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Re: The Marvelous Culture Of The Igbos And Igboland by Abagworo(m): 7:55am On Mar 27, 2013 |
ChinenyeN: Etche was not really involved in oracle. The Ozuzu people were Aros and they were also the ones that went up to Umunoha to establish Igwekala. That is the wide belief in Etcheland. Again, you seem to lean so much on the shared culture between Ngwa and Etche probably because of the Omuma side of Etche with Ngwa influence. Etche have more cultural similarity with Uratta(Ngor-Okpala-Owerri) and Ikwerre than with Ngwa. It can however be argued that the stretch of land from Owerri to Ndoki, Mbaise and Umuahia are kind of related. |
Re: The Marvelous Culture Of The Igbos And Igboland by odumchi: 6:05am On Mar 28, 2013 |
Odenigbo Aroli: Honestly, it escapes me why you continue to speak in such an obnoxious manner that smacks of pure disrespect and ignorance. It seems as if the deeper we go into this conversation, the more you display your inherent lack of understanding and ignorance on anything and everything non-Nri and non-Anambra, especially Aro culture and society. The sad part is that you can't even differentiate the Aro from the Abam. The Abam (along with their Ohafia and Abiriba neighbors) were responsible for many of the sporadic raids and invasions that took place in northern and southern Igboland. The Aro, on the other hand, were businesspeople who were most interested in establishing commercial relationships and establishing trading centers. Through strategic marriages, business alliances, and of course, the legal and law enforcement traditions upheld by the Ekpe and Okonko institutions, the Aro became the main powerbrokers in the hinterland trade network. For your information, the British did not destroy Aro. They simply occupied Arochukwu in order to dislodge Ibini Ukpabi (which is still intact, today) and its oligarchy of priests from power. There was never any postcolonial absorption of Aro peoples by anybody, not to talk of distant Nri. http://books.google.com/books?id=n0lI5c9trSAC&pg=PA125&lpg=PA124&dq=aro+slave+trade&output=html_text According to the above document, Eze Nri Ewelana placed a "curse" on the Abam (who were inflicting terrible losses in northern Igboland) and subsequently on their Aro friends (who seemed to draw benefits from the Abam raids), making it it no longer an offense to kill Aro and Abam people. I believe this is the reason why the Aro were disliked in Nri lands, and equally why Abam raids were fiercest there. At the same time, that's no excuse for you to act senselessly. 1 Like |
Re: The Marvelous Culture Of The Igbos And Igboland by odumchi: 6:24am On Mar 28, 2013 |
ChinenyeN: I see. I appreciate the richly detailed response. However, it seems as if I am still not through with my investigations on Amadiora. The more we progress, the more intriguing it all sounds. Perhaps a northern Igbo could help us here. |
Re: The Marvelous Culture Of The Igbos And Igboland by Abagworo(m): 10:05am On Mar 28, 2013 |
odumchi: There are many Aro settlements in Northern Igboland. Any settlement that starts with "Ndi" is more or less Aro settlement. I believe "Ndi" was an Igbo translation of the Ibibio "Ikot". |
Re: The Marvelous Culture Of The Igbos And Igboland by odumchi: 1:47pm On Mar 28, 2013 |
Abagworo: I didn't say there weren't. |
Re: The Marvelous Culture Of The Igbos And Igboland by NRIPRIEST(m): 5:44pm On Mar 28, 2013 |
Odumchi,onye ka I na akpo "senseless" ? Nwokem,dokwaa onwe gi ka ogwu! |
Re: The Marvelous Culture Of The Igbos And Igboland by NRIPRIEST(m): 5:59pm On Mar 28, 2013 |
According to you "Okhe amadi" is used to describe a well respectable aged man in Ngwa/Etche axis and you likened it to "Ichie",which is misleading." Ichie" in Nri tradition is someone who has not only taken the Ozo title but has also taken the eminence status of the institution. When one reaches this level their red hat is decorated with multiple feathers and they must have the "Okike"(elephant tusk),they must have a scarification on their arms nor leg and a thread around their ankle. This is when one becomes an "Ndichie". Its way different from being an aged and respectable man. Nwa Ngwa take note. |
Re: The Marvelous Culture Of The Igbos And Igboland by NRIPRIEST(m): 6:06pm On Mar 28, 2013 |
