Daily Book Reading: Truth For The Truth Seekers P. 26 - 28 By Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman

https://knowislam.com.ng/daily-book-reading-truth-for.../

Jesus could have died for our sins only if he actually died whereas he was not killed neither was he crucified; those who think he died follow only conjecture. It is not strange that when the arrest of Jesus occurred, the whole disciples fled and forsook him (Mark14:50). The gospel according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were written years after Jesus left the surface of the earth, none of them knew what exactly happened, they all wrote from hearsay. Let us read the beginning of the gospel of Luke,
"Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,
"Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;
"It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus (Luke 1:1-3).
We can read how the author was addressing Theophilus. The author of the gospel of look didn't claim his story is from God neither did he claim to be present but he wrote from hearsay. It is for this reason that the gospels contradicted one another. For example, the author of the gospel of Matthew and Luke could not agree on whether one or both thieves crucified with Jesus mocked him. We read in Matthew 27:44
"The two thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same (mockery) in his teeth"
We read in Luke 23:39-40,
"And one of the malefactors(thieves) which were hanged railed on him, saying, if thou be the Christ, save thyself and us.
" But the other answering him, saying, dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?

One lie is all that is needed to disprove the divinity of these gospels as they are ascribed to God. It would be blasphemy to ascribe this contradictions to God. God would not reveal to the author of the gospel of Matthew that both thieves mocked Jesus then reveal to the author of the gospel of Luke that both one of them mocked Jesus.

There are several other places where the authors of the four gospels contradicted one another. Another example is what time was Jesus crucified. In Mark 15:25, the bible says Jesus was crucified in the third hour while John19:14-18 says he was crucified in the 6th hour.
These little contradictions may not be sufficient to disprove Jesus' crucifixion but are enough to prove that these gospels were not revealed by God. Let us now look into more verses in the bible that makes it axiomatic that Jesus died not. In the book of psalms chapter 37:28, the bible says,
"For the LORD loves the just and will not forsake his faithful ones. Wrongdoers will be completely destroyed: the offspring of the wicked shall perish."
Here the bible tells us that God loves those who are just and will never forsake those who are faithful to him. Any Christian will agree that Jesus Christ was faithful, just, and righteous. Now, let us read what Matthew 27:46 says,
”And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice saying, Eli, Eli, why hast thou forsaken me?"
Jesus was asking God why he was being forsaken. If Jesus was actually forsaken on the cross that means he was not righteous at the point of crucifixion. If then Jesus was not righteous at the point of crucifixion, what is the fate of over one billion Christians we have in the world today?

Jesus Christ was a righteous messenger of God and God could not have forsaken him that is why the Quran says in sura An-Nisaa,
" And for their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but another was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain"
" Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise.

The Bible again says in Hebrews 5:7,
" (Jesus) who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, AND WAS HEARD IN THAT HE FEARED"

If Jesus strongly cried to God and tears unto God and his prayers were heard by God, then Jesus did not die. If Jesus died, that means God did not answer Jesus' prayers. Now, if during the last days of Jesus, God did not answer his prayers, are those who rely on Jesus not in soup?

You are correct he did not die to save any one from sin but to save everyone from sin.

Ah! ah!!

zeuss:
You are correct he did not die to save any one from sin but to save everyone from sin.

zeuss:
You are correct he did not die to save any one from sin but to save everyone from sin.

Okay, Edited.

Edit yours too!

Iamziggy:
Ah! ah!!

AntiChristian:


Okay, Edited.

Edit yours too!

I know you will encounter Jesus and all this rebellion will be in the past.

zeuss:


I know you will encounter Jesus and all this rebellion will be in the past.

Encounter Jesus? Who has ever encountered Jesus after he left earth? No dey believe lies o! Na evil spirit(s) and self delusion!

He will come again to break your crucifixion lies!

AntiChristian:


Encounter Jesus? Who has ever encountered Jesus after he left earth? No dey believe lies o! Na evil spirit(s) and self delusion!

He will come again to break your crucifixion lies!

Paul was miles ahead of you.

AntiChristian:


Encounter Jesus? Who has ever encountered Jesus after he left earth? No dey believe lies o! Na evil spirit(s) and self delusion!

He will come again to break your crucifixion lies!

