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Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by jaephoenix(m): 12:02am On Mar 24, 2023 |
Rosemaiden:Mrs Said it all Answer this question. Do you believe 1. I live in Mars and fly to Earth everyday for work? 2. Do you believe a black unicorns exist? |
Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by Ken4Christ: 12:32am On Mar 24, 2023 |
Eternity is real. The stories in the Bible are true. Please, give your life to Christ and avoid the burning hell. |
Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by Rosemaiden(f): 7:55am On Mar 24, 2023 |
jaephoenix:I don't have any experience related to the above, so I don't believe them. |
Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by TenQ: 10:13am On Mar 24, 2023 |
jaephoenix:Even though I don't feel responding to you, however you have used a terrible set of STRAWMAN questions. Why? These are ALL fictitious and known examples. How about this: 1. Can you unequivocally dismiss ALL UFO sightings and experiences as a Hoax? Note: -You've personally never seen a UFO -No government has shown us any clear pictures of a UFO Your answers should be YES or NO! 2. Can you unequivocally dismiss ALL NDE as Hoax? Note: -You've never experienced one -Recorded Experiences seem to be slightly different -some kind of OBE and NDE can be simulated with drugs Your answers should be YES or NO! This is closer to religion than your Unicorn and Mars STRAWMAN examples! You may after stating YES or NO justify your position. |
Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by jaephoenix(m): 10:15am On Mar 24, 2023 |
Ken4Christ:No they arent real. Scientifically and historically 1 Like |
Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by jaephoenix(m): 10:17am On Mar 24, 2023 |
Rosemaiden:Exactly. That's how atheism is. We have no experience or evidence of your god, or any god. So we dont believe they exist 1 Like |
Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by jaephoenix(m): 10:28am On Mar 24, 2023 |
TenQ:You have an uncanny knack of dodging questions. Just answer my questions and we'll extrapolate from there 1 Like |
Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by TenQ: 10:39am On Mar 24, 2023 |
jaephoenix:It is wisdom for you to set up a STRAWMAN and expect me to answer you!? Thanks for your time! |
Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by Rosemaiden(f): 11:14am On Mar 24, 2023 |
jaephoenix:Keep that to yourself. I have experience of what I believe. If you don't have experience, keep that to yourself. |
Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by jaephoenix(m): 2:01pm On Mar 24, 2023 |
TenQ:You don't even know what a strawman is. And to make matters worse, you throw a special pleading fallacy. I'm not employing a strawman because my question is a direct representation of the issue. The issue is about a disputed entity, and the question is a directly associated with distinct entities 1 Like |
Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by jaephoenix(m): 2:03pm On Mar 24, 2023 |
Rosemaiden:Do you know schizophrenic patients have 'experience' too? Same as patients on hallucinogenic drugs like LSD? So personal experiences aren't facts. |
Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by LordReed(m): 2:35pm On Mar 24, 2023 |
TenQ: I'll bite. No to both. |
Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by TenQ: 3:28pm On Mar 24, 2023 |
LordReed:Thanks. I am hoping you are truthful on this! If I get you right, you won't unequivocally dismiss the experiences of people who claimed they saw/interacted with UFOs or experienced NDE with/without OBE! 1. Why? 2. But you don't have ANY compelling EVIDENCES? Thanks |
Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by jaephoenix(m): 3:42pm On Mar 24, 2023 |
TenQ:The simple answer is they dont provide evidences, only hearsays. That's not data. |
Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by LordReed(m): 3:58pm On Mar 24, 2023 |
TenQ: Because the claims are often mundane. Someone saw something flying but they don't know what it is hence the Unidentified in the acronym. That's not very much information in determining anything significant about what the person saw. It could be any number of things. As for NDEs they are also somewhat mundane claims much like dreams they cannot be verified as having occurred nor is there any way to find out if they are linked to real occurances outside of what is in our reality. So I say OK somebody saw a UFO or had an NDE, now what? I don't need evidence to accept that someone had an experience they didn't understand. It's the attempt at understanding that requires evidence. |
Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by TenQ: 4:02pm On Mar 24, 2023 |
LordReed:In other words, even though you said "NO" to both questions, you actually mean "YES"! YES meaning that: You WOULD unequivocally dismiss the experiences of people who claimed they saw/interacted with UFOs or experienced NDE with/without OBE! Is this your final position? |
Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by LordReed(m): 4:04pm On Mar 24, 2023 |
TenQ: Reread what I wrote without your freaking blinkers on. |
Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by TenQ: 4:50pm On Mar 24, 2023 |
LordReed:Except if your write is meant to be deceitfully unclear. I asked you to clarify your position on what I could understand from your post. Otherwise, we don't have to continue with the conversation! It is either I got you wrong or I got you correctly! |
Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by Rosemaiden(f): 5:10pm On Mar 24, 2023 |
jaephoenix: Those patients you mentioned have dissimilar experiences. Spiritual experiences are general and universal among spiritual people. Dead people can't experience what living people experience. You must be spiritually alive to have a spiritual experience. That's the first step. |
Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by LordReed(m): 5:12pm On Mar 24, 2023 |
TenQ: No you concluded instead of asking me a question. You previously asked why I said no and I told you the claims are mundane. Then you jump to "You don't mean no, you mean yes!". My post was straightforward, claims of UFO sightings and NDEs are mundane, they do not usually contain sufficient information to make any further claim beyond accepting that a person had an experience. If you want to understand what the person experienced or make any further claims then you need more evidence. I am not sure where any of this is giving you trouble to understand. |
Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by TenQ: 6:06pm On Mar 24, 2023 |
LordReed:Let me quote my post and highlight my position. Here was my understanding of your post TenQ: And I asked you to clarify if my understanding was correct TenQ: So, it wasn't my conclusion if I had to ask you to clarify! Why your post is NOT straight forward! The questions were very specific. 1. Can you unequivocally dismiss ALL UFO sightings and experiences as a Hoax? 2. Can you unequivocally dismiss ALL NDE as Hoax? The word UNEQUIVOCAL is important, that is why your response should be either very YES or very NO! Your response after you said: I'll bite.Seems to suggest that you were NOT very NO in your response: Am I correct? |
Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by LordReed(m): 6:28pm On Mar 24, 2023 |
TenQ: So it was not you who asked: TenQ: |
Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by TenQ: 7:04pm On Mar 24, 2023 |
LordReed:1. If your answer was An UNEQUIVOCAL NO, Then a. Why did you choose this position b. Why take such position when But you don't have ANY compelling EVIDENCES? 2. If your answer was An UNEQUIVOCAL YES, Then a. Why did you choose this position b. Why take such position when you don't have ANY compelling EVIDENCES? It seem that Your response after the initial statement NO was not to strongly affirm it but to dilute or mabe even oppose your initial NO position! |
Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by Ken4Christ: 7:50pm On Mar 24, 2023 |
jaephoenix: There are overwhelming evidences of its reality. And most of the information contained were divinely revealed. Without the Bible, we would have all been lost as to how the world began. There was no way Moses who was not present during creation could have known how the earth was created. And how man fell from grace. The fulfillment of most of the prophecies contained therein are proofs of its divine origin. For example, Daniel interpreted the image that Nebuchadnezzar saw in his dream. And all the successive kingdoms happened just the way he foretold it. And there is one last kingdom of the world that is about to be unfold; The revived Roman Empire which will be a confederation of ten European countries. Daniel saw it and the book of Revelation gave more details about the kingdom. But it will only be unveiled after the rapture of the church. The anti Christ will only rule for 7 years. Out of the seven years reign, the last three and a half years will be used to persecute the Jews. His number is also revealed which is 666. Explaining all these will take a whole book. You are in the dark without the Bible. Besides, it has made my life supernatural. Being a true believer is a higher life. It's a better life and it's glorious life. Come and taste and see how good God is. Even sex that is driving people crazy was created by God. Can't you see that God wants us to enjoy life to the full. Under the old testament, honeymoon for new couples was for one year. And all the entitlement of the man must be paid for that one year. In other words, it is one year leave with full payment. Can't you see how good God is? Embrace this gospel and upgrade your life. Without Christ, you are lost and you are in the low level of life. |
Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by LordReed(m): 8:04pm On Mar 24, 2023 |
TenQ: You ask why and I tell you why and you interpret it as yes? LoLz. Ok. |
Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by TenQ: 8:41pm On Mar 24, 2023 |
The initial Questions TenQ: Your Initial Response LordReed: LordReed:You said NO! NO meaning that: If you had said YES! YES meaning that: You WOULD unequivocally dismiss the experiences of people who claimed they saw/interacted with UFOs or experienced NDE with/without OBE! Since your answer was a NO, then your response to WHY ..? Should give us REASONS why you WON'T unequivocally dismiss the experiences of people who claimed they saw/interacted with UFOs or experienced NDE with/without OBE! AND Explain Why you took such a position when But you don't have ANY compelling EVIDENCES? 1. Did you give me REASONS why you WON'T unequivocally dismiss the experiences of people who claimed they saw/interacted with UFOs or experienced NDE with/without OBE!? 2. Did you explain WHY you took the position THAT you WON'T unequivocally dismiss the experiences of people who claimed they saw/interacted with UFOs or experienced NDE with/without OBE when you don't have ANY compelling EVIDENCES? I believe this is now explicitly clear! |
Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by LordReed(m): 8:52pm On Mar 24, 2023 |
TenQ: I explained why and even simplified it so I dunno whatelse you want. You read what I said then declared that I wasn't saying no, that I was saying yes. Reread my posts giving the explanation, I am not going to repeat myself. |
Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by TenQ: 11:10pm On Mar 24, 2023 |