In another vein,"Amadi" is also an Nze na Ozo name and we greet one of my uncle by that name. We say "Amadi ndi ichie" because he is an "Ichie". Its probably where the honor that is alluded to the name originated from. I see Nri influence actually went all the way to the coastal line. Keep lieing to yourself..Onye bu onye uzo wee sibe ite na akia enwe ngwo-ngwo agha...Ani Nri di uso. |
Re: The Marvelous Culture Of The Igbos And Igboland by NRIPRIEST(m): 6:23pm On Mar 28, 2013 |
odumchi: Point of correction,mister, we don't know what is Amadioha until recently,post colonial to be exact. Most northern Igbo town worshipped the "ogwugwu" deity. Example "ogwugwu" Omenani of Onicha,"ogwugwu" akpu of Okija. Yes,that famous and powerful shrine in Okija is an "Nri" deity.I can tell you that the whole Northern Igbo(Anambra,Enugu,Anioma parts of Imo and Ebonyi) never worshipped Amadioha nor Ubinu ukpabi. Case closed. |
Re: The Marvelous Culture Of The Igbos And Igboland by NRIPRIEST(m): 6:28pm On Mar 28, 2013 |
And the concept of "chukwu" came to us through the missionaries and I can tell you that it wasn't because there is some Oracle in Arochukwu called Ubinu ukpabi. We northern Igbo used "Chi" prior to the coming of the missionaries. And when the missionaries brought christianity we refered to almighty God as "Olisebuluwa",Chukwu,Chineke and so on. |
Re: The Marvelous Culture Of The Igbos And Igboland by odumchi: 6:42pm On Mar 28, 2013 |
NRI PRIEST: If Amadiora is foreign to Idemili, how come Amadiora existed in Chinua Achebe's "Things Fall Apart" (which is set in Idemili)? Besides, the word "Amadiora" itself is even northern since southern groups don't say "ora". NRI PRIEST: Odumchi,onye ka I na akpo "senseless" ? Nwokem,dokwaa onwe gi ka ogwu! M kwuviere onu, k'o I nuu ihe m si? |
Re: The Marvelous Culture Of The Igbos And Igboland by Ojiofor: 7:12pm On Mar 28, 2013 |
Nwa Nri take am easy!Your neigbhours can be paying you homage as you desire but don't push it further...Umu Bende don't know where Nri is talkless of influencing our culture.Igbo people are still evolving as a nation your campaign to claim very single Igbo cluture as Nri invention is laughable...meanwhile your neighbours are pointing fingers that you are new arrivals to their Land. 1 Like |
Re: The Marvelous Culture Of The Igbos And Igboland by ChinenyeN(m): 8:20pm On Mar 28, 2013 |
NRI PRIEST: According to you "Okhe amadi" is used to describe a well respectable aged man in Ngwa/Etche axis and you likened it to "Ichie",which is misleading." Ichie" in Nri tradition is someone who has not only taken the Ozo title but has also taken the eminence status of the institution. When one reaches this level their red hat is decorated with multiple feathers and they must have the "Okike"(elephant tusk),they must have a scarification on their arms nor leg and a thread around their ankle. This is when one becomes an "Ndichie". Its way different from being an aged and respectable man. NRI PRIEST: In another vein,"Amadi" is also an Nze na Ozo name and we greet one of my uncle by that name. We say "Amadi ndi ichie" because he is an "Ichie". Its probably where the honor that is alluded to the name originated from. I see Nri influence actually went all the way to the coastal line. Keep lieing to yourself..Onye bu onye uzo wee sibe ite na akia enwe ngwo-ngwo agha...Ani Nri di uso. Not surprisingly, you completely missed the point of what I said, and are instead veering off on a tangent. I'm not even going to waste my time on you anymore, until you actually care to hold a discussion and not an argument. |
Re: The Marvelous Culture Of The Igbos And Igboland by ChinenyeN(m): 8:26pm On Mar 28, 2013 |
Abagworo: I know Etche as a group was not involved, but Ozuzu was, and Ozuzu constitutes a part of Etche. As for Ozuzu and the suppose Aro link, I've heard of that. I have my reservations about it. Also, I've never been in the business of comparing Uratta/Etche affinity with Ngwa/Etche affinity. I'm not familiar with Uratta, so very rarely do I mention them, but I will mention Etche, because I'm much more familiar with them and I am largely aware of the cultural and historical affinity between they and Ngwa and even Ikwere and Ngwa. |
Re: The Marvelous Culture Of The Igbos And Igboland by salam001(m): 8:44pm On Mar 28, 2013 |