You forgot to add that he is coming as a just ruler to put an end to the evil muhammad left on earth and to also abolish the evil Jizya tax that the one made victorious in terror (Muhammad) imposed on the Jews and the Christians!

Sahih al-Bukhari 2476
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until the son of Mary (i.e. Jesus) descends amongst you as a just ruler, he will break the cross, kill the pigs, and abolish the Jizya tax. Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it (as charitable gifts).

AntiChristian:
Daily Book Reading: Truth For The Truth Seekers P. 26 - 28 By Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman

https://knowislam.com.ng/daily-book-reading-truth-for.../

Jesus could have died for our sins only if he actually died whereas he was not killed neither was he crucified; those who think he died follow only conjecture. It is not strange that when the arrest of Jesus occurred, the whole disciples fled and forsook him (Mark14:50). The gospel according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were written years after Jesus left the surface of the earth, none of them knew what exactly happened, they all wrote from hearsay. Let us read the beginning of the gospel of Luke,
"Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,
"Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;
"It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus (Luke 1:1-3).
We can read how the author was addressing Theophilus. The author of the gospel of look didn't claim his story is from God neither did he claim to be present but he wrote from hearsay. It is for this reason that the gospels contradicted one another. For example, the author of the gospel of Matthew and Luke could not agree on whether one or both thieves crucified with Jesus mocked him. We read in Matthew 27:44
"The two thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same (mockery) in his teeth"
We read in Luke 23:39-40,
"And one of the malefactors(thieves) which were hanged railed on him, saying, if thou be the Christ, save thyself and us.
" But the other answering him, saying, dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?

One lie is all that is needed to disprove the divinity of these gospels as they are ascribed to God. It would be blasphemy to ascribe this contradictions to God. God would not reveal to the author of the gospel of Matthew that both thieves mocked Jesus then reveal to the author of the gospel of Luke that both one of them mocked Jesus.

There are several other places where the authors of the four gospels contradicted one another. Another example is what time was Jesus crucified. In Mark 15:25, the bible says Jesus was crucified in the third hour while John19:14-18 says he was crucified in the 6th hour.
These little contradictions may not be sufficient to disprove Jesus' crucifixion but are enough to prove that these gospels were not revealed by God. Let us now look into more verses in the bible that makes it axiomatic that Jesus died not. In the book of psalms chapter 37:28, the bible says,
"For the LORD loves the just and will not forsake his faithful ones. Wrongdoers will be completely destroyed: the offspring of the wicked shall perish."
Here the bible tells us that God loves those who are just and will never forsake those who are faithful to him. Any Christian will agree that Jesus Christ was faithful, just, and righteous. Now, let us read what Matthew 27:46 says,
”And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice saying, Eli, Eli, why hast thou forsaken me?"
Jesus was asking God why he was being forsaken. If Jesus was actually forsaken on the cross that means he was not righteous at the point of crucifixion. If then Jesus was not righteous at the point of crucifixion, what is the fate of over one billion Christians we have in the world today?

Jesus Christ was a righteous messenger of God and God could not have forsaken him that is why the Quran says in sura An-Nisaa,
" And for their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but another was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain"
" Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise.

The Bible again says in Hebrews 5:7,
" (Jesus) who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, AND WAS HEARD IN THAT HE FEARED"

If Jesus strongly cried to God and tears unto God and his prayers were heard by God, then Jesus did not die. If Jesus died, that means God did not answer Jesus' prayers. Now, if during the last days of Jesus, God did not answer his prayers, are those who rely on Jesus not in soup?

Correct �

zeuss:


Paul was miles ahead of you.

That lying self appointed Apostle? Lol.

Can you imagine. Jesus never deemed it fit to appear to any of the remaining Eleven disciples who were with him for good three years at least but choose to appear to a Self appointed somebody?

zeuss:


Paul was miles ahead of you.

Paul never met Jesus!

He claimed he saw a light that calls itself Jesus
...." why are you persecuting me?".

It could be those same spirits giving false prophecies to your pastors!

Abeg no mention me if it's unrelated to the thread!

