Muhammad was misguided and lost before Allah claimed to have sent him but Muslims always lie that Allah doesn't sent the misguided.

"We found you lost and guided [you]"

“wawajadaka ḍāllan fahad
-surah 93:7


The word used is ضَالًّا dallan, which means lost, astray, misguided. That was what Muhammad was before he was named a prophet by Waraqa !

Muhammad confessed that he didn’t know the right direction:

Say, "Indeed, I do not possess for you harm or right direction."
-Quran 72:21

Muhammad said that he didn’t know what will be done to him or his followers

Say, "I am not something original among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow that which is revealed to me, and I am not but a clear warner."
-Quran 46:9

On the other hand,

Jesus proclaimed that he was The Way to God,

Jesus proclaimed that he was going to prepare the place in his Father’s house where his followers will stay for eternity

"I am going to the Father to prepare a place for you and I will come back to take you so where I will be you will you also will be"
-John 14:3

Jesus said to him, “ I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.“
-John 14:6

Jesus knew where he was going, he knew where his followers were going, Muhammad didn’t !

Why would any rational person follow someone who doesn’t know the way or his fate?

hmmm, wahala, wait for them

Midehi3:
hmmm, wahala, wait for them

They should be arguing with facts!

The truth is that many of them do not understand their religion. They are only muslims because their parents are muslims.

Truvelisback:
The truth is that many of them do not understand their religion. They are only muslims because their parents are muslims.

Atleast some understood Alhamdulilahi...

How many christians understood Christianity today in Nigeria alone?

Abraham was lost before he was found, would you have believed the prophets of old (Noah) who came before Jesus if you were to be in his era and why?

Funny enough Most christians are christians because of there parents are fact.

Any intellectual challenge to the Muslim ideologies is seen in this country as forbidden because the whole place is filled with bigots. So this thread will likely be deleted or archived

Truvelisback:
The truth is that many of them do not understand their religion. They are only muslims because their parents are muslims.

And they have refused to read their books with open minds, their books is enough for them to know that they are being deceived!

If only they will study to understand and not cram!

haekymbahd:
Atleast some understood Alhamdulilahi...

How many christians understood Christianity?

Abraham was lost before he was found, would you have believed the prophets of old [b](Noah)[/b]who came before Jesus if you were to be in his era...

Christianity is Clear. There is nothing hidden but Islam isn't because they tend to hide the truth. 2ndly, Abraham wasn't lost. Why won't believe? Genuine Christains don't fight for their God and Christianity teaches abt morality. Every thing abt Islam is dishonesty, hypocritism, violence, lawlessness etc.

haekymbahd:


Abraham was lost before he was found, would you have believed the prophets of old (Noah) who came before Jesus if you were to be in his era and why?

Abraham was never lost, the fake Ibrahim of Islam and the Quran was the one that was lost!

The real Abraham was never lost!

That’s why you should free your mind from the deception of Islam!

advocatejare:

And they have refused to read their books with open minds, their books is enough for them to know that they are being deceived!

If only they will study to understand and not cram!

I guess they chose that because it gives them the chance to whatever that pleases them.

Truvelisback:
Christianity is Clear. There is nothing hidden but Islam isn't because they tend to hide the truth. 2ndly, Abraham wasn't lost. Why won't believe? Genuine Christains don't fight for their God and Christianity teaches abt morality. Every thing abt Islam is dishonesty, hypocritism, violence, lawlessness etc.

Thank you for telling Haekymbahd that Abraham wasn’t lost,

Muhammad gave them a fictional Abraham who was an idol worshipper in Islam worshiping the stars, moon and the sun:

And thus did We show Abraham the realm of the
heavens and the earth that he would be among
the certain [in faith]"
(QS.Al-An'aam 6: Verse 75)

"So when the night covered him [with darkness], he saw a star. He said, This is my lord. But when it set, he said, I like not those that disappear."
(QS.Al-An'aam 6: Verse 76)

"And when he saw the, moon rising, he said, This is my lord. But when it set, he said, Unless my Lord guides me, I will surely be among the people gone astray."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 77)


“And when he saw the sun rising, he said, "This is my lord; this is greater." But when it set, he said, "O my people, indeed I am free from what you associate with Allāh.”
(QS Al-An'aam 6: Verse 78)

Truvelisback:
I guess they chose that because it gives them the chance to whatever that pleases them.

