I have been a religious person for 27years and I must say that religion is hugely base on baselessness, so I don't really regard whatever thing any religious person says because it's always never based on evidence. It's always about what they feel and what they are been told. However, I still pay little attend to deism; which is a form of theism that doesn't deal with religiosity. It doesn't perform rituals to a personal God.
Although, deism falls short in terms of providing evidence, but the truth is there is no evidence against deism either unlike religious theism that can be easily disproven. There's no way to say for sure that an entity called God didn't start the universe and after then stop interfering which makes deism equally as plausible as atheism.

Atheism is the other side of deism, it doesn't have evidence to disproven deism, he doesn't just believe deism and he still doesn't have evidence for how the universe start (big bang doesn't really tell us how the universe started ab-initio).
Atheism claims to know that a creator doesn't exist without evidence for how everything started, deism claims to know that the universe has a creator but also doesn't know how the universe started ab-initio hence I am a pure agnostic.
I don't know whether the universe has a creator to until either of them proves it or otherwise

Osamabinladenik:
I have been a religious person for 27years and I must say that religion is hugely base on baselessness, so I don't really regard whatever thing any religious person says because it's always never based on evidence. It's always about what they feel and what they are been told. However, I still pay little attend to deism; which is a form of theism that doesn't deal with religiosity. It doesn't perform rituals to a personal God.
Although, deism falls short in terms of providing evidence, but the truth is there is no evidence against deism either unlike religious theism that can be easily disproven. There's no way to say for sure that an entity called God didn't start the universe and after then stop interfering which makes deism equally as plausible as atheism.

Atheism is the other side of deism, it doesn't have evidence to disproven deism, he doesn't just believe deism and he still doesn't have evidence for how the universe start (big bang doesn't really tell us how the universe started ab-initio).
Atheism claims to know that a creator doesn't exist without evidence for how everything started, deism claims to know that the universe has a creator but also doesn't know how the universe started ab-initio hence I am a pure agnostic.
I don't know whether the universe has a creator to until either of them proves it or otherwise

I am an agnostic deist.

Osamabinladenik:
I have been a religious person for 27years and I must say that religion is hugely base on baselessness, so I don't really regard whatever thing any religious person says because it's always never based on evidence.

Is it not based on how you felt that you said there is no evidence?

Or are you not saying that there is no evidence because some other God haters said there is no evidence?

Atheism would have been baseless except that we Christians would say the Truth, which is atheism is based on hatred of and for God because of the real eyesation that God has rejected such persons and they can never get back to His good graces and they are cut off as God Said!

Osamabinladenik:
I have been a religious person for 27years and I must say that religion is hugely base on baselessness, so I don't really regard whatever thing any religious person says because it's always never based on evidence. It's always about what they feel and what they are been told. However, I still pay little attend to deism; which is a form of theism that doesn't deal with religiosity. It doesn't perform rituals to a personal God.
Although, deism falls short in terms of providing evidence, but the truth is there is no evidence against deism either unlike religious theism that can be easily disproven. There's no way to say for sure that an entity called God didn't start the universe and after then stop interfering which makes deism equally as plausible as atheism.

Atheism is the other side of deism, it doesn't have evidence to disproven deism, he doesn't just believe deism and he still doesn't have evidence for how the universe start (big bang doesn't really tell us how the universe started ab-initio).
Atheism claims to know that a creator doesn't exist without evidence for how everything started, deism claims to know that the universe has a creator but also doesn't know how the universe started ab-initio hence I am a pure agnostic.
I don't know whether the universe has a creator to until either of them proves it or otherwise

Why should an atheist provide proof for a claim he doesn't make? If an atheist says he knows there is no god then ask him for proof of that assertion. The blanket definition for atheism contains no claim about the existence of god or gods however individual atheists can make such claims, when they do be sure to ask them. Meanwhile don't bunch all atheists into that boat, not all of us say there is no god.

LordReed:

Why should an atheist provide proof for a claim he doesn't make? If an atheist says he knows there is no god then ask him for proof of that assertion.

we have seen them make claims eg wilgrea7 claimed that "this world is created by something other than a Person" but till tomorrow when called upon to give evidence and proof, he dodged and dodged and lied as he tried to avoid giving proof of his claim.

Wilgrea7(m): 7:20am On Nov 08

Wilgrea7:

There is absolutely no evidence that the earth was created by “a person".

Your "There is absolutely no evidence that the earth was created by “a person" already falls because,

1. You have confessed and admitted the Truth that a non living thing cannot create.

2. And a Person is a living thing, therefore, He is very much in the game o
"Who" created the earth and you have eliminated the "whats".