AntiChristian:
Daily Book Reading: Truth For The Truth Seekers P. 26 - 28 By Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman

https://knowislam.com.ng/daily-book-reading-truth-for.../

Jesus could have died for our sins only if he actually died whereas he was not killed neither was he crucified; those who think he died follow only conjecture. It is not strange that when the arrest of Jesus occurred, the whole disciples fled and forsook him (Mark14:50). The gospel according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were written years after Jesus left the surface of the earth, none of them knew what exactly happened, they all wrote from hearsay. Let us read the beginning of the gospel of Luke,
"Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,
"Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;
"It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus (Luke 1:1-3).
We can read how the author was addressing Theophilus. The author of the gospel of look didn't claim his story is from God neither did he claim to be present but he wrote from hearsay. It is for this reason that the gospels contradicted one another. For example, the author of the gospel of Matthew and Luke could not agree on whether one or both thieves crucified with Jesus mocked him. We read in Matthew 27:44
"The two thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same (mockery) in his teeth"
We read in Luke 23:39-40,
"And one of the malefactors(thieves) which were hanged railed on him, saying, if thou be the Christ, save thyself and us.
" But the other answering him, saying, dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?

One lie is all that is needed to disprove the divinity of these gospels as they are ascribed to God. It would be blasphemy to ascribe this contradictions to God. God would not reveal to the author of the gospel of Matthew that both thieves mocked Jesus then reveal to the author of the gospel of Luke that both one of them mocked Jesus.

There are several other places where the authors of the four gospels contradicted one another. Another example is what time was Jesus crucified. In Mark 15:25, the bible says Jesus was crucified in the third hour while John19:14-18 says he was crucified in the 6th hour.
These little contradictions may not be sufficient to disprove Jesus' crucifixion but are enough to prove that these gospels were not revealed by God. Let us now look into more verses in the bible that makes it axiomatic that Jesus died not. In the book of psalms chapter 37:28, the bible says,
"For the LORD loves the just and will not forsake his faithful ones. Wrongdoers will be completely destroyed: the offspring of the wicked shall perish."
Here the bible tells us that God loves those who are just and will never forsake those who are faithful to him. Any Christian will agree that Jesus Christ was faithful, just, and righteous. Now, let us read what Matthew 27:46 says,
”And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice saying, Eli, Eli, why hast thou forsaken me?"
Jesus was asking God why he was being forsaken. If Jesus was actually forsaken on the cross that means he was not righteous at the point of crucifixion. If then Jesus was not righteous at the point of crucifixion, what is the fate of over one billion Christians we have in the world today?

Jesus Christ was a righteous messenger of God and God could not have forsaken him that is why the Quran says in sura An-Nisaa,
" And for their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but another was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain"
" Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise.

The Bible again says in Hebrews 5:7,
" (Jesus) who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, AND WAS HEARD IN THAT HE FEARED"

If Jesus strongly cried to God and tears unto God and his prayers were heard by God, then Jesus did not die. If Jesus died, that means God did not answer Jesus' prayers. Now, if during the last days of Jesus, God did not answer his prayers, are those who rely on Jesus not in soup?

see stupidity.
In Christianity salvation is guaranteed through Jesus because he paid the price but you shall perish in your sins with nobody to pay.

Allah or Mohammad can not guarantee you salvation because you all your good works and religious piety is to earn you paradise yet they never did what a miserable life but here is the Son of God offering you what allah and Mohammad can not offer the salvation for your soul, do you reject?

With Islam you don't know where you are going to, you are simply in darkness.

Look at Jesus statment

Luke 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

Ok you said the injeel has being corrupted right?

Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

Now this is a passage from the prophet Isaiah

The prophet confirms that the person who that passage is talking about was made an offering for sin.
Do you now see your stupidity?
Mohamad was lost as he did not know the truth hence the reason he rejected his only hope for salvation which is Jesus christ.

With all this write up Dem no go still understand nor accept.

What's d stupidity in d write up...
He made his points from d Bible.
Reason well abeg.

Steep:
see stupidity.
In Christianity salvation is guaranteed through Jesus because he paid the price but you shall perish in your sins with nobody to pay.

Allah or Mohammad can not guarantee you salvation because you all your good works and religious piety is to earn you paradise yet they never did what a miserable life but here is the Son of God offering you what allah and Mohammad can not offer the salvation for your soul, do you reject?

With Islam you don't know where you are going to, you are simply in darkness.

Look at Jesus statment

Luke 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

Ok you said the injeel has being corrupted right?

Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

Now this is a passage from the prophet Isaiah

The prophet confirms that the person who that passage is talking about was made an offering for sin.
Do you now see your stupidity?
Mohamad was lost as he did not know the truth hence the reason he rejected his only hope for salvation which is Jesus christ.

Wetin u edit like dis... Wats d diff

AntiChristian:


Okay, Edited.

Edit yours too!

AntiChristian:
Daily Book Reading: Truth For The Truth Seekers P. 26 - 28 By Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman

https://knowislam.com.ng/daily-book-reading-truth-for.../

Jesus could have died for our sins only if he actually died whereas he was not killed neither was he crucified; those who think he died follow only conjecture. It is not strange that when the arrest of Jesus occurred, the whole disciples fled and forsook him (Mark14:50). The gospel according to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were written years after Jesus left the surface of the earth, none of them knew what exactly happened, they all wrote from hearsay. Let us read the beginning of the gospel of Luke,
"Forasmuch as many have taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us,
"Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;
"It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus (Luke 1:1-3).
We can read how the author was addressing Theophilus. The author of the gospel of look didn't claim his story is from God neither did he claim to be present but he wrote from hearsay. It is for this reason that the gospels contradicted one another. For example, the author of the gospel of Matthew and Luke could not agree on whether one or both thieves crucified with Jesus mocked him. We read in Matthew 27:44
"The two thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same (mockery) in his teeth"
We read in Luke 23:39-40,
"And one of the malefactors(thieves) which were hanged railed on him, saying, if thou be the Christ, save thyself and us.
" But the other answering him, saying, dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?

One lie is all that is needed to disprove the divinity of these gospels as they are ascribed to God. It would be blasphemy to ascribe this contradictions to God. God would not reveal to the author of the gospel of Matthew that both thieves mocked Jesus then reveal to the author of the gospel of Luke that both one of them mocked Jesus.

There are several other places where the authors of the four gospels contradicted one another. Another example is what time was Jesus crucified. In Mark 15:25, the bible says Jesus was crucified in the third hour while John19:14-18 says he was crucified in the 6th hour.
These little contradictions may not be sufficient to disprove Jesus' crucifixion but are enough to prove that these gospels were not revealed by God. Let us now look into more verses in the bible that makes it axiomatic that Jesus died not. In the book of psalms chapter 37:28, the bible says,
"For the LORD loves the just and will not forsake his faithful ones. Wrongdoers will be completely destroyed: the offspring of the wicked shall perish."
Here the bible tells us that God loves those who are just and will never forsake those who are faithful to him. Any Christian will agree that Jesus Christ was faithful, just, and righteous. Now, let us read what Matthew 27:46 says,
”And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice saying, Eli, Eli, why hast thou forsaken me?"
Jesus was asking God why he was being forsaken. If Jesus was actually forsaken on the cross that means he was not righteous at the point of crucifixion. If then Jesus was not righteous at the point of crucifixion, what is the fate of over one billion Christians we have in the world today?

Jesus Christ was a righteous messenger of God and God could not have forsaken him that is why the Quran says in sura An-Nisaa,
" And for their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but another was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain"
" Rather, Allah raised him to Himself. And ever is Allah Exalted in Might and Wise.

The Bible again says in Hebrews 5:7,
" (Jesus) who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, AND WAS HEARD IN THAT HE FEARED"

If Jesus strongly cried to God and tears unto God and his prayers were heard by God, then Jesus did not die. If Jesus died, that means God did not answer Jesus' prayers. Now, if during the last days of Jesus, God did not answer his prayers, are those who rely on Jesus not in soup?

Be careful of the lies you spread and don't incur earthly and eternal wrath.


Revelation 22:19 (KJV)

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Jesus can and will never lie, I pray that God touches you in Jesus name Amen.

Tboy222:



Be careful of the lies you spread and don't incur earthly and eternal wrath.


Revelation 22:19 (KJV)

And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Jesus can and will never lie, I pray that God touches you in Jesus name Amen.

Abeg if you don't have anything to prove i lie except this thrash you types please don't mention me again!
You came here calling me a liar without pointing out the lies! Doesn't that make you the liar!

The Book of revelation you even quoted was not referinng to the whole Bible nor even the new testaments as it was not compiled together
and not by the same author!