Yes. It allows them to be cruel, wage war, maltreat women, cheat, lie, do prostitution and do all sorts of evil things imaginable

advocatejare:

Abraham was never lost, the fake Ibrahim of Islam and the Quran was the one that was lost!

The real Abraham was never lost!

That’s why you should free your mind from the deception of Islam!

Alright sir, I never knew Abraham was a worshipper of Yahwe from cradle funny xtians..

advocatejare:

And they have refused to read their books with open minds, their books is enough for them to know that they are being deceived!

If only they will study to understand and not cram!

The bold is the real problem.

Truvelisback:
Christianity is Clear. There is nothing hidden but Islam isn't because they tend to hide the truth. 2ndly, Abraham wasn't lost. Why won't believe? Genuine Christains don't fight for their God and Christianity teaches abt morality. Every thing abt Islam is dishonesty, hypocritism, violence, lawlessness etc.

Explain this verse to me sir with your holy spirit

Joshua 24:2-3, where Joshua said to the people of Israel,

Thus says Yahweh, the God of Israel, ‘From ancient times your fathers lived beyond the River, namely, Terah, the father of Abraham and the father of Nahor, and they served other gods. Then I took your father Abraham from beyond the River and led him through all the land of Canaan and multiplied his seed and gave him Isaac.’ (LSB)


At what age did Abraham started worshipping Yahwe if he was never lost at any time..

haekymbahd:
Alright sir, I never knew Abraham was a worshipper of Yahwe from cradle funny xtians..

But you “knew” he was an idolater?

haekymbahd:
Explain this verse to me sir with your holy spirit

Joshua 24:2-3, where Joshua said to the people of Israel,

Thus says Yahweh, the God of Israel, ‘From ancient times your fathers lived beyond the River, namely, Terah, the father of Abraham and the father of Nahor, and they served other gods. Then I took your father Abraham from beyond the River and led him through all the land of Canaan and multiplied his seed and gave him Isaac.’ (LSB)


At what age did Abraham started worshipping Yahwe if he was never lost at any time..

True, if u define that for "Lost" Abraham's father was an idol worshipper. However, God called him and revealed Himself to him.

Truvelisback:
True, if u define that for "Lost" Abraham's father was an idol worshipper. However, God called him and revealed Himself to him.

Same with Muhammad but why will your God who came to have earthly experience and not know the hour.


Jesus your God does not know his fate how can he know yours or any of his followers if he does know he wouldn't have said "Father, why art thou forsaken me" on the cross he should have known all along


Jesus does not know the will of God. God could still shock him once more just as he shocked him on the cross unless God tells him his will...

John 5
30. I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.

haekymbahd:
Same with Muhammad but why will your God who came to have earthly experience and not know the hour.


Jesus your God does not know his fate how can he know yours or any of his followers if he does know he wouldn't have said "Father, why art thou forsaken me" on the cross he should have known all along


Jesus does not know the will of God. God could still shock him once more just as he shocked him on the cross unless God tells him his will...

John 5
30. I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.

He knows His fate. If u understand the meaning of the word "Godhead", u won't be saying this.

Truvelisback:
He knows His fate. If u understand the meaning of the word "Godhead", u won't be saying this.

Allah has blinded his heart, he can’t reason clearly.

No wonder Allah says in the Quran that he will fill hell with them.



“ We had so willed, We could certainly have brought every soul its true guidance: but the Word from Me will come true, “I will fill Hell with Jinns and men all together.”
-Surah 32:13

Haekymbahd and LegalWolf look at Allah’s plan for you

I’d have mentioned AntiChristian but he’ll be wailing now that I’m mentioning him

The word daallan as used in the original verse is derived from dalalat, which has several meanings in Arabic. Its one meaning is to be lost in error and deviation; another, to be unaware of the way and to be bewildered at the crossroads as to which way one should choose; still another meaning is of being lost and astray.

The tree also is daallah which stands alone and lonely in the desert; the word dalal is also used for a thing which is wasting in unfavorable and uncongenial condition and climate, and also for heedlessness, of which there is an example in the Qur'an itself: La yadillu Rabbi wa la yansa:. "My Lord is neither heedless nor He forgets." ('Ta Ha: 52).

