Rosemaiden:

Lol

TenQ:

1. Mohammed didn't invent the Month called Ramadan it predated Islam. Mohammed received his first Qur'an in the month of Ramadan.
2. The issue was never about Fasting or not Fasting. The Isrealites have been Fasting since the time of Moses.

3. The issue was having so much similarities between the Sabians and Islam

You might want to have a read of the Sabian belief system and see how much similarity there exist between it and Islam
There is fasting in the Sabian belief system. It lasts for 30 days. This period is tied to the movement of the Moon. Their rule was 'see the moon and start fasting, see the moon and start rejoicing.' (Islam adopted the period of fasting, and the rule of 'fasting-rejoicing' exactly).

https://spentamainyu.tripod.com/sabian2.htm

Here is another

The Sabeans in Iraq used to fast thirty days each year, starting with sighting of the crescent and ending it with its sighting again a month later. At that time, Eid al-Fitr began for them. Like them, the grand-father of Prophet Mohammed, Abdul Muttalib and other prominent Arabs used in Ramadan, a special month for them, to make sure they fasted.
https://thearabweekly.com/electronic-fast


Thank you sir

Kobojunkie:
In scripture, it is explained that it wasn't that Jesus Christ intended to fast when He entered into the wilderness, led by the Spirit of God. It wasn't the case that food was available but He chose not to eat it. Instead, He was lead by the Spirit into the desert where there was no food to eat and He fasted for 40 days as a result of His being there that long.

Scripture never states Jesus Christ planned and fasted for those 40 days. what is instead written is that He was led away by the Spirit of God and ended up fasting for 40 days and 40 nights in pretty much similar manner as Moses and Elisha, before Him, were - Exodus 34 vs 28 & 1 Kings 19 vs 7 - 14.

As for the Israelites fasting when God never commanded such, Read Isaiah 58 and Zechariah 7 to find God's response to them.

Lukuluku69:
■ Mummy e don do. E never planned to observe fasting but because there is no food, he decided to Fast abi?But Jesus can make food appear nah? Can't he? When there was no food, he could have make one appear so that he can eat?
■ Whether you guys think before you type sometimes, na only you fit answer am.

Kobojunkie:
1. According to the story, it was after the encounter in the wilderness that Jesus Christ then went around preaching and doing miracles--- after the Spirit of God showed up, not before. So, are you trying to say that , contrary to what is in fact recorded, Jesus Christ may have been doing miracles even before He started in fact His preaching regarding the Kingdom of God?

2. I think you should probably do the same as well.

Lukuluku69:


Confused One, where did you read me saying The Prophet invented the month of Ramadan or he was the first to use the word Ramadan?

If the issues is never a out Fasting, then why are you all over the place about it in the first instance? The Quran says people/nation before you fasted, so you Muslims, it is enjoined on you? Why should that be an issue/s to you lots?

Oh the Sabeans fasted too? That's good. Dig further, the Zoroastrian Persians fasted too, you remember the Magis that came to Jesus crib? They fasted too. So, as you can see, the Israelites, the reprobates fasted too! Does this not lend credence to what the Quran says the fasting was done by previous people? And now prescribed for the Muslims?

TenQ:
You didn't read about the similarities between Islam and the religion of the Sabians?
Here is another opportunity!


You don't need to hate me that bad.

Did you read this?

The Sabeans in Iraq used to fast thirty days each year, starting with sighting of the crescent and ending it with its sighting again a month later. At that time, Eid al-Fitr began for them. Like them, the grand-father of Prophet Mohammed, Abdul Muttalib and other prominent Arabs used in Ramadan, a special month for them, to make sure they fasted.
https://thearabweekly.com/electronic-fast



You might want to have a read of the Sabian belief system and see how much similarity there exist between it and Islam
There is fasting in the Sabian belief system. It lasts for 30 days. This period is tied to the movement of the Moon. Their rule was 'see the moon and start fasting, see the moon and start rejoicing.' (Islam adopted the period of fasting, and the rule of 'fasting-rejoicing' exactly).

https://spentamainyu.tripod.com/sabian2.htm

Lukuluku69:
The Quran clearly states that Fasting was the way of previous people.
Clearly you saw it the Sabeans, the Jews, the Persians yet you are still raising issues.

Kobojunkie:
Again, YHWH did not approve of the Jews fasting according to their whims while pretending it was in honor of Him ---Isaiah 58 & Zechariah 7.

Lukuluku69:
Yet YHWH did not approve.

Kobojunkie:
The only fast of the starvation kind He ever approved of was the day of Atonement fasting which is documented in the Law as a day in which the entire nation all fasted for the purging away of the sin of the nation. Outside of that one day a year, starvation-diet fasts are meaningless to God.

Lukuluku69:
■But you said he never approved any in your previous post nah. Una go talk true las las So, Fasting purges sin? Hmmmmm

Kobojunkie:
1. None of those men went in to God's presence in the wilderness with a premade plan to fast while there.

2. As a matter of fact, apart from the 1-day fasting instituted in the Old Law on the 10th day of the 10th month, this was for the entire Nation of Israel in the Land of Canaan to be absolved of all their sins God. YHWH never commanded any other fasts in the Law of Moses.