I have used exactly what you wrote: check! LordReed:Your response again broken down! Your Initial Response; NO! Implication: You WON'T unequivocally dismiss the experiences of people who claimed they saw/interacted with UFOs or experienced NDE with/without OBE! The Question of WHY? Should give us REASONS why you WON'T unequivocally dismiss the experiences of people who claimed they saw/interacted with UFOs or experienced NDE with/without OBE! Your WHY you WON'T Dismiss the Experience of People who saw UFO? LordReed: Your Summary on UFO: 1. You WON'T unequivocally dismiss the experiences of people who claimed they saw/interacted with UFOs because the claims are often mundane. .... 2. You WON'T unequivocally dismiss the experiences of people who claimed they saw/interacted with UFOs because there's Please check if this makes sense to you Your WHY you WON'T Dismiss the Experience of People who experienced NDE? LordReed: Your Summary on NDE: 1. NO, You WON'T unequivocally dismiss the experiences of people who claimed they had with NDE because they are also somewhat mundane claims 2. NO, You WON'T unequivocally dismiss the experiences of people who claimed they had with NDE because they cannot be verified as having occurred nor is there any way to find out if they are linked to real occurrences Can you check the logic of this as correct? Your general comments on both NDE and UFO LordReed: Your Summary on NDE and UFO: NO, I WON'T unequivocally dismiss the experiences of people who claimed they had with NDE now what's special with that if they had such experiences If you won't dismiss their experiences , doesn't it mean you respect the fact that their experiences may not be a hoax? The now what statement actually trivialises their experience therefore, you probably mean YES rather than a NO! Your conclusion: LordReed:1. It is understandable if you DON'T need evidence to accept that someone had an experience. However, If you didn't have the experience the SUBJECT had, how can you claim they don't understand what they've experienced? 2. Attempts to comprehend the Experience is in two parts a. The SUBJECT: Who has the Experience: it cannot be disproved that he doesn't understand his experience since his experience is SUBJECTIVE to him except he tells you he doesn't understand his experience 2. The SKEPTIC: Who did NOT have the experience CANNOT claim to understand anything since he never experienced the SUBJECTIVE experience UNLESS he somehow personally receives the same Subjective experience. 2. Since you don't even have this SUBJECT'S experience, how can you require Check Again! 1. Did you give me REASONS why you WON'T unequivocally dismiss the experiences of people who claimed they saw/interacted with UFOs or experienced NDE with/without OBE!? 2. Did you explain WHY you took the position THAT you WON'T unequivocally dismiss the experiences of people who claimed they saw/interacted with UFOs or experienced NDE with/without OBE when you don't have ANY compelling EVIDENCES? I believe this is now explicitly clear! |
Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by LordReed(m): 5:24am On Mar 25, 2023 |
TenQ: If they understood what they saw it would no longer be an UNIDENTIFIED Flying Object. An NDE is like a dream, it's occurring within a subjects mind and that subject cannot show us his mind to prove he had the experience so it is not hard to accept he had an experience since dreams and the like are pretty common place. If either of these people what to make any further claims or make me understand what they saw they need to provide evidence. Which of these statements is giving you trouble? 1 Like |
Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by TenQ: 7:26am On Mar 25, 2023 |
LordReed:You see how we came back to my initial deductions from your response to the questions THE ORIGINAL QUESTION AGAIN Can you unequivocally dismiss ALL UFO/NDE sightings and experiences as a Hoax? There are two possible answers a. YES, you WOULD dismiss ALL UFO/NDE sightings and experiences as a Hoax? OR b. NO, you WOULD NOT dismiss ALL UFO/NDE sightings and experiences as a Hoax? By your latest Response, you mean that 1. YES, You WOULD unequivocally dismiss the experiences of people who claimed they had with NDE because If they understood what they saw it would no longer be an UNIDENTIFIED Flying Object. Therefore their experience is a Hoax 2. YES, You WOULD unequivocally dismiss the experiences of people who claimed they had with NDE because An NDE is like a dream, it's occurring within a subjects mind and that subject cannot show us his mind to prove he had the experience so it is not hard to accept he had an experience since dreams and the like are pretty common place. Therefore their experience is a Hoax Except I don't understand the normal English usage of YES or NO in a sentence! You were wrong all along sir! Examples of Normal use of English usage YES or NO a. Yes, I will..... b. No, I wouldn't..... And not a. No, I will.... b. Yes, I wouldn't.... |
Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by LordReed(m): 7:33am On Mar 25, 2023 |
TenQ: Apparently you don't understand English period. I asked you specifically what part of those 3 statements was giving you trouble understanding but instead of answering the simple question you go on this weird BS you've being on since the beginning of this conversation. How the freak is NO tripping you up like this? How in Andromeda is UNIDENTIFIED unable to be understood by you? |
Re: Charred Remains Of Sodom And Gomorrah Discovered (videos & Photos) by TenQ: 7:46am On Mar 25, 2023 |
The speed at which you responded showed that you didn't even read my post before responding because I edited it almost immediately to include examples of Normal usage of YES or NO in English language. LordReed: LOL! This is the second time this is happening between us and as such I am beginning to believe that 1. Your stance is a deliberate effort to lead this conversation to a messed up logic situation 2. Your comprehension or use of normal English language is abysmally low You were wrong all along sir! Examples of Normal use of English usage YES or NO a. Yes, I will..... b. No, I wouldn't..... And not a. No, I will.... b. Yes, I wouldn't.... |
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