Out of these different meanings. The first meaning does not apply here, for in the historical accounts of the Holy Prophet's life, from childhood till just before Prophethood, there is no trace that he ever might have been involved in idolatry, polytheism or atheism, or in any of the acts, customs and practices of paganism prevalent among his people. Therefore, inevitably wa wa. jadaka daallan cannot mean that Allah had found him erring and astray in respect of creed or deed. The other meanings, however, can be applicable here in one or other aspect, and possibly all are applicable in their own particular aspect. Before Prophethood the Holy Prophet was certainly a believer in the existence of Allah and His Unity, and his life was free from sin and reflected excellent morals, yet he was unaware of true Faith, its principles and injunctions, as it has been pointed out in the Qur'an: "You did not know at all what was the Book and what was the Faith." (Ash-Shura: 52).

This verse may also mean that the Holy Prophet was lost in a society, engrossed in ignorance, and his personality as a guide and leader was not in anyway prominent before Prophethood. It may as well mean that in the desert of ignorance, he was standing like a lonely tree, which had the capability to bear fruit and turn the whole desert into a garden, but this capability was not being put to any use before Prophethood. It may also imply that the extraordinary powers that Allah had blessed him with, were going waste in the unfavorable environment of ignorance.

Dalal can also be taken in the meaning of heedlessness, so as to say: "You were heedless of the truths and sciences of which Allah made you aware after Prophethood." This thing also has been referred to in the Qur'an itself: "Though before this you were utterly unaware of these truths." (Yusuf: 3). (Also see AI-Baqarah: 282, Ash-Shu'ara: 20).

advocatejare:

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AntiChristian:
The word daallan as used in the original verse is derived from dalalat, which has several meanings in Arabic. Its one meaning is to be lost in error and deviation; another, to be unaware of the way and to be bewildered at the crossroads as to which way one should choose; still another meaning is of being lost and astray.

The tree also is daallah which stands alone and lonely in the desert; the word dalal is also used for a thing which is wasting in unfavorable and uncongenial condition and climate, and also for heedlessness, of which there is an example in the Qur'an itself: La yadillu Rabbi wa la yansa:. "My Lord is neither heedless nor He forgets." ('Ta Ha: 52).

Out of these different meanings. The first meaning does not apply here, for in the historical accounts of the Holy Prophet's life, from childhood till just before Prophethood, there is no trace that he ever might have been involved in idolatry, polytheism or atheism, or in any of the acts, customs and practices of paganism prevalent among his people.

Mr. Damage control
Why are you always lying like this?
How can you come and paste lies here that Muhammad never participated in the customs, acts and practices of paganism prevalent among his people?

The same Muhammad that fasted on the day of Ashurah like his pagan Quraysh did before he copied Ramdan fasting from another pagan.

We all know that the Quraysh were pagans


Sunan Abi Dawud 2442
'Aishah said:
The Quraish used to fast on the day of 'Ashurah in pre Islamic days. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) would fast on it in pre-Islamic period. When the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) came to Medina, he fasted on it and commanded to fast on it. When the fast of Ramadan was prescribed, that became obligatory, and (fasting on) 'Ashurah was abandoned. He who wishes may fast on it and he who wishes may leave it.

advocatejare:

Mr. Damage control
Why are you always lying like this?
How can you come and paste lies here that Muhammad never participated in the customs, acts and practices of paganism prevalent among his people?

The same Muhammad that fasted on the day of Ashurah like his pagan Quraysh did before he copied Ramdan fasting from another pagan.

We all know that the Quraysh were pagans


Sunan Abi Dawud 2442
'Aishah said:
The Quraish used to fast on the day of 'Ashurah in pre Islamic days. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) would fast on it in pre-Islamic period. When the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) came to Medina, he fasted on it and commanded to fast on it. When the fast of Ramadan was prescribed, that became obligatory, and (fasting on) 'Ashurah was abandoned. He who wishes may fast on it and he who wishes may leave it.

Stop presenting falsehood for people on your thread! The hadith was about Jews among the Quraish!

It was narrated by al-Bukhaari (1865) from Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him), who said: The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came to Madeenah and saw the Jews fasting on the day of ‘Ashoora’. He said, “What is this?” They said, “This is a good day, this is the day when Allaah saved the Children of Israel from their enemy and Moosa fasted on this day.” He said, “We are closer to Moosa than you.” So he fasted on this day and told the people to fast.

Abeg who is telling lies now?