Christians who engage in Lent for instance instead engage in Pagan rituals as Jesus Christ never commanded any of His followers to engage in such starvation-diet fasts in His name. The kind of fasting in fact commanded by God is instead documented in Isaiah 58 and Zechariah 7

Kobojunkie:
Reread... So, when you say Moses, Elijah, and Jesus fasted(starvation-diet fasting), those were not commanded of them by God and hence it is not for any man to try to emulate.

Now, the Jews went on fasting anyways prompting God to issue the edicts recorded in Isaiah 58 and Zechariah 7 in which He made clear that He is only interested in them doing good works and not in their starving of themselves of food pretending He is honored by such vain worship.

Lukuluku69:
https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/bible-verses-about-fasting/

Kobojunkie:
God only commanded a one-day starvation-diet fast in His Old Law of Moses. That there are verses indicating people fasting does not change this fact of God's Law.

As for followers of Jesus Christ, not once did Jesus Christ commands His followers to starve themselves of food using His name. Why? Because God already made clear to all that He is not interested in such vain rituals.

Lukuluku69:
■ Good. From Yahweh does not approve to commanding a One Day starvation diet. That is progress.

https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/bible-verses-about-fasting/

Kobojunkie:
1. My comment emphasizing the day of atonement as the only day ordered by God was made clear on page 1 of this very thread. Leviticus 23 vs 26 - 28 & Numbers 29 vs 7 - 11. 40-day starvation-diet fasting, which you the pretend Muslims emulate, has nothing to do with God.

Lukuluku69:
https://www.thenivbible.com/blog/10-biblical-purposes-fasting/

Kobojunkie:
Again... 40-day starvation-diet fasting, which you the pretend Muslims emulate, has nothing to do with that which God in fact commanded. Read Leviticus 23 vs 26 - 28 & Numbers 29 vs 7 - 11 to learn of the only purposes for which God gave the day-of-atonement fasting to His people. All other purposes are not of God and are as such meaningless.

Lukuluku69:
■ Mummy, but Moses and Jesus once went 40 days on this same starvation as we read in the Bible?
■ So, it was all in vain and meaningless shebi?

Lukuluku69:



Is that the only similarities or there are more you can point out to me? And talking about similarities in practices in Religion generally, before you point fingers why not sit down and really learn about every Faith that preceded or lived around the same time with the Abrahamic Faith and edify yourself?

The Quran clearly states that Fasting was the way of previous people.

Clearly you saw it the Sabeans, the Jews, the Persians yet you are still raising issues.

Kobojunkie:
1. Again, God is God of Law and His mandate is obedience of His Law. So where He has not commanded a thing, it is in vain that people emulate such ideas. Moses we are told ended up fasting as a result of being in the presence of God, same with Elijah and then Jesus Christ. That in no way means God commanded such, nor does it mean that by doing so one somehow honors God. There is no obedience in such ritual hence God is not by it.

2. The gain for those men wasn't obtained from their having fasting during that time with God in the wilderness, but from their being in the presence of God. So focusing on the fasting makes no sense. So, yes, the fasting was the meaningless aspect of their ordeal.

If God had opted to feed all 3 men throughout the 40-days out there with Him, they would have gained nothing less from Him than what they did when they ate nothing. So again, the fasting is not where the meaning of their experience is to be found.

Lukuluku69:
■ Mummy leave long stories. Jesus, Moses, Daniel, Zacharias and many Israelites fasted. They are the one you lots God communicated with.
■ But you , centuries apart and in Africa is saying absolute hogwash. Continue o

Lukuluku69:


Confused One, where did you read me saying The Prophet invented the month of Ramadan or he was the first to use the word Ramadan?

If the issues is never a out Fasting, then why are you all over the place about it in the first instance? The Quran says people/nation before you fasted, so you Muslims, it is enjoined on you? Why should that be an issue/s to you lots?

Oh the Sabeans fasted too? That's good. Dig further, the Zoroastrian Persians fasted too, you remember the Magis that came to Jesus crib? They fasted too. So, as you can see, the Israelites, the reprobates fasted too! Does this not lend credence to what the Quran says the fasting was done by previous people? And now prescribed for the Muslims?

advocatejare:

Where the God command Israelites to fast yearly fast like you pagans fast yearly Ramadan fasting?

Kobojunkie:
1. Daniel for example never said he fasted choice foods in order to honor God or in order that God would hear his prayers. The story goes that Daniel was depressed and we know depression causes loss of appetite. It is same with David and most all of the prophets in scripture. They were written to have fasted at a time when something bad had happened to cause them to not care much for food. The conclusion drawn, however, by religious zealots that there therefore must exist some sort of link between the unsolicited fasting and God's response to the prayers of those men is not of scripture but of the minds of men. This God Himself made clear in Isaiah 58 and Zechariah 7. So this is a case of whether you want to believe men or you chose to believe God instead.

2. It is absolute hogwash to you because you need your religious rituals to make sense whether it agrees with what God in fact said or nor.

Lukuluku69:


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasting_in_religion

advocatejare:

That is the personality billions of people are following blindly and referring to as the best of mankind!
It’s pathetic

Lukuluku69:
■ Mummy when you are done foaming in the mouth, read the link below!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasting_in_religion

Rosemaiden:

That's really pathetic.

Kobojunkie:
1. Religion of men is meaningless as that which was spoken by God is what is Truth. Feel free to hang on to the Religion of men if that is what makes you feel better about your rituals.