Open your brain as the Bible is a collection of independent Books some founding fathers agree upon to be scriptures for the modern Christians !

Iamziggy:
Wetin u edit like dis... Wats d diff

The Topic was modified!

Steep:
see stupidity.
In Christianity salvation is guaranteed through Jesus because he paid the price but you shall perish in your sins with nobody to pay.

Where is "Christianity" mentioned anywhere in the Bible as a religion? It is a cult started after Jesus left the earth! Real Stupidity is following a religion started by unknown men and attributed to Jesus!

Allah or Mohammad can not guarantee you salvation because you all your good works and religious piety is to earn you paradise yet they never did what a miserable life but here is the Son of God offering you what allah and Mohammad can not offer the salvation for your soul, do you reject?

With Islam you don't know where you are going to, you are simply in darkness.

I don't even understand most of what you are typing! Learn to improve on your "typo" to communicate better. Holy Spirit can't help you here. Na "works" go do.

Look at Jesus statement

Luke 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

So you are calling Jesus a mad man calling alcoholic wine blood right? How is wine blood?

Ok you said the injeel has being corrupted right?

Yes it has been! Injeel is the revelation revealed to Jesus. Do you have it?

Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

Now this is a passage from the prophet Isaiah

The prophet confirms that the person who that passage is talking about was made an offering for sin.

Where is the name of Jesus mentioned in the Isaiah verse you quoted?
Do you mean your LORD bruised Himself (Jesus) to death on the cross?
So saying the Romans killed Jesus was a lie. Your LORD is the murderer of Himself!

Do you now see your stupidity?
Mohamad was lost as he did not know the truth hence the reason he rejected his only hope for salvation which is Jesus christ.

Yes, i can now see your folly and stupidity! It seems when you became a Christian all atom of sense is removed and replaced with idiocy!

Same Jesus that can't save himself from birth that your LORD had to send the Angel to warn his adopted father to protect your God by running away with him. How does humans protect God?

AntiChristian:
Where is "Christianity" mentioned anywhere in the Bible as a religion? It is a cult started after Jesus left the earth! Real Stupidity is following a religion started by unknown men and attributed to Jesus!

I don't even understand most of what you are typing! Learn to improve on your "typo" to communicate better. Holy Spirit can't help you here. Na "works" go do.

So you are calling Jesus a mad man calling alcoholic wine blood right? How is wine blood?

Yes it has been! Injeel is the revelation revealed to Jesus. Do you have it?



Where is the name of Jesus mentioned in the Isaiah verse you quoted?
Do you mean your LORD bruised Himself (Jesus) to death on the cross?
So saying the Romans killed Jesus was a lie. Your LORD is the murderer of Himself!


Yes, i can now see your folly and stupidity! It seems when you became a Christian all atom of sense is removed and replaced with idiocy!

Same Jesus that can't save himself from birth that your LORD had to send the Angel to warn his adopted father to protect your God by running away with him. How does humans protect God?

The prophet Isaiah prophesied that someone will come to die or the sins of his people, so who in history was ever said to died for sin of men if not Jesus?
According to Isaiah this person is a servant of God, so who amongst God's servant was ever a sacrifice for sin

Steep:

The prophet Isaiah prophesied that someone will come to die or the sins of his people, so who in history was ever said to died for sin of men if not Jesus?
According to Isaiah this person is a servant of God, so who amongst God's servant was ever a sacrifice for sin

Jesus was never a servant of God but God's son! He is God's son and God himself in Trinity so stop telling lies that God is a servant to himself!

AntiChristian:


Jesus was never a servant of God but God's son! He is God's son and God himself in Trinity so stop telling lies that God is a servant to himself!

Jesus is both God's servant and God's Son just a Son can work for his father and therefore be called his father's worker but however does not take away the fact that he is a Son.

You have not answered the question? Who is the servant of God that died for the sin of men?

Steep:

Jesus is both God's servant and God's Son just a Son can work for his father and therefore be called his father's worker but however does not take away the fact that he is a Son.

You have not answered the question? Who is the servant of God that died for the sin of men?

You should tell me where Jesus is written as God's servant in that Isaiah verse!

No where was Jesus ever mentioned in the whole Old Testament! It's just your wild guess!