The many lies of the Igboukwu people,Nri was never Igala,what an intresting rebuttal http://www.igbofocus.com/html/nri_is_the_focus_in_igbo_.html |
Re: The Marvelous Culture Of The Igbos And Igboland by NRIPRIEST(m): 8:57pm On Mar 28, 2013 |
salam001: The many lies of the Igboukwu people,Nri was never Igala,what an intresting rebuttal http://www.igbofocus.com/html/nri_is_the_focus_in_igbo_.html Kaaaaabooooom! Laugh wan tear my belle! Nwanne,na eziokwu,nwata adi ebu nnia uzo amuta diokpa! Onye obuna sili na Ana Nri adiria mma nya gupu onwie na Igbo....Umu Nri di uso! Deme nu! |
Re: The Marvelous Culture Of The Igbos And Igboland by salam001(m): 9:28pm On Mar 28, 2013 |
NRI PRIEST:its high time we nip this "Nri from Igala" nonsense in its bud maka na Busu si na ife me na o yuo Nsi o jiri aja kpochie ya bu maka na o diro a fia aru,ife mmadu a ho ife onye ozo if we keep mute,the lie will spread as fact |
Re: The Marvelous Culture Of The Igbos And Igboland by NRIPRIEST(m): 9:40pm On Mar 28, 2013 |
Salam,from that article you posted I was made to understand that it was Oraeri that probably owned the metal works that were unearthed at Igbo-ukwu. You see Onwuejeogwu wrote extensively on the connection and of the excavation site and Nri and most of "ndi osu imi" that are attacking me here know the truth. Abagworo has always quoted Onwuejeogwu but today he is posting contradictory articles. Jealousy is a disease! |
Re: The Marvelous Culture Of The Igbos And Igboland by Abagworo(m): 1:20am On Mar 29, 2013 |
NRI PRIEST: Salam,from that article you posted I was made to understand that it was Oraeri that probably owned the metal works that were unearthed at Igbo-ukwu. You see Onwuejeogwu wrote extensively on the connection and of the excavation site and Nri and most of "ndi osu imi" that are attacking me here know the truth. Abagworo has always quoted Onwuejeogwu but today he is posting contradictory articles. Jealousy is a disease! Igboukwu or Igbonkwo people believe they existed before Nri and the artifact on which Nri was dated to 9th centurey AD was unearthed at Igbonkwo. Nri people have an undeniable place in emergent Igbo culture but not in Igbo origin. Like I've always maintained, there was no Igbo ethnic group as recently as 1900 and most Igbos are not originated from same source and nothing can change that. There is nothing like absolute Igbo culture per say which any group can lay claim to. Even the languages are quite divergent and an Nri man cannot understand Owerri or Ngwa or Abiriba or Ezza. |
Re: The Marvelous Culture Of The Igbos And Igboland by OdenigboAroli(m): 7:01am On Mar 29, 2013 |
Abagworo: "believed they existed before Nri" without any any single landmark to prove their belief. By the way research has proved that the land in which the Igboukwu people live in today was formerly the ancentral land of the Ora-Eri people. The Igboukwu folks,moreover,they(Igboukwu) openly admitted that the land was formerly an Oraeri land.The said land was taken through conquest. The traditions Igboukwu practice today is the Nri traditions. I dont know why the are trying to expose themselves. Not smart. |
Re: The Marvelous Culture Of The Igbos And Igboland by Antivirus92(m): 2:32pm On Mar 30, 2013 |
Odenigbo Aroli:nwannem leave those guys to do their discussion. We're not the same with them really. |
Re: The Marvelous Culture Of The Igbos And Igboland by Antivirus92(m): 2:48pm On Mar 30, 2013 |
Igbo is an amalgamation of different groups of people yet no traces of dead languages....wonderful!, nri influence does not reach imo & abia Yet there is eke,oye,afor,nkwo which is nri an invention in imo and abia....miracle, awka is not an nri settlement yet out of the 33 villages in awka today, one of them is UMUERI by name....funny, igbo people are of diverse origin yet common anscestral names like nkwerre/nkwelle,ifite/ihite,onicha etc ran across igboland....hilarious!. They keep talking about diverse igbo culture but could not provide one good example of it if not iwa ji/ifejioku and ikeji(which is the same ), nze na ozo and ekpe(a foreign culture which has it's root outside south-east). Nri priest please leave these guys to do their discussion. Their minds are fixed somewhere. |
