some Muslims opened doors to Christian worship?
Re: Churches Open Doors To Muslim Worship - Blasphemy by thehomer: 11:27pm On Aug 22, 2011
frosbel:

They see it as their Christian duty. But others disagree, saying it extends the hand of fellowship where it was never intended to go.

Two Protestant churches are taking some heat from critics for opening their church buildings to Muslims needing places to worship because their own facilities were either too small, or under construction.

Heartsong Church in Cordova, Tenn., let members of the Memphis Islamic Center hold Ramadan prayers there last September. And Aldersgate United Methodist Church in Alexandria, Va., allows the Islamic Circle of North America to hold regular Friday prayers in their building while their new mosque is being built.

Diane Bechtol of Aldersgate says this is something Christians are called to do: Be neighborly and develop relationships - even those who don't share your beliefs.

"I think it's a tenet of our Christian faith, and that is that we extend hospitality to the stranger,” said Bechtol. “We are a congregation that wants to be helpful to people and if we are asked to help a neighbor in need, that's what we do."

But Dr. Alex McFarland, a Christian theologian and radio talk show host, charged these churches “have crossed the line from respect and tolerance, to , affirmation and endorsement.

"We as the church are called to show love, we're called to help. But to let a building simultaneously be used for the activities of a mosque and also the activities of Jesus Christ, it's just incompatible. And I think it's one more example of political correctness and hyper-tolerance gone awry."

Mohamed Elsanousi adamantly disagrees, saying it’s good for the country to know churches like these are extending a hand to Muslims.

Elsanousi is National Community Outreach Director of the Islamic Society of North America. He says "allowing people the freedom of worship is respectful and strengthens the relationship."

Elsanousi says there are many churches and even synagogues in America where Muslims share space with Christians. “We feel good about it,” he says.

That trend may continue as the Muslim population across the U.S. continues to grow.

Mosque construction is at an all-time high. As of September, there were 1,897 mosques in the United States, a 57 percent increase since 2000.

Several of those building projects have caused friction with local communities. According to the Pew Forum, there are 35 proposed Mosques and Islamic centers that have encountered resistance. The most prominent, the Ground Zero mosque, is just two blocks from the World Trade Center site.

Dr. Jason Hood, an Evangelical theologian, says there are other ways Christians can share the love of Christ without building a bridge too far. "Caring for Muslim refugees is particularly important,” he says, along with "sharing meals and recreational opportunities."

Heartsong's relationship with its Muslim neighbors has developed into an annual Thanksgiving meal between the two faiths, and the use of a joint 15-acre community park.

Steve Stone, Heartsong's senior pastor, wrote in Christianity Today that "No thought at all was given to the political ramifications … The decision was firmly based only on our understanding of the mission and nature of the church." He also pointed out that "there was no trading of theologies. They are Muslims; we are Jesus followers; both of us are clear about that."

But McFarland says it's good to remember the "political ramifications" of Muslim-Christian interaction.

"What if we went to Muslims and said 'Hey, can we use your mosque for the worship of Jesus, the incarnate son of God, the one that said 'no one comes to the Father but through him.' I doubt there would be a lot of reciprocity’.
"

McFarland says the groups run the risk of creating something called “Chrislam” - a combination of the two faiths that essentially ignores the big white elephant in the room: the exclusive claims of both Christianity and Islam.

I wonder what the wailing is all about. I thought that the church was not the building but the people. Someone once said that if people ask for your shirt, give them your cloak too or something like that.
So if Muslims do not reciprocate, Christians must not make the offer? Talk about ulterior motives.
Re: Churches Open Doors To Muslim Worship - Blasphemy by Sweetnecta: 11:33pm On Aug 22, 2011
Allah is Akbar.

what wordtalk is asking now was done by prophet Muhammad [as]

the mosque in Madina if you must know was used by the christian guests to conduct their services in the 3 days they visited.

the land of the prophet [as] is now forbidden for organized religious services that is not of Islamic monotheism. this means nation of islam cant conduct their service there too.

there is a mosque in Texas or Illinois that has its door open to christian if they want. more must should if the christians want.
Re: Churches Open Doors To Muslim Worship - Blasphemy by vedaxcool(m): 8:45am On Aug 23, 2011
Zodiac61:

This post and the responses so far show the evil religions are.
The posters claim to be christians. They are haters.
That is what their god wants - hate those who do not believe the same fables they believe in.

One would have expect you to reflect and get to the root of the matter rather than this rash classification accross board.
Re: Churches Open Doors To Muslim Worship - Blasphemy by martinseme: 9:11am On Aug 23, 2011
Islam is a deadly religion to be avoided.all muslims are destined for hell except they accept jesus who is the only way to the father
Re: Churches Open Doors To Muslim Worship - Blasphemy by Zodiac61(m): 3:26pm On Aug 23, 2011
vedaxcool:

One would have expect you to reflect and get to the root of the matter rather than this rash classification accross board.

What exactly has been said that does not reflect the prejuduces of the christians who have posted on this topic?
They have all condemned the behaviour of the pastors of the churches concerned, without reflecting on whether the opening of their churches to persons of other faiths may be considered christian behaviour.
Most of the christians here have condemned all muslims as terrorists without exception.
What exactly do you consider to be rash about my comments?
Re: Churches Open Doors To Muslim Worship - Blasphemy by Nobody: 3:41pm On Aug 23, 2011
Most of the christians here have condemned all muslims as terrorists without exception.