AntiChristian:


You should tell me where Jesus is written as God's servant in that Isaiah verse!

No where was Jesus ever mentioned in the whole Old Testament! It's just your wild guess!

I am asking you who is the servant?
Atleast you agree that there is a servant of yahweh that will be a sacrifice for sin? You agree with Isaiah that without the sacrifice of this servant peoples sin can not be removed.

Isaiah 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.


Who is that righteous servant of God through whom sinners are justified?

Do you agree that servant of God is greater than all other servants?

Anti Christian don run

Dear Brother Antichristian:

Objection of Antichristian:
Jesus Didn't Die for Anyone's Sin nor to save everyone from sin

You started with a notion that Jesus could have died for our sins only if he actually died whereas he was not killed neither was he crucified.

The site you were quoting used a two pronged attack
1. On the reliability of the gospels because they were written well after the Death of Christ by non eye witnesses
2. Apparent Contradictions of narrations in the gospels

His Arguments:
1. The gospels were written well after the events in the gospels by people who were not eye witnesses.
Response:
Of course the gospels were written years after the events of the crucifixion of Christ
A. However, the story was a common oral narration known by the belivers as Luke stated.

Luk 1:2-3:
"Even as they delivered them to us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses , and ministers of the word; It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write to you in order, most excellent Theophilus,"
a. The narratives were delivered to them by eye witnesses
b. Luke claimed that he had a perfect understanding from the beginning.
B. The Book of John was by the disciple of Jesus AND he was a direct eye witness at the crucifixion of Jesus.

Verdict:
Except Muslims can ALSO concede that ALL the Hadiths and Tafsirs are untrustworthy as they were written well after the death of Mohammed. All the New testament was written before 70AD. Sahih Bukhari was about 300 years after.

i. The Qur'an was also an oral recitations before it was compiled AFTER the death of Mohammed and Umar had to even burn copies of the Qur'an after as they contained differences with each other.
ii. Was anyone an eye witness to Mohammed recieving the Qur'an?


2. Luke didnt claim he was writing the Scripture for God as he was addressing Theophilus.

Response:
No Christian or Jew have EVER acclaimed that what they call their scripture was a DIRECT word DICTATED by God. Only the Qur'an claim to be the EXACT dictated words of Allah among ALL the scripture of the Jews and Christians.

The Scriptures of the Jews and Christians consists of History, Law, Poetry, Doctrine and Letters written by the inspiration of God (God moving men to Chronicle Gods relation to men in times, events and instructions that those who read can learn). In that sense, no single scripture was dictated by God. The scripture therefore has the signature/style and perception of men it its writeup.

3. Contradictions as per whether only One or Both thieves mocked Jesus.

Response:
No contradictions as both are correct. The mocking was initially by both men (as they desire Jesus to save them from the cross) until the other realized that this Jesus was not coming off the cross and He is the Messiah, thus he was convicted and asked Jesus:
"Remember me, when you come to your kingdom."

Verdict:
No contradictions. It was a case of repentance by one of the thieves.

4. Contradictions as per the time of Jesus's Crucifixion .
Response:
Mark was Third Hour while Luke was Sixth Hour. No contradictions because it was a case of difference in perception by people with no clock. In those days,
a. Time was divided into a three hour quadrant. Thus youll hear of the 3rd hour, 6th Hour, 9th Hour, 12th Hour and never in-between times like 5th or 7th hour.
b. Approximate time was Dependent on the way a person perceive the angle of elevation of the sun as the 4th and 5th hour could either be rounded up or down to 3rd or 6th hour by their perception.
c. Of course, there were no clocks nor watches and few people own a sun dial.

If you doubt, when Mohammed claimed that he has been victorious by Terror for a journey of one month journey, can you tell us exactly how MANY kilometres that is?
(Al-Bukhari Hadeeth 335)


5. Argument that the LORD loves the just and will not forsake his faithful ones according to Psalm 37:28
contradicting Matthew 27:46 where the bible says,
”And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice saying, Eli, Eli, why hast thou forsaken me?

Response:
I'm sure God did not say that a just person would neighter be persecuted nor killed. God says that He will NOT forsake the Righteous!
A. Jesus was pointing people to Read Psalm that speaks about the prophecy of the Crucifixion of the Messiah.