Re: The Marvelous Culture Of The Igbos And Igboland by odumchi: 2:59pm On Mar 30, 2013 |
Antivirus92: Nri priest please leave these guys to do their discussion. Their minds are fixed somewhere. Inyi za ebe a puo ngwangwa! When it befits you to analyze your position in Igbo affairs as one of shareholders and not one of landlords, then can we make progress. But as for now, things will remain as is. By the way, I'm still wondering why Nri has refused to answer my question about why Amadiora was mentioned in "Things Fall Apart", even though he claims it didn't exist in the north. 1 Like |
Re: The Marvelous Culture Of The Igbos And Igboland by Antivirus92(m): 3:20pm On Mar 30, 2013 |
odumchi:why are you contradicting urself? Maybe achebe made a mistake. We're not the same people,we have diverse culture and origin so why should we have one god;amadioha/amadiora?. Have ever heard that ijaw and ibibio though in the same ss have one god? |
Re: The Marvelous Culture Of The Igbos And Igboland by Antivirus92(m): 3:31pm On Mar 30, 2013 |
Yes, i talk about igbo things with pride and as a land lord because that's what i was made to understand. I am an igbo and my fore-fathers founded the igbo and its cultures/traditions. I am not a foreigner from bini like onitsha people or other southern people. I don't really give a damn about the behaviours of you guys, you're on ur own. One thing i will like u guys to know is that we have grown past "this people claim to migrate from here or there" where as it does not reflect in the language and culture of the people in question. |
Re: The Marvelous Culture Of The Igbos And Igboland by odumchi: 3:34pm On Mar 30, 2013 |
Antivirus92: Yes, i talk about Made a few necessary corrections... 1 Like |
Re: The Marvelous Culture Of The Igbos And Igboland by odumchi: 3:37pm On Mar 30, 2013 |
Antivirus92: why are you contradicting urself? Maybe achebe made a mistake. We're not the same people,we have diverse culture and origin so why should we have one god;amadioha/amadiora?. Have ever heard that ijaw and ibibio though in the same ss have one god? Talk about contradiction! ![]() So it's now that you want to play that "we have diverse cultures and origins" card? Ochi egbuole m wo! |
Re: The Marvelous Culture Of The Igbos And Igboland by Antivirus92(m): 3:51pm On Mar 30, 2013 |
odumchi:i thought that you are wise but ... I just made that statement to ridicule you, you claim that we have diverse culture and origin yet you're trying to know why nri priest rejected your amadiora! |
Re: The Marvelous Culture Of The Igbos And Igboland by Antivirus92(m): 3:56pm On Mar 30, 2013 |
odumchi:then all of this ur thread should be deleted and the title be changed to "arochukwu culture" because every thing in it is of arochukwu(ibibio) and not igbo. I will say it again, my anscestors founded the igbo and it's cultures/traditions. |
Re: The Marvelous Culture Of The Igbos And Igboland by odumchi: 4:22pm On Mar 30, 2013 |
Antivirus92: then all of this ur thread should be deleted and the title be changed to "arochukwu culture" because every thing in it is of arochukwu(ibibio) and not igbo. I will say it again, my anscestors founded the igbo and it's cultures/traditions. If you had read one of my earlier posts in which I admitted that I was biased in my perspective, you wouldn't have made that statement. It's nearly impossible to make a thread about "Igbo culture" without exhibiting some partiality or bias. The only way to make a truly "Igbo" thread this is to include components of all of the subcultures from Ukwuani to Arochukwu and Nsuka to Ikwere. |
Re: The Marvelous Culture Of The Igbos And Igboland by odumchi: 4:26pm On Mar 30, 2013 |
Antivirus92: i thought that you are wise but ... I just made that statement to ridicule you, you claim that we have diverse culture and origin yet you're trying to know why nri priest rejected your amadiora! Amadiora isn't mine. According to Chinua Achebe, it's yours. Since none of you have bothered to provide any substantial evidence to dispel that, I'm forced to maintain my belief. |
Re: The Marvelous Culture Of The Igbos And Igboland by ifyalways(f): 4:32pm On Mar 30, 2013 |
Bwahahaha. . .Ndi Igbo di egwu. Picking a few things from this thread though.No comment @ all the funny inputs ![]() |
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