Hmm, not sure anyone on this forum mentioned the falsehood that all Muslims are terrorists.

The majority are not, we are not dumb !!

We are talking generally about the ISLAMIC belief system !!


The rest of your comment does not merit a response , seeing that you are either an atheist or agnostic.

Thanks.
Re: Churches Open Doors To Muslim Worship - Blasphemy by Croatian(m): 3:59pm On Aug 23, 2011
This is a question for both christians and muslims: Have you ever heard of a song called "Ya Mariam ya o Allah" ?
It's palestinian christian arabic song meaning "oh Mary, oh mother of God"

in arabic the word for God is Allah, it doesn't belong to muslims only, nor it's against christianity. In my language the word for God is Bog.

Muslims praying in churches, silly if you ask me, though I respect muslim, I'm christian, maybe this is the way of evangelization.
Re: Churches Open Doors To Muslim Worship - Blasphemy by nuella2(f): 4:00pm On Aug 23, 2011
See wonders o, how can a pope do this? Jesus is the ONLY way to God, every other way leads to damnation.
Re: Churches Open Doors To Muslim Worship - Blasphemy by vedaxcool(m): 4:25pm On Aug 23, 2011
Zodiac61:

What exactly has been said that does not reflect the prejuduces of the christians who have posted on this topic?
They have all condemned the behaviour of the pastors of the churches concerned, without reflecting on whether the opening of their churches to persons of other faiths may be considered christian behaviour.
Most of the christians here have condemned all muslims as terrorists without exception.
What exactly do you consider to be rash about my comments?


Don't get me wrong your statement was on track except that it over generalise a malaise common in Nl to other Christians who do not behave like the character frosbel and his ilks, who has only characterise his religion as being cheap in these forum, now I keep insisting when we want to talk of issues we should be very lucid and systematic and not be too quick in labelling entire people with wrong labels. I am a muslim besides I can not be holding brief for NL official Clown and chief entertainer in the religion thread. grin
Re: Churches Open Doors To Muslim Worship - Blasphemy by Nobody: 4:55pm On Aug 23, 2011
^^^^^


Will you allow a Chrstian to come into your mosque and sing songs of praise to JESUS CHRIST


Of course not !!!!


Hypocrites and white washed tombs who on the outside appear clean and washed , but on the inside are full of dead men's bones ( of deceit, lying and gross wickedness).
Re: Churches Open Doors To Muslim Worship - Blasphemy by Nobody: 4:57pm On Aug 23, 2011
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Re: Churches Open Doors To Muslim Worship - Blasphemy by thehomer: 5:05pm On Aug 23, 2011
frosbel:

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BLASPHEMY , BLASPHEMY , BLASPHEMY , BLASPHEMY , BLASPHEMY ,BLASPHEMY ,BLASPHEMY ,BLASPHEMY ,BLASPHEMY !!!!




Why are you railing at the Muslims? Jesus asked you to turn the other cheek if you were struck. These ones haven't even struck you yet you keep whining about a church. The church is supposed to be the members not the building.
Re: Churches Open Doors To Muslim Worship - Blasphemy by Nobody: 5:10pm On Aug 23, 2011
^^^^

Absolutely and a good analysis at that .

But we ask ourselves two questions :

1. Allowing them chant 'Allah is great' in a church where we believe that he is not (ONLY Yahweh is great ) is confusion gone mad. It is like an agreement that we all worship the same GOD. I appreciate your godless stance , but please understand that a true christian will find this rather offensive , but not essentially provovative as the Muslims would have done.

2. Ask the Muslims a simple question, will they reciprocate this favour, for example in Mecca . The answeer is a resounding no, they will not.

Muslims prey on the weaknesses of the ignorant and weak.

They are Hypocrites !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Churches Open Doors To Muslim Worship - Blasphemy by LagosShia: 10:01pm On Aug 23, 2011
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Re: Churches Open Doors To Muslim Worship - Blasphemy by thehomer: 10:03pm On Aug 23, 2011
frosbel:

^^^^

Absolutely and a good analysis at that .

But we ask ourselves two questions :

1. Allowing them chant 'Allah is great' in a church where we believe that he is not (ONLY Yahweh is great ) is confusion gone mad. It is like an agreement that we all worship the same GOD. I appreciate your godless stance , but please understand that a true christian will find this rather offensive , but not essentially provovative as the Muslims would have done.

2. Ask the Muslims a simple question, will they reciprocate this favour, for example in Mecca . The answeer is a resounding no, they will not.

Muslims prey on the weaknesses of the ignorant and weak.

They are Hypocrites !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do as you would have others do unto you. Do they have to reciprocate or promise to reciprocate for you to perform what may be considered a good act? Even if they were hypocrites, that doesn't mean you have to be one too.
Re: Churches Open Doors To Muslim Worship - Blasphemy by Nobody: 10:38am On Aug 25, 2011
^^^

The problem is more fundamental as I mentioned earlier.

It is from our perspective ( Christians ) that shouting the name of a moon god in a church where the Almighty is worshiped is seriously flawed.
Re: Churches Open Doors To Muslim Worship - Blasphemy by thehomer: 12:42pm On Aug 25, 2011
frosbel:

^^^

The problem is more fundamental as I mentioned earlier.

It is from our perspective ( Christians ) that shouting the name of a moon god in a church where the Almighty is worshiped is seriously flawed.

I thought God was supposed to separate his people when the time comes i.e after they are dead. Why don't you leave your God to do his own work?

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