Ps 22:1-9,12-13,16-18,31:
"To the chief Musician upon Aijeleth Shahar, A Psalm of David. My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? why are you so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring? O my God, I cry in the day time, but you hear not; and in the night season, and am not silent. But you are holy, O you that inhabit the praises of Israel. Our fathers trusted in you: they trusted, and you did deliver them. They cried to you, and were delivered: they trusted in you, and were not confounded. But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people. All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying, He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him. But you are he that took me out of the womb: you did make me hope when I was on my mother's breasts. … Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round. They gaped on me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion. … For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have enclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. I may tell all my bones: they look and stare on me. They part my garments among them, and cast lots on my clothing. … They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness to a people that shall be born, that he has done this."

The coincidence is mind boggling for the Messiah.
People that shall be born in future shall know the Righteousness of the Messiah for he was not guilty of any sin.

B. If a Prophet was KILLED but the same prophet rose up from the dead, has the prophet been delivered from both men and death or not.

C. Even Jesus spoke about the treatment of the Prophets of Old by Jews.
Mat 23:34:
"Why, behold, I send to you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them you shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall you whip in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: "

Jesus even promised us as Christians that we shall face persecution from people like you.

John 16:33:
"These things I have spoken to you, that in me you might have peace. In the world you shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world."


Even during persecution, God does NOT forsake His own.
Luk 12:11-12:
"And when they bring you to the synagogues, and to magistrates, and powers, take you no thought how or what thing you shall answer, or what you shall say: For the Holy Ghost shall teach you in the same hour what you ought to say."

Now that I have Answered your Questions and Objections, can you kindly BEFORE ANYTHING First answer mine?



1. If Jesus was NOT crucified, who was the innocent man that was Crucified in place of Jesus?
2. If an innocent man was crucified, is God not unjust?
3. It is understandable if Allah Deceived the Jews and the Romans. Can you as a Muslim please explain the logical reason why Allah Deceived ALSO Mary the Mother of Jesus, all Jesus Disciples, Jesus's Family (brothers and sisters) and all followers and friends of Jesus?

Mr Antichristian, What did the Scriptures by prophecy say about the Messiah:

Isa 53:1-12:
"Who has believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he has no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he has borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was on him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he opens not his mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he has put him to grief: when you shall make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he has poured out his soul to death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."


Mr Antichristian, can you explain
HOW CAN A PERSON WHO POURED OUT HIS SOUL TO DEATH SEE HIS OFFSPRING?

How can the Messiah
1. Be born to grow up like a tender shoot
2. Rejected by Men
3. Stricken, afflicted, smitten
4. Our Iniquities (sin and unrighteousness) were laid upon him
5. How can the Messiah carry on Himself the sins of many?
6. How come the Messiah was wounded for our transgressions?


Did Jesus die for Antichristian's sin? Yes!

If you believe the contrary, then explain
1. Why the Messiah is both a Man, the Spirit of God and the Word of God as the ONLY human in the universe that fulfills this?

2. Why would God create a Man who is SINLESS as all descendants of Adam are?

3. Why Did God make a man who does NOT have a Father because He was born through a virgin (with no proof whatsoever: only Mary could have known the truth)?

4. Why is it that according to Islam, the same Jesus was taken ALIVE to God : Why?
5. How come according to Islam this same man is the only one who shares creation ability with Allah? Didn't he mold a bird and breathe into it (even if it was by the permission of Allah)

What is so special about this Jesus that the Jews rejected Him?
What was God doing with the Messiah that He went that far


We as Christians know the answer!
Jesus was the LAMB of God who by His perfect Sacrifice can PAY for the sin of Humanity so that you can be free and delivered from Hell Fire.

TenQ:
Mr Antichristian, What did the Scriptures by prophecy say about the Messiah:

Isa 53:1-12:
"Who has believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he has no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he has borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was on him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he opens not his mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he has put him to grief: when you shall make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he has poured out his soul to death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."


Mr Antichristian, can you explain
HOW CAN A PERSON WHO POURED OUT HIS SOUL TO DEATH SEE HIS OFFSPRING?

How can the Messiah
1. Be born to grow up like a tender shoot
2. Rejected by Men
3. Stricken, afflicted, smitten
4. Our Iniquities (sin and unrighteousness) were laid upon him
5. How can the Messiah carry on Himself the sins of many?
6. How come the Messiah was wounded for our transgressions?