AntiChristian:


Stop presenting falsehood for people on your thread! The hadith was about Jews among the Quraish!

It was narrated by al-Bukhaari (1865) from Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him), who said: The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came to Madeenah and saw the Jews fasting on the day of ‘Ashoora’. He said, “What is this?” They said, “This is a good day, this is the day when Allaah saved the Children of Israel from their enemy and Moosa fasted on this day.” He said, “We are closer to Moosa than you.” So he fasted on this day and told the people to fast.

Abeg who is telling lies now?

You’re the one telling lies and you are saying that your sahih Hadith is a lie.

The same Muhammad that asked you Muslims to do the opposite of what the Jews do is the one you’re claiming fasted like the Jews.

It’s obvious that the Hadith you presented is a fabricated one

advocatejare:

You’re the one telling lies and you are saying that your sahih Hadith is a lie.

The same Muhammad that asked you Muslims to do the opposite of what the Jews do is the one you’re claiming fasted like the Jews.

It’s obvious that the Hadith you presented is a fabricated one

Don't worry the liar is clear!

AntiChristian:


Don't worry the liar is clear!

Let me give you another proof from Sahih Bukhari that your Muhammad tasted like the pagan Quarysh that he came from

Sahih al-Bukhari 1893
Narrated `Aisha :
(The tribe of) Quraish used to fast on the day of Ashura' in the Pre-Islamic period, and then Allah's Apostle ordered (Muslims) to fast on it till the fasting in the month of Ramadan was prescribed; whereupon the Prophet (ﷺ) said, "He who wants to fast (on 'Ashura') may fast, and he who does not want to fast may not fast."


Like I’ve always told you, go and carry your frustrations to your hadith, no be me write them, no be me grade them as sahih

advocatejare:

Let me give you another proof from Sahih Bukhari that your Muhammad tasted like the pagan Quarysh that he came from

Sahih al-Bukhari 1893
Narrated `Aisha :
(The tribe of) Quraish used to fast on the day of Ashura' in the Pre-Islamic period, and then Allah's Apostle ordered (Muslims) to fast on it till the fasting in the month of Ramadan was prescribed; whereupon the Prophet (ﷺ) said, "He who wants to fast (on 'Ashura') may fast, and he who does not want to fast may not fast."


Like I’ve always told you, go and carry your frustrations to your hadith, no be me write them, no be me grade them as sahih

The Hadith i quoted has already explained your Hadith! Why are you still troubled?

It's already clear who the falsehood promoter in the name of Christianity is!
The Hadith i quoted has explained your Hadith so the Quraish in particular are Jews!

The curse on liars be on you!

AntiChristian:


The Hadith i quoted has already explained your Hadith! Why are you still gittery?

It's already clear who the falsehood promoter in the name of Christianity is!

The one jittery is the one that is rejecting a sahih hadith just because it exposed his prophet to be an idolater who followed the practice of his pagan tribe

advocatejare:

The one jittery is the one that is rejecting a sahih hadith just because it exposed his prophet to be an idolater who followed the practice of his pagan tribe

K

AntiChristian:


K

Continuation of Muhammad not knowing his fate:

Muhammad did not know his fate salvation in Islam
Sahih al-Bukhari 3929
Narrated 'Um Al-`Ala:
An Ansari woman who gave the pledge of allegiance to the Prophet (ﷺ) that the Ansar drew lots concerning the dwelling of the Emigrants. `Uthman bin Maz'un was decided to dwell with them (i.e. Um Al-`Ala's family), `Uthman fell ill and I nursed him till he died, and we covered him with his clothes. Then the Prophet (ﷺ) came to us and I (addressing the dead body) said, "O Abu As-Sa'ib, may Allah's Mercy be on you! I bear witness that Allah has honored you." On that the Prophet (ﷺ) said, "How do you know that Allah has honored him?" I replied, "I do not know. May my father and my mother be sacrificed for you, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! But who else is worthy of it (if not `Uthman)?" He said, "As to him, by Allah, death has overtaken him, and I hope the best for him. By Allah, though I am the Apostle of Allah, yet I do not know what Allah will do to me," By Allah, I will never assert the piety of anyone after him. That made me sad, and when I slept I saw in a dream a flowing stream for `Uthman bin Maz'un. I went to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and told him of it. He remarked, "That symbolizes his (good) deeds."