Thus, I'll wait for you to supply a valid contender, if you can, which I know you cannot, while letting you look at Arthur Conan Doyle

"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbe-able, must be the truth."
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And till today, we have not seen him.

Meanwhile don't bunch all atheists into that boat, not all of us say there is no god.[/quote]

See complaint! But, you never make such distinctions when you people attack Christians, you are all one then.

So, you can not deny your children.

Dtruthspeaker:


we have seen them make claims eg wilgrea7 claimed that "this world is created by something other than a Person" but till tomorrow when called upon to give evidence and proof, he dodged and dodged and lied as he tried to avoid giving proof of his claim.

Wilgrea7(m): 7:20am On Nov 08


Your "There is absolutely no evidence that the earth was created by “a person" already falls because,

1. You have confessed and admitted the Truth that a non living thing cannot create.

2. And a Person is a living thing, therefore, He is very much in the game o
"Who" created the earth and you have eliminated the "whats".

Thus, I'll wait for you to supply a valid contender, if you can, which I know you cannot, while letting you look at Arthur Conan Doyle

"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbe-able, must be the truth."
--------------------------
And till today, we have not seen him.

Meanwhile don't bunch all atheists into that boat, not all of us say there is no god.

See complaint! But, you never make such distinctions when you people attack Christians, you are all one then.

So, you can not deny your children.

If you're going to mention me, at least, for once, have the decency not to lie, and not to quote me out of context.

I have never said that I know there is no God. I only said there's no reason to believe that if a God exists, it would be “a person"

I even went on to show possibilities of things that were not persons, but were still very much “alive" as we know them.

Don't try to twist my words. Any intellectually honest person can see the deceptive game you've been playing, and are trying to play here.

Grow up.

Dtruthspeaker:


we have seen them make claims eg wilgrea7 claimed that "this world is created by something other than a Person" but till tomorrow when called upon to give evidence and proof, he dodged and dodged and lied as he tried to avoid giving proof of his claim.

Wilgrea7(m): 7:20am On Nov 08


Your "There is absolutely no evidence that the earth was created by “a person" already falls because,

1. You have confessed and admitted the Truth that a non living thing cannot create.

2. And a Person is a living thing, therefore, He is very much in the game o
"Who" created the earth and you have eliminated the "whats".

Thus, I'll wait for you to supply a valid contender, if you can, which I know you cannot, while letting you look at Arthur Conan Doyle

"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbe-able, must be the truth."
--------------------------
And till today, we have not seen him.

Meanwhile don't bunch all atheists into that boat, not all of us say there is no god.

See complaint! But, you never make such distinctions when you people attack Christians, you are all one then.

So, you can not deny your children.

You'll have to ask Wilgrea7 for the evidence of his claims. Meanwhile where have you seen me lump all Christians in the same boat?

I sometimes wonder had we evolved in a binary star system instead of this one, would the claims be about two creators instead of one “creator”?

OK!

LordReed:


You'll have to ask Wilgrea7 for the evidence of his claims. Meanwhile where have you seen me lump all Christians in the same boat?

That is not the Charge I laid!

Dtruthspeaker:


That is not the Charge I laid!

Whatever the charge is can you point to a single instance of me doing it?

Wilgrea7:

I even went on to show possibilities of things that were not persons, but were still very much “alive" as we know them.

I did not ask you to show things that were not persons I asked

"present a valid alternative and contestant to God being the Person Who created our House called earth, if you can"

And you have been dodging since.

Dtruthspeaker:


I did not ask you to show things that were not persons I asked

"present a valid alternative and contestant to God being the Person Who created our House called earth, if you can"

And you have been dodging since.

Once again changing the narrative from “a person" to "the person"

I have no desire to derail this thread so I'll stop with any meaningless back and forth that doesn't relate to the OP's topic.

Adios

Wilgrea7:


Once again changing the narrative from “a person" to "the person"

I have no desire to derail this thread so I'll stop with any meaningless back and forth that doesn't relate to the OP's topic.

Adios

That was the question I asked you then and you did not object about "a person"/"the person" because you knew that they were one and the same in the case, but when you saw that you were conered, then you started grasping at straws to escape.

Dtruthspeaker:


Is it not based on how you felt that you said there is no evidence?

Or are you not saying that there is no evidence because some other God haters said there is no evidence?

Atheism would have been baseless except that we Christians would say the Truth, which is atheism is based on hatred of and for God because of the real eyesation that God has rejected such persons and they can never get back to His good graces and they are cut off as God Said!

who's this drunk dude?

Osamabinladenik:
who's this drunk dude?

The one who cures people of their stupidity.

We have seen people who have been mechanics for 27years yet they know nothing.

You do not even care whether your next door neighbour has eaten not to talk about caring about the universe.

So, you just came to show that you are frustrated with life.