Did Jesus die for Antichristian's sin? Yes!

If you believe the contrary, then explain
1. Why the Messiah is both a Man, the Spirit of God and the Word of God as the ONLY human in the universe that fulfills this?

2. Why would God create a Man who is SINLESS as all descendants of Adam are?

3. Why Did God make a man who does NOT have a Father because He was born through a virgin (with no proof whatsoever: only Mary could have known the truth)?

4. Why is it that according to Islam, the same Jesus was taken ALIVE to God : Why?
5. How come according to Islam this same man is the only one who shares creation ability with Allah? Didn't he mold a bird and breathe into it (even if it was by the permission of Allah)

What is so special about this Jesus that the Jews rejected Him?
What was God doing with the Messiah that He went that far


We as Christians know the answer!
Jesus was the LAMB of God who by His perfect Sacrifice can PAY for the sin of Humanity so that you can be free and delivered from Hell Fire.

Where was Jesus mentioned in the Isaiah prophecy?

The biblical narrative was tailored albeit unprofessionally to fit into those narratives of Isaiah!

But all still remain permutations!

AntiChristian:


Where was Jesus mentioned in the Isaiah prophecy?

The biblical narrative was tailored albeit unprofessionally to fit into those narratives of Isaiah!

But all still remain permutations!

Why are you running away? Then who is the servant of God who became the sacrifice for sin if not Jesus?

Did you ask this so that you would not answer my own Question?

Did Jesus die for Antichristian's sin? Yes!

If you believe the contrary, then explain
1. Why the Messiah is both a Man, the Spirit of God and the Word of God as the ONLY human in the universe that fulfills this?

2. Why would God create a Man who is SINLESS as all descendants of Adam are?

3. Why Did God make a man who does NOT have a Father because He was born through a virgin (with no proof whatsoever: only Mary could have known the truth)?

4. Why is it that according to Islam, the same Jesus was taken ALIVE to God : Why?
5. How come according to Islam this same man is the only one who shares creation ability with Allah? Didn't he mold a bird and breathe into it (even if it was by the permission of Allah)

AntiChristian:


Where was Jesus mentioned in the Isaiah prophecy?

The biblical narrative was tailored albeit unprofessionally to fit into those narratives of Isaiah!

But all still remain permutations!

The prophecy was about the Messiah and the Messiah could have been given ANY name on earth.

If you think this is a permutation
Can you then explain how Prophet Isaiah 600 years before Jesus wrote that
1. The Messiah would be born in a regular manner
2. The Messiah would be hated by men
3. The Messiah would be killed and would be pierced
4. And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death
5. But then, the killed Messiah will see His seed. How would a dead man see his seed?
You should have an answer now!?

And the same chapter says the REASON
1. To bear the sin of many
2. The Messiah was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities
3. The Messiah's soul was actually made an offering for SIN!

Tell me how ANY human being can fulfill these permutations?


So, can you now answer my Questions?
Did Jesus die for Antichristian's sin? Yes!


If you believe the contrary, then explain
1. Why the Messiah is both a Man, the Spirit of God and the Word of God as the ONLY human in the universe that fulfills this?

2. Why would God create a Man who is SINLESS as all descendants of Adam are?

3. Why Did God make a man who does NOT have a Father because He was born through a virgin (with no proof whatsoever: only Mary could have known the truth)?

4. Why is it that according to Islam, the same Jesus was taken ALIVE to God : Why?
5. How come according to Islam this same man is the only one who shares creation ability with Allah? Didn't he mold a bird and breathe into it (even if it was by the permission of Allah)





Thank you

Steep:

The prophet Isaiah prophesied that someone will come to die or the sins of his people, so who in history was ever said to died for sin of men if not Jesus?
According to Isaiah this person is a servant of God, so who amongst God's servant was ever a sacrifice for sin

When did Isaiah make this prophecy?

Don't quote 53...because everyone know the suffering servant is Israel ..

Jesus dying for sin is in the realm of Lucifer..

It has got nothing to do with God.

God already gave the solution to the problem of sin in the Tanakh. 2nd chronicles 7:14..

God hates human sacrifice.it